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[quote=mredskins;1170872][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/06/07/report-kirk-cousins-contract-talks-picking-up/]Report: Kirk Cousins contract talks picking up | ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]

Oh yes yes yes

"Adam Schefter of ESPN reports that Allen and Cousins’ agent Mike McCartney had their first face-to-face meeting about the contract for the first time in two years at last month’s league meetings. They have since met a second time, which is part of an “improved, encouraging tone” that has created hope that a deal could get done by the deadline or after the 2017 season if things don’t move quite that quickly."

I've kept hope all along, firm believer that the deadline is going to shake things up, but this is a really good sign.

Of course if you're 100% sure a deal will not happen, you could see that as a sign each part is just trying not to look like the side who made a deal impossible to be done.

But I don't see why KC wouldn't want to win millions of dollars playing on a team he's been doing great in (if they offer him a proper deal) and I don't see why the Redskins wouldn't want to sign their first decent QB in forever to a LTD rather than paying him even more for a potentiel 3rd tag...

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Im glad to read that talks have resumed and that Dan Snyder has now personally expressed to Cousins's side that he wants Kirk to be his long-term QB. That should help a lot.

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People here are a lot more Cousins friendly than the commentators on ESPN. Its like Seinfeld bizarro world over there.

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Dog pile link

[url=http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/19566814/kirk-cousins-contract-talks-washington-redskins-taking-encouraging-tone]Kirk Cousins contract talks with Washington Redskins taking encouraging tone[/url]

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It is in the best interest of the team to get a deal done sooner than later and not let KC get past July 15th yet again.

When I look at QBs that are getting deals worked before the season starts. Guys like Derek Carr and Matthew Stafford......there is a market barometer that will be set.
The deal Carr signs will set the 'barometer' for franchise QBs and it is going to be HUGE. I'll bet he gets in the ball park of 55-60 million guaranteed

If the front office is smart, they will get KCs deal done before any other QB signs an extension.

If Cousins is smart, he will wait to see what Carr gets before he moves forward.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/06/15/kirk-cousins-played-golf-with-donald-trump-last-weekend/]Kirk Cousins played golf with Donald Trump last weekend | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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JLC of cbssports.com on the odds of Kirk Cousins signing a LTD before the deadline:

"Odds: 80 percent

The sides have come too far and been through too much not to see this through. For as much was made about faux trade demands and how Cousins allegedly only wanted to play for the 49ers or whatever, the odds have always been strongest that he re-signed with the Redskins. Cousins was certainly not thrilled about being tagged again, but that's the business, and he's nothing if not pragmatic.

A year ago these sides were playing footsie, with no chance of a deal really getting done and owner Dan Snyder and team president Bruce Allen wanting to see Cousins prove it on the field for another season. He's done that now, and they aren't going to be picking high enough to land a top QB next year and they can't try to make another RG3-type trade to get one and franchising Cousins for a third straight year is silly and shortsighted as well. It's now or never for the Redskins to lock up Cousins.

This is the time to make something happen and Allen knows that and he is motivated to make the quarterback a known and fixed cost for the owner. Letting Pierre Garcon and DeSean Jackson walk was a nod to that, and the Redskins believe Cousins can help further develop young receivers. He's become a leader and a fixture at a position of perpetual angst for Snyder, and this team knows what it's like not to have a functional, winning passer.

And they can't go back to the abyss. For as much as Cousins can reasonably talk about $25M a year, he and his representatives are smart, savvy people, and if it ends up being $23M a year and four seasons are in essence guaranteed by the salary structure, that's a major win for the former fourth round pick. I don't see this falling apart. There's just too much at stake for both sides."

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1171032]JLC of cbssports.com on the odds of Kirk Cousins signing a LTD before the deadline:

"Odds: 80 percent

The sides have come too far and been through too much not to see this through. For as much was made about faux trade demands and how Cousins allegedly only wanted to play for the 49ers or whatever, the odds have always been strongest that he re-signed with the Redskins. Cousins was certainly not thrilled about being tagged again, but that's the business, and he's nothing if not pragmatic.

A year ago these sides were playing footsie, with no chance of a deal really getting done and owner Dan Snyder and team president Bruce Allen wanting to see Cousins prove it on the field for another season. He's done that now, and they aren't going to be picking high enough to land a top QB next year and they can't try to make another RG3-type trade to get one and franchising Cousins for a third straight year is silly and shortsighted as well. It's now or never for the Redskins to lock up Cousins.

This is the time to make something happen and Allen knows that and he is motivated to make the quarterback a known and fixed cost for the owner. Letting Pierre Garcon and DeSean Jackson walk was a nod to that, and the Redskins believe Cousins can help further develop young receivers. He's become a leader and a fixture at a position of perpetual angst for Snyder, and this team knows what it's like not to have a functional, winning passer.

And they can't go back to the abyss. For as much as Cousins can reasonably talk about $25M a year, he and his representatives are smart, savvy people, and if it ends up being $23M a year and four seasons are in essence guaranteed by the salary structure, that's a major win for the former fourth round pick. I don't see this falling apart. There's just too much at stake for both sides."[/quote]

:D

Im thinking we get it done...Im looking forward to saying, Schneed was right.

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80% of the time NFL contracts get signed on time 100% of the time.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1171032]JLC of cbssports.com on the odds of Kirk Cousins signing a LTD before the deadline:

"Odds: 80 percent

The sides have come too far and been through too much not to see this through. For as much was made about faux trade demands and how Cousins allegedly only wanted to play for the 49ers or whatever, the odds have always been strongest that he re-signed with the Redskins. Cousins was certainly not thrilled about being tagged again, but that's the business, and he's nothing if not pragmatic.

A year ago these sides were playing footsie, with no chance of a deal really getting done and owner Dan Snyder and team president Bruce Allen wanting to see Cousins prove it on the field for another season. He's done that now, and they aren't going to be picking high enough to land a top QB next year and they can't try to make another RG3-type trade to get one and franchising Cousins for a third straight year is silly and shortsighted as well. It's now or never for the Redskins to lock up Cousins.

This is the time to make something happen and Allen knows that and he is motivated to make the quarterback a known and fixed cost for the owner. Letting Pierre Garcon and DeSean Jackson walk was a nod to that, and the Redskins believe Cousins can help further develop young receivers. He's become a leader and a fixture at a position of perpetual angst for Snyder, and this team knows what it's like not to have a functional, winning passer.

And they can't go back to the abyss. For as much as Cousins can reasonably talk about $25M a year, he and his representatives are smart, savvy people, and if it ends up being $23M a year and four seasons are in essence guaranteed by the salary structure, that's a major win for the former fourth round pick. I don't see this falling apart. There's just too much at stake for both sides."[/quote]

Great find, KI Skins Fan. Thanks for posting.

This article actually makes a lot of sense w/o the hype and nonsense of many other writers. The fact that both sides really benefit the most by getting a long term deal done and how far they have come signals that it most likely does get done.

At this point, I'm past the arguing about whether he 'deserves' it. Like it or not, KC is by FAR our best option going forward. Let's get this done and focus on the upcoming season.

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[quote=Chico23231;1171033]:D

Im thinking we get it done...Im looking forward to saying, Schneed was right.[/quote]

I'm looking forward even more to saying Snake wasn't.

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[url=http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/19699692/raiders-derek-carr-carr-close-massive-deal-pay-qb-25m-annually]Raiders, Derek Carr Carr close to massive deal that will pay QB about $25M annually[/url]

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Cousins will be out here by me for his football camp on July 6,7,8,9 give or take a travel day. I would think hes got to sign before that or immediately afterward.

[url]https://kirkcousins.org/camp-schedule/[/url]

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1171035]80% of the time NFL contracts get signed on time 100% of the time.[/quote]

But JLC is wrong about the Redskins 95% of the time, so if he says 80%, that means more like 25% chance it gets done.

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[quote=mredskins;1171038][url=http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/19699692/raiders-derek-carr-carr-close-massive-deal-pay-qb-25m-annually]Raiders, Derek Carr Carr close to massive deal that will pay QB about $25M annually[/url][/quote]

Carr signing would be a boost for our talks, because it puts a number that I think could be used as a very good comparable for both sides. As long as Oakland doesn't do a crazy deal, it could pave the way for a KC/Skins deal.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1171039]Cousins will be out here by me for his football camp on July 6,7,8,9 give or take a travel day. I would think hes got to sign before that or immediately afterward.

[url]https://kirkcousins.org/camp-schedule/[/url][/quote]

the tag line is:
“Don’t get bitter. Get better“
– Kirk Cousins –

If that's what he's preaching, he ought to be signing at this point. No reason to be bitter at anything anymore.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1171041]Carr signing would be a boost for our talks, because it puts a number that I think could be used as a very good comparable for both sides. As long as Oakland doesn't do a crazy deal, it could pave the way for a KC/Skins deal.[/quote]

I was actually hoping the Carr deal would happen after the July deadline. Whatever money Carr will get, Cousins' agent would want more than that. I don't mind Cousins' getting paid, I just don't want us to end up like the Ravens when they gave Flacco that monster deal.

[quote=CRedskinsRule;1171040]But JLC is wrong about the Redskins 95% of the time, so if he says 80%, that means more like 25% chance it gets done.[/quote]

FWIW, Andrew Brandt also said this week that he believes the deal will get done.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1171045]I was actually hoping the Carr deal would happen after the July deadline. Whatever money Carr will get, Cousins' agent would want more than that. I don't mind Cousins' getting paid, I just don't want us to end up like the Ravens when they gave Flacco that monster deal.
[/quote]

I am just saying that if Carr reaches a deal, then both sides have a tangible and comparable contract to look at. If it is a crazy rich one, then it may push KC away from negotiating, but if it's "reasonable" for a top qb talent, then it gives the team and KC a good reference. As for the Flacco deal, I believe that we have had a few good drafts that will help keep our costs down through rookie contracts. The Ravens issue was as much that after they won the SB everyone wanted to be paid like a star.

-- that might be another reason to get the deal done this year, cuz if we were to win the SB and have to pay for KC and all our "stars", we would be in Baltimore's situation.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1171046]I am just saying that if Carr reaches a deal, then both sides have a tangible and comparable contract to look at. If it is a crazy rich one, then it may push KC away from negotiating, but if it's "reasonable" for a top qb talent, then it gives the team and KC a good reference. As for the Flacco deal, I believe that we have had a few good drafts that will help keep our costs down through rookie contracts. The Ravens issue was as much that after they won the SB everyone wanted to be paid like a star.

-- that might be another reason to get the deal done this year, cuz if we were to win the SB and have to pay for KC and all our "stars", we would be in Baltimore's situation.[/quote]

Good point. Oakland actually has a pretty good FO, so hopefully they won't go overboard.

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[quote=mredskins;1171038][url=http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/19699692/raiders-derek-carr-carr-close-massive-deal-pay-qb-25m-annually]Raiders, Derek Carr Carr close to massive deal that will pay QB about $25M annually[/url][/quote]

The skins will have to pony more than $25m/year, that's the rumor around here. Cousins has better numbers than Carr if I'm not mistaken. This is not good.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1171050]The skins will have to pony more than $25m/year, that's the rumor around here. Cousins has better numbers than Carr if I'm not mistaken. This is not good.[/quote]

It's all about the guaranteed money. Let's see how much of Carr's money is guaranteed. I think Carr is very much a comparable QB to Cousins.

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Hopefully we can get the kid from
Wyoming if this doesn't pan out. I am not sure
Cousins is worth risking the building of the overall team if he asks for the moon. He has the crazy yardage stats, but he can't score in the red zone and throws ints at critical junctures of a game. I do want him signed, but not if we are going to have to let a ton of guys go in the near future that are balling. We can't expect to contend signing journeyman types to one year prove it deals on the cheap.

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JLC reporting that the Carr deal is said to include $75M salary over the first three years. That would be the most $$$ ever paid an NFL QB over a 3 yr. period, exceeding the $71.3M due to Andrew Luck in his contract. That is an indicator of the range we should expect for a Cousins LTD. It's crazy money, I know, but it is also the market for NFL QB's.

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I think this should give the Redskins comfort in giving Cousins the money he deserves. Before this Carr deal they had to feel like they were stepping out on a bit of a limb, giving Cousins so much would have made them feel like they were above the market for him.

But this shows that the market is going to keep increasing for quality QBs, as long as there are so few quality QBs in the NFL.

If I'm the Redskins brass today I'm feeling more comfortable. Yeah Kirk will be expensive, but other QBs are going to get paid too. They're not going to find themselves at a cap disadvantage compared to other teams - other QBs are going to get theirs too.

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[quote=Schneed10;1171054]I think this should give the Redskins comfort in giving Cousins the money he deserves. Before this Carr deal they had to feel like they were stepping out on a bit of a limb, giving Cousins so much would have made them feel like they were above the market for him.

But this shows that the market is going to keep increasing for quality QBs, as long as there are so few quality QBs in the NFL.

If I'm the Redskins brass today I'm feeling more comfortable. Yeah Kirk will be expensive, but other QBs are going to get paid too. They're not going to find themselves at a cap disadvantage compared to other teams - other QBs are going to get theirs too.[/quote]

That's a good insight on this. I was wondering if the Carr deal would help or hinder the talks with Cousins. Let's hope a deal gets done soon!

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I think the Carr deal means Kirk's going to have to be at or near that number, which hurts us as I was hoping to keep him in the 23-25 aav range.

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[quote=Schneed10;1171054]I think this should give the Redskins comfort in giving Cousins the money he deserves. Before this Carr deal they had to feel like they were stepping out on a bit of a limb, giving Cousins so much would have made them feel like they were above the market for him.

But this shows that the market is going to keep increasing for quality QBs, as long as there are so few quality QBs in the NFL.

If I'm the Redskins brass today I'm feeling more comfortable. Yeah Kirk will be expensive, but other QBs are going to get paid too. They're not going to find themselves at a cap disadvantage compared to other teams - other QBs are going to get theirs too.[/quote]

I agree with this. I think the Skins didn't want to step out with a crazy number and open themselves up to criticism. If Carr gets this type deal, I believe the Skins will be willing to get to that same level. Carr and KC are pretty much around the same level.

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The Carr deal is done.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000816968/article/raiders-derek-carr-finalize-5year-125m-extension]Raiders, Derek Carr finalize 5-year, $125M extension - NFL.com[/url]

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Matthew Staffords camp was waiting on the Carr deal to get done too. Whatever Carr gets, Stafford is expected to get more. KC might wait to see what Stafford gets......this is not over

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Kirk isn't going to get more than Carr, but a very comparable contract is very likely. If anything this Carr deal helps pave the way for Kirk's deal.

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[QUOTE=sandtrapjack;1171062]Matthew Staffords camp was waiting on the Carr deal to get done too. Whatever Carr gets, Stafford is expected to get more. KC might wait to see what Stafford gets......this is not over[/QUOTE]



Stafford's deal should definitely exceed Carr's, but Kirk isn't going to get more than Stafford, no way.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1171050]The skins will have to pony more than $25m/year, that's the rumor around here. Cousins has better numbers than Carr if I'm not mistaken. This is not good.[/quote]

actually no . . . carr had like 6 more TD passes and 10 less interceptions than Cousins . . . and is 6 years younger than cousins . . . Carr is a FAR FAR FAR better prospect than Cousins.

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[quote=MTK;1171064]Stafford's deal should definitely exceed Carr's, but Kirk isn't going to get more than Stafford, no way.[/quote]

Agreed. Not what I meant. Was just wondering if KC would look for something in between the Carr and Stafford deals....

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[QUOTE=sandtrapjack;1171066]Agreed. Not what I meant. Was just wondering if KC would look for something in between the Carr and Stafford deals....[/QUOTE]



I don't think Kirk deserves more than Carr, I'd say something just below his deal.

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More details about Carr's deal:

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Carr's deal -- to include a $70M injury guarantee, $40M fully guaranteed

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If the Redskins don't get a deal done now then it will never happen. They should offer KC the same contract that Carr got. It ain't that damn difficult.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1171070]If the Redskins don't get a deal done now then it will never happen. They should offer KC the same contract that Carr got. It ain't that damn difficult.[/quote]

to be honest, they really already screwed this up by the god aweful lowball offer. Now if they don't get a deal it would a fuckin disaster and Bruce should go.

That's my line in the sand. Bruce goes if we don't get a deal done.

And to be honest, our salary cap is in pretty good shape, even though I do worry a lil bit about all the one year deals we are on for this upcoming season.

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[quote=Chico23231;1171071]to be honest, they really already screwed this up by the god aweful lowball offer. Now if they don't get a deal it would a fuckin disaster and Bruce should go.

That's my line in the sand. Bruce goes if we don't get a deal done.

And to be honest, our salary cap is in pretty good shape, even though I do worry a lil bit about all the one year deals we are on for this upcoming season.[/quote]

Bruce is just the mouthpiece for Snyder. Since Snyder has been the majority owner of the Redskins, when did he not close a deal that he wanted to close? This is all Snyder. If he wants to get a deal done with Cousins, it gets done. He gave low character ass Fat Albert 40 million and didn't blink doing it.

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Deadline is July 17th and not the 15th. 2 more possible days of torture.

I doubt Cousins accepts a penny less than what Carr got. Carr is better and younger but it won't matter. Cousins has all the leverage.

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[quote=SkinsGuru;1171065]actually no . . . carr had like 6 more TD passes and 10 less interceptions than Cousins . . . and is 6 years younger than cousins . . . Carr is a FAR FAR FAR better prospect than Cousins.[/quote]

Carr has also already had a major injury in his young career. I think you went three fars too far in comparing the two. Also, at the money we're talking about here, these two QB's had better not be prospects. They need to be stars.