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75 percent of hate crimes committed by extreme right over last ten years. Your post is just a sad attempt to rewrite reality.

Your last statement is the only true part of your post and yet your rhetoric against Transgender people is a daily thing on this board. Jesus Christ.

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[quote=punch it in;1340514]75 percent of hate crimes committed by extreme right over last ten years. Your post is just a sad attempt to rewrite reality.

Your last statement is the only true part of your post and yet your rhetoric against Transgender people is a daily thing on this board. Jesus Christ.[/quote]

Pointing out specifics is attempting to rewrite history. Got it.

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[quote=Chico23231;1340515]Pointing out specifics is attempting to rewrite history. Got it.[/quote]

LOL, you make up shit.

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[quote=Chico23231;1340510]Punch, not once did I say right wing violence doesn’t occur..but to ignore the left violence we are seeing a rise in over the last ten years is laughable.

We have like 30 Antifa and left wing protesters arrest in Georgia under domestic terrorists chargers recently

Transgender and nonbinary mass shooters over the last couple years

You had the BLM riots which billions in damages done, 27 killed and 100s of police officers injured

[B]Yet you ignore Jan 6th[/B]

You have Police ambush style killing which are a result of anti police rhetoric from the left

[B]Not from the Left, from Criminals, you assume are criminals are leftist[/B]

You had pro life clinics attacks and firebombed by left wing activists after the Roe decision

[B]LOL, nope that's a Tea Party Christian Right thing![/B]


You had illegal Supreme Court protest at their house, where a left winger attempted an assassination. Big Reddit and discord user

[B] Not illegal to protest a SCJ. He never attempted anything he called the Police on himself he had mental issues[/B]


You know most hate crimes committed aginst Asians and Jews are committed in California and New York/New Jersey? And majority of offenders are POC..not the klan fantasy you want it to be.

[B]This is a Bold Face BS lie you constantly come up with. Are they all Klan members , no, they are wanna be's, only a moron like yourself would think there is a difference.[/B]

I think we will see a continuation of political violence on both sides if the rhetoric doesn’t stop.[/quote]


[B]I think we see a continuation of your BS! You're a great example of the "rhetoric" you bitch about![/B]

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1340515]Pointing out specifics is attempting to rewrite history. Got it.[/QUOTE]


Yes when you point out specifics (most of which are opinions) about 25 percent of the whole while ignoring the other 75 percent of the whole you are attempting to rewrite history. Glad you got it. I knew my inspirational plea for you to see the big picture last night would work! Baby steps.

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[quote=Giantone;1340517][B]I think we see a continuation of your BS! You're a great example of the "rhetoric" you bitch about![/B][/quote]

Let me suggest Political Science and best selling author Wilfred Reilly ( African American) who has written extensively about the rise of antisemitism and Asian hate, along with his data sets that prove that last point about who/where these crimes are committed. Here is an article which grabs a lot from his 2019 book:

[url]https://www.commentary.org/articles/wilfred-reilly/crime-against-asians-isnt-due-to-white-supremacy/[/url]

Lol and Reilly isn’t a Trump fan

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1340530]Let me suggest Political Science and best selling author Wilfred Reilly ( African American) who has written extensively about the rise of antisemitism and Asian hate, along with his data sets that prove that last point about who/where these crimes are committed. Here is an article which grabs a lot from his 2019 book:

[url]https://www.commentary.org/articles/wilfred-reilly/crime-against-asians-isnt-due-to-white-supremacy/[/url]

Lol and Reilly isn’t a Trump fan[/QUOTE]


You are sort of moving the goalposts here. Now focusing solely on asian and jewish hate crimes. Bottom line is still the 75/25 over ten years overall.

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Is one kind of murder worse than another kind?

Can't imagine anyone I know getting murdered and thinking something like, whew, at least it wasn't a hate crime. He just got shot during a robbery.

We all do it, because the human condition sucks sometimes. We focus on things that validate what we already think, and downplay the rest.

This country simply doesn’t value the sanctity of life. And it's just getting worse and worse. So we will continue to see death come from all angles.

Life is fucking precious. Let's act like it.

Note - If you're a racist, white trash loser, that kills someone because they're not you, go fuck yourself. You're pure evil.

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Kids showing up to the wrong door step or driveway getting shot... when is enough enough?

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[B]You know the right wing republicans answer is,......more guns![/B]

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[quote=MTK;1340731]Kids showing up to the wrong door step or driveway getting shot... when is enough enough?[/quote]

What does this have to do with the 2nd amendment? Unless you're now arguing that all guns should be outlawed.

The guy is a murderer and should be prosecuted as such.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1340737]What does this have to do with the 2nd amendment? Unless you're now arguing that all guns should be outlawed.

The guy is a murderer and should be prosecuted as such.[/quote]

If it has to be spelled out at this point what a problem guns are I don't know what else to say. And no I'm not saying all guns should be outlawed. No reasonable person is saying that. But how about making it a little more difficult for people to get a gun in the first place?

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[url]https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-news/mariah-white-defends-decision-april-18-2023[/url]

School leader defends decision not to expel Richmond student who allegedly threatened to shoot teacher

Peak into why Richmond city schools are consistently ranked at the bottom of the state. They allow students to threaten to shoot teachers.

“ Multiple teachers at the school said they were scared for their lives because they did not know if the student had received any mental health treatment, or what type of interventions the school would have in place to keep students and staff safe.”

These are the same folks who claim a single armed security at a school “makes it seem like a prison” while Richmond city as well as Democratic run county outside the city just approved 10 million in tax money to install metal detectors in high schools. What type of retard thinks an armed security guard looks worse than metals detectors to come into school each day?

These people don’t care about protecting kids or teachers, they are fucking joke

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[quote=MTK;1340739]If it has to be spelled out at this point what a problem guns are I don't know what else to say. And no I'm not saying all guns should be outlawed. No reasonable person is saying that. But how about making it a little more difficult for people to get a gun in the first place?

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This was a 65 year old man that probably has had that gun for a long time. Making guns a little more difficult to get was not going to stop this from happening. The 2nd amendment is not relevant to this shooting unless you don't think people should be able to own guns at all.

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[quote=MTK;1340739]If it has to be spelled out at this point what a problem guns are I don't know what else to say. And no I'm not saying all guns should be outlawed. No reasonable person is saying that. But how about making it a little more difficult for people to get a gun in the first place?

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Serious question, if we know illegal guns are used in 70-85% in gun violence, why don’t you support locking up these folks in illegal possession of a firearm?

No more discussion on gun control unless we enforce the laws on the books. No cashless bails for guns or violent crime.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1340743]This was a 65 year old man that probably has had that gun for a long time. Making guns a little more difficult to get was not going to stop this from happening. The 2nd amendment is not relevant to this shooting unless you don't think people should be able to own guns at all.[/quote]

this thread has turned into more of an all encompassing gun discussion vs pure 2nd amendment so let's not get bogged down in semantics

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[quote=Chico23231;1340745]Serious question, if we know illegal guns are used in 70-85% in gun violence, why don’t you support locking up these folks in illegal possession of a firearm?

No more discussion on gun control unless we enforce the laws on the books. No cashless bails for guns or violent crime.[/quote]

Who said I don't? I'm all for enforcement of existing laws in addition to strengthening them. They need to go hand in hand though and the gun nuts don't want either.

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[quote=MTK;1340747]Who said I don't? I'm all for enforcement of existing laws in addition to strengthening them. They need to go hand in hand though and the gun nuts don't want either.[/quote]


Anybody possession of illegal firearms….no cashless bail and federally mandated 2 year prison sentence. Anybody caught committing a crime with a gun, minimum 10 year prison sentence on top of additional charges

If guns are the problem, show me you care

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[quote=MTK;1340746]this thread has turned into more of an all encompassing gun discussion vs pure 2nd amendment so let's not get bogged down in semantics[/quote]

I guess I'm just missing the point of your post then. Unless, it's just that guns are bad. And I'd submit guns are not bad, people that shoot people are bad. Guns are the only instrument of violence where the object gets the blame and the people shooting them are a distant 2nd. We injure/kill each other in lots of different ways, we never have these discussions for knives, bats, hands, cars, etc., etc.

Nothing was stopping this shooting besides guns being outlawed or this guy not being a piece of shit.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1340754]I guess I'm just missing the point of your post then. Unless, it's just that guns are bad. And I'd submit guns are not bad, people that shoot people are bad. Guns are the only instrument of violence where the object gets the blame and the people shooting them are a distant 2nd. We injure/kill each other in lots of different ways, we never have these discussions for knives, bats, hands, cars, etc., etc.

Nothing was stopping this shooting besides guns being outlawed or this guy not being a piece of shit.[/quote]

Simple point is guns are part of the problem. I'll emphasize part of the problem, not the only problem. The US is an outlier when compared to the rest of the world. We have the most guns, we have the most gun violence. It's been shown time and time again that countries with tighter gun control have less gun violence. Gun violence and specifically mass shootings are a uniquely American problem. But what I keep hearing from people like yourself is oh well, nothing would have stopped this latest incident so why bother trying anything.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1340737]What does this have to do with the 2nd amendment? Unless you're now arguing that all guns should be outlawed.

The guy is a murderer and should be prosecuted as such.[/quote]


IMO, it's all intertwined. I don't advocate to take guns away but I don't understand the fight back against licensing gun owners like we do with cars. There are age limits, and restrictions and rules and laws to follow all to do with safety. If I can't pass the eye test I can't get my license or renew it till I see a Dr. notice they won't take my car away. But I will need insurance and such. IMO I just think this is common sense but we all know the [B][SIZE="5"]NRA[/SIZE][/B] will scream it is [B]"infringing on my 2nd Amendment Rights"[/B]. Sorry but a gun owner needs to explain it to me. It's not the gun it's the gun operator but why shouldn't the gun operator be held to a high standard as much as a operator of a vehicle?

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[quote=MTK;1340758]Simple point is guns are part of the problem. I'll emphasize part of the problem, not the only problem. The US is an outlier when compared to the rest of the world. We have the most guns, we have the most gun violence. It's been shown time and time again that countries with tighter gun control have less gun violence. Gun violence and specifically mass shootings are a uniquely American problem. [B]But what I keep hearing from people like yourself is oh well, nothing would have stopped this latest incident so why bother trying anything.[/B][/quote]

I just think this example is not the right one to use to make the point your trying to make. These type shootings cannot be legislated out of happening, unless the legislation is to ban all guns. This guy is a scumbag that needs to spend the rest of his life in prison, so he cannot shoot anyone else ever again.

In regards to me personally, I have previously stated I'm for raising the age to own guns to 21, background checks, spending on mental healthcare, etc. My dog in the fight isn't about requirements to own a gun, I just care about not banning certain type guns.

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[quote=Giantone;1340763]IMO, it's all intertwined. I don't advocate to take guns away but I don't understand the fight back against licensing gun owners like we do with cars. There are age limits, and restrictions and rules and laws to follow all to do with safety. If I can't pass the eye test I can't get my license or renew it till I see a Dr. notice they won't take my car away. But I will need insurance and such. IMO I just think this is common sense but we all know the [B][SIZE="5"]NRA[/SIZE][/B] will scream it is [B]"infringing on my 2nd Amendment Rights"[/B]. Sorry but a gun owner needs to explain it to me. It's not the gun it's the gun operator but why shouldn't the gun operator be held to a high standard as much as a operator of a vehicle?[/quote]

Someone else will have to answer those for you, because I don't disagree on them.

I just believe all lawfully abiding citizens have the right to own guns of their choosing.

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We definitely have a gun crime problem, laws on the books but people refuse to actually enforce the laws and lock up criminals which works.

Until we start to lock up the criminals and enforce gun laws, then I’m a solid no on any new gun laws.

Why create more laws if you fail to enforce them? At this point you are purposely attacking law abiding citizens with guns aka the overwhelming majority

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1340765]I just think this example is not the right one to use to make the point your trying to make. These type shootings cannot be legislated out of happening, unless the legislation is to ban all guns. This guy is a scumbag that needs to spend the rest of his life in prison, so he cannot shoot anyone else ever again.

In regards to me personally, I have previously stated I'm for raising the age to own guns to 21, background checks, spending on mental healthcare, etc. My dog in the fight isn't about requirements to own a gun, I just care about not banning certain type guns.[/quote]

I wasn't trying to say these shootings involving kids showing up at the wrong place could have been prevented with gun control. I was just bringing them up in the grand scheme of the gun control debate in general. But who knows, maybe they could have been prevented if we had jumped on gun control reform years ago and aggressively funded mental health related support programs. We'll never know 100%. To me it's just sad that in the US we have a clear health and safety issue and we've prioritized guns and the 2nd amendment over all else.

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[quote=Chico23231;1340751]Anybody possession of illegal firearms….no cashless bail and federally mandated 2 year prison sentence. Anybody caught committing a crime with a gun, minimum 10 year prison sentence on top of additional charges

If guns are the problem, show me you care[/quote]

I rarely say this, but Chico has a valid point. Firearm crimes are most rampant in urban areas with large populations, and it's predominantly where illegal weapons are used to commit those crimes. Yet voters in urban areas overwhelmingly favor DA's in elections who are not tough on crime.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1340766]Someone else will have to answer those for you, because I don't disagree on them.

I just believe all lawfully abiding citizens have the right to own guns of their choosing.[/quote]

So the ability to handle that gun correctly/safely should have nothing to do with if that person should have a gun? Many lawfully abiding citizens are not allowed to drive because they can not operate the vehicle safely, why are guns different?

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[url]https://news.yahoo.com/photos-show-kids-young-6-202546530.html[/url]

Photos show kids as young as 6 handling guns at the NRA's annual meeting. Guns are the leading cause of death among US children.


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[quote=Giantone;1340819][url]https://news.yahoo.com/photos-show-kids-young-6-202546530.html[/url]

Photos show kids as young as 6 handling guns at the NRA's annual meeting. Guns are the leading cause of death among US children.


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This is the true grooming that’s going on in this country

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[quote=Giantone;1340775]So the ability to handle that gun correctly/safely should have nothing to do with if that person should have a gun? Many lawfully abiding citizens are not allowed to drive because they can not operate the vehicle safely, why are guns different?[/quote]

I just believe all physically/mentally fit lawfully abiding citizens have the right to own guns of their choosing.*

Also, I have no problem with gun safety courses being a requirement prior to purchasing a gun, and definitely before your 1st gun.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1340751]Anybody possession of illegal firearms….no cashless bail and federally mandated 2 year prison sentence. Anybody caught committing a crime with a gun, minimum 10 year prison sentence on top of additional charges

If guns are the problem, show me you care[/QUOTE]


So we need to wait until a crime is committed? Until someone dies? How bout we just do a little bit better making sure that they aren’t as accessible as baseball cards? Do you really think that some dipshit criminal is going to have an epiphany about what he is about to do because some dude on the block got a ten year prison sentence?

Im not opposed to your idea at all. Hell give em 20. But the true problem is much deeper than that. On several levels actually but Im not even going to go there. Nah fuck that I am. I’ll simply say besides gun availability there is an extremely deep rooted problem with opportunities for most people in those urban areas. I was never 6 years old walking home from kindergarten and being taught about power, money, and opportunity through crime because as a white kid growing up on a brady bunch block I had other avenues.

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Learning about sex at age 6, no big deal. Learning about guns, oh the humanity.

I do agree w/ the article about guns should never be pointed at anyone though, even if empty.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1340827]Learning about sex at age 6, no big deal. Learning about guns, oh the humanity.

I do agree w/ the article about guns should never be pointed at anyone though, even if empty.[/quote]

Are you really comparing a child's sexuality to guns?

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1340827]Learning about sex at age 6, no big deal. Learning about guns, oh the humanity.

I do agree w/ the article about guns should never be pointed at anyone though, even if empty.[/QUOTE]


This is a little off. I mean teaching children about the birds and the bees is one thing. It isn’t like they are teaching them how to perform oral sex.

As far as guns the only thing a six year old should know is not to touch one. Not that it should ever be unattended with a child around.

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[quote=Giantone;1340828]Are you really comparing a child's sexuality to guns?[/quote]

I didn't say anything about anyone's individual sexuality, kids or otherwise.

I said sex.

That is not the same thing.

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[quote=punch it in;1340829][B]This is a little off.[/B] I mean teaching children about the birds and the bees is one thing. It isn’t like they are teaching them how to perform oral sex.

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As far as guns the only thing a six year old should know is not to touch one. Not that it should ever be unattended with a child around.[/quote]

I guess guns are the opposite of boobs, where you want to try to touch all of them, lol.

IMO, if you're going to have guns in your house, then the earlier you can teach your kids about them, the better. I'd rather my make believe kid know about guns and find one in my condo, then somehow get a hold of it w/o knowing about it.

I wouldn't want some stranger teaching my kid about anything sex related, at a young age. Straight, gay, or anything in between or around. And I don't think that's what a teachers' jobs should be. If kids can learn about bangin', they can most certainly learn about guns.

Note - I don't have kids and I don't own a gun (yet). Just hypothetically speaking.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1340832]I didn't say anything about anyone's individual sexuality, kids or otherwise.

I said sex.

That is not the same thing.[/quote]


You might not have meant to but that is the way it came across.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1340833]I guess guns are the opposite of boobs, where you want to try to touch all of them, lol.

IMO, if you're going to have guns in your house, then the earlier you can teach your kids about them, the better. I'd rather my make believe kid know about guns and find one in my condo, then somehow get a hold of it w/o knowing about it.

I wouldn't want some stranger teaching my kid about anything sex related, at a young age. Straight, gay, or anything in between or around. And I don't think that's what a teachers' jobs should be. If kids can learn about bangin', they can most certainly learn about guns.

Note - I don't have kids and I don't own a gun (yet). Just hypothetically speaking.[/QUOTE]


First sentence would have been just fine lol. It is why we have a boob thread. Who wants to look at pictures of guns?

As a parent, and former child lol, i will say that most kids do not want to talk about pee pees and wee wees with their parents. They are much more receptive in health class surrounded by their peers.

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[quote=punch it in;1340838]First sentence would have been just fine lol. It is why we have a boob thread. Who wants to look at pictures of guns?

As a parent, and former child lol, i will say that most kids do not want to talk about pee pees and wee wees with their parents. They are much more receptive in health class surrounded by their peers.[/quote]

Why not both at the same time:

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