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[quote=Irrefutable;1140906]true, the draft is deep with D lineman. However, if a great one is available, take him. I think there is a good chance they trade back in the first round and add a pick or two.

Also, are you assuming Culliver is done (going to be cut). If not, they have two good CBs.[/quote]

Cullivers health at the start of training camp is unknown.
He has no guaranteed money coming so cutting him wont foxxor our cap situation too bad. (If I'm reading all that jargon properly)
Either way, we can do better at corner.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1140909]Cullivers health at the start of training camp is unknown.
He has no guaranteed money coming so cutting him wont foxxor our cap situation too bad. (If I'm reading all that jargon properly)
Either way, we can do better at corner.[/quote]

Also, Jarrett who has floated around as CB/S in the secondary is a real concern. Keim said today he wasn't looking good at the Va Tech pro day where we were scouting.

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[quote=hutch17;1140907]Exactly what I meant, it felt like the coaches were alluding to him getting bigger and moving inside last year. He could easily put on weight and would be a force inside. That would allow us to take a safety or CB in the draft (come on Karl Joseph) instead of feeling stuck with taking one of the interior DLine players[/quote]

we still need a NT. murphy would be a DE. he's not a great pass rusher, so being a 3-4 olb is kind of a bad fit for him. I'd go NT over CB any day if the talent level is equal, just because of how important it is to our scheme. with the draft being deep it also means that the guy we can get at #21 might have been a top 10-15 pick in a normal year.

anyways, #1 NT > #3-4 cb. if we're cutting culliver, then cb would be as important.

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Good news on Gallete.

But on another note...LeRibeus is back? Seriously???
he was thrown around like a rag doll last year.

Center was the weakest link on Offense last year....I hope they keep looking to improve this position in the draft.

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What's Ziggy Hoods role on this D? DE or NT?

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I doubt LeRib was given anything more than the minimum. He'll be on the roster bubble.

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Love that Gallette is coming back.

Can't see Murphy as a 34 DE, having deja vu w/ this discussion, IF he were to move seems closer to an ILB then a 34 DE

Don't agree that Murphy even has to move to get Junior on the field tho
I can't recall whether or June is actually good against the run or not, but ultimately I don't really care because he's here to rush the passer.
In that regard Murphy can still play run downs/rotate w/ Preston or whatever but on pass rush down which ~65-70% of the time:

June-Preston-Reyes-Kerrigan

on base downs:

Preston/Murph-Ricky-Bake-Paea-Kerrigan/Preston

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Surprised at the money that Bruton received,

Like his skillset/measurable (4.46 @ combine) and like his special teams background
Typically speaking you expect a special teams standout to be a tough guy and solid tackler

with that being said, I wouldn't just pencil him in as a starter just yet
Duke is the most experienced and proven S on the roster his problem with us this far has been injury
Really like the idea of giving Hall a real chance at FS, I think he could make the transition very well
Jarrett seems like a natural

Bruton is going to have to earn his way onto the field and I'm sure he'll be given every chance to win the job because of the signin and money

But like w/ Jeron Johnson last year, I don't think he'll be handed the job

A positive 2nd order effect of Bruton winning a S spot is the ability to keep Hall at CB and help in the lower secondary opposite Breeland IF Cully is still recovering/ineffective OR Hall can join Jarrett and specialize as a NB/slot safety

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[quote=30gut;1140934]Surprised at the money that Bruton received,

Like his skillset/measurable (4.46 @ combine) and like his special teams background
Typically speaking you expect a special teams standout to be a tough guy and solid tackler

with that being said, I wouldn't just pencil him in as a starter just yet
Duke is the most experienced and proven S on the roster his problem with us this far has been injury
Really like the idea of giving Hall a real chance at FS, I think he could make the transition very well
Jarrett seems like a natural

Bruton is going to have to earn his way onto the field and I'm sure he'll be given every chance to win the job because of the signin and money

But like w/ Jeron Johnson last year, I don't think he'll be handed the job

A positive 2nd order effect of Bruton winning a S spot is the ability to keep Hall at CB and help in the lower secondary opposite Breeland IF Cully is still recovering/ineffective OR Hall can join Jarrett and specialize as a NB/slot safety[/quote]

actually Bruton is much more experienced player, Duke has only played 21 games in four years. [url=http://www.nfl.com/player/davidbruton/79545/profile]David Bruton, SS for the Denver Broncos at NFL.com[/url]

[url=http://www.nfl.com/player/dukeihenacho/2532868/profile]Duke Ihenacho, SS for the Washington Redskins at NFL.com[/url]

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DE Alan branch signed a 1 year deal with embarressment known as the Miami Dolphins. He was our second visit.

Like to see us get a little serious with Reggie Nelson FS.

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Quick question on Bruton did he and ihenacho play together on the broncos? Wondering if Nacho talked Bruton into coming here.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1140935]actually Bruton is much more experienced player, Duke has only played 21 games in four years....
[/quote]That's why I said Duke is the more experienced and proven Safety not player but Safety.

Duke was a starting S, something Bruton has never been.
Bruton was in Denver before Duke but Duke surpassed him on the depth chart and started ahead of him.
Despite missing the better part of the past 2 seasons due to injury Duke has 15 starts in 4 years compared to Brutons 8 starts sprinkled over 7 years.

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[quote=30gut;1140940]That's why I said Duke is the more experienced and proven Safety not player but Safety.

Duke was a starting S, something Bruton has never been.
Bruton was in Denver before Duke but Duke surpassed him on the depth chart and started ahead of him.
Despite missing the better part of the past 2 seasons due to injury Duke has 15 starts in 4 years compared to Brutons 8 starts sprinkled over 7 years.[/quote]

Duke I 78 tackles 6 PD 0 Interceptions

David Bruton 131 tackles 16 PD 3 Interceptions

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[quote=Irrefutable;1140942]Duke I 78 tackles 6 PD 0 Interceptions

David Bruton 131 tackles 16 PD 3 Interceptions[/quote]

Nice. Those numbers are.. irrefutable.


Although.. Reports of Duke during last preseason were overwhelmingly positive. Despite the numbers above, I wouldn't be surprised if Duke competes. Still wouldn't mind bringing in youth/draft pick to compete with these two.

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I wouldn't mind drafting another OLB even with Gallette back. I'd be happy with a guy like Floyd from Georgia. Any player on the defensive side would be alright by me. Or Laquon Treadwell if he is available.

How about going after Karlos Dansby now that he's available? Might be a little rich for our blood and a bit older than a normal Scott signing. He is solid though.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1140944]I wouldn't mind drafting another OLB even with Gallette back. I'd be happy with a guy like Floyd from Georgia. Any player on the defensive side would be alright by me. Or Laquon Treadwell if he is available.

How about going after Karlos Dansby now that he's available? Might be a little rich for our blood and a bit older than a normal Scott signing. He is solid though.[/quote]

he's 33 and he's looking for a lot more than vet minimum. someone will grab him, and he probably does have 2 years left, but i doubt we're the destination. never say never i guess, but it's pretty doubtful.


as for duke's preseason reports... everyone is always great in the preseason (if they aren't abjectly terrible), cause they aren't actually tackling or playing real football. it's like, puff piece central. there are definitely noteworthy things/items that happen, but there's soo much happy noise that i wouldn't rely on those reports too heavily.

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[QUOTE=Irrefutable;1140942]Duke I 78 tackles 6 PD 0 Interceptions

David Bruton 131 tackles 16 PD 3 Interceptions[/QUOTE]
You must have a different opinion of what experienced and proven starter means.

But to each their own. Bruton may be coming to start based on money, and I like his measureables.

But I don't see any other way to refer to his career as a journeyman spot starter. Duke started AHEAD of the Bruton when they were on the SAME team. Comparing their counting stats obviously isnt an apples to apples comp considering Duke has accumulated virtually 0 stats the past 2 years due to injury.

At the end of the day, despite being in the league less (and missing ~2 seasons to injury) Duke has more starts then Bruton.

Either way I like forward to watching Bruton on the field, he no doubt adds to the secondary.



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[QUOTE=ethat001;1140943].... Still wouldn't mind bringing in youth/draft pick to compete with these two.[/QUOTE]That's always a good idea in my book.


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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1140944]I wouldn't mind drafting another OLB even with Gallette back. I'd be happy with a guy like Floyd from Georgia. Any player on the defensive side would be alright by me. Or Laquon Treadwell if he is available.

How about going after Karlos Dansby[/QUOTE]Wouldn't want Dansby, although I think he would instantly be the best ILB on the roster.

Agree about drafting an Edge rusher. I would love to draft Emmanuel Ogbah at lick 21. One position that I'm always in favor of drafting is pass rush. Any time, any round pass rush, pass rush, pass rush.

I wouldnt be against a WR but i have Treadwell as my 5th WR.

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Are we done in FA?

I think there are still some players out there who could help us.

What about adding a CB?

Brandon Boykin CB, 28, PIT - Very good vs. slot receivers.
Patrick Robinson CB, 25, SD - Worth a look.

A Free Safety?

Reggie Nelson FS, 32, CIN - True CF. Eight INT last season.

A RB?

Ronnie Hillman RB, 24, DEN - Versatile and effective.

A WR?

Rueben Randle, WR, 24, NYG - Big and talented but a head case.

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We are absolutely not done. We'll be making occasional moves between now and week 17.

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[quote=30gut;1140949]You must have a different opinion of what experienced and proven starter means.

But to each their own. Bruton may be coming to start based on money, and I like his measureables.

But I don't see any other way to refer to his career as a journeyman spot starter. Duke started AHEAD of the Bruton when they were on the SAME team. Comparing their counting stats obviously isnt an apples to apples comp considering Duke has accumulated virtually 0 stats the past 2 years due to injury.

At the end of the day, despite being in the league less (and missing ~2 seasons to injury) Duke has more starts then Bruton.

Either way I like forward to watching Bruton on the field, he no doubt adds to the secondary.



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Agreed, he should not be counted on as a starting safety solution. He's big and a sure tackler which fits the McCloughan mold, but Jarrett when healthy will push for this role, as will Nacho.

I think Hall is the lock at FS and will be great at it.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1140953]Are we done in FA?

I think there are still some players out there who could help us.

What about adding a CB?

Brandon Boykin CB, 28, PIT - Very good vs. slot receivers.
Patrick Robinson CB, 25, SD - Worth a look.

A Free Safety?

Reggie Nelson FS, 32, CIN - True CF. Eight INT last season.

A RB?

Ronnie Hillman RB, 24, DEN - Versatile and effective.

A WR?

Rueben Randle, WR, 24, NYG - Big and talented but a head case.[/quote]


good list, they have $16.2 million in cap space now, with more cuts probable

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[quote=Schneed10;1140956]Agreed, he should not be counted on as a starting safety solution. He's big and a sure tackler which fits the McCloughan mold, but Jarrett when healthy will push for this role, as will Nacho.

I think Hall is the lock at FS and will be great at it.[/quote]

Bruton may not start but he'll make the team because he is outstanding on Special Teams. That was probably a key reason why they decided to sign him.

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[quote=30gut;1140951]Wouldn't want Dansby, although I think he would instantly be the best ILB on the roster.

Agree about drafting an Edge rusher. I would love to draft Emmanuel Ogbah at lick 21. One position that I'm always in favor of drafting is pass rush. Any time, any round pass rush, pass rush, pass rush.

I wouldnt be against a WR but i have Treadwell as my 5th WR.

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There are other receivers that people could put near/above him. But I love his size. We haven't had a true playable big receiver in a long time. We could use him a bit differently than all our other guys.

Pass rushers are like pitchers, can't have too many good ones.

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[quote=That Guy;1140948]he's 33 and he's looking for a lot more than vet minimum. someone will grab him, and he probably does have 2 years left, but i doubt we're the destination. never say never i guess, but it's pretty doubtful.


as for duke's preseason reports... everyone is always great in the preseason (if they aren't abjectly terrible), cause they aren't actually tackling or playing real football. it's like, puff piece central. there are definitely noteworthy things/items that happen, but there's soo much happy noise that i wouldn't rely on those reports too heavily.[/quote]

Yeah its not likely, but I wouldn't complain if it was a reasonable deal. I'd offer more than the minimum but less than he was making. We need another MLB, but more likely will be through a mid round draft pick. That's more our style (now).

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Ex-Steelers LB Terrence Garvin says he has singed with the Redskins: [URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/03/17/terence-garvin-says-hes-signed-with-redskins/"]Source (PFT):[/URL]

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[quote=SkinsGuru;1140964]Ex-Steelers LB Terrence Garvin says he has singed with the Redskins: [URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/03/17/terence-garvin-says-hes-signed-with-redskins/"]Source (PFT):[/URL][/quote]

Wtf is PFT bringing up a play from 2013 to smear this guy at the end of the article? you know if Florio was run over by a pack of stampeding elephants if would make my flipping day.


Welcome to the team Garvin, this guy seems to be depth and an excellent special teams player. HTTR

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To above, if certain teams sign role players it's absolutely amazing (ie Patriots), if we do it, there's always more of a critique. It will be that way until we win consistently.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1140969]To above, if certain teams sign role players it's absolutely amazing (ie Patriots), if we do it, there's always more of a critique. [B]It will be that way until we win consistently.[/B][/quote]

I regret to inform you that the national press trashed our team constantly during the Gibbs I years when we were winning Super Bowls. It seems as if that will never change, so **** 'em!

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1140972]I regret to inform you that the national press trashed our team constantly during the Gibbs I years when we were winning Super Bowls. It seems as if that will never change, so **** 'em![/quote]

Ignorance is bliss, lol, that's gone now. Thanks!

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[quote=Schneed10;1140956]Agreed, he should not be counted on as a starting safety solution. He's big and a sure tackler which fits the McCloughan mold, but Jarrett when healthy will push for this role, as will Nacho.

I think Hall is the lock at FS and will be great at it.[/quote]I think Hall could be solid at FS also. IF.....say that Bruton/Nacho/Jarrett look like they can lock down the S spot in training camp. I would then look to keep Hall at CB/NB as insurance against Cully's injury recovery or to have him specialize in the slot.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1140959]There are other receivers that people could put near/above him. But I love his size. We haven't had a true playable big receiver in a long time. We could use him a bit differently than all our other guys.

Pass rushers are like pitchers, can't have too many good ones.[/quote]I'm with you that Treadwell's size is his main attraction. He could be used on "throw to position" routes e.g. redzone, fades, comebacks, slants and he can use his size to "beat" press. But the receivers I have ahead of him create more separation, run crisper routes and are more explosive and those factors for me, are what helps a receiver transition quickly to the NFL. Doctsun, Shephard, Coleman, Boyd

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Front 7:

CBs: Breeland--------------Blackmon/Hall---------------Cully/Hall

Front: Gallette/Preston--Ricky/Reyes--Baker--Paea--Ryan/Murph

ILB.................................Foster---Perry

S....................Nacho/Jarrett---Bruton/Hall

Nickel:

Breeland-----Hall/Jarrett -------Cully

Gallette---Preston--ReyesPaea--Ryan K

-----------'Nacho----Bruton

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Still have some work to do.

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[quote=hutch17;1140907]Exactly what I meant, it felt like the coaches were alluding to him getting bigger and moving inside last year. He could easily put on weight and would be a force inside. That would allow us to take a safety or CB in the draft (come on Karl Joseph) instead of feeling stuck with taking one of the interior DLine players[/quote]

The allusions are over, apparently they are now saying openly they want him to get bigger to move inside.

Keim said as much on Cooley's radio show yesterday. Keim compared the change to the one Justin Smith went through in SF. Murphy is really tall but he seems like he has a different build than Smith and seems lanky. Not sure how that would work. He is strong against the run though at OLB.

Would he be a better rotational player at DE than OLB, who knows?

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[quote=30gut;1141032]
ILB.................................Foster---Perry

[/quote]

Are you projecting a Trade involving Will Compton?

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[url]http://www.redskins.com/news-and-events/blog/article-1/Experience-‘A-Night-Out-With-The-Scouts’-At-Ruth’s-Chris-Steak-House/cbf96a7e-2e8d-4726-91ce-2645a1df48fb[/url]

This might be fun and at $50 a throw...not a bad deal

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I'm tempted even though there will be 0 real scouting info.

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[QUOTE=Bangee7;1141044]Are you projecting a Trade involving Will Compton?[/QUOTE]
No. Why?

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