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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1193895]Well, that's like saying the fall of the Soviet union was because they went broke. While accurate, they went broke because of Reagan's push. My guess is kim jung pushed his research beyond his ability because of trump's pushing him. And in effect brought a backlash that ended his research.[/QUOTE]



Do you actually believe Trump or The fat kid?
You know that he has promised these things before right? This is nothing new. The only difference was other Presidents knew their history and Trump takes victory laps when he farts without a shit stain.


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When Trump was elected, fact is that media doomsayers had nuclear war breaking out, the economy crashing, and a thousand other negatives.

So far the last 12 months have seen 2.9% avg growth. N. and S. Korea are talking about writing up an end to the armistice (no that has not happened before punch) and real de-nuking of the peninsula, ISIS has lost all it's territory and a lot of influence.

The hate is so pervasive around Trump, and some of it is deserved. But denying the positive geopolitical changes that have occurred so far makes it seem more hate based than reality.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1193958]When Trump was elected, fact is that media doomsayers had nuclear war breaking out, the economy crashing, and a thousand other negatives.



So far the last 12 months have seen 2.9% avg growth. N. and S. Korea are talking about writing up an end to the armistice (no that has not happened before punch) and real de-nuking of the peninsula, ISIS has lost all it's territory and a lot of influence.



The hate is so pervasive around Trump, and some of it is deserved. But denying the positive geopolitical changes that have occurred so far makes it seem more hate based than reality.[/QUOTE]



Economic numbers are skewed and we will not know the true effects of his tax plan for a while. Im not going to fall for some picture on fox news with some random dude in Kansas holding a big check though. ISIS is still running people over every other day last i checked. Just because they move their home base does not mean they are defeated. Talk talk talk is all it is. Fox news propaganda, talk, and tweets. Geopolitical changes like what? Like our allies do not trust us anymore? But we seem to be warming up with North Korea and Russia???? No thanks. Intelligence all over the world doesn’t know where we stand because the dude is off his rocker. Don’t believe the bullshit u see on Fox news or read in his tweets.


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Look, it's like the draft, I understand that you can't know exact outcomes the day after the draft. At the same token, clearly some of the doomsday viewpoints that were the daily headlines of yahoo, cnn, msnbc have not (and will not) come to pass.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1193961]Look, it's like the draft, I understand that you can't know exact outcomes the day after the draft. At the same token, clearly some of the doomsday viewpoints that were the daily headlines of yahoo, cnn, msnbc have not (and will not) come to pass.[/QUOTE]



Come to pass and come to light are two totally different things my friend. [emoji8]


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The one thing that Trump is good at is preventative maintenance. Even if Mueller or anyone for that matter proves that he did something- he already has you Chico and his base doubting any News in general. We are dealing with a whole new playing field of doubt and paranoia. Not that big of a deal when we are talking about Twitter likes, but when you are talking about the Intelligence agencies and the economy it can be devastating.


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[quote=Chico23231;1193951][url]https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/30/world/asia/trump-nobel-peace-prize-korea.html[/url]

"A Trump Nobel Peace Prize? South Korea’s Leader Likes the Idea"

Nobel Peace Prize....Co-owner Trump and Moon?

Liberals Snowflakes would crumble[/quote]
So you want to give a Peace Prize to two idiots becuase they didn't blow up their own citizens?:banghead:

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[quote=punch it in;1193966]The one thing that Trump is good at is preventative maintenance. Even if Mueller or anyone for that matter proves that he did something- he already has you Chico and his base doubting any News in general. We are dealing with a whole new playing field of doubt and paranoia. Not that big of a deal when we are talking about Twitter likes, but when you are talking about the Intelligence agencies and the economy it can be devastating.


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I would say that the same holds true for you, G1, Matty, etc. We could see a new American renaissance, the gang wars could stop, inner cities blossom, and NK/Syria/Isis disarm, and you all would disavow all possible connections to Trumps policy aims and implementation.

C'est la guerre

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1194076]I would say that the same holds true for you, G1, Matty, etc. We could see a new American renaissance, the gang wars could stop, inner cities blossom, and NK/Syria/Isis disarm, and you all would disavow all possible connections to Trumps policy aims and implementation.



C'est la guerre[/QUOTE]



Yes Trump is the key to shangri-la. If you actually believe (even for one second) that the bad guys are laying down their arms, inner cities are “blossoming” , and America is on the verge of a renaissance (fancy way to say MAGA), just because this guy is tweeting these things than we will just go forward in the football related things. Come on C Red.
I would argue that our intelligence officers around the world would have a different take than you on world peace. I would argue that giving racism a platform and a voice is doing the exact opposite to our inner cities. I would say that even if I believed this morons claims about jobs and money and blah blah blah were true that these things sometimes come at a cost. Money isn’t everything man. You can’t ignore the environment, or sick people or poor people in the name of money. ESPECIALLY when the money isn’t even for us.



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[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-team-leaked-mueller-apos-131407252.html[/url]




President Donald Trump’s own team appears to be responsible for the leaking of questions the special counsel has prepared for the commander-in-chief in connection with the Russian election meddling probe, several legal experts claimed Tuesday.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1194079][url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-team-leaked-mueller-apos-131407252.html[/url][/QUOTE]



Ill just answer for the Trump supporters. Fake news. Next. Damn that was easy. MAGA BABY!
Obama sucks.


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[quote=punch it in;1194080]Ill just answer for the Trump supporters. Fake news. Next. Damn that was easy. MAGA BABY!
Obama sucks.


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LOL, you forgot "lock her up"!!!

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So anyone surprised at this .......................
Trumps Doctor now says trump bullied him.
[url]https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/05/02/607638733/doctor-trump-dictated-letter-attesting-to-his-extraordinary-health[/url]


[url]https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/5/2/17309554/stormy-daniels-harold-bornstein-trump-doctor-letter-raid-office-records-parking-lot[/url]

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I'm semi-surprised that Trump could bully anyone considering he's such a pussy. So yes, I AM surprised.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1194186]I'm semi-surprised that Trump could bully anyone considering he's such a pussy. So yes, I AM surprised.[/quote]

:laughing2

Well delivered and succinct. I needed that.:biggthump

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1194186]I'm semi-surprised that Trump could bully anyone considering he's such a pussy. So yes, I AM surprised.[/quote]

true,it's why he sent the bodyguard.;)

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1194186]I'm semi-surprised that Trump could bully anyone considering he's such a pussy. So yes, I AM surprised.[/quote]

We think on the same wavelength. For such a tough guy he really gets butthurt about the smallest things, the WHCD being the latest example.

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[quote=mooby;1194197]We think on the same wavelength. For such a tough guy [B]he really gets butthurt about the smallest things[/B], the WHCD being the latest example.[/quote]

This. And the fact he talks like he is mentally handicapped. Believe me, mentally handicapped. Bigly.

SAD!

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The perfect guy to head up the NRA. :laughing2


[YT]lFV1uT-ihDo[/YT]

What is with "conservatives" worshiping convicts and criminals?

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Man's a true patriot, what more could you ask more?

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[quote=mooby;1194359]Man's a true patriot, what more could you ask more?[/quote]

I thank him for his service in Vietnam,he was a good soldier but to call him a true patriot ......that is a little much for me. JMO.

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[quote=punch it in;1193956]Do you actually believe Trump or The fat kid?
You know that he has promised these things before right? This is nothing new. The only difference was other Presidents knew their history and Trump takes victory laps when he farts without a shit stain.


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So does the 3 Americans coming home mean anything?

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1194376]So does the 3 Americans coming home mean anything?[/QUOTE]



You have no idea if they would have come home under another administration or not. You also have no idea what the true cost of this “good will gesture “ by Un is. Again do you really think that Donald fucking Trump - the same one who led the charge against the central park 5 (that is 5 Americans) - to get the death penalty without really having any idea the facts of the case- is just so grief stricken about three Asian Americans that he has sacrificed in some form to get them home? Ill answer that for you. No. Who knows what sleazy shit this guy is capable of - we find out more every day. Funny how the day after Russian collusion becomes a real thing that these three guys would be the big story for the Trump apologists. Lol


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again wow.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1194376]So does the 3 Americans coming home mean anything?[/quote]

To them yes,to the rest of the county no. You want trump to get credit yet it's South Korea and China that are doing the work. Why would you go over there anyway knowing what it was like and against the expressed concern of your own goverment.


You want people to give credit to two known mentally challenged leaders for "not blowing up their own people".Add in the fact that trump just backed out(violated) of a deal deal with Iran and left our Allies holding a thumb up their ass,trump supporters are as crazy as he is.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1194380]again wow.[/QUOTE]



Let me make a few other things very clear.
1) Im extremely happy three people are free. All innocent people in the world should be.
2) i have said forever that Presidents are just figure heads. (Especially this one.) So Ill always pump the brakes hard before I give them credit for decisions that would have been made regardless of who is in office.
3) I hate Donald Trump because he is a lying scum. He colluded his way into office and now spends his time lying to the World (like he has for years) on the grandest of stages. Policy is a party thing not a President thing. This guy is just a loud ass blow horn for the Republicans- a total idiot of a puppet.


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Great job by the President securing the release of these 3 hostages. Hopefully he continues to push North Korea towards De-nuclearizing the peninsula. Fairly clear to everyone with a brain that without the Presidents aggressive policy, especially the most aggressive sanctions N Korea has ever faced, this would have never taken place.

The administration was actually satellite tracking N Korea ships all over the world and then banning them from ports. This also included the banning of some Chinese ships which were involved in trade against the latest sanctions.

So the administration also pressured China to get N Korea to come to the table with not only this topic but also using our own trade policy against them.

Clearly without the aggressive policy applied by this administration, we would not be where we are today.

While we have a ways to go, we should all be hoping for a North Korea without Nuclear Weapons. But unfortunately, I see we still have folks who are too stupid to see this...

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1194388]Great job by the President securing the release of these 3 hostages. Hopefully he continues to push North Korea towards De-nuclearizing the peninsula. Fairly clear to everyone with a brain that without the Presidents aggressive policy, especially the most aggressive sanctions N Korea has ever faced, this would have never taken place.



The administration was actually satellite tracking N Korea ships all over the world and then banning them from ports. This also included the banning of some Chinese ships which were involved in trade against the latest sanctions.



So the administration also pressured China to get N Korea to come to the table with not only this topic but also using our own trade policy against them.



Clearly without the aggressive policy applied by this administration, we would not be where we are today.



While we have a ways to go, we should all be hoping for a North Korea without Nuclear Weapons. But unfortunately, I see we still have folks who are too stupid to see this...[/QUOTE]



Did you copy and paste this from a Fox News columnist?


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Even if that were all as honky dory as you think it is than give credit to the party like I said. Trump deserves about as much credit for any talk of denuclearization as Obama does for capturing Bin Laden. Less actually because Trump was to busy calling him names on Twitter to have had absolutely anything at all to do with any of it. Also for the last time Un has pulled this peace on earth bullshit before. But as soon as he launches his next rocket im sure the trumpers will find a way to blame Nancy Pelosi or Obama or Giant one or libtards or blah blah blah


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[quote=punch it in;1194389]Did you copy and paste this from a Fox News columnist?


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I hate Fox news and rarely turn it on...too biased for my taste.

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Everyone very quiet about Iran too. How convenient. But at-least the idiot was able to rip up something from Obama. I mean who cares what it was. [emoji849]


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[quote=Chico23231;1194388]Great job by the President securing the release of these 3 hostages..[/quote]
What did he do,he hasn't put any pressure on China,actually it's the exact opposite South Korea had to go to the Chinese becuase trump won't do anything but aggravate the situation, his S of S quit becuase he was such an ass,so yes please give us specifics on exactly what trump did?

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[quote=Giantone;1194396]What did he do,he hasn't put any pressure on China,actually it's the exact opposite South Korea had to go to the Chinese becuase trump won't do anything but aggravate the situation, his S of S quit becuase he was such an ass,so yes please give us specifics on exactly what trump did?[/quote]

:laughing2

G1, dude why are you so mad?

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[quote=punch it in;1194394]Everyone very quiet about Iran too. How convenient. But at-least the idiot was able to rip up something from Obama. I mean who cares what it was. [emoji849]


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Trump manage to do what everyone thought Iran would do, renege on a peace deal,again trump has thrown all our friends under the bus.

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[quote=Chico23231;1194397]:laughing2

G1, dude why are you so mad?[/quote]

Dude???? It's obvious you have a lack of understanding of the real world,trump lives off of people such as yourself,he feeds off of ......the lack of understanding to put it nicely ,he feeds off your fear .

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[quote=Chico23231;1194397]:laughing2

G1, dude why are you so mad?[/quote]

trump makes this country and the office of the President look like shit,why shouldn't I be mad about that?

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Keep Laughing Chico.............


[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-apos-iran-deal-exit-005741772.html[/url]


WASHINGTON ― President Donald Trump’s decision to withdraw from the Iran nuclear deal will weaken U.S. relationships around the world and create problems that U.S. foreign policy will be grappling with for years, but it’s also a boon for the U.S. rival that American intelligence said helped Trump get elected: Russia.

Trump’s move will likely lead toward progress on Russian President Vladimir Putin’s two chief goals: splintering the U.S.-led alliance of democratic powers that currently dominates global affairs and fortifying Russia’s alternative network, which includes Iran and its partners across the Middle East.

A split between the U.S. and its three most powerful allies — France, Germany and the U.K. — was clear immediately after Trump’s announcement. The leaders of the latter three countries issued a joint statement expressing “regret and concern” and saying they want to sustain the Iran agreement, which promised Iran some freedom from international sanctions in exchange for limits on and guarantees of transparency about its nuclear development. They reiterated what Trump’s own military advisers and new secretary of state have said: Iran is abiding by the deal./news/trump-apos-iran-deal-exit-005741772.html

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How about the fact that two of these three prisoners were all arrested while Trump was spouting off at the pie hole and enraging Jong-un ? If I were one of them Id smack him right in his face when I got off the plane. Unreal. Dude throws a temper tantrum so Jong-un arrests three Americans and puts them through hell before returning them. And you guys want to give him the Nobel Peace Prize. Are you fucking kidding me?


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Cred, I am happy to give Trump partial credit for getting 3 Americans released from NK and peace talks advanced (but don't go giving him full credit, China/SK also deserve some) but at the same time, why don't we talk about the Iran deal and what specifically Trump has a problem with? In the last year gas prices in Woodbridge have gone from 2.20/gal to 2.80/gal, and this is just the precursor to even higher prices once summer rolls around and the shit pops off because we left the Iran deal. Now I know, who gives a shit about gas prices? I do, because I drive a lot. The raise in prices is only going to cut into the bump I got from the tax reform bill (which I'm not sure I got at all because the salary bump I got supposedly bumped me into the next tax bracket).

Now I don't know much, but I do know this. When my cost of living goes up as a direct result of his policies, it offsets however happy I am that peace in Korea finally seems feasible. I'm happy the 3 Americans are coming home too, but don't have much sympathy for them because everybody with half a brain knew it was a dangerous proposition visiting NK in any capacity as an American while hostilities were being thrown around.

And unless Trump starts spouting specifics about why the Iran deal is bad, I am happy to believe he only wanted out because it was an Obama deal. When everybody (including your own intelligence) says Iran was complying with the deal, I see no reason to back out. Now we can look forward to Iran bailing on the agreement too and all the negative reactions that will happen as a result of that.

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Like it or not, he ran, and won on getting out of the Iran deal. Gas always goes up during this time of the year due to the refineries changing blends, (and when the Republican candidate won, I told my friends we were headed back to the $4 gas days because that's what Republicans do. The shale/fracking industries needs higher gas prices) My company lives off of drivers driving, so yeah it sucks, but it was a lock when the Republicans won, regardless of the Iran deal.

Personally, I've always felt the US was strongest when it leads, and not was lead by the Europeans. I have a strong German background, but the Europeans as a continent are a weak ass people. They have lived under US umbrella for so long that they have forgotten why it was necessary in the first place, and when you get a president like Carter, and Obama who are social change creatures, the European socialists pounce, and bad treaties happen.

Here is a coherent discussion with a VOX (liberal media) reporter and Richard Goldberg, a supporter of ending the deal.
[url]https://www.vox.com/world/2018/5/8/17326650/iran-nuclear-deal-withdraw-trump-speech-goldberg-interview[/url]