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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1245312]Can you list who they are talking too? I agree, with the depth of WR, the Skins should get a nice choice at top of 3rd round of whoever slides.



I think the TE is ok...we should be able to grab someone in the 4th.[/QUOTE]



Chico,

This is from a recent article in Riggo’s Rag:

Their big interest is:

Dayton TE Adam Trautman

Notre Dame TE Cole Kmet

WR’s. Denzel Mims
Miss St Stephen Guidry
Liberty’s Antonio Gandy-Golden
USC Michael Pittman

OHIO ST. KJ HILL

S Carolina Byran Edwards

By concentrating on TE and WR in the draft after Chase Young it indicates they hope to deal with the
OL, CB, FS,LB in FA. I think they will also go for the top TE in FA. But they might not get the best TE FA since there is so much competition. Since Kyle Smith has done so well in the draft / UDFA for WR it makes real sense to let him do it again.

The Redskins have so many holes it is just impossible to fill everything in FA. WR and TE might have to come from the draft.




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[quote=Warthog;1245337]Chico,

This is from a recent article in Riggo’s Rag:

Their big interest is:

Dayton TE Adam Trautman

Notre Dame TE Cole Kmet

WR’s. Denzel Mims
Miss St Stephen Guidry
Liberty’s Antonio Gandy-Golden
USC Michael Pittman

OHIO ST. KJ HILL

S Carolina Byran Edwards

By concentrating on TE and WR in the draft after Chase Young it indicates they hope to deal with the
OL, CB, FS,LB in FA. I think they will also go for the top TE in FA. But they might not get the best TE FA since there is so much competition. Since Kyle Smith has done so well in the draft / UDFA for WR it makes real sense to let him do it again.

The Redskins have so many holes it is just impossible to fill everything in FA. WR and TE might have to come from the draft.




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Thanks man!

Hey, what’s the common thread among the WR they visited?

They are huge...6’3 and 6’4 guys

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[quote=Chico23231;1245342]Thanks man!

Hey, what’s the common thread among the WR they visited?

They are huge...6’3 and 6’4 guys[/quote]

Looks like these guys would be guys we are looking at in rounds 3 and 4, except for Guidry, who I'm thinking either round 7 or UDFA.

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[quote=Warthog;1245336]What wrong with Hooper besides his $11 mill/yr price tag? He’s NOT being franchised. I just wonder how many teams are going to be going after him?


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For some reason, I'm not 100% sold on Hooper. Based on my amateur scouting (lots of highlights videos, watching games, and reading news about the player), I didn't get impression that Hooper can make a big difference for a team. Although skinsfan did mention about Hooper's high catch rate, which is really good I have to admit.. In my opinion, If we want to spend a good amount of money on a receiver then the player should be a playmaker, or filling in that position will help bring Redskins to playoffs/super bowl. However, we are not even close to being a SB contender yet. Also, I know it's not new for FA players to be overpaid due to limited available options (i.e., Cousins) but since we are not close to being a contender yet, I prefer for us to build the team through drafts and smart signings until Redskins team show that they are close to SB then Redskins should go all in and do everything they can to fill in the needs.

This is not to say that I would be upset if we sign Hooper, I would be satisfied with the move but not excited. Scott Turner did say that TE is vital piece to his offense so it would makes sense if we sign him. I just hope that Redskins will not give Hooper a massive contract, just to outbid other teams. There will be a few teams who will want to sign Hooper so I think there will be a bidding war for Hooper. Hooper is in bottom of the top 10 TEs in NFL and he is not worth the #1 TE money.

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[QUOTE=GridIron26;1245348]For some reason, I'm not 100% sold on Hooper. Based on my amateur scouting (lots of highlights videos, watching games, and reading news about the player), I didn't get impression that Hooper can make a big difference for a team. Although skinsfan did mention about Hooper's high catch rate, which is really good I have to admit.. In my opinion, If we want to spend a good amount of money on a receiver then the player should be a playmaker, or filling in that position will help bring Redskins to playoffs/super bowl. However, we are not even close to being a SB contender yet. Also, I know it's not new for FA players to be overpaid due to limited available options (i.e., Cousins) but since we are not close to being a contender yet, I prefer for us to build the team through drafts and smart signings until Redskins team show that they are close to SB then Redskins should go all in and do everything they can to fill in the needs.



This is not to say that I would be upset if we sign Hooper, I would be satisfied with the move but not excited. Scott Turner did say that TE is vital piece to his offense so it would makes sense if we sign him. I just hope that Redskins will not give Hooper a massive contract, just to outbid other teams. There will be a few teams who will want to sign Hooper so I think there will be a bidding war for Hooper. Hooper is in bottom of the top 10 TEs in NFL and he is not worth the #1 TE money.[/QUOTE]



Yes, Hooper and Henry are very good TE, but certainly not elite. $11 mill is top TE money but I look at it being only HALF the price of an elite WR FA like Cooper. So perhaps you can pay for Henry at $10-11 mill and then use another $ 10 mill to get a CB or LB FA.

The cap is a zero sum game. Frankly, we just do not have the money to fill our many holes. Another issue is that last year 6 out of our top 8 FA got hurt and couldn’t finish the season. So a big consideration for a player we want badly, such as Henry / Hooper, is how will they survive the seasons we’re paying guaranteed money for?

I’d rather have a good FA playing all season than a great FA who doesn’t make it into any regular season games!


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[quote=GridIron26;1245348]For some reason, I'm not 100% sold on Hooper. Based on my amateur scouting (lots of highlights videos, watching games, and reading news about the player), I didn't get impression that Hooper can make a big difference for a team. Although skinsfan did mention about Hooper's high catch rate, which is really good I have to admit.. In my opinion, If we want to spend a good amount of money on a receiver then the player should be a playmaker, or filling in that position will help bring Redskins to playoffs/super bowl. However, we are not even close to being a SB contender yet. Also, I know it's not new for FA players to be overpaid due to limited available options (i.e., Cousins) but since we are not close to being a contender yet, I prefer for us to build the team through drafts and smart signings until Redskins team show that they are close to SB then Redskins should go all in and do everything they can to fill in the needs.

This is not to say that I would be upset if we sign Hooper, I would be satisfied with the move but not excited. Scott Turner did say that TE is vital piece to his offense so it would makes sense if we sign him. I just hope that Redskins will not give Hooper a massive contract, just to outbid other teams. There will be a few teams who will want to sign Hooper so I think there will be a bidding war for Hooper. Hooper is in bottom of the top 10 TEs in NFL and he is not worth the #1 TE money.[/quote]

So this is the problem...Scott Turner's offense features the TE, also Haskins really like to throw TE based on last year on the field. Sprinkle and others got a fair amount of targets. You want to setup your new QB up to win? Get him the pieces the offense needs to properly function and the QB feels comfortable throwing too.

Teams that feature the TE in the pass game win. Look at the Patriots for years. Kelce and Kittle in the SB. Why? They get favorable matchups against LB, Safety, etc.

We cant continue to spin wheels taking chances with UDFA, late round picks or other risk ie Hayden Hurst.

Spend the money

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I’m all in on Hooper

We desperately need a TE and he’s young and has been very productive

I don’t see why anyone would hesitate on him

Haskins would really benefit by having a quality TE


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[quote=MTK;1245352]I’m all in on Hooper

We desperately need a TE and he’s young and has been very productive

I don’t see why anyone would hesitate on him

Haskins would really benefit by having a quality TE


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The leap Lamar Jackson took this yr was due to hie 2 TE's, both are matchup problems for LBs. In today's game, if you don't have a legit Pass catching TE , u will struggle.

Look at what happened to NE post Gronk... Chargers when Henry was out. Etc.

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[quote=Warthog;1245350]Yes, Hooper and Henry are very good TE, but certainly not elite. $11 mill is top TE money but I look at it being only HALF the price of an elite WR FA like Cooper.


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Hooper and Henry are only 25 so while the top 5 TEs make 7.5-10M AAV, those guys are 31.

Hooper and Henry also are excellent blockers and getting a dual TE is big for me. We saw with just a pass catching Jordan Reed, it effects the packages you can run and gives pre-snap tells to the D.

I before said I wouldnt pay more than 10M per for Henry or Hooper ... but I might go to 11 range honestly. Maybe even 12 if it ends up being effectively a 3 year deal with a team friendly out.

TE market is about to be set imo. Its because these 2 guys are young and fit the en vogue model of being dual pass catch/run block.

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[quote=Warthog;1245350]Yes, Hooper and Henry are very good TE, but certainly not elite. $11 mill is top TE money but I look at it being only HALF the price of an elite WR FA like Cooper. So perhaps you can pay for Henry at $10-11 mill and then use another $ 10 mill to get a CB or LB FA.

The cap is a zero sum game. Frankly, we just do not have the money to fill our many holes. Another issue is that last year 6 out of our top 8 FA got hurt and couldn’t finish the season. So a big consideration for a player we want badly, such as Henry / Hooper, is how will they survive the seasons we’re paying guaranteed money for?

I’d rather have a good FA playing all season than a great FA who doesn’t make it into any regular season games!


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Highest AAV for a TE is Graham at $10 million. Kelce is second at $9.368. I do think that those numbers are going to be trending up quickly, but $11 or 12 million seems high to me for a Hooper. We really do need a TE, though, so who knows?

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[QUOTE=Number44;1245359]Highest AAV for a TE is Graham at $10 million. Kelce is second at $9.368. I do think that those numbers are going to be trending up quickly, but $11 or 12 million seems high to me for a Hooper. We really do need a TE, though, so who knows?[/QUOTE]



Hooper / Henry will be at the top price for TE but we’ve got ZERO there now. Either of these TE FA will REALLY help Haskins.

I think the Redskins will go for it with Hooper or Henry at $11-12 mill. They will ALSO draft with their #66 for a TE, or a WR depending on who’s been drafted.

I really think they will try to get a TE rookie starter from the draft, as well as a WR#2 rookie starter to compete with Harmon. Kyle Smith will make multiple draft/UDFA picks for each of these positions.

I don’t know if the team will hire a WR#2 from FA. They will probably run out of money. I think they will try to get STARTERS at TE and WR#2 from the draft and UDFA.

We’ll have rookie starters - Chase Young -Edge
TE #2 - draft
WR #2 - Harmon vs draft picks


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There are three very good Ohio State receivers who will probably go after the 3rd round. Since they are from OSU's program, they are, like McLauren, well trained and disciplined route runners: KJ Hill, Austin Mack and Binjamin Victor. I am sure we could get one of them in the 4th round. KJ Hill in particular was a favorite of Haskins in 2018. And Haskins made several big throws to Binjamin.

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[QUOTE=Ohioskins;1245395]There are three very good Ohio State receivers who will probably go after the 3rd round. Since they are from OSU's program, they are, like McLauren, well trained and disciplined route runners: KJ Hill, Austin Mack and Binjamin Victor. I am sure we could get one of them in the 4th round. KJ Hill in particular was a favorite of Haskins in 2018. And Haskins made several big throws to Binjamin.[/QUOTE]



I agree with the team’s interest in Hill. He had better numbers than MacLaurin at Ohio State. Haskins is talking him up. I think it’s possible the Redskins could draft him.

I think the Redskins will draft a TE at their third rounder at #66.

I believe they hope Hill will float under the radar in the NFL and then they can draft him in the fourth round. They listed a bunch of TE and WR the team was interested in at the combine. Then nothing after that. You don’t want another team drafting your guy because you’re good a finding diamonds low in the draft.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the Redskins drafted Hill.


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[quote=MTK;1245352]I’m all in on Hooper

We desperately need a TE and he’s young and has been very productive

I don’t see why anyone would hesitate on him

Haskins would really benefit by having a quality TE


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We are going to face some steep competition. I heard on Sirius XM NFL radio yesterday that the Packers and Bears are both very interested in Hooper.

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We need a TE definitely but our interest in Hooper might be to raise the price on him.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1245592]We need a TE definitely but our interest in Hooper might be to raise the price on him.[/quote]

Why? If we weren't interested in Hooper it would be counterproductive to bid his price up and raise the tight end salary levels. No, I think if we are bidding on Hooper it would be because we want him.

Now, the rumor that we have interest in Cooper could well be to raise his price and force Dallas to spend more. But not Hooper.

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[quote=SkinzWin;1245590]We are going to face some steep competition. I heard on Sirius XM NFL radio yesterday that the Packers and Bears are both very interested in Hooper.[/quote]

There will be lots of teams in on him , but neither of these two has much in the way of cap space

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[quote=Warthog;1245549]I agree with the team’s interest in Hill. He had better numbers than MacLaurin at Ohio State. Haskins is talking him up. I think it’s possible the Redskins could draft him.

I think the Redskins will draft a TE at their third rounder at #66.

I believe they hope Hill will float under the radar in the NFL and then they can draft him in the fourth round. They listed a bunch of TE and WR the team was interested in at the combine. Then nothing after that. You don’t want another team drafting your guy because you’re good a finding diamonds low in the draft.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the Redskins drafted Hill.


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There is no way to know what position any team will draft for in any given round. I'm pretty sure that they make up a draft board regardless of position need.

I doubt that Hill is going to fly under anybody's radar. He can play and everybody knows it BUT there are a lot of good receivers in this draft and some very good WR that we like (even Hill) may well last into the middle rounds.

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[quote=Number44;1245595]Why? If we weren't interested in Hooper it would be counterproductive to bid his price up and raise the tight end salary levels. No, I think if we are bidding on Hooper it would be because we want him.

Now, the rumor that we have interest in Cooper could well be to raise his price and force Dallas to spend more. But not Hooper.[/quote]

Couldn't Dallas use the Franchise Tag on him if they need to do so? I think they would because their passing offense was much better last season when he was in the game.

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Only if they resign Dak first, which doesn't look like it is going to happen, only have 1 franchise tag

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Has the salary cap for 2020 been established? I heard it could rise to $200+ million

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I would look to the draft for a TE instead of FA, I wouldn’t over pay for Hooper or Henry. Jonnu Smith was drafted in the 3rd round ny Tenn. and was a stud. We can get someone similar in the draft.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1245609]I would look to the draft for a TE instead of FA, I wouldn’t over pay for Hooper or Henry. Jonnu Smith was drafted in the 3rd round ny Tenn. and was a stud. We can get someone similar in the draft.[/QUOTE]



I think they are going to do both: draft a TE and go for Hooper or Henry in FA.

In fact I think the Redskins will use their third rounder (#66) for a TE.

I know there is interest in Hooper from the Bears and Packers. But we have far more cap space AND a dire need for this position. We may end up paying an extra $1 mill for Hooper but not really a big deal with over $60 mill in cap space (three year deal at $11 mill/yr). To change last years terrible offense, the biggest improvement will come by adding several very good TE with FA and the draft.




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Anyone else heard this garbage? We apparently are in the Phillip Rivers sweepstakes now...

[url]https://www.12up.com/posts/redskins-reportedly-expected-pursue-philip-rivers-free-agency-01e27em6fpar/partners/41091[/url]

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[quote=SkinzWin;1245611]Anyone else heard this garbage? We apparently are in the Phillip Rivers sweepstakes now...

[url]https://www.12up.com/posts/redskins-reportedly-expected-pursue-philip-rivers-free-agency-01e27em6fpar/partners/41091[/url][/quote]

I saw it too and I don't believe it.. Riveria spoke about establishing the team with young players that can be key for the team, so I don't see how Rivers would fit in this plan.

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Rivers doesn’t make sense for several reasons, mainly the $$


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Smoke screen is getting thick this time of year. A lot of BS floating around

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[quote=Defensewins;1245622]Smoke screen is getting thick this time of year. A lot of BS floating around[/quote]

Yes. I'm glad to see it. A lot of rumors about the Redskins out there. Rivers, Burrow, Tua, Cooper, Drake, etc. Looks like RR may be a master of misdirection. Like Don Corleone said to his son Sonny, "Never let anyone outside the family know what you're thinking."

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Lots of smoke and mirrors. Trying see what we can get for trading our #2 pick. Trying to get the Cowboys to overpay for Cooper. Showing interest in certain players to let other teams know we’re in the hunt and will pay for them. I only believe about 20% of what’s coming out.

For instance, I believe the team IS interested in HOOPER and we’re “peeing on the bush” to let other team’s know we’re going to get him because we have the money to do so.

Other FA I think we’re interested in are Boston and Bradberry. Most of the other stories are just misdirection.


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[quote=Warthog;1245657]Lots of smoke and mirrors. Trying see what we can get for trading our #2 pick. Trying to get the Cowboys to overpay for Cooper. Showing interest in certain players to let other teams know we’re in the hunt and will pay for them. I only believe about 20% of what’s coming out.

For instance, I believe the team IS interested in HOOPER and we’re “peeing on the bush” to let other team’s know we’re going to get him because we have the money to do so.

Other FA I think we’re interested in are Boston and Bradberry. Most of the other stories are just misdirection.


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Boston, yes! Perfect fit with Collins. Bradberry, no. He's nothing special.

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Not sure if this has been reported, but league sources have told me that they expect the Redskins to franchise tag Brandon Scherff and the Steelers to tag Bud Dupree.

- Josina Anderson

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^^^

If that's the case, now that Smithers is gone, hopefully that this is just to extend the time to negotiate an actual contract.

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Tag and Trade !!!!

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Seriously though..... if you look at the "well run" teams, recently the MO is to get them signed or to tag and trade them, if they don't like him well enough by now to sign him to the deal he wants it is unlikely that they will meet his demands...... depends on how much they like Wes Martin I would suppose, with Trent looking doubtful to return maybe they go into a genuine rebuild mode, hence the desire to trade down with Miami in the draft. Smithers would have tagged him and then sat on his rights in the confidence that he will cave eventually, look how that worked out with Trent.

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The intent is to get him re-signed.

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Tag sounds good to me. 2019 tag for O Lineman (there is no distinction for G v LT) was 14M last year so Im guessing 15M this year.

Have until July 15 to agree to a LTD.

let him play at 15M, see if he can stay healthy and have a bounce back year.

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Cheap semi young possibility as a TE2 or TE3. More blocking TE than catching but he had promise at one time.

Nick OLeary, 28 yrs old, played for Jags last year.

JP Holtz will be an ERFA

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1245755]Seriously though..... if you look at the "well run" teams, recently the MO is to get them signed or to tag and trade them, if they don't like him well enough by now to sign him to the deal he wants it is unlikely that they will meet his demands...... depends on how much they like Wes Martin I would suppose, with Trent looking doubtful to return maybe they go into a genuine rebuild mode, hence the desire to trade down with Miami in the draft. Smithers would have tagged him and then sat on his rights in the confidence that he will cave eventually, look how that worked out with Trent.[/quote]

That's not what they did with Trent. They signed him to a front-loaded deal and he reneged when he got to the 2 back-end years. Completely different situation.

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[quote=SunnySide;1245757]Tag sounds good to me. 2019 tag for O Lineman (there is no distinction for G v LT) was 14M last year so Im guessing 15M this year.

Have until July 15 to agree to a LTD.

let him play at 15M, see if he can stay healthy and have a bounce back year.

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Cheap semi young possibility as a TE2 or TE3. More blocking TE than catching but he had promise at one time.

Nick OLeary, 28 yrs old, played for Jags last year.

JP Holtz will be an ERFA[/quote]

I either read or heard somewhere in the last few days that if they tag Scherff it would be just over $16 million.

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[quote=Number44;1245762]I either read or heard somewhere in the last few days that if they tag Scherff it would be just over $16 million.[/quote]

I just read that as well .... and that officially the tag amounts wont be known until the CBA is done?

Seems like he wants 14-17M a year AAV anyway ... Id say tag him, if you cant get a reasonable LTD done, let him play this year and prove that he can stay healthy and bonce back.

I love Scherff and want us to keep our young, good, high draft pick players .... but paying Gs over 12M kinda goes against my own personal philosophy. Certain positions I think you dont need elite talent at elite contracts to do well. RB, G, SS are the 3 at the top of my list. TE used to be in that list but nowadays it seems you need a dual 3 down TE.

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[quote=Number44;1245761]That's not what they did with Trent. They signed him to a front-loaded deal and he reneged when he got to the 2 back-end years. Completely different situation.[/quote]

You are of course right but my point was that we all realise it was always about money with Trent, Bruce knew that but didn't want to pay him a top of the market deal (and for the record I don't think he is worth $20m aav) and rather than trade him while he had value he chose to make it a personal battle of wills.... whether a player overates his value or not, front offices have a pretty good idea where the market will be set a couple of years ahead of time, and they should already have a pretty good idea whether they think the guy is worth it, if not they should trade the player like Seattle and Kansas City have done recently when tagging players