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[quote=skinsfaninok;1182029][url=http://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/three-nfl-legends-call-out-kirk-cousins-their-criticism-largely-misses-mark?utm_content=buffer82828&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer]Three NFL legends call out Kirk Cousins, but their criticism largely misses the mark | NBC Sports Washington[/url][/quote]So it was Kirk's fault that Crowder (drop for INT) and Doctson (two drops for big first downs) don't make plays for him? Steve Smith is an idiot - Kirk continued to go to both of his WRs after they let him down. Smith clearly is jealous of the leverage that Kirk has, which will eventually lead to the biggest contract in the league.

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[quote=SouperMeister;1182034]So it was Kirk's fault that Crowder (drop for INT) and Doctson (two drops for big first downs) don't make plays for him? Steve Smith is an idiot - Kirk continued to go to both of his WRs after they let him down. Smith clearly is jealous of the leverage that Kirk has, which will eventually lead to the biggest contract in the league.[/quote]

Yeah I don't get their argument

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Hatters gonna hatt. Cousins is not the problem. Dude is out there with no OL and shaky WRs and it's his fault for tipped passes that get picked or dropped balls? Come on. So called "analysts" are worse than some fair weather fans I swear.

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[url]https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_cmp_perc_career.htm[/url]


Food for thought. While that is not inclusive it is a good indicator. There are a few outliers in there but even then they had successful careers. KC is a franchise QB imo.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1182086][url]https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_cmp_perc_career.htm[/url]


Food for thought. While that is not inclusive it is a good indicator. There are a few outliers in there but even then they had successful careers. KC is a franchise QB imo.[/quote]

He's our Tony Romo or Brees. Need to lock him up

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Cousins is a top tier QB. He goes to Jax and he's competing with the Pats for AFC supremacy. Cuz, Fournette, Dede and a ridiculous defense... Khan should pay him.

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Shoulda listend to McC....nope, Bruce and Dan have screwed this up in epic levels....



Just like Giantone used to yell during the election season:

Lock him up!
Lock him up!
Lock him up!

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[quote=itvnetop;1182093]Cousins is a top tier QB. He goes to Jax and he's competing with the Pats for AFC supremacy. Cuz, Fournette, Dede and a ridiculous defense... Khan should pay him.[/quote]

That would be sick with that defense

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[quote=MTK;1182054]Hatters gonna hatt. Cousins is not the problem. Dude is out there with no OL and shaky WRs and it's his fault for tipped passes that get picked or dropped balls? Come on. So called "analysts" are worse than some fair weather fans I swear.[/quote]

Kirk has 76% of the redskins TD's, Wilson has 86% of Seattles.

Both are playing great football, difference is they have a good defense we dont

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1182102]Kirk has 76% of the redskins TD's, Wilson has 86% of Seattles.

Both are playing great football, difference is they have a good defense we dont[/quote]

We do have a good defense, difference is we are missing some key players like Allen, Foster, Murphy.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1182103]We do have a good defense, difference is we are missing some key players like Allen, Foster, Murphy.[/quote]

I go off of stats bro, numbers don't lie. We are the 29th in points allowed and 18th in yards. Can't stop the run game at all

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We have an OK defense. When healthy, the pass rush was sometimes good, but sometimes not. It's not consistent enough.

We need to continue to get better on the front 7. Keep Brown, upgrade Mason Foster to somebody much more athletic. Upgrade Preston Smith, who's not bad, but not bad isn't good enough. And get another down lineman like J Allen, clone him. Then we're where we want to be.

We shouldn't view the defense as close.

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[quote=Schneed10;1182106]We have an OK defense. When healthy, the pass rush was sometimes good, but sometimes not. It's not consistent enough.

We need to continue to get better on the front 7. Keep Brown, upgrade Mason Foster to somebody much more athletic. Upgrade Preston Smith, who's not bad, but not bad isn't good enough. And get another down lineman like J Allen, clone him. Then we're where we want to be.

We shouldn't view the defense as close.[/quote]

It's better than last few years but it's still not very good. Swearinger has helped a ton as has Brown. Allen looked solid until the injury. Still need a pass rusher that is actually good at more than one move. When I saw RK get thrown to the ground last night I just laughed.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1182105]I go off of stats bro, numbers don't lie. We are the 29th in points allowed and 18th in yards. Can't stop the run game at all[/quote]

Stats don’t mean shit, just like metrics at work. Yes, we could get another pass rusher, DT and ILB. My off season wish list is re-sign Brown draft another stud ILB to pair him with Brown, get another pass rusher like Barnett in Philly, maybe sign a DT in FA or pick either in the draft. ILB position is imperative to stop the run.

Re: Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1182029][url=http://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/three-nfl-legends-call-out-kirk-cousins-their-criticism-largely-misses-mark?utm_content=buffer82828&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer]Three NFL legends call out Kirk Cousins, but their criticism largely misses the mark | NBC Sports Washington[/url][/quote]

Psshhh lost all respect for these losers. It’s like they’ve never played. Amazing. Fuck these guys

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1182108]Stats don’t mean shit, just like metrics at work. Yes, we could get another pass rusher, DT and ILB. My off season wish list is re-sign Brown draft another stud ILB to pair him with Brown, get another pass rusher like Barnett in Philly, maybe sign a DT in FA or pick either in the draft. ILB position is imperative to stop the run.[/quote]

They do when it comes to Wins and Losses, the horrible run d helps us lose games lol.

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[quote=Chico23231;1182109]Psshhh lost all respect for these losers. It’s like they’ve never played. Amazing[/quote]

yeah I think most of these guys just want the attention. They are after thoughts and don't like it

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1182107]It's better than last few years but it's still not very good. Swearinger has helped a ton as has Brown. Allen looked solid until the injury. Still need a pass rusher that is actually good at more than one move. When I saw RK get thrown to the ground last night I just laughed.[/quote]

Yeah I'm with you. We've seen improvements. But I don't want us to think that improvement is good enough.

Kerrigan can be a part of a very good front 7. But if he's your best and most consistent pass rush threat, then your ceiling as a pass rush is mediocrity. He gets stymied by the top tackles.

There's more than one way to skin the cat right? You can have a Von Miller or a Khalil Mack who just dominates all the damn time, and they can carry mediocre pass rushers elsewhere along the line. Or you can be like the Eagles and have players who are as disruptive at Kerrigan at all four spots. So that when one gets stymied, another is usually making a play. It's more consistent.

Our pass rush right now is basically Kerrigan gets home or nothing.

Kerrigan can play in a dominant pass rush. I think J Allen can. Ioannidis is good for nickel situations. But we really, really need somebody else to improve from the edge.

In retrospect, the better free agent move would have been springing for Calais Campbell instead of McClain and McGee. Sometimes the single game changer is what you need.

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Cousins is a good QB. I'm not sure if we are good enough to afford to pay for him to stay. This is what I mean by this...

We need a DT, WR, RB, LB, LG and QB (if Cousins walks).

Let's say we draft a RB. (my hope Guice)

We will need to resign Zach Brown, Mason Foster, Niles Paul?, Trent Murphy?, Spencer Long?, Junior Gallette? IMO.

Then we want an upgrade at LG, Pass Rusher, Wide Reciever, and Defensive Tackle. I don't believe in the front office's ability to draft.

The question for me is not whether or not Cousins is worth the $34.5 Million to franchise him or make him the highest paid player in the league. The question is can we pay that high price tag knowing we have so many other holes to fill on this team.

Right now, I let him walk or trade him for picks. Yes, we take a step back, but we can afford to strengthen other positions of need for the team.

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[quote=SouperMeister;1181943]After that garbage, why should Kirk want to return? Special teams hurts us nearly every game. Our WR's make unforced errors consistently. I hope that Kirk lands someplace where the FO shows him some real love. I'm betting on Jacksonville.[/quote]

I think if Elway gets his hands KC never leaves town!!!

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2 types of teams, those with a QB and those without. I am against wandering through the NFL wilderness for who knows how long without one.

Sign him!

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[QUOTE=DYoungJelly;1182119]2 types of teams, those with a QB and those without. I am against wandering through the NFL wilderness for who knows how long without one.



Sign him![/QUOTE]



Agreed. Why is this even a debate?


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[quote=DYoungJelly;1182119]2 types of teams, those with a QB and those without. I am against wandering through the NFL wilderness for who knows how long without one.

Sign him![/quote]

I like this.

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Do you sign Kirk for 26-30M or do you take a QB in the 1st round like a Baker Mayfield?

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1182119]2 types of teams, those with a QB and those without. I am against wandering through the NFL wilderness for who knows how long without one.

Sign him![/quote]

Agreed. In french we have a saying "ne pas lâcher la proie pour l'ombre" = do not let go of the prey for the shadow...

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1182216]Do you sign Kirk for 26-30M or do you take a QB in the 1st round like a Baker Mayfield?[/quote]

i take baker mayfield... but he will probably be the 1st or 2nd qb taken... He has more intangible than the other 2 in Darnald, Rosen may go 1st though.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1182216]Do you sign Kirk for 26-30M or do you take a QB in the 1st round like a Baker Mayfield?[/quote]

you found the franchise QB 28 million per...get it done. I don't know about this QB class...everyone scares me.

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[quote=Meks;1182222]i take baker mayfield... but he will probably be the 1st or 2nd qb taken... He has more intangible than the other 2 in Darnald, Rosen may go 1st though.[/quote]

He's Russel Wilson 2.0, dude just makes plays and is accurate on the run.

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[quote=Chico23231;1182223]you found the franchise QB 28 million per...get it done. I don't know about this QB class...everyone scares me.[/quote]

It's all up to Kirk

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Dan Patrick said that he has heard from sources in the locker room, that Redskins WRs do not like Cousins. This is the first Ive ever heard of this....?

Welp, if they are unhappy then get rid of everyone who is....is this a Pryor effect, I do think Garcon had issues last year....is there truth behind this rumor?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1182225]He's Russel Wilson 2.0, dude just makes plays and is accurate on the run.[/quote]

the more i watch him play the more i tihnk he goes 1st over rosen - his performance in the playoff will dictate his draft position i think as well - the guys just got "it" -- and i honestly think "it" is something this team needs...me personally if we had the chance (which we most likely will not b/c the giants will get him with our luck) I would save the money on cousins and upgrade other areas of need and depth in FA and draft him to start day 1 and just roll with it... yes its a boom or bust move but..... its my personal opinion, and nothing other, that we are not going to win with kirk (or maybe just his coach lol) -- we'll see what happens but i think getting mayfield is a pipe dream and i would hate for the rg3 debacle to repeat itself.

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[quote=Chico23231;1182227]Dan Patrick said that he has heard from sources in the locker room, that Redskins WRs do not like Cousins. This is the first Ive ever heard of this....?

Welp, if they are unhappy then get rid of everyone who is....is this a Pryor effect, I do think Garcon had issues last year....is there truth behind this rumor?[/quote]

he struggles with reading the field and misses open guys alot - pressure has something to do with it but he just doesnt react quick enough - i dont see him using hot routes or audibling enough for my liking either - but hes a likeable guy and a class act so maybe its just the consistency aspect of it ..... but lets be real - the wr's dont have much room to talk they havent exactly been a model of greatness... lol

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[quote=Chico23231;1182227]Dan Patrick said that he has heard from sources in the locker room, that Redskins WRs do not like Cousins. This is the first Ive ever heard of this....?

Welp, if they are unhappy then get rid of everyone who is....is this a Pryor effect, I do think Garcon had issues last year....is there truth behind this rumor?[/quote]

Kirk throws to everyone, some Wr's want the ball all game. With as bad as they have played they cant talk much. Ryan Grant is our only reliable WR

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I think Scot was right about KC, he's reached his ceiling. And that's ok, he's good to really good at times. I hope they pay him but if it comes to around 30million then let him test the market. I don't think anyone on the open market would pay him that kind of money.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1182236]I think Scot was right about KC, he's reached his ceiling. And that's ok, he's good to really good at times. I hope they pay him but if it comes to around 30million then let him test the market. I don't think anyone on the open market would pay him that kind of money.[/quote]

If his ceiling is a top 10-12 QB i'll take it all day.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1182238]If his ceiling is a top 10-12 QB i'll take it all day.[/QUOTE]


Exactly, not even sure what the argument against him is all about anymore.

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[quote=MTK;1182239]Exactly, not even sure what the argument against him is all about anymore.[/quote]

the same as it was for Romo, "cant win big games" which I think is a joke

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[quote=skinsfan69;1182236]I think Scot was right about KC, he's reached his ceiling. And that's ok, he's good to really good at times. I hope they pay him but if it comes to around 30million then let him test the market. I don't think anyone on the open market would pay him that kind of money.[/quote]

I don't think KC has reached his ceiling yet. Last year with good WRs he was great and if he had another year with those WRs he'd have been even better this year. Without any kind of WR corps this year he still looked good at times but IMO he didn't look at good as he is this year because he had no weapons to throw to.

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[quote=irish;1182246]I don't think KC has reached his ceiling yet. Last year with good WRs he was great and if he had another year with those WRs he'd have been even better this year. Without any kind of WR corps this year he still looked good at times but IMO he didn't look at good as he is this year because he had no weapons to throw to.[/quote]

At 30 years old I think he is entering his QB prime, don't be surprised if KC is the next Drew Brees when it comes to record numbers. He will shatter the skins records if he stays

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[quote=irish;1182246]I don't think KC has reached his ceiling yet. Last year with good WRs he was great and if he had another year with those WRs he'd have been even better this year. Without any kind of WR corps this year he still looked good at times but IMO he didn't look at good as he is this year because he had no weapons to throw to.[/quote]

Well I wouldn't say he played great last year. If that was the case we would've made the playoffs. But good to very good sure. He was great against the Packers.