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Dan has become Al Davis.
This will be the offseason of Jim Zorn V2.0.

Greg Manusky will be the 2020 HC of the Redskins.

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[QUOTE=SolidSnake84;1238418]Didn't it come out after Jay's firing that Jay wanted Manusky gone but he (Gruden) did not have the power to hire / fire staff?[/QUOTE]He and Bill Callahan hated each other the whole time.

I don't believe Jay had the power to do much more than draft a dude in the 5th round.

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[quote=Defensewins;1238410]
Leadership, teaching, mentoring player evaluation and organizational skills are just as important.
I think it was Jimmy Johnson or Tony Kornheiser or Micheal Wilbon that said yesterday the that the state of coaching in the NFL is the worst we have seen is 50 years.[/quote]

I think a big part of that is the state the players are in when they arrive in the NFL today. A Dwayne Haskins with extremely poor fundamentals was an extreme rarity decades ago, now they are common place. I think it is an effect of the lack of discipline and the levels of contact in practice from days gone by. Combine that with the win at all cost attitude of some of the major college programs and you have the end result of what you see today.

I think the trend away from negative reinforcement toward "atta boys" and participation trophies has had a negative effect. Back when I played in High School and College 40 years ago your typical coach at those levels was the Vince Lombardi hard ass type. Dumb mistakes were meet with a reward of running laps, wind sprints or being called out and embarrassed in front of your teammates.

These days I read where High School coaches have been fired for cussing at players. I see players walk off the field while committing stupid personal foul penalties without being confronted by a coach or fellow players. I could only image what would happen to a player if they did the "dog peeing" act celebrating a touchdown if Woody Hayes was coaching them.

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Here is a thought and I haven't seen it asked before. If we can Bruce and bring in a new GM. The GM will most likely bring in his people, including a head coach and medical staff.

Would Trent come back? He has said many times, his issue is not with Dan but with Bruce.

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1238446]Here is a thought and I haven't seen it asked before. If we can Bruce and bring in a new GM. The GM will most likely bring in his people, including a head coach and medical staff.

[B]Would Trent come back?[/B] He has said many times, his issue is not with Dan but with Bruce.[/quote]

Why would you want him back, after what he pulled? We probably will never know the whole story, but it was pretty obvious Trent had plenty of responsibility toward the break down of the relationship with the team. Common sense should have dictated he should have immediately sought medical treatment outside of the team doctors.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1238448]Why would you want him back, after what he pulled? We probably will never know the whole story, but it was pretty obvious Trent had plenty of responsibility toward the break down of the relationship with the team. Common sense should have dictated he should have immediately sought medical treatment outside of the team doctors.[/quote]

I agree with everything you said. We have a lot of holes to fill and limit draft picks. Getting one more year out of him would help.

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[QUOTE=Buffalo Bob;1238448]Why would you want him back, after what he pulled? We probably will never know the whole story, but it was pretty obvious Trent had plenty of responsibility toward the break down of the relationship with the team. Common sense should have dictated he should have immediately sought medical treatment outside of the team doctors.[/QUOTE]



I just cannot fathom that after years of TW giving his all to this organization(knowing how dysfunctional it was) that he suddenly went full jerk off. Like you said we don’t know the whole story.
That being said there is no way he comes back Bruce or no Bruce. And even if he would this dipshit owner will make sure the worst gm in the league comes back before a HOF LT does.

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[quote=punch it in;1238455]I just cannot fathom that after years of TW giving his all to this organization(knowing how dysfunctional it was) that he suddenly went full jerk off. Like you said we don’t know the whole story.
That being said there is no way he comes back Bruce or no Bruce. And even if he would this dipshit owner will make sure the worst gm in the league comes back before a HOF LT does.[/quote]

I don't think its as complicated as it seems if you sift through all the noise and look at what we do know. The timeline is pretty clear, even from Trent's perspective, that this all started when he asked Allen to redo his contract to give him more guaranteed money and Allen said No.

If Trent [I]really[/I] had an issue with the way the team handled the medical situation, he would have filed a grievance with the NFLPA. But he didn't. Instead, when the team petitioned the league and NFLPA to investigate, Trent refused to allow it.

Its abundantly clear that, although there are probably a lot of emotions and hard feelings involved on both sides, this really is all about money. The Redskins made Trent the highest paid LT in the league. They gave him a front-loaded deal, which means they paid him more money in the early years, and no guaranteed money in the last year. Trent knew the contract he was getting when he signed it - it favored him, not the team. So really, by asking for a new deal when he did, he was trying to have his cake and eat it to. He was essentially wanting every year that he plays to have a high amount of the money guaranteed, but that's not the deal he signed.

Bruce Allen is a lying snake and he needs to go. But so is Trent and so does he. If we really want to change the culture here, we cant tolerate the behavior of either of them.

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If Bruce is canned and suddenly TW is cool with playing here I’d take him back, but I’d also consider trade offers for him


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[quote=MTK;1238469]If Bruce is canned and suddenly TW is cool with playing here I’d take him back, but I’d also consider trade offers for him


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That would require a new contract.

I cant imagine a new coach/GM would want to give significant money to an older player with injury concerns, risk of suspension, who held out a year over greed and threw the organization under the bus. But who knows, maybe they would decide he was enough of a talent upgrade over Penn or a similar veteran to be worth it.

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I would 100% bring him back. He could still be a dominant LT for another 3ish seasons. One less hole to fill and 1 more pick to fill another hole. I don't see it happening under any circumstance so it's probably moot.

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[quote=MTK;1238469]If Bruce is canned and suddenly TW is cool with playing here I’d take him back, but I’d also consider trade offers for him


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I would too but if it takes a lane Johnson type of extension, pass

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[quote=Chico23231;1238478]I would too but if it takes a lane Johnson type of extension, pass[/quote]

Tear up the last year of this contract and offer him a 3 year deal that is for good guaranteed money but not a super high overall amount per year. But yeah, if he wants the moon, no thanks.

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I love Trent but Id trade him ... even for a 2nd at this point. Create some cap space, get some resources back .... but hes never suiting up for us again.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1238413][B]If we were to somehow land a proven elite coach, I'd be all for signing him to a longer than normal contact, for just that reason. [/B] Perhaps nothing as crazy as the 10 year deal Gruden got, but more than the usual 4 years than is usually given to the lower-tier guys.

If we can get the right coach and GM, i'd love to do what SF did when they gave Shanahan and Lynch 6 year contracts right off the bat. Giving them that commitment right off the bat so they both know they have some time and aren't under the pressure to sacrifice the long-term to win now.[/quote]

A proven elite coach would not come to be under the wrath of Dan Snyder unless he was given a sweet deal he could not get anywhere else. Unless of course he was an ex-player who was starting to have mental issues from CTE and wasn't thinking clearly.

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The news about Snyder’s HC’s search is that NONE of the competent HC want to come here with Bruce Allen as GM. That perhaps is the REAL final nail in the coffin for BA. Snyder has seen the “FireBruceAllen” movement grow and grow and seen the fan base shrink and shrink. Ten years ago Snyder fired his last lackey, Vinny Cerrato when the media and fan pressure rose to current unfavorable levels. It’s an easy move and may give Snyder the ability to actually hire a highly talented HC. The new HC may also want assurances that Snyder will stay out of football decisions. Snyder has almost always gone with offensive-oriented HC so I don’t see him changing this time, especially with Haskins needing good coaching.

I agree with prior comments that it doesn’t matter whether we have a Offensive or Defensive-minded HC. But Snyder is simple in his thinking and will go for a offensive-leaning coach to bring up Haskins. Only by firing Bruce Allen can we get the coaching talent this team has lacked. I especially think a very good DC will instantly improve the Defense into the top half of the NFL. The defense is young and has some core talent IF JUST COACHED BETTER. Again, only by firing BA, can Snyder hire the HC and DC the team needs to really change.

Finally, I wonder if Snyder is worried about the NFL itself. Snyder is considered a loser and incompetent by most, if not all, the other owners. But Snyder’s continued mistakes is hurting the NFL image. The NFL is doing everything it can to ignore the rapidly eroding Redskin home stadium fan base. There are no tv shots of the whole sections of empty seats or the vast number of opposing team jerseys - nor any discussion by the tv commentators on this subject. Will the NFL allow Snyder to further destroy what’s left of the fan base with another 10 years of management buffoonery and poor football? That may be the biggest reason why Bruce is dumped after the SB this year!


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I think the reason Dan is befriending Alex Smith is he's going to need a new BFF after he finally fires Bruce. If Snyder wasn't rich would anyone hang around the guy?

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Now this I would be all in favor to hire him!!

[url]https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/redskins-have-interest-in-stanfords-david-shaw-who-is-expected-to-be-in-heavy-demand-for-nfl-openings/[/url]

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1238591]I think the reason Dan is befriending Alex Smith is he's going to need a new BFF after he finally fires Bruce. If Snyder wasn't rich would anyone hang around the guy?[/QUOTE]



Snyder is a billionaire loser who has to hire protégés like Vinny Cerrato and Bruce Allen to be his buddy. Too bad neither of these guys knew squat about winning football although Bruce was good at winning “off the field”. Lol.


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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1238593]Now this I would be all in favor to hire him!!

[url]https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/redskins-have-interest-in-stanfords-david-shaw-who-is-expected-to-be-in-heavy-demand-for-nfl-openings/[/url][/quote]

Idk what would change this year that would make David Shaw come to the NFL, but even if he wanted to I think he would think twice about working for one of the worst FO's in the NFL.

[quote=CBS Sports]
Sources said Dan Snyder is beginning to understand the gravity of his situation and that major changes could be coming to the Skins front office this week.
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At least we have quotes like this to have faith in though. Come on Dan! The path forward gets clearer by the day.

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[url]https://twitter.com/Russellmania621/status/1203834717507903488?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1203834717507903488&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2Fe82fir%3Fresponsive%3Dtrue%26is_nightmode%3Dfalse[/url]

I know it's Chris Russell but fuuuuuuuuuuuuuck I wanna get my hopes up.

[quote=Chris Russell]
Just mentioned on
@1067theFan
- I was told things were "red hot" in Green Bay after the game. Even before, a lot of coaches & people very concerned about short-term future.

I firmly believe there's very little chance Bruce Allen survives this.
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Can anyone tell me how the HC of Stanford is being considered as a HC of an NFL team. I don’t know squat about college football nor this guys history. Is this another Steve Spurrier Snyder move?


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We’d be extremely fortunate to land Shaw


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[quote=mooby;1238926][url]https://twitter.com/Russellmania621/status/1203834717507903488?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1203834717507903488&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2Fe82fir%3Fresponsive%3Dtrue%26is_nightmode%3Dfalse[/url]

I know it's Chris Russell but fuuuuuuuuuuuuuck I wanna get my hopes up.[/quote]

Chris Russell is a gossipy bitch. The way he reports just turns me off to the guy. He sounds like a 12 year old girl. Could he at least give an example as to why things were "hot" in Green Bay? Russell is just such a major tool.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1238965]Chris Russell is a gossipy bitch. The way he reports just turns me off to the guy. He sounds like a 12 year old girl. Could he at least give an example as to why things were "hot" in Green Bay? Russell is just such a major tool.[/quote]

Seriously, dude is a tool

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[QUOTE=MTK;1238935]We’d be extremely fortunate to land Shaw


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Tell us more about him? He hasn’t taken offers to HC jobs before - why come here?

The good thing about Snyder’s search for a high caliber HC is great for every Redskins fan who wants to dump Bruce Allen. A HC coming hear has leverage over Snyder and can dictate his terms :

1. Fire Bruce
2. Give him a say in player acquisition- draft or FA
3. Reduce or eliminate Snyder’s control on football decisions for the team.
4. 5 year contract with guaranteed money

ANY HC Who comes here with those preconditions will do well, because the team has dived so low. Snyder may have to fundamentally change how this team has operated for 20 years to get the shiny and flashy HC he wants


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Shaw is pretty widely respected as a HC from his time at Stanford, and he's got a lot of experience as an assistant in the NFL. [URL="https://247sports.com/Article/David-Shaw-NFL-Washington-Redskins-coaching-search-candidates-Stanford-Cardinals-Pac-12-college-football-140100039/"]He's been on several team's short lists in recent years including the Skins.[/URL]

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[QUOTE=MTK;1239040]Shaw is pretty widely respected as a HC from his time at Stanford, and he's got a lot of experience as an assistant in the NFL. [URL="https://247sports.com/Article/David-Shaw-NFL-Washington-Redskins-coaching-search-candidates-Stanford-Cardinals-Pac-12-college-football-140100039/"]He's been on several team's short lists in recent years including the Skins.[/URL][/QUOTE]



The only way ANY top class HC comes here is if BA is gone. In fact, the entire management style and philosophy of the team for the last 20 years has to be changed. Eight HC have worked under Snyder and all have failed (including two HOFers). Snyder has a fairly easy path toward success, but it involves giving up on BA and his insistence on being involved in football decisions even though he has little actual NFL knowledge.

If he hires a top end HC, then he’s willing to make the changes. If he hires from within the organization, or some wacko choice like Zorn, then it’s just more of the same.


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It doesn't matter at all. Snyder has the mark of beast and we all know it.

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[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28276535/ranking-best-worst-potential-nfl-head-coaching-openings-2019?fbclid=IwAR3-WFXUIPqhh9eEOGVRAzr9YxKMHN-oowILXwVkM-LykUl3Gbgru7jGCGc[/url]

"The Redskins are the NY Knicks of the NFL"

Yikes

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On Tuesday, Pro Football Network’s Benjamin Allbright reported that Bieniemy is considered Washington owner Dan Snyder’s front runner for his team’s coaching vacancy. The Athletic’s Ben Standig confirmed that Bieniemy is indeed on the team’s short list, according to a source with knowledge of candidates of interest to Washington. Wednesday, NBC Sports Washington’s J.P. Finlay reported that quarterback Alex Smith has Snyder’s ear, and it isn’t a stretch to believe that he could sway the owner towards Bieniemy, who was the Kansas City Chiefs running backs coach from 2013-17 when Smith was the quarterback.

The Athletic spoke to a source close to Bieniemy, who said it’s likely Smith is also talking to Bieniemy about the situation in Washington, as well as Bieniemy asking the quarterback about the team and how he feels about it. The source said the reason Bieniemy wasn’t interested in the Cincinnati Bengals opening last year was because of questions about the team’s quarterback situation. The source doesn’t exactly know how Bieniemy feels about Washington’s rookie quarterback Dwayne Haskins. Still, young players such as running back Derrius Guice, receivers Terry McLaurin, Kelvin Harmon, and Steven Sims could be of interest.

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[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnytlIk5z_k[/url]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1239265]On Tuesday, Pro Football Network’s Benjamin Allbright reported that Bieniemy is considered Washington owner Dan Snyder’s front runner for his team’s coaching vacancy. The Athletic’s Ben Standig confirmed that Bieniemy is indeed on the team’s short list, according to a source with knowledge of candidates of interest to Washington. Wednesday, NBC Sports Washington’s J.P. Finlay reported that quarterback Alex Smith has Snyder’s ear, and it isn’t a stretch to believe that he could sway the owner towards Bieniemy, who was the Kansas City Chiefs running backs coach from 2013-17 when Smith was the quarterback.

The Athletic spoke to a source close to Bieniemy, who said it’s likely Smith is also talking to Bieniemy about the situation in Washington, as well as Bieniemy asking the quarterback about the team and how he feels about it. The source said the reason Bieniemy wasn’t interested in the Cincinnati Bengals opening last year was because of questions about the team’s quarterback situation. The source doesn’t exactly know how Bieniemy feels about Washington’s rookie quarterback Dwayne Haskins. Still, young players such as running back Derrius Guice, receivers Terry McLaurin, Kelvin Harmon, and Steven Sims could be of interest.[/quote]

Now Alex Smith is DS's adviser, seriously can this get anymore funny?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1239265]On Tuesday, Pro Football Network’s Benjamin Allbright reported that Bieniemy is considered Washington owner Dan Snyder’s front runner for his team’s coaching vacancy. The Athletic’s Ben Standig confirmed that Bieniemy is indeed on the team’s short list, according to a source with knowledge of candidates of interest to Washington. Wednesday, NBC Sports Washington’s J.P. Finlay reported that quarterback Alex Smith has Snyder’s ear, and it isn’t a stretch to believe that he could sway the owner towards Bieniemy, who was the Kansas City Chiefs running backs coach from 2013-17 when Smith was the quarterback.

The Athletic spoke to a source close to Bieniemy, who said it’s likely Smith is also talking to Bieniemy about the situation in Washington, as well as Bieniemy asking the quarterback about the team and how he feels about it. The source said the reason Bieniemy wasn’t interested in the Cincinnati Bengals opening last year was because of questions about the team’s quarterback situation. The source doesn’t exactly know how Bieniemy feels about Washington’s rookie quarterback Dwayne Haskins. [B]Still, young players such as running back Derrius Guice, receivers Terry McLaurin, Kelvin Harmon, and Steven Sims could be of interest.[/quote][/B]

I think any OC would like to work with these pieces. Also don't forget about Love who may be a long shot but still was clearly the best back in the country two years ago. Haskins? I think that will be a hang up. Someone may not want to be forced to develop such a project.

But I think we can get a good coach here as long as he has authority over his staff and the roster.

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[quote=mredskins;1239269]Now Alex Smith is DS's adviser, seriously can this get anymore funny?[/quote]

We all know Dan needs friends. He's soured on Bruce so someone has to take his place.

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It will be very interesting to see if any of the top coaches on the “list” will embrace Haskins .. there is enough tape on Dwayne for them to see what they have to work with .. firing Bruce is number one priority in getting a top coach but don’t underestimate the QB role in the hire.. I would love to see Dwayne become the man however I’ve seen very little to give me hope..

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1239269]Now Alex Smith is DS's adviser, seriously can this get anymore funny?[/QUOTE]


Better him than Bruce



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[QUOTE=mredskins;1239269]Now Alex Smith is DS's adviser, seriously can this get anymore funny?[/QUOTE]I am good with AS as DS' advisor. If he is going to be nosy at least let the guy talking in his ear actually know football.

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I would take an EB / Ron Rivera combo

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[quote=MTK;1239278]Better him than Bruce



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We're talking somebody who has actually played the game of football, knows football, vs. someone whose only connection to football is his dad being a football coach.