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From the bits and pieces I have seen of his news conference Ron Rivera isn't going to be honoring any of the Club Jay membership cards. It will be interesting to see how everything shakes out. It will definitely have a good long term benefit, but there maybe more of an intial roster purge than expected.

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Welp, Im officially motivated and will be returning to a Redskins game the coming season.

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I have followed Ron Rivera since his collegiate days at Cal. Heck, I even attended a Cal pre-game pep rally where he gave a pep talk! I love his grittiness & toughness and, IMO, he fits the old Redskin culture. I think he will be a great hire. This is the first time I've been excited to be a Redskin fan in quite some time. Bring on 2020!

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[quote=OldSkinsGuy;1241855]I have followed Ron Rivera since his collegiate days at Cal. Heck, I even attended a Cal pre-game pep rally where he gave a pep talk! I love his grittiness & toughness and, IMO, he fits the old Redskin culture. I think he will be a great hire. This is the first time I've been excited to be a Redskin fan in quite some time. Bring on 2020![/quote]

He was a stud at Cal, same goes for Del Rio at USC.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1241846]From the bits and pieces I have seen of his news conference Ron Rivera isn't going to be honoring any of the Club Jay membership cards. It will be interesting to see how everything shakes out. It will definitely have a good long term benefit, but there maybe more of an intial roster purge than expected.[/quote]

In the keim article on espn he said that he believes he can win with the current roster. I'm sure there will be some cuts and changing (obviously), but it also sounds like he feels he can do well with the squad hes inheriting.
I'll be honest...the more I read from Rivera, the more I'm getting that kool aid taste in my mouth.

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[quote=OnceWeWereKings;1241860]In the keim article on espn he said that he believes he can win with the current roster. I'm sure there will be some cuts and changing (obviously), but it also sounds like he feels he can do well with the squad hes inheriting.
I'll be honest...the more I read from Rivera, the more I'm getting that kool aid taste in my mouth.[/quote]

Our roster is stacked with young talent on both sides, Gruden and Manusky couldn’t tap the talent or coach these guys.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1241865]Our roster is stacked with young talent on both sides, Gruden and Manusky couldn’t tap the talent or coach these guys.[/quote]

I agree. I dont think we've seen the roster play a complete 60 minutes of football in the last 2 years. We were consistently Ill prepared, and rarely had the juice going into a game.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1241865]Our roster is stacked with young talent on both sides, Gruden and Manusky couldn’t tap the talent or coach these guys.[/quote]

because they are not motivators

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[QUOTE=OmahaRedskins;1241821]I took it a a joke, but i have to admit, it was awkward. I thought i had an issue with public speaking. Now i understand why he doesn't speak to the media.[/QUOTE]



He’s like watching King George VI in the beginning of the movie “Kings Speech”!


Snyder did it though on live tv, in front of a hostile audience (media), while clearly lacking the skills to speak in a relaxed, inspiring and deliberate manner. IT SHOWS HOW MUCH HE WANTS RIVERA AND TO BUILD A WINNING CULTURE AND TEAM!


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Yes call me floored we have now Rivera and Del Rio. Gotta hand it to DS. I read an article stating that Gibbs helped out a lot in this. Also, DS got emotional talking about his love for the Redskins with Rivera. That is awesome! Sometimes, all these changes since Monday feel like a dream. But it's real lol.

HTTR!

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[quote=OnceWeWereKings;1241866]I agree. I dont think we've seen the roster play a complete 60 minutes of football in the last 2 years. We were consistently Ill prepared, and rarely had the juice going into a game.[/quote]

Zac Kerin
Luke Bowanko
Austin Howard
Timon Parris
Kyle Fuller
Jonathan Cooper

^^ guys who played on our O line last year. Maybe you recognize Jonathan Cooper or Kyle Fuller (but as the CB for the Bears and not the OL guy)

2018 7-9 w a ton of injuries and Mark Sanchez and Josh Jackson playing QB.

2017 7-9 w a ton of injuries. That was the missed opportunity year. Injuries just decimated our chances.

2016 8-7-1

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Im a Jay Gruden fan to a degree. He wasnt in the top 5 of the list of problems for his time here. Injuries and never getting a good D Coord (no one wanted to come work for Allen and Skins) railroaded our chances when we had Kirk.

7-9
7-9
8-7-1

^^ not bad results for the injuries we had. I dont agree with making Jay the scape goat and reason for this teams ails.

Hed be a great OC just not a HC for a team like this.

edit - Im not letting this DOA year where he clearly threw in the towel to color his entire time here. jay was better than we deserved just wasnt the right guy for this job.

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Scott Turner is interviewing? Not sure how I feel about that, or why would he want to come here since Snyder basically treated his dad like shit.

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LMAO at G1 being the only one to give this hire an F

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[quote=skinsfan69;1241887]Scott Turner is interviewing? Not sure how I feel about that, or why would he want to come here since Snyder basically treated his dad like shit.[/quote]

This may be the only OC interview he gets. Hes still young, inexperienced and the new Panthers Coach (when they pick one) may very well not retain him.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1241887]Scott Turner is interviewing? Not sure how I feel about that, [B]or why would he want to come here since Snyder basically treated his dad like shit[/B].[/quote]

I'm gonna take a wild guess and say it's because he'd like the opportunity to continue and/or advance his career in the NFL while also working with a coach he knows and respects in Rivera.

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[quote=mooby;1241891]I'm gonna take a wild guess and say it's because he'd like the opportunity to continue and/or advance his career in the NFL while also working with a coach he knows and respects in Rivera.[/quote]

Money talks and bull shit walks. Plus memories fade after time.

8 years ago, i worked for a company as a consultant. My boss came to me and said his boss did not like the current arrangement. I needed to work more hours or take a pay cut. I walked and 6 months later i returned as the manager. Last year, the same guy (who is no longer a director) comes to me and really needed a favor. He asks me if i could hire his son. His son had been out of work for a while and needed employment. I asked him if he remembered 8 years ago and the ultimatum. He had forgotten the whole incident. In short, it was just business and you do what you have to do to get ahead.

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1241901]Money talks and bull shit walks. Plus memories fade after time.

8 years ago, i worked for a company as a consultant. My boss came to me and said his boss did not like the current arrangement. I needed to work more hours or take a pay cut. I walked and 6 months later i returned as the manager. Last year, the same guy (who is no longer a director) comes to me and really needed a favor. He asks me if i could hire his son. His son had been out of work for a while and needed employment. I asked him if he remembered 8 years ago and the ultimatum. He had forgotten the whole incident. In short, it was just business and you do what you have to do to get ahead.[/quote]

Nah, I like my imaginary version better, where Norv Turner and Dan Snyder are still bitter enemies to this day and Norv forbids his son from working for a sheisty bitch like Dan.

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1241901]Money talks and bull shit walks. Plus memories fade after time.

8 years ago, i worked for a company as a consultant. My boss came to me and said his boss did not like the current arrangement. I needed to work more hours or take a pay cut. I walked and 6 months later i returned as the manager. Last year, the same guy (who is no longer a director) comes to me and really needed a favor. He asks me if i could hire his son. His son had been out of work for a while and needed employment. I asked him if he remembered 8 years ago and the ultimatum. He had forgotten the whole incident. In short, it was just business and you do what you have to do to get ahead.[/quote]

So did you hire the guys kid?!?! Come’on, don’t leave me hangin’ !!!!

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I hired the kid. He was the best candidate for the position. It wasn’t his fault his dad was an idiot.

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[quote]
Im a Jay Gruden fan to a degree. He wasnt in the top 5 of the list of problems for his time here. Injuries and never getting a good D Coord (no one wanted to come work for Allen and Skins) railroaded our chances when we had Kirk.

7-9
7-9
8-7-1

^^ not bad results for the injuries we had. I dont agree with making Jay the scape goat and reason for this teams ails.

Hed be a great OC just not a HC for a team like this.

edit - Im not letting this DOA year where he clearly threw in the towel to color his entire time here. jay was better than we deserved just wasnt the right guy for this job.[/quote]

Jay, as a skins coach, was 35-49-1.
I dont care about excuses such as injuries. I just dont care. It was 100% on bruce allen and jay.
Other teams have injuries, and make the playoffs. Our seasons declined steadily with jay at the helm..
The amount of times we came into a game or into the 2nd half without making any adjustments, or any solid gameplan was mind blowing.
Bottom line, good coaches win. Bad coaches dont.
To say he is a great/good coach, but follow that with his statistical .418 winning percentage is like saying stalin was a good guy aside from his questionable politics.
I blame Jay's practices and light hearted attitude towards preparation to blame for the amount of injuries, and our ineptitude on third downs and second half performances. He was way in over his head as a head coach...it just added to the total cluster fuck this org. Has become over the last decade.

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I like that Rivera hasn't won a SB. I think getting to the game and not winning it has to have given him internal fuel to am already passionate desire. Couple that with Dan's fanboy desire to recreate the glory years of the franchise and I think you could see a bond forged that will get them past many of the pitfalls of the past 20 years. It takes winning of course. But I believe Rivera can be the coach that brings the best out of DS.

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[quote=OnceWeWereKings;1241961][B]Jay, as a skins coach, was 35-49-1.[/B]
I dont care about excuses such as injuries. I just dont care. It was 100% on bruce allen and jay.
Other teams have injuries, and make the playoffs. Our seasons declined steadily with jay at the helm..
The amount of times we came into a game or into the 2nd half without making any adjustments, or any solid gameplan was mind blowing.
Bottom line, good coaches win. Bad coaches dont.
To say he is a great/good coach, but follow that with his statistical .418 winning percentage is like saying stalin was a good guy aside from his questionable politics.
I blame Jay's practices and light hearted attitude towards preparation to blame for the amount of injuries, and our ineptitude on third downs and second half performances. He was way in over his head as a head coach...it just added to the total cluster fuck this org. Has become over the last decade.[/quote]

If you apply the Snyder factor where coaches under Snyder only win 70% of the games they have won elsewhere, Gruden would be a somewhat respectable 50-34-1. Just look what Gibbs, Marty and Shanny did when they weren't under Snyder's wrath. Those guys were a combined 62-82 working under Snyder.

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[QUOTE=Buffalo Bob;1241966]If you apply the Snyder factor where coaches under Snyder only win 70% of the games they have won elsewhere, Gruden would be a somewhat respectable 50-34-1. Just look what Gibbs, Marty and Shanny did when they weren't under Snyder's wrath. Those guys were a combined 62-82 working under Snyder.[/QUOTE]I hear you but to some extent Jay has to be accountable for obviously being the worst motivator ever. How many times did his team looked flat footed ? How many season openers felt like they were not prepared ?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1241964]I like that Rivera hasn't won a SB. I think getting to the game and not winning it has to have given him internal fuel to am already passionate desire. Couple that with Dan's fanboy desire to recreate the glory years of the franchise and I think you could see a bond forged that will get them past many of the pitfalls of the past 20 years. It takes winning of course. But I believe Rivera can be the coach that brings the best out of DS.

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk[/quote]I agree with this post. Rivera is clearly hungry. This new alliance with Snyder could work. The fact that Snyder got rid of Allen is telling to me. Just needs to make sure he doesn't get another Cerrato/BA type.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1241969]I hear you but to some extent Jay has to be accountable for obviously being the worst motivator ever. How many times did his team looked flat footed ? How many season openers felt like they were not prepared ?

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Starting the game by giving up a score early, or coming out of the gate slow, or taking an L in the season opener was a very common theme for Gruden and the Skins.

I don't think Gruden was as bad as Zorn, or Spurrier, or even Shanny, but it was time for him to go too.

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Starting to get the feeling that, for whatever reason, Rivera has determined KOC is not the guy to run the offense. I am fine with that if that is the case, it is his team to run.

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I think RR wants to wait until playoffs are over then see who is available

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[quote=mredskins;1241997]I think RR wants to wait until playoffs are over then see who is available[/quote]

I wonder who could possibly be involved in the playoffs who would make for a good OC that would leave their current team?

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[quote=Skinsfanatic;1241982]Starting to get the feeling that, for whatever reason, Rivera has determined KOC is not the guy to run the offense. I am fine with that if that is the case, it is his team to run.[/quote]

+1

I think if KOC had interviewed and impressed Rivera the hire would've been announced already.

The longer this goes the higher the odds KOC is leaving.

I'm fine with it as long as pick someone in tune with today's NFL. If he brings in some old retread who has put up underwhelming stats somewhere else I'm gonna be uninspired.

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I haven't posted much in the last few months, but this has certainly awaken my interests. Let me start by saying that I live in Panther territory, so it's almost impossible to not keep up with the Carolina Panthers. I will tell you, I have always wanted Ron Rivera as a coach. He turned the Panthers around in just a couple of seasons - a team that was 2-14! No reason why he can't do it in Washington, IMO.

So, I'm on cloud nine right now! Bruce Allen being fired, and now, Ron Rivera being hired. Guys, we are on the right track! Happy Thanksgiving everyone! ;)

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[quote=mooby;1242002]+1

I think if KOC had interviewed and impressed Rivera the hire would've been announced already.

The longer this goes the higher the odds KOC is leaving.

I'm fine with it as long as pick someone in tune with today's NFL. If he brings in some old retread who has put up underwhelming stats somewhere else I'm gonna be uninspired.[/quote]

My hunch is that KOC wants to be OC under Josh McDaniels wherever he goes this year and therefore he is not "interviewing" well to hold out.

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[QUOTE=Skinsfanatic;1242005]My hunch is that KOC wants to be OC under Josh McDaniels wherever he goes this year and therefore he is not "interviewing" well to hold out.[/QUOTE]What connections make you think of that scenario?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1242009]What connections make you think of that scenario?

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Patriot way.

Mentioned here: [url]https://www.si.com/nfl/patriots/gm-report/mcdaniels-coaching-staff-if-took-hc-position[/url]

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[QUOTE=Skinsfanatic;1242010]Patriot way.



Mentioned here: [url]https://www.si.com/nfl/patriots/gm-report/mcdaniels-coaching-staff-if-took-hc-position[/url][/QUOTE]I hadn't seen that. Interesting article, but it is only who McDaniels wants. I am not sure KOC would see OC under McDaniels as better than OC under Rivera though.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1242011]I hadn't seen that. Interesting article, but it is only who McDaniels wants. I am not sure KOC would see OC under McDaniels as better than OC under Rivera though.

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He might if (a) he got to have a say in who his assistants are, (b) the talent in the new place was good, and/or (c) he is tired of the dysfunction he has been a part of in Washington.

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[QUOTE=Skinsfanatic;1242012]He might if (a) he got to have a say in who his assistants are, (b) the talent in the new place was good, and/or (c) he is tired of the dysfunction he has been a part of in Washington.[/QUOTE]At best McDaniels is going to Carolina, more likely he is going to the Browns.

For me, I can't see doing purposefully bad on an interview, you can always be offered the job and aay no, but to not get it offered and lose control of your future seems unlikely to me.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1242014]At best McDaniels is going to Carolina, more likely he is going to the Browns.

For me, I can't see doing purposefully bad on an interview, you can always be offered the job and aay no, but to not get it offered and lose control of your future seems unlikely to me.

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I don't really mean throwing the interview so much as sharing your opinions more than you would if you didn't feel like you had realistic alternatives (or even another unofficial offer).

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Whether or not KOC is chosen by Ron Rivera to be his OC means little to me. How could any of us possibly know who would work well with RR?

I want Ron Rivera to have the coaches he wants and the players he wants, period. If he gets to run the show his way, that gives him the best chance to succeed here. I just want to win!

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1242047]Whether or not KOC is chosen by Ron Rivera to be his OC means little to me. How could any of us possibly know who would work well with RR?



I want Ron Rivera to have the coaches he wants and the players he wants, period. If he gets to run the show his way, that gives him the best chance to succeed here. I just want to win![/QUOTE]


We should be applauding the fact that RR has the autonomy to make the moves that he’s making. No more forcing assistants on the HC.



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nice edit