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[quote=Pervis_Griffith;1277793]If it were me, I would [B]keep Allen and Payne[/B] ... extending Allen now, and Payne the year after that.

When Sweat is coming up on his last year, plus the one year option (so two years left), then I would [B]trade Sweat[/B].

Then obviously [B]pay Young [/B]whatever he's worth. Keep him here for the duration.

The edge players cost more ... and it seems like you could replace Sweat a little easier, especially if your interior is still superior.


But this would keep this line intact for as long as possible, and then trading a high value asset without diminishing the line too much.[/quote]

Please stop saying trade Sweat. Thank you.

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[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/football-team/why-zach-ertz-could-certainly-fit-washingtons-offensive-plan[/url]

I think Ertz would be a nice addition to the team. I doubt the Iggles will be able to trade him, since he and the FO do not seem to get along. I just hope they don't release him late in the free agency period.

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[url]https://frontofficesports.com/jeff-bezos-washington-football-team/[/url]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1277864][url]https://frontofficesports.com/jeff-bezos-washington-football-team/[/url][/quote]

So if this has been stated elsewhere I missed it, this is saying that Bruce Allen was involved in the "smear campaign" against Snyder after he was fired?

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[quote=Redskins247;1277866]So if this has been stated elsewhere I missed it, this is saying that [B]Bruce Allen[/B] was involved in the "smear campaign" against Snyder after he was fired?[/quote]

Dude is a straight up slimeball...

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1277869]Dude is a straight up slimeball...[/quote]

Dan and Bruce deserve each other... somewhere else.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1277869]Dude is a straight up slimeball...[/QUOTE]



He is, but sticking it to Douche Snyder, in any way, at any time, is cool. No matter who it is. Lol.

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[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30943003/nfl-franchise-tag-candidates-2021-predictions-dak-prescott-aaron-jones-top-list-22-players[/url]

Day 1 of tagging. A good article breaking down the most likely candidates. Some good names on there.

Scherff -- to tag or not to tag. I say tag and sign to a long term deal. I dont like spending more than 8M AAV on IOL but I dont want to open a new hole on a suspect OL either.

FA is going to be very interesting.

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[quote=SunnySide;1277889][url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30943003/nfl-franchise-tag-candidates-2021-predictions-dak-prescott-aaron-jones-top-list-22-players[/url]

Day 1 of tagging. A good article breaking down the most likely candidates. Some good names on there.

Scherff -- to tag or not to tag. I say tag and sign to a long term deal. I dont like spending more than 8M AAV on IOL but I dont want to open a new hole on a suspect OL either.

FA is going to be very interesting.[/quote]

Don't understand why they haven't gotten this deal done already...makes me think the two sides are far apart in price, he's probably wanting to be the highest paid guard in the league.

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[quote=Redskins247;1277890]Don't understand why they haven't gotten this deal done already...makes me think the two sides are far apart in price, he's probably wanting to be the highest paid guard in the league.[/quote]

You and me both man. Everyone is saying they will tag him but figure out a long term deal. But weve been hearing that for almost 2 years.

Im fine either way. I like Scherff but if he is going to cost 15M, I would probably be better off using 4-8M on a replacement guard. He played 16 games this year but I view him as injury prone as well.

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[quote=SunnySide;1277889][url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30943003/nfl-franchise-tag-candidates-2021-predictions-dak-prescott-aaron-jones-top-list-22-players[/url]

Day 1 of tagging. A good article breaking down the most likely candidates. Some good names on there.

Scherff -- to tag or not to tag. I say tag and sign to a long term deal. I dont like spending more than 8M AAV on IOL but I dont want to open a new hole on a suspect OL either.

FA is going to be very interesting.[/quote]

He'll get almost twice that...

I think he'll be tagged. My guess is players across the league will be more willing to play under the franchise tag in a year that the salary cap is down - in anticipation of getting a bigger payday next year.

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Of course you have to tag BS and continue to work out a long term deal.

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Article about Scherff options...

[url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2021/2/22/22295944/tagging-brandon-scherff-again-in-the-hopes-of-a-long-term-contract-would-represent-a-failure-of[/url]

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[quote=MTK;1277895]Of course you have to tag BS and continue to work out a long term deal.[/quote]

Agree, he's the anchor of that line and especially with a new QB coming in

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1277897]Agree, he's the anchor of that line and especially with a new QB coming in[/quote]

now let's wait for the comments about him not being worth big $$

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He'll be the highest paid guard, here or somewhere else.

If he's willing to play for the WFT for ~$15mil per year then I hope they get it done.

If I were him though, I would hold out for more. He could net $18mil under the franchise tag, then get his big pay day next offseason when the cap goes up.

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[quote=MTK;1277899]now let's wait for the comments about him not being worth big $$[/quote]

No guard is worth more than 10M AAV or a top 10 draft pick .. in my opinion. You can find plug and play guards in FA. Each year we seem to find good IOL production at a good value.

2019 FA - Ereck Flowers
2020 FA - Wes Schweitzer

Im fine with tagging or signing Scherff, hes a good player, probably in the top 10 of Gs .. but giving any guard 14-15M per is not an ideal situation.

if im giving 15M or more .. its for a QB, LT, WR, CB, pass rusher. Thats it.

15M on a 185M cap = 8% of your entire cap. For a guard. For a guard that needs to just stick their fat short arms out there and grab some shoulder pads and anchor for 2.3 seconds.

Sign LT Villanueva or somebody for 15M per. At least LT have much more job responsibilities than a guard.

A guard is basically a chair. An obstacle. Just stand there and try not to get pushed back to much for 2.3 seconds. Can you manage that fat boy? God forbid we ask them to chip a guy or something.

yeah .. we need to spend 15M on the rare occasion one of our fat guards needs to have enough awareness to chip a guy before locking onto his main assignment. His main assignment usually the other teams fat unathletic player lined up directly across from him.

besides the run game sucked this year and every year. its not like we are opening running lanes or turning guys or getting push off the snap.

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edit 8% of cap not 12% .. sorry

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That didn't take long lol

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[quote=SunnySide;1277903]
besides the run game sucked this year and every year. its not like we are opening running lanes or turning guys or getting push off the snap.[/quote]

Our run game sucked because no team respected our passing game and they would just stack the box. I wouldn't pin this on the o-line.

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[quote=SunnySide;1277903]No guard is worth more than 10M AAV or a top 10 draft pick .. in my opinion. You can find plug and play guards in FA. Each year we seem to find good IOL production at a good value.

2019 FA - Ereck Flowers
2020 FA - Wes Schweitzer

Im fine with tagging or signing Scherff, hes a good player, probably in the top 10 of Gs .. but giving any guard 14-15M per is not an ideal situation.

if im giving 15M or more .. its for a QB, LT, WR, CB, pass rusher. Thats it.

15M on a 185M cap = 12.33% of your entire cap. For a guard. For a guard that needs to just stick their fat short arms out there and grab some shoulder pads and anchor for 2.3 seconds.

Sign LT Villanueva or somebody for 15M per. At least LT have much more job responsibilities than a guard.

A guard is basically a chair. An obstacle. Just stand there and try not to get pushed back to much for 2.3 seconds. Can you manage that fat boy? God forbid we ask them to chip a guy or something.

yeah .. we need to spend 15M on the rare occasion one of our fat guards needs to have enough awareness to chip a guy before locking onto his main assignment. His main assignment usually the other teams fat unathletic player lined up directly across from him.

besides the run game sucked this year and every year. its not like we are opening running lanes or turning guys or getting push off the snap.[/quote]

I agree with him here. Scherff is a great guard, however his availability is a concern for someone you're going to give 12% of your salary cap too. Give him 13 mil for for 5 or 6 years and lets move on...if he won't take it, tag him and let him explore his options.

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If u let BS walk, who replaces him? We have bigger holes to fill at KEY positions.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1277917]If u let BS walk, who replaces him? We have bigger holes to fill at KEY positions.[/quote]

2019 4th R - Wes Martin
2020 4th R - Shaadiq Charles

Weve been preparing for this moment. Wes didnt impress and Shaadiq got hurt but I dont mind some growing pains at RG if that guy is lined up next to MOses and Roullier and it allows us to upgrade LT or LB.

Would you rather have:

- LB Lamonte David (assume 12M per)
- 3rd R comp pick
- Charles at RG
- extra 3M in cap space

OR

- 30 year old Brandon Scherff at RG

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We got the best years out of Scherff. Great teammate, great player.

Its time.

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[quote=SunnySide;1277923]2019 4th R - Wes Martin
2020 4th R - Shaadiq Charles

Weve been preparing for this moment. Wes didnt impress and Shaadiq got hurt but I dont mind some growing pains at RG if that guy is lined up next to MOses and Roullier and it allows us to upgrade LT or LB.

Would you rather have:

- LB Lamonte David (assume 12M per)
- 3rd R comp pick
- Charles at RG
- extra 3M in cap space

OR

- 30 year old Brandon Scherff at RG

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We got the best years out of Scherff. Great teammate, great player.

Its time.[/quote]

Can't imagine anyone can argue that one! I want Scherff back, make no mistake, just don't think it's worth breaking the bank for him at that position.

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I like Scherff sometimes you pay a guy so everyone knows we pay our own. Wes Martin did play better at RG than LG two years ago if I remember rightly.

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[quote=Redskins247;1277926]Can't imagine anyone can argue that one! I want Scherff back, make no mistake, just don't think it's worth breaking the bank for him at that position.[/quote]


This.

If he won't work out a long term deal on a more reasonable salary, tag and trade him.

[B]Wes Martin[/B] is depth --- and needs to make a jump to save his spot on the roster.
[B]Shaadiq Charles[/B] - let's see what we have here.
[B]Ketih Ismael[/B] - primarily a center, but he did fill in at RG in college. Maybe he can be the answer.

[B]Snag a FA. Spend a draft pick. [/B]

But don't break the bank on Brandon.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1277934]I like Scherff sometimes you pay a guy so everyone knows we pay our own. Wes Martin did play better at RG than LG two years ago if I remember rightly.[/quote]

Obviously Tom Brady was a major component of NE’s sustained success (see 2020-21 record) but I do think it is worth mentioning that there is something to be said for Belicheck’s approach to letting top tier FA’s walk, almost yearly, and sign smart, mid tier FA’s that fit a specific skill set he was looking for. It allows you to develop quality starters and backup depth across multiple position groups instead of super star/elite talent at a few position groups with subpar talent everywhere else bc you are cap strapped by your biggest contracts.

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I'd love to see Scherff sign long term but given the cap and the nature of the NFL these days, I can see him being to expensive to keep. Tag him and if no trade offers come in, I'd draft a replacement and let him walk next year.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1277944]I'd love to see Scherff sign long term but given the cap and the nature of the NFL these days, I can see him being to expensive to keep. Tag him and if no trade offers come in, I'd draft a replacement and let him walk next year.[/quote]

I could live with that.

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You don't pay guards 15 million a year. You pay your tackles that kind of money. I like BS. He has been more than solid for us when healthy, but you have to be willing to walk away if it becomes a bad deal for the team.

However on the flip side it looks like we won't be paying a QB big money so might as well overpay someone valuable. This is a tough one..

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[quote=SkinzWin;1277941]Obviously Tom Brady was a major component of NE’s sustained success (see 2020-21 record) but I do think it is worth mentioning that there is something to be said for Belicheck’s approach to letting top tier FA’s walk, almost yearly, and sign smart, mid tier FA’s that fit a specific skill set he was looking for. It allows you to develop quality starters and backup depth across multiple position groups instead of super star/elite talent at a few position groups with subpar talent everywhere else bc you are cap strapped by your biggest contracts.[/quote]

Concur. But keep in mind Pats usually had one total stud at each level. They also had Brady's coattails attracting low-priced vets signing well-below market deals year after year.

Pats primarily built teams through drafts. You only get to that point by drafting well 4-5 years in a row. What Belicheat was actually doing was playing the comp pick game. Which is very smart. When you look at signing a pending FA to a huge deal, the cost isn't just the salary, but the comp pick you forsake. This coming year, Pats have a 3rd and 2 4ths probably, comps. Letting these vets walk makes no sense if you are simply signing other vets who may not fit your system, and negate comp picks.

The other thing, is that Belicheat understood several things (1) the draft is a lottery (2) most picks bust (3) the draft is the best way to build a team (4) success in the draft means maximizing number of tickets rather than focusing on higher-probability tickets (1st round picks). Belicheat repeatedly traded out of first round for 2nd round picks, and for picks in future years. He had this luxury, the extreme long view, because of job security. But once you eat the shitburger and get the machine grinding, at the cost of short term success, you end up with 2-4 comps each year, plus 1-2 extra picks per year trading back or future years, say 4 picks extra per year, hit on half, over say five year window, that is 10 extra starters or solid contributors minimum via draft on roster any given time, versus teams that suck. Imagine right now if we had 10 extra solid guys on team: a CB, a LT, a WR, a FS, a MLB, etc. Man would our roster be more rounded. We wouldn't have to sign tons of FAs (which negate our comp picks). The key point is that you only get to that point by adhering religiously to a strategy of minimizing FAs, building through draft, trading back lots, and NOT making dumb trades that surrender huge volumes of draft picks. You can also sign many FAs to short term deals and let them walk and get some comp picks, early in process.

Imagine going into draft this year with 3-4 comp picks, and next year, etc. Plus 1-2 add'l from tradebacks. What we should be doing--that math is emphatic--is trading back every time we can so long as value is fair, even if for future picks (which you discount one round). We need several drafts of 10+ picks, for like 5 years. But your point about lots of solid guys versus a few stars is true. However, the best teams have both, but their stars are usually home grown talent that resigning after drafting doesn't cost comp picks. If you don't work the comp formula, all else being equal (competent GMs and coaching), you will get beaten by teams that do. Two equally competent teams, one with 3-4 more draft picks per year, the one with more picks will come out ahead long term.

Look at KC. How many stud WRs RBs have they found in mid late rounds? I would carefully study how they are evaluating players.

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Exactly 3 weeks until the league year starts.

Lots of WR options out there. Hopefully we end up with at least 1 of them.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1277979]Exactly 3 weeks until the league year starts.

Lots of WR options out there. Hopefully we end up with at least 1 of them.[/quote]

I would be shocked if we didn't sign a WR to take the #2 spot.

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[quote=GridIron26;1277986]I would be shocked if we didn't sign a WR to take the #2 spot.[/quote]

Agreed. I would be pissed if we didn't. We need a bona-fide No. 2.

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Problem is the likely 3 top candidates, Robinson, Godwin and Golladay, are likely to be tagged (if not re-signed) so we could be fighting over the 'scraps'. NFL.com article suggests Jets should go after Samuel and we'll end up with Fuller. Wouldn't say no to Fuller, but I'd rather have Samuel, not least because he doesn't have a suspension in place.

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The Bears would be clowns if they let AR go for nothing

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[QUOTE=GridIron26;1277986]I would be shocked if we didn't sign a WR to take the #2 spot.[/QUOTE]



That would really open up our options in the draft. Especially our first four picks. WR is clearly the deepest free agency market. We really need a number two so we can address the O line and the middle of our defense and cb in the draft. That would be a dream scenario. We would be complete! (Realizes we still need a quarterback [emoji22]).
If Jones falls to us at 19 or another one of the top qb’s take them. Then address the o line and mlb.

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“If he goes to market, he’s probably going to get top money,” said Jason Fitzgerald, a salary-cap and contract expert for Over the Cap. “He’s got too much pedigree behind him. You’re really not going to compromise much on price.” Fitzgerald predicted a $15.5 million average annual salary with $35 million in guarantees for Scherff, who told reporters after the season that he “absolutely” wanted to return.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1278059]“If he goes to market, he’s probably going to get top money,” said Jason Fitzgerald, a salary-cap and contract expert for Over the Cap. “He’s got too much pedigree behind him. You’re really not going to compromise much on price.” Fitzgerald predicted a $15.5 million average annual salary with $35 million in guarantees for Scherff, who told reporters after the season that he “absolutely” wanted to return.[/quote]

15.5/year is the amount I'd offer. He got 15 million last year, hard to imagine he'd not want a raise on his salary in whatever contract he signed.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1278063]15.5/year is the amount I'd offer. He got 15 million last year, hard to imagine he'd not want a raise on his salary in whatever contract he signed.[/quote]

Yeah I'd be good with 15.5M/yr. The only thing that'd make me reluctant to going higher is availability issues...

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If I'm BS I might opt to take the $18M tag this year and hit the open market next year.