Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

[quote=That Guy;1138431]sadness for our cap. the problem is this year felt like the only time he was healthy and i think he still missed games. once he gets paid does he revert to the guy that refuses to play with a stubbed toe?

I do like him, and i'd err on the side of paying him, but his injury history is still a concern.[/quote]

I think you pay him, with some injury protection clauses. Again, I really trust our FO to get contracts that aren't high risk, but still let players know they are "wanted" as KC puts it.

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[quote=MTK;1138440]Good luck getting either to take a cut. Both are earning what they would on the open market. We'll probably ride with them again this year and part ways the next.[/quote]
Right, and we have young guys who should be stepping into the roles, although DJax is still a special talent.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1138442]Right, and we have young guys who should be stepping into the roles, although DJax is still a special talent.[/quote]

For depth other than Crowder (hes basically a #3 anyways) I dont see anyone worth talking about.
I would not be opposed to taking a WR in the 2nd or third.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1138444]For depth other than Crowder (hes basically a #3 anyways) I dont see anyone worth talking about.
I would not be opposed to taking a WR in the 2nd or third.[/quote]

I think Ross has some potential, and Crowder with time could easily move up.

We need that #1 type threat eventually but I think that's next year's draft. We have good talent and depth on roster this year, need to build the lines and back end of the defense.

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For this up coming season I would keep both Jackson and Garcon. Use the draft to fill the holes we have instead of creating more.

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If you keep both, what do you do if you want to resign Reed? I think keeping both would keep us from doing a deal with Reed after next season. I'd love to keep both if it means restructuring their deals, but otherwise, I think we'll have to let one go. After seeing what Jackson did for our offense, I'd lean towards him. Garcon just always seemed to come up in the clutch and I love just how angry he is. I'm fine with dipping a toe into FA, but we'd have to be DAMN sure our draft works out (and for the first time in a long time, I'm 100% confident it will).

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1138445]I think Ross has some potential, and Crowder with time could easily move up.

We need that #1 type threat eventually but I think that's next year's draft. We have good talent and depth on roster this year, need to build the lines and back end of the defense.[/quote]

With how deep the WR classes have been in the last 2 years, don't be surprised if thst guy is picked in the 2nd or 3rd round. A Tyler Boyd for example.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1138441]I think you pay him, with some injury protection clauses. Again, I really trust our FO to get contracts that aren't high risk, but still let players know they are "wanted" as KC puts it.[/QUOTE]


Agreed.

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Have to keep DJax. He changes the field dynamics when he is out there. Dumbest move Kelly did in Philly was letting him go. We shouldn't repeat the mistake.

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[quote=FRPLG;1138480]Have to keep DJax. He changes the field dynamics when he is out there. Dumbest move Kelly did in Philly was letting him go. We shouldn't repeat the mistake.[/quote]

Yup, DJax is an absolute must keep. Garcon, while having a really solid year, is an easier guy to replace when it comes to skill set. Crowder is penciled in as a great slot guy.

Roberts is out the door.

Grant and Ross...Grant hasn't developed and is slow, BYE. Ross contributes on special teams and can run past people...Hey stays and continues to grow.

IMO we should draft a WR to take Grant spot.

OR we could cut Garcon and sign a Free Agent like a Marvin Jones. As well draft that WR.

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I may buy......2 SM jersey's

[url=http://www.redskins.com/news-and-events/article-1/5-Takeaways-Jan-27-Scot-McCloughan-Presser/dd08755b-61aa-4c15-b454-5eb78d59061f]5 Takeaways: Jan. 27 Scot McCloughan Presser[/url]

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They will keep both DJAX and Garcon. When you don't dab in free agency and go after high targets. You can afford to pay your own and honor contracts

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[quote=Bucket;1138567]They will keep both DJAX and Garcon. When you don't dab in free agency and go after high targets. You can afford to pay your own and honor contracts[/quote]

I agree, I think they are heavily leaning this way. Roberts is gone, for a little cap savings. I don't think they want to mess with WR this offseason, unless they really have to. Crowder & Ross should be a bit better anyways.

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[quote=Evilgrin;1138571]I agree, I think they are heavily leaning this way. Roberts is gone, for a little cap savings. I don't think they want to mess with WR this offseason, unless they really have to. Crowder & Ross should be a bit better anyways.[/quote]

While Im not against bringing back Garcon and DJax, both were good last year, with Roberts gone(no question he is gone) and Ryan Grant spot not guaranteed...I think we could easily see 2 new WR on the roster.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14670101/playoff-teams-lose-players-every-offseason-guys-next-nfl]Playoff teams lose players every offseason and these guys could be next - NFL[/url]

And there's the fascinating case of Kam Chancellor, who manages to check all kinds of boxes. You can make a case that Chancellor is underpaid given his track record, and you also can argue that the Chancellor who was targeted and torched in pass coverage by teams such as the Bengals and Vikings during the fourth quarter of Seahawks games last year is significantly overvalued. At $6.1 million, Chancellor doesn't have an enormous cap hit, but he also wants a new deal. A trade might make the most sense for all parties, which would create $4.1 million in cap space for the Seahawks and break up the Legion of Boom for good.


Would McC bring Kam? Safety is a major need, I think it would be awesome if Kam was released, I could see us being players for him.

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I liked him before he made the change to WR but Braxton Miller just seems like a Randall Cobb/Golden Tate hybrid, I would love him on the Redskins.

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

[quote=Chico23231;1138579][url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14670101/playoff-teams-lose-players-every-offseason-guys-next-nfl]Playoff teams lose players every offseason and these guys could be next - NFL[/url]

And there's the fascinating case of Kam Chancellor, who manages to check all kinds of boxes. You can make a case that Chancellor is underpaid given his track record, and you also can argue that the Chancellor who was targeted and torched in pass coverage by teams such as the Bengals and Vikings during the fourth quarter of Seahawks games last year is significantly overvalued. At $6.1 million, Chancellor doesn't have an enormous cap hit, but he also wants a new deal. A trade might make the most sense for all parties, which would create $4.1 million in cap space for the Seahawks and break up the Legion of Boom for good.


Would McC bring Kam? Safety is a major need, I think it would be awesome if Kam was released, I could see us being players for him.[/quote]

If he was released and it was a good deal sure, difference is he NEEDS that coverage ace FS to pair with him in order to avoid those coverage issues, might be better to draft someone like a Jayron Kearse out of Clemson. (6'5" 220lbs) so similar size to Kam and better in coverage

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[quote=Chico23231;1138579][url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14670101/playoff-teams-lose-players-every-offseason-guys-next-nfl]Playoff teams lose players every offseason and these guys could be next - NFL[/url]

And there's the fascinating case of Kam Chancellor, who manages to check all kinds of boxes. You can make a case that Chancellor is underpaid given his track record, and you also can argue that the Chancellor who was targeted and torched in pass coverage by teams such as the Bengals and Vikings during the fourth quarter of Seahawks games last year is significantly overvalued. At $6.1 million, Chancellor doesn't have an enormous cap hit, but he also wants a new deal. A trade might make the most sense for all parties, which would create $4.1 million in cap space for the Seahawks and break up the Legion of Boom for good.


Would McC bring Kam? Safety is a major need, I think it would be awesome if Kam was released, I could see us being players for him.[/quote]

no thanks, he is to expensive

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Position changes?
This is interesting stuff.

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/23387/spencer-long-trent-murphy-might-help-redskins-by-switching-positions]Spencer Long, Trent Murphy might help Redskins by switching positions - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url]

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I would also say no to Chancellor. Just don't think it's good business to pay a safety 6-7 million dollars a year. With the rules the way they are safety play is not as important as it use to be, at least that's what I think. I'd prefer to have a safety that can cover first, over a intimidating big hitter like Chancellor.

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They will be paying Goldson more, think he will earn 8 million this coming season.

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I fully expect Goldson to stay.

I fully expect Goldson's contract to look significantly different than it does currently.


Also, as to Kam, would rather create a Legion of Doom through the draft than try to recreate a retread Legion of Boom. (So "No")

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I like Dash, but paying him north of 7.5 seems like a lot.

Kiem-
I could see the Long switch, I fully expect Callahan to try him and Arie at Center this offseason.

I don't think Murph is stout enough to play DE in a 34 scheme; I could see him as an ILB before a DE

Re: Better days ahead. (Off season part 1 thread)
 

[quote=30gut;1138655]I like Dash, but paying him north of 7.5 seems like a lot.

Kiem-
I could see the Long switch, I fully expect Callahan to try him and Arie at Center this offseason.

I don't think Murph is stout enough to play DE in a 34 scheme; I could see him as an ILB before a DE[/quote]

Murphy needs to gain 30lbs, he has the room to put on the weight at 6'6".

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1138643]Position changes?
This is interesting stuff.

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/23387/spencer-long-trent-murphy-might-help-redskins-by-switching-positions]Spencer Long, Trent Murphy might help Redskins by switching positions - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url][/quote]

I think Trent Murphy and Spencer Long moves would be great idea. Trent isn't a great fit at olb, I think he can be more effective on the line if he can put on more weight and get back to playing with leverage.

Long to center would be ideal, but not exactly an easy switch.


And for goldson at free safety, he won't be playing for the skins at a 7.5 or 8 million cap number. Fully expect a number half that. look, I much rather give kam goldson's 8 million.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1138651]I fully expect Goldson to stay.

I fully expect Goldson's contract to look significantly different than it does currently.


Also, as to Kam, would rather create a Legion of Doom through the draft than try to recreate a retread Legion of Boom. (So "No")[/quote]

Goldson's contract will look significantly different... it will not be with the Redskins. He was the 60th ranked safety out of 60 . The Redskins can do much better for half as much money

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[quote=Irrefutable;1138660]Goldson's contract will look significantly different... it will not be with the Redskins. He was the 60th ranked safety out of 60 . The Redskins can do much better for half as much money[/quote]

Damn homie you've been on the board for 2 seasons now, you should know better. If you're going to make outrageous claims you gotta back them up. What credible source is saying this?

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My issue with Goldson last year was the missed tackles when having come up in run support and short passes. I thought it got worse as the season went on, even before the injury.

I think in coverage he was ok, certainly not terrible.

He's an average safety who makes a difference more in the locker room and communicating in the secondary. He's getting guys lined up and at the right depths. This is stuff that not "grade-able" but extremely valuable.

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Let the signings begin. I remember the name but didn't realize how ineffective he has been during his career.

[url=http://was.247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Redskins-sign-veteran-defensive-end-43370715]Report: Redskins sign veteran defensive end[/url]

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[quote=mooby;1138670]Damn homie you've been on the board for 2 seasons now, you should know better. If you're going to make outrageous claims you gotta back them up. What credible source is saying this?[/quote]

it is an irrefutable fact, per Pro Football focus

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Goldson will stay. Scot wants to build through the draft and DG was probably just a stop gap guy for a couple years anyway.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1138675]it is an [B]irrefutable fact, per Pro Football focus[/B][/quote]

I ain't touchin that.

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The Washington Post considers the Redskins "lukewarm" on free agent ILB Keenan Robinson.

Robinson has made 21 starts over the past two seasons, but is a poor tackler who graded out as one of the worst players in the league in Pro Football Focus' ratings. If Robinson is back with the Redskins, it will probably be on a one-year deal after free agency has already started.

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[quote=mooby;1138686]I ain't touchin that.[/quote]

Please don't.

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Reggie Ragland could fix all our ILB problems.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1138698]Reggie Ragland could fix all our ILB problems.[/quote]

unlikely he is available at #21....the best player available at a position of need could be almost any position

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[quote=metalskins;1138682]Goldson will stay. Scot wants to build through the draft and DG was probably just a stop gap guy for a couple years anyway.[/quote]

well, if he stays, I hope they drop the cap number.

DG is an inspirational leader, but, we still had too many breakdowns in the secondary and he had his fair share.

I really feel we could have the same number of coverage issues for less money and gain some speed and maybe some upside.

But, as many have said... Scott knows best, so I'll go with he feels is best.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1138699]unlikely he is available at #21....the best player available at a position of need could be almost any position[/quote]

Was that on Pro Football Focus too????

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1138698]Reggie Ragland could fix all our ILB problems.[/quote]

Yes, he could!

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Mock drafts have him all over the first round, he's a good player. I'm guessing he goes before we pick though, not that the skins are even targetting him.