Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;1224760]He can be elite and effective for our team but not be worth a first round pick to other teams, because they aren't going to get him on a 5 year rookie deal.

If you are saying trade him to get picks you should at least say what a realistic valid offer is

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If he's not worth a first round pick then why is he so valuable to us? If we can't get a first rounder for him then he can't possibly be as good as you claim he is.

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[QUOTE=httr198020;1224761]If he's not worth a first round pick then why is he so valuable to us?[/QUOTE]Because he is an all pro left tackle who protects our qb and fights through injuries while we have a shot.
Because our next man up is a drop off of considerable proportion.
Because we have a rookie qb and having an all pro left tackle makes one less thing the rookie has to focus on especially early in the season
Because we have a contract with him that has 2 years still on it


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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1224762]Because he is an all pro left tackle who protects our qb and fights through injuries while we have a shot.
Because our next man up is a drop off of considerable proportion.
Because we have a rookie qb and having an all pro left tackle makes one less thing the rookie has to focus on especially early in the season
Because we have a contract with him that has 2 years still on it


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If someone asks why having an All-Pro left tackle is important, I fear the level of intelligent discourse on this board has dropped drastically.

Really I'm just disappointed this list had to be made.

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[quote=mooby;1224763]If someone asks why having an All-Pro left tackle is important, I fear the level of intelligent discourse on this board has dropped drastically.

Really I'm just disappointed this list had to be made.[/quote]

The guy is obviously trying to stir people up. Pretty sure we all know left tackle is the most important lineman as far as protecting a right handed pocket passer.
As far as Trent's trade value the fact he misses 25% of the games and probably has less than 5 years left, diminishes what you would get compared to a typical perennial pro bowler.

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[quote=httr198020;1224761]If he's not worth a first round pick then why is he so valuable to us? If we can't get a first rounder for him then he can't possibly be as good as you claim he is.[/quote]

Are you seriously asking if "Trent Williams" is valuable to the Redskins? As a fan of a team that has struggle to find a decent O lineman anywhere in the last 3-5 years I can tell you that as a team you do what you need to do to keep just not a pro bowl but to keep an [B]"ALL PRO"[/B] left tackle happy.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=mooby;1224763]If someone asks why having an All-Pro left tackle is important, I fear the level of intelligent discourse on this board has dropped drastically.

Really I'm just disappointed this list had to be made.[/quote]

I'll take Trent at 50% over Eric Flowers at 100% any day!

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=Giantone;1224766]I'll take Trent at 50% over Eric Flowers at 100% any day![/quote]

Yeah, well you're welcome to have Flowers back. Maybe Gettleman will send a pick our way for him?

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[quote=Giantone;1224766]I'll take Trent at 50% over Eric Flowers at 100% any day![/quote]

+1 G1.

It speaks magnitudes that someone in our front office not only thought Flowers was a good player, or that he could be salvageable by moving to guard, but by liking him so much we offered him guaranteed money in the form of a signing bonus.

I wish we knew who so my opinion of them could be a little lower.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=Giantone;1224765]Are you seriously asking if "Trent Williams" is valuable to the Redskins? As a fan of a team that has struggle to find a decent O lineman anywhere in the last 3-5 years I can tell you that as a team you do what you need to do to keep just not a pro bowl but to keep an [B]"ALL PRO"[/B] left tackle happy.[/quote] I don't think you're comprehending the point. If he's an "all pro" we should be able to get a first round pick for him, right?

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=httr198020;1224785]I don't think you're comprehending the point. If he's an "all pro" we should be able to get a first round pick for him, right?[/quote]

Do you know what's in his contract becuase I don't maybe he has a no trade contract ?

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[quote=calia;1224780]Yeah, well you're welcome to have Flowers back. Maybe Gettleman will send a pick our way for him?[/quote]

Hell to the [B]NO![/B]

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[QUOTE=httr198020;1224785]I don't think you're comprehending the point. If he's an "all pro" we should be able to get a first round pick for him, right?[/QUOTE]No, but not because of talent level instead because of length of contract and durabilty concerns.



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[quote=mooby;1224783]+1 G1.

It speaks magnitudes that someone in our front office not only thought Flowers was a good player, or that he could be salvageable by moving to guard, but by liking him so much we offered him guaranteed money in the form of a signing bonus.

I wish we knew who so my opinion of them could be a little lower.[/quote]

This is just some of what Eric Flowers will do for your team.................


[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNWSMsTDuMU[/url]

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[quote=Giantone;1224906]This is just some of what Eric Flowers will do for your team.................


[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNWSMsTDuMU[/url][/quote]

I feel pretty comfortable in saying that Flowers' only role with this team will be a backup guard - if he even makes the roster.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1224914]I feel pretty comfortable in saying that Flowers' only role with this team will be a backup guard - if he even makes the roster.[/quote]

[url]http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001034152/article/redskins-planning-to-start-ereck-flowers-at-left-guard[/url]

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=Giantone;1224788]Hell to the [B]NO![/B][/quote]
Flowers is such a bum he doesn't even deserve to be a back up on the practice squad.

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I am worried about Trent no being here. What is the plan?
To me, the only viable LT on the team is our current RT Moses....so could we roll with that and move sherrif from rg to rt? When drafted he was projected as a possible rt. We can fill in the guard slots with the 2 new draft picks. Is that a viable backup plan? I would be curious if they practice that way a few times. No one else on the squad could do LT in my eyes

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

Trent will be there. His base salary this year is $11M, meaning each game check is $687,000. Plus he’s got roster bonuses due that pay him another $15,000 for each game he plays in, so essentially $700K per game.

That’s all his contract says he’ll get this season.

So even if Bruce plays a hardball game of chicken with him, Trent will be there week 1. It’s too much money to give up. He has no reason to show to training camp - why risk injury when you’ve got $700K per game coming. But he has every reason to be there week one.

And besides the team likely sees the sense in extending him some and giving him a bump in pay. Will it be enough to satisfy him? Don’t know, but he’ll be there week one.

The last guy to sit out games in a similar circumstance was Le’Veon Bell and his Jets contract didn’t end up making up the dollars lost by sitting.

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[quote=Schneed10;1225117]Trent will be there. His base salary this year is $11M, meaning each game check is $687,000. Plus he’s got roster bonuses due that pay him another $15,000 for each game he plays in, so essentially $700K per game.

That’s all his contract says he’ll get this season.

So even if Bruce plays a hardball game of chicken with him, Trent will be there week 1. It’s too much money to give up. He has no reason to show to training camp - why risk injury when you’ve got $700K per game coming. But he has every reason to be there week one.

And besides the team likely sees the sense in extending him some and giving him a bump in pay. Will it be enough to satisfy him? Don’t know, but he’ll be there week one.

The last guy to sit out games in a similar circumstance was Le’Veon Bell and his Jets contract didn’t end up making up the dollars lost by sitting.[/quote]

We should trade Trent right now!

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Trent has tremendous leverage. If he does not play the Redskins do not have any back-up and will be lucky to win 5 games. Moses to LT and Sherff to RT will not work.... Moses is a mediocre RT and would be a terrible LT and Scherff was a bust at tackle as a rookie.

A RB is much easier to replace than a LT. Bell obviously made a foolish decision.

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Uh, we still need a backup plan at LT, if Moses can't do it, who can??

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[quote=skinsnut;1225128]Uh, we still need a backup plan at LT, if Moses can't do it, who can??[/quote]

Flower Power!

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

You must be on the same drugs as those that coined that phrase.

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I love Trent. If he doesn't wanna be here let him go.
He's aging and he's been hurt a lot.
He's a great LT and a tough one. I'd rather him be in DC
for life! I was hoping we'd draft an eventual replacement,,,

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=Schneed10;1225117]Trent will be there. His base salary this year is $11M, meaning each game check is $687,000. Plus he’s got roster bonuses due that pay him another $15,000 for each game he plays in, so essentially $700K per game.

That’s all his contract says he’ll get this season.

So even if Bruce plays a hardball game of chicken with him, Trent will be there week 1. It’s too much money to give up. He has no reason to show to training camp - why risk injury when you’ve got $700K per game coming. But he has every reason to be there week one.

And besides the team likely sees the sense in [B]extending him[/B] some and giving him a bump in pay. Will it be enough to satisfy him? Don’t know, but he’ll be there week one.

The last guy to sit out games in a similar circumstance was Le’Veon Bell and his Jets contract didn’t end up making up the dollars lost by sitting.[/quote]

Is there a way to pay him more without extending him? Bonus money, perhaps? I really dislike the idea of extending the contracts of older players.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=Luxorreb;1225172]I love Trent. If he doesn't wanna be here let him go.
He's aging and he's been hurt a lot.
He's a great LT and a tough one. I'd rather him be in DC
for life! I was hoping we'd draft an eventual replacement,,,[/quote]

I just we cant just let him go...Its the braintrust (tongue in cheek) job to smooth it over before camp and bring him back in the fold. Trent doesn't have an option. If things only get much worse should be explore trade option

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[quote=Chico23231;1225177]I just we cant just let him go...Its the braintrust (tongue in cheek) job to smooth it over before camp and bring him back in the fold. Trent doesn't have an option. If things only get much worse should be explore trade option[/quote]

In b4 Bruce Allen tells the media,"we're working on a new deal with Tront Williams right now"

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=KI Skins Fan;1225176]Is there a way to pay him more without extending him? Bonus money, perhaps? I really dislike the idea of extending the contracts of older players.[/quote]

Yes that's possible. Though it would increase his cap hit in those two seasons.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=Schneed10;1225181]Yes that's possible. Though it would increase his cap hit in those two seasons.[/quote]

Thanks. We'll see what happens. I think they'll get a new deal done. It makes sense for both sides.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

So you think this is about money not injuries?

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[quote=Giantone;1225195]So you think this is about money not injuries?[/quote]

I do, yes.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=Schneed10;1225199]I do, yes.[/quote]

When it’s never about the money, it’s ALWAYS about the money

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=Giantone;1225195]So you think this is about money not injuries?[/quote]

Of course. Don't you?

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"Money isn't everything but it's WAY ahead of whatever is in second place."

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I say trade Trent Williams right now!

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[quote=httr198020;1225208]I say trade Trent Williams right now![/quote]

If you do it is a clear sign they are going into rebuilding mode. Gruden will be gone too. Then Reed, Norman, Sherff, Richardson, and Peterson. They will need 3 to 5 years to be respectable.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

We have a few more good years with Trent Williams. But the high draft picks the team has been using to build the DL are going to have to swing back to the OL in the next few years.

Re: Trent Williams holding out for new deal
 

[quote=Chico23231;1225201]When it’s never about the money, it’s ALWAYS about the money[/quote]

I think ego drives the need to want more money, he believes he deserves to be the highest paid tackle and he no longer is. No me he doesn't deserve to be paid the highest because of durability issues, which aren't going to improve with age.

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