Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

On @AroundTheNFL , @MikeGarafolo "The Cardinals asking price is too high for Washington who has now switched focus on college QB's"

Translation = Take a 2nd for Rosen and we have a deal.

That's what I'm guessing anyway

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1221277]On @AroundTheNFL , @MikeGarafolo "The Cardinals asking price is too high for Washington who has now switched focus on college QB's"

Translation = Take a 2nd for Rosen and we have a deal.

That's what I'm guessing anyway[/quote]

No one's going to give a first for Rosen. The question is whether or not the Cardinals decide to keep him or let him go for a 2nd.

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1221280]No one's going to give a first for Rosen. The question is whether or not the Cardinals decide to keep him or let him go for a 2nd.[/quote]

I agree, only NE at 32 maybe and that's a very small chance

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1221281]I agree, only NE at 32 maybe and that's a very small chance[/quote]

New England knows the value of draft picks and do a pretty good job of hoarding them. I doubt they let go of their first rounder for Rosen.

I really think it's us or nobody. Skins won't give up a 1st (It seems) and cardinals want to hold out in the hopes somebody else will. We'll see who gives in first...

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1221281]I agree, only NE at 32 maybe and that's a very small chance[/quote]

I don't think NE is seriously interested in Rosen for a first. They are bargain hunters. Additionally, Brady is still playing at a very high level. I could easily see Brady playing 2-3 more years. Why give up a first round pick for a QB whose rookie deal may expire before Brady retires?

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[quote=sevier2;1221282]New England knows the value of draft picks and do a pretty good job of hoarding them. I doubt they let go of their first rounder for Rosen.

I really think it's us or nobody. Skins won't give up a 1st (It seems) and cardinals want to hold out in the hopes somebody else will. We'll see who gives in first...[/quote]

I think the Cards fold first, give them 46 and case for Rosen and it's a fair deal IMO

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

I hope we don’t trade for Rosen. I’ll be appropriately chastened later if I am wrong, but I don’t trust the guy.


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Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[quote=calia;1221285]I hope we don’t trade for Rosen. I’ll be appropriately chastened later if I am wrong, but I don’t trust the guy.


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I’m fine with him or Haskins , LOCK, GRIER

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1221287]I’m fine with him or Haskins , LOCK, GRIER[/QUOTE]Haskins has a long way to go to be an NFL qb.

He doesn't move in the pocket and is going to get killed.

Grier looks like his throwing motion is going to break his shoulder and elbow.

Lock is far above the other two.

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Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

I 'm reading the Redskins are out of the Rosen deal(for now) and Murray might be headed to the Raiders.

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

What it's just been a loud rumor ?


[url]https://riggosrag.com/2019/04/10/report-redskins-not-actively-chasing-josh-rosen-more-interested-in-college-qbs/[/url]

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1221277]On @AroundTheNFL , @MikeGarafolo "The Cardinals asking price is too high for Washington who has now switched focus on college QB's"

Translation = Take a 2nd for Rosen and we have a deal.

That's what I'm guessing anyway[/quote]

Agreed.
Could be legit, but also could be a leverage move. If you believe it's possible the Redskins may have floated rumors in order to make Guice slide to them, then they definitely could do this.

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

It's lying season. I don't believe anything I hear. I continue to think the trade makes too much sense for both sides.

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[quote=Giantone;1221289]I 'm reading the Redskins are out of the Rosen deal(for now) and Murray might be headed to the Raiders.[/quote]

Rumors will swirl this time of year, we will see come draft day. Either way the Skins will have a new QB so I'm happy with that

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[URL="http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26480541/cardinals-players-come-support-rosen"]Cardinals players come out in support of Rosen[/URL]

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[quote=Schneed10;1221295]It's lying season. I don't believe anything I hear. I continue to think the trade makes too much sense for both sides.[/quote]

This is the time when NFL front office people and coaches lie so much politicians seem truthful compared to them.

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[quote=Schneed10;1221295]It's lying season. I don't believe anything I hear. I continue to think the trade makes too much sense for both sides.[/quote]

Yup.

I just hope the one thing I hear true, stays true...no reaching for QB and No WR at 15.

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[quote=Chico23231;1221299]Yup.

I just hope the one thing I hear true, stays true...no reaching for QB and No WR at 15.[/quote]

Which basically means they'll trade 3 firsts and a third for Haskins :frustrated:

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[quote=Chico23231;1221299]Yup.

I just hope the one thing I hear true, stays true...no reaching for QB and No WR at 15.[/quote]

This

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

@AllProAnalytics

Reports of Redskins not engaging for Josh Rosen are 100% false. The Redskins have engaged in “compensation specific talks” with Cardinals but will not commit until closer to the draft.

I’m told the Redskins like Rosen, Lock, and Grier. Most likely in that order.



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Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[quote=MTK;1221304]@AllProAnalytics

Reports of Redskins not engaging for Josh Rosen are 100% false. The Redskins have engaged in “compensation specific talks” with Cardinals but will not commit until closer to the draft.

I’m told the Redskins like Rosen, Lock, and Grier. Most likely in that order.



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/quote]Does anyone think that the Cardinals will make the trade before draft day?

I do not.

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[quote=MTK;1221304]@AllProAnalytics

Reports of Redskins not engaging for Josh Rosen are 100% false. The Redskins have engaged in “compensation specific talks” with Cardinals but will not commit until closer to the draft.

[B]I’m told the Redskins like Rosen, Lock, and Grier. Most likely in that order.[/B]

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I like that order.

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[quote=los panda;1221306]Does anyone think that the Cardinals will make the trade before draft day?

I do not.[/quote]

I don't think so too, my best guess is they are holding out in hope of convincing one team to up their offer for Rosen until they cannot wait anymore.

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

I have a fear that Rosen may not get moved until after the draft... at which point we offer up our 2020 1st rounder.

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[quote=Schneed10;1221300]Which basically means they'll trade 3 firsts and a third for Haskins :frustrated:[/quote]

Come on, you really think the Redskin's front office will repeat the RG3 mistake?
Ha,ha I don't trust them either.

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

The nfl world is under the assumption that the Cardinals will draft Kyler Murray 1st overall...don't be surprised if they hold on to Rosen, trade back, and get multiple picks to stablize their roster....if I was a GM this notion would come to mind.

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1221312]I have a fear that Rosen may not get moved until after the draft... at which point we offer up our 2020 1st rounder.[/quote]

What gives you that fear? Are you thinking back on a similar situation from a previous draft?

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1221315]The nfl world is under the assumption that the Cardinals will draft Kyler Murray 1st overall...don't be surprised if they hold on to Rosen, trade back, and get multiple picks to stablize their roster....if I was a GM this notion would come to mind.[/quote]

I think we're trading our 2nd round pick for Rosen on draft day.

[url]https://www.reddit.com/r/NFL_Draft/comments/bc9f80/rumor_the_same_reddit_user_who_leaked_kliff/[/url]

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[quote=los panda;1221319]I think we're trading our 2nd round pick for Rosen on draft day.

[url]https://www.reddit.com/r/NFL_Draft/comments/bc9f80/rumor_the_same_reddit_user_who_leaked_kliff/[/url][/quote]

Perhaps....but it still has to come to pass....I for one have a feeling that Kyler Murray will be a huge bust....Rosen to the Redskins has been the rumor for the past few weeks....but we just have to wait and see.....I'm not counting on attaining Rosen....

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

They’ll deal Rosen on draft day or very close to it. Once they draft Murray they lose even more leverage. They won’t wait until after the draft they’ll lose out on a 2019 pick that way.


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Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[quote=los panda;1221317]What gives you that fear? Are you thinking back on a similar situation from a previous draft?[/quote]

Just that the cardinals want a 1st and it doesn't seem like anyone will give it to them. If they don't get it, I can see, from their perspective, preferring to just get a 1st next year as opposed to a 2nd/3rd or whatever else theyre being offered this year.

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1221324]Just that the cardinals want a 1st and it doesn't seem like anyone will give it to them. If they don't get it, I can see, from their perspective, preferring to just get a 1st next year as opposed to a 2nd/3rd or whatever else theyre being offered this year.[/quote]

With that said I hope the rumored deal to trade for Rosen DOESN'T consists of a 2020 1st rounder in addition to the rumored 2nd rounder this year....Allen would be silly enough to make that trade.

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The Cards are not in a "win now" mode. I think they'd rather have a 2020 1st than a 2019 second. Bruce and Jay are both in the hot seat. They'd rather trade a 2020 pick (when its possible one if not both of them will be gone) than lose a pick this year.

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1221327]The Cards are not in a "win now" mode. I think they'd rather have a 2020 1st than a 2019 second. Bruce and Jay are both in the hot seat. They'd rather trade a 2020 pick (when its possible one if not both of them will be gone) than lose a pick this year.[/quote]

Snyder acts like he doesn't have the guts to fire Bruce since his last name is Allen...

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[code][/code][quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1221327]The Cards are not in a "win now" mode. I think they'd rather have a 2020 1st than a 2019 second. Bruce and Jay are both in the hot seat. They'd rather trade a 2020 pick (when its possible one if not both of them will be gone) than lose a pick this year.[/quote]

If I'm GM of a team not expected to "win now", I'm trading my current picks for many more/higher picks in the next draft.

If I'm GM of the Patriots, I'm trolling every other team by publicly offering my 2020 1st for your 2020 1st, straight up.

Something along the lines of "The Chiefs know that they won't beat us in the playoffs, otherwise they'd make the trade."

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[quote=MTK;1221323]They’ll deal Rosen on draft day or very close to it. [B]Once they draft Murray they lose even more leverage.[/B] They won’t wait until after the draft they’ll lose out on a 2019 pick that way.


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Exactly. Deal goes down before the draft starts.

Also a slight possibility the Redskins get on the clock at 15 and none of the college QBs look appetizing, so they'd be in a low leverage situation and the Cards would be in a low leverage situation, which balances out and they come back to the 2nd rounder and do the deal then.

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

On the film look at his feet. Terrible footwork. This guys a project, not ready to start.
Bill Walsh one of the best QB evaluaters always preached footwork is the most important fundamental of QB play. Watch their feet, are they decisive and throw or do they look unsure. Rosen looks unsure.
[URL="https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ho2E4ihqlrU&t=524s#fauxfullscreen"]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ho2E4ihqlrU&t=524s#fauxfullscreen[/URL]

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[quote=Defensewins;1221396]On the film look at his feet. Terrible footwork. This guys a project, not ready to start.
Bill Walsh one of the best QB evaluaters always preached footwork is the most important fundamental of QB play. Watch their feet, are they decisive and throw or do they look unsure. Rosen looks unsure.
[URL="https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ho2E4ihqlrU&t=524s#fauxfullscreen"]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ho2E4ihqlrU&t=524s#fauxfullscreen[/URL][/quote]

Looks like you and I are the only people giving him a thumbs down. I don't like him from what I saw watching a lot of UCLA games. I didn't see him play for the Cardinals. My knocks were lack of signature wins, one of those guys who looked better in the box score than on TV. He put up huge numbers against weak defenses, while making crucial mistakes at the worst possible times against better teams. Does that sound familiar?

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[QUOTE=Buffalo Bob;1221397]Looks like you and I are the only people giving him a thumbs down. I don't like him from what I saw watching a lot of UCLA games. I didn't see him play for the Cardinals. My knocks were lack of signature wins, one of those guys who looked better in the box score than on TV. He put up huge numbers against weak defenses, while making crucial mistakes at the worst possible times against better teams. Does that sound familiar?[/QUOTE]



You’re not the only ones. I’d pass on Rosen for exactly the reasons you’ve identified. Two close friends are huge UCLA fans (watch and dissect every game) and they can’t stand him. They’d echo your assessment.


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Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[quote=Defensewins;1221396]On the film look at his feet. Terrible footwork. This guys a project, not ready to start.
Bill Walsh one of the best QB evaluaters always preached footwork is the most important fundamental of QB play. Watch their feet, are they decisive and throw or do they look unsure. Rosen looks unsure.
[URL="https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ho2E4ihqlrU&t=524s#fauxfullscreen"]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ho2E4ihqlrU&t=524s#fauxfullscreen[/URL][/quote]

This could be one of the issues Charlie Casserly was referring to when he was critical of Rosen during the Comcast Redskins Draft Special. He also said Rosen had an attitude that POed teammates and coaches.

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