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Mooby, to your point-yes conservative Christians are a problem in the unvaccinated population. I do agree there…it’s a problem

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[quote=Chico23231;1304055]Mooby, to your point-yes conservative Christians are a problem in the unvaccinated population. I do agree there…it’s a problem[/quote]

.....trumpetts

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[quote=Chico23231;1304047]Them with the liberal leaning 18-30 year olds, yes I do. The most vaccinated groups are over 55 year old GOP leaning folks.

It’s just really interesting you are gonna try to parse this with a narrative which is incorrect.

Let me know if you need to rehash the media’s “flu is worse than covid “ headlines when this started or Kamala bimbo Harris and Joy Reid anti-vaxx social media posts when Trump developed the vaccine. These conservative media types are the worst, right?[/quote]

Which MSM outlet front-paged "the flu is worse than covid" theory before it started?

Also I agree with you - when Trump was single-handedly trying to take credit for the vaccines being rushed to market I was skeptical too - as many libs were because Trump is notorious for ignoring any law or precedent that stands in his way. If he ordered Pfizer/Moderna or anybody to skip steps or do anything inherently dangerous so he could take credit I would've been highly skeptical.

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I'm going to say there are plenty of other variables at play here in why there is a lag.


[url]https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-data-on-covid-19-vaccinations-by-race-ethnicity/[/url]

In this data set from early December we see that there is no real statistical difference between whites and hispanics but black people the rate is at 50%. However, it needs to be noted that the gap between vaccinated rates for black people and vaccinated rates for white people decreased by 14% points when the vaccination eligibility was opened in April. This tells me there were occupational reasons and age eligibility reasons for the discrepancy. Looking at figure 3 there was almost a plateau for white people but it looks like Omicron has created a bump but it also looks like vaccination rates in black people are currently headed toward a plateau as well.

Ther is also this data set which shows lags in vaccination rates in counties that supported Trump. [url]https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/the-red-blue-divide-in-covid-19-vaccination-rates/[/url]

Almost at a 13% rate difference. According to figure 1 it is the exact opposite of the increase in rates we see for minorities in April we see a decrease in rates in Trump counties which is interesting. To me it is definitely politically driven whether it is Biden's policy or Trump's push of a hoax is debatable.

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[quote=Chico23231;1304043]Utter bullshit Mooby. First off your premise is incorrect…you need to check the vaccine data. Minority groups other than Asian and American Indian lead the pack in not getting vaccinated. Also when grouping by ages, people under 30 lead the way in not getting vaccinated…data has found this group was responsible for covid spread during the delta variant.

Go re read my points again…but Biden has failed with covid. He said he would unite the country..
Another fail[/quote]

Seriously , you're dumb as a box of rocks .

[url]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/08/briefing/covid-death-toll-red-america.html[/url]

Covid Deaths Skew Higher Than Ever In Red States
The New York Times reports on disparities in covid deaths — with the gap between highly-vaccinated states (which tend to be Democratic) versus less-vaccinated states (which tend to be Republican) growing faster than ever over the last month. Vaccination exemptions and hesitancy are also in the news.

The New York Times: U.S. Covid Deaths Get Even Redder
The brief version: The gap in Covid’s death toll between red and blue America has grown faster over the past month than at any previous point. In October, 25 out of every 100,000 residents of heavily Trump counties died from Covid, more than three times higher than the rate in heavily Biden counties (7.8 per 100,000). October was the fifth consecutive month that the percentage gap between the death rates in Trump counties and Biden counties widened. Some conservative writers have tried to claim that the gap may stem from regional differences in weather or age, but those arguments fall apart under scrutiny. (If weather or age were a major reason, the pattern would have begun to appear last year.) The true explanation is straightforward: The vaccines are remarkably effective at preventing severe Covid, and almost 40 percent of Republican adults remain unvaccinated, compared with about 10 percent of Democratic adults. (Leonhardt, 11/8)

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[quote=Chico23231;1304055]Mooby, to your point-yes conservative Christians are a problem in the unvaccinated population. I do agree there…it’s a problem[/quote]

Glad we can agree on that.

I don't know there's any easy answer to minorities not trusting the vaccine due to years of government distrust thanks to the terrible policies disenfranchising minorities that they've written up over the years.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1304068]I'm going to say there are plenty of other variables at play here in why there is a lag.


[url]https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-data-on-covid-19-vaccinations-by-race-ethnicity/[/url]

In this data set from early December we see that there is no real statistical difference between whites and hispanics but black people the rate is at 50%. However, it needs to be noted that the gap between vaccinated rates for black people and vaccinated rates for white people decreased by 14% points when the vaccination eligibility was opened in April. This tells me there were occupational reasons and age eligibility reasons for the discrepancy. Looking at figure 3 there was almost a plateau for white people but it looks like Omicron has created a bump but it also looks like vaccination rates in black people are currently headed toward a plateau as well.

Ther is also this data set which shows lags in vaccination rates in counties that supported Trump. [url]https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/the-red-blue-divide-in-covid-19-vaccination-rates/[/url]

Almost at a 13% rate difference. According to figure 1 it is the exact opposite of the increase in rates we see for minorities in April we see a decrease in rates in Trump counties which is interesting. To me it is definitely politically driven whether it is Biden's policy or Trump's push of a hoax is debatable.[/quote]

End the end…the data is what the data is. My facts aren’t wrong about the vaccinated. If you are gonna excuse minority group vaccination rates…and mix in political reason then add the context these are in majority Democrats run urban areas…why have they failed to provide the vaccine along with a dem run federal government. Also that young age group with low vaccine rates…what’s their excuse?

If you want to see something interesting is look up the vaccination rates timeline and watch what happens when the J&J pause went into effect.

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[quote=Giantone;1304058].....trumpetts[/quote]

[IMG]https://c.tenor.com/0T2sHf4bbjIAAAAd/trump2024-trump-in-your-head.gif[/IMG]

G1 I actually do that same dance after I dunk on you. Lil Bigly shimmy

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[quote=Chico23231;1304082][IMG]https://c.tenor.com/0T2sHf4bbjIAAAAd/trump2024-trump-in-your-head.gif[/IMG]

G1 I actually do that same dance after I dunk on you. Lil Bigly shimmy[/quote]

You're never sober enough to dance or dunk.

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[quote=Chico23231;1304078]End the end…the data is what the data is. My facts aren’t wrong about the vaccinated.
[/quote]

yes , they are.

context is something lost to you .

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[URL="https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/06/january-6-gop-events-526569"]GOP commemorates denialism day[/URL]

Shameful

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[quote=MTK;1307160][URL="https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/06/january-6-gop-events-526569"]GOP commemorates denialism day[/URL]

Shameful[/quote]

[url]https://twitter.com/TheDailyShow/status/1478729246034038786?s=20[/url]

Accurate.

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[quote=mooby;1307215][url]https://twitter.com/TheDailyShow/status/1478729246034038786?s=20[/url]

Accurate.[/quote]

And reverse could be done her as well with the BLM and antifa riots summer of 2020 and the cheering on by the mainstream media.

Glenn Greenwald sums it up well:

A full year after the 1/6 riot at the Capitol, the total number of indictments from the Biden DOJ for insurrection, sedition or treason is the same number as Americans indicted by Mueller for criminally conspiring with Russia over the 2016 election:

ZERO.

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Ted Cruz is so spineless.
[url]https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/06/ted-cruz-jan-6-terrorist-tucker-carlson-526725[/url]
He should have told Carlson that he is so far off base that his political opinions wouldn’t hit water if they fell out of a boat

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1307369]Ted Cruz is so spineless.
[url]https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/06/ted-cruz-jan-6-terrorist-tucker-carlson-526725[/url]
He should have told Carlson that he is so far off base that his political opinions wouldn’t hit water if they fell out of a boat[/quote]

Tucker is a tough interview

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[quote=Chico23231;1307376]Tucker is a tough interview[/quote]

Tucker is an [B]asshole interview[/B] . Corrected for truthfulness.

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[B][/B][quote=Chico23231;1307238]And reverse could be done her as well with the BLM and antifa riots summer of 2020 and the cheering on by the mainstream media.

Glenn Greenwald sums it up well:

A full year after the 1/6 riot at the Capitol, the total number of indictments from the Biden DOJ for insurrection, sedition or treason is the same number as Americans indicted by Mueller for criminally conspiring with Russia over the 2016 election:

ZERO.[/quote]

[B]PLEA DEALS[/B]


[url]https://www.insider.com/all-the-us-capitol-pro-trump-riot-arrests-charges-names-2021-1[/url]

738 people have been charged in the Capitol insurrection so far. This searchable table shows them all


A pro-Trump mob descended on the Capitol on January 6, 2021, and hundreds face criminal charges.
It took four hours to secure the building so Congress could certify President Joe Biden's victory.
A year later, 738 people have been charged. This searchable table shows them all so far.

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[url]https://twitter.com/tomiahonen/status/1453797787452297225/photo/1[/url]

Really interesting thread about how this was an organized effort by varying small groups of militia to disrupt the proceedings.

Forgot to mention an [URL="https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/13/politics/oathkeeper-rhodes-arrested-doj/index.html"]Oath Keeper leader and 10 others have been charged with seditious conspiracy. [/URL]

Definitely more to come.

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[quote=Giantone;1307746]Tucker is an [B]asshole interview[/B] . Corrected for truthfulness.[/quote]

Was looking at the Wiki page on Tucker - Question why is he still referred to as a Conservative? He may have been at one point but now he supports protectionism, isolationism, opposes legal immigration and supports Trumpism (ie all the prior stuff plus opposition to entitlement reform and lots of other non-conservative stuff).

He is a right-wing populist like Trump but definitely not a conservative anymore.

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[url]https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/01/31/is-ginni-thomas-a-threat-to-the-supreme-court[/url]

Hard to believe that Ginni Thomas isn't promoting radical theories into her husband's ear.

Quick poll - who here believes that the Supreme Court shouldn't have to adhere to the same code of conduct that all other judiciaries have to adhere to (i.e. a justice recusing himself from a case in which his spouse is involved in?)

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Trying to keep things were they belong ,this would be great to see!

Forget Hillary’s emails. John Eastman’s emails could get Donald Trump indicted
[url]https://news.yahoo.com/forget-hillary-emails-john-eastman-144526505.html[/url]

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[url]https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/texas-man-guilty-role-assault-us-capitol-landmark-win-prosecutors-2022-03-08/[/url]


Texas man guilty for role in assault on U.S. Capitol in landmark win for prosecutors

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[quote=mooby;1308614][url]https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/01/31/is-ginni-thomas-a-threat-to-the-supreme-court[/url]

Hard to believe that Ginni Thomas isn't promoting radical theories into her husband's ear.

Quick poll - who here believes that the Supreme Court shouldn't have to adhere to the same code of conduct that all other judiciaries have to adhere to (i.e. a justice recusing himself from a case in which his spouse is involved in?)[/quote]

Supreme Court is politically partisan at this point. A stick to be wagged.

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[quote=mooby;1308614][url]https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/01/31/is-ginni-thomas-a-threat-to-the-supreme-court[/url]

Hard to believe that Ginni Thomas isn't promoting radical theories into her husband's ear.

Quick poll - who here believes that the Supreme Court shouldn't have to adhere to the same code of conduct that all other judiciaries have to adhere to (i.e. a justice recusing himself from a case in which his spouse is involved in?)[/quote]

[url]https://news.yahoo.com/dont-miss-two-revelations-massive-153400343.html[/url]

Don't Miss These Two Revelations in the Massive Sea of News About Trump's Coup Attempt


Good read.

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[quote=mooby;1308614][url]https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/01/31/is-ginni-thomas-a-threat-to-the-supreme-court[/url]

Hard to believe that Ginni Thomas isn't promoting radical theories into her husband's ear.

Quick poll - who here believes that the Supreme Court shouldn't have to adhere to the same code of conduct that all other judiciaries have to adhere to (i.e. a justice recusing himself from a case in which his spouse is involved in?)[/quote]

Aren’t you the one who said Hunter was ok to do as many corrupt things as he wants because he’s not apart of the administration?

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[quote=Chico23231;1314144]Aren’t you the one who said Hunter was ok to do as many corrupt things as he wants because he’s not apart of the administration?[/quote]

JHC you're effing ignorant!

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1314144]Aren’t you the one who said Hunter was ok to do as many corrupt things as he wants because he’s not apart of the administration?[/QUOTE]


This guy still ignoring the people (his people) under investigation, in jail, and flipping on each other while he chases boogiemen. Lol. You forgot about Hillarys emails in your last post! You’re slippin!

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LOL, here is a big effing surprise! chico's buddy!


[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/federal-judge-trump-and-lawyer-john-eastman-likely-committed-crimes-in-attempt-to-overturn-election-190219092.html[/url]

Federal judge: Trump and lawyer John Eastman likely committed crimes in attempt to overturn election


A federal judge ruled Monday that then-President Donald Trump and lawyer John Eastman "more likely than not" committed crimes in their efforts to obstruct the certification of Joe Biden's victory in the 2020 election.

The extraordinary ruling by U.S. District Court Judge David Carter ordered Eastman to turn over 101 emails to the House's Jan. 6 select committee. Eastman, who had argued that the emails were protected by attorney-client privilege, formulated a legal strategy to keep Trump in office and pressured then-Vice President Mike Pence to reject the Electoral College count showing Trump had lost to Biden.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1314227]LOL, here is a big effing surprise! chico's buddy!


[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/federal-judge-trump-and-lawyer-john-eastman-likely-committed-crimes-in-attempt-to-overturn-election-190219092.html[/url]

Federal judge: Trump and lawyer John Eastman likely committed crimes in attempt to overturn election


A federal judge ruled Monday that then-President Donald Trump and lawyer John Eastman "more likely than not" committed crimes in their efforts to obstruct the certification of Joe Biden's victory in the 2020 election.

The extraordinary ruling by U.S. District Court Judge David Carter ordered Eastman to turn over 101 emails to the House's Jan. 6 select committee. Eastman, who had argued that the emails were protected by attorney-client privilege, formulated a legal strategy to keep Trump in office and pressured then-Vice President Mike Pence to reject the Electoral College count showing Trump had lost to Biden.[/QUOTE]


Chico is busy with memes. Who has time for actual wrong doing?

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[quote=punch it in;1314229]Chico is busy with memes. Who has time for actual wrong doing?[/quote]

He is honoring his hero's hole in one!

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[quote=Chico23231;1314144]Aren’t you the one who said Hunter was ok to do as many corrupt things as he wants because he’s not apart of the administration?[/quote]

Sure if you can find the post.

For the record if Hunter is corrupt, lock him up. If Hunter has been whispering illegal things into daddy's ear and daddy is acting on them lock them both up.

The Bidens are not the future of the Democratic party Chico - he's a stop gap solution who happened to win the "anybody is better than Trump" prize.

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[quote=mooby;1314324]Sure if you can find the post.

For the record if Hunter is corrupt, lock him up. If Hunter has been whispering illegal things into daddy's ear and daddy is acting on them lock them both up.

The Bidens are not the future of the Democratic party Chico - he's a stop gap solution who happened to win the "anybody is better than Trump" prize.[/quote]

The prize to the American people was lead the county into crisis on multiple fronts.

Trump by a good distance was a better, more effective President. That’s gotta be pretty tough to deal with.

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On average, Democratic presidents grew the economy 4.4% each year versus 2.5% for Republicans.

A study by Princeton University economists Alan Blinder and Mark Watson found that the economy performs better when the president is a Democrat. They report that “by many measures, the performance gap is startlingly large.” Between Truman and Obama, growth was 1.8% higher under Democrats than Republicans.

[url]https://www.thebalance.com/democrats-vs-republicans-which-is-better-for-the-economy-4771839[/url]

Always the Democrats who have to clean up after Republicans make a mess of things with their "spend, spend, spend" philosophy.

Thankfully there are adults in charge during this international crisis.

Hell, some Republicans wants to get rid of Social Security and Medicare to pay for all the Republican spending under Trump.

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[quote=SunnySide;1314334]On average, Democratic presidents grew the economy 4.4% each year versus 2.5% for Republicans.

A study by Princeton University economists Alan Blinder and Mark Watson found that the economy performs better when the president is a Democrat. They report that “by many measures, the performance gap is startlingly large.” Between Truman and Obama, growth was 1.8% higher under Democrats than Republicans.

[url]https://www.thebalance.com/democrats-vs-republicans-which-is-better-for-the-economy-4771839[/url]

Always the Democrats who have to clean up after Republicans make a mess of things with their "spend, spend, spend" philosophy.

Thankfully there are adults in charge during this international crisis.

Hell, some Republicans wants to get rid of Social Security and Medicare to pay for all the Republican spending under Trump.[/quote]

Damn, I can't even bash the source, because I like that website. LOL. Nicely played.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1314336]Damn, I can't even bash the source, because I like that website. LOL. Nicely played.[/quote]

it was a troll post meant for Chico.

Take some numbers without context ... then attach broad brush blame to your political enemy.

I should have added, "Why do Republicans hate America so much?"

[IMG]https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/864/8b5/1b4b4e6477b7caf1e3bf13529d9931d007-tucker-carlson.rsquare.w700.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=Chico23231;1314331]The prize to the American people was lead the county into crisis on multiple fronts.

[B]Trump by a good distance was a better, more effective President. That’s gotta be pretty tough to deal with.[/B][/quote]

Yeesh. Whatever you need to tell yourself to sleep better at night.

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Getting back to trumps/chico's people who were peacefully protesting..............



[url]https://news.yahoo.com/man-faces-sentencing-bringing-guns-100916386.html[/url]

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - An Alabama man on Friday could be sentenced to more than three years in prison for bringing a pickup truck full of firearms, ammunition, and Molotov cocktails to Washington on Jan. 6, 2021, when former President Donald Trump's supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol.

Lonnie Coffman, 72, who already pleaded guilty to possessing unregistered firearms, is due to face a federal judge at 10 a.m. ET (1400 GMT).

Coffman faces 37 to 46 months in prison under federal sentencing guidelines. U.S. District Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly, who is hearing Coffman's case, has the authority to go below that range.
Coffman has been in custody since his arrest on Jan. 6, 2021, and his lawyer has argued that further incarceration is not warranted in light of his age, health, remorse and acceptance of responsibility.

Police officers arrested Coffman near the Capitol after noticing the handle of a gun in his pickup truck while they were responding to pipe bombs left outside the headquarters of the Democratic National Committee and Republican National Committee, both of which are near the Capitol.

Inside Coffman's truck, officers found an AR-15-style rifle, a shotgun, a crossbow, several machetes, smoke grenades and 11 Molotov cocktails. They also found a note with the name of at least one member of Congress and a judge, alongside the notation "bad guy."

Prosecutors said at the time that the combination of weapons and political messages “suggest that these weapons were intended to be used in an effort to violently attack our elected representatives.”

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Nah G1, that guy was an antifa plant. Good try though :D

/sarcasm in case it wasn't obvious

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[quote=mooby;1314353]Yeesh. Whatever you need to tell yourself to sleep better at night.[/quote]

And the numbers back it

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[quote=Chico23231;1314481]And the number back it[/quote]

??? [IMG]https://allears.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/ryan-reynolds-facepalm-gif.gif[/IMG]