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When Mark Levin goes off, nobody the speaks the truth more clear

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[quote=Chico23231;1314000]When Mark Levin goes off, nobody the speaks the truth more clear[/quote]

He is a FOX asswipe, no wonder chico loves him!

[B]TRUTH ?![/B]


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[quote=Chico23231;1312763]FYI:

If the United States is serious about this, they could come back and help us build Keystone XL," Premier Jason Kenney said at a press conference on Monday. "If President Biden had not vetoed that project, it would be done later this year – 840,000 barrels of democratic energy that could have displaced the 600,000 plus barrels of Russian conflict oil that’s filled with the blood of Ukrainians."

[url]https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/canada-premier-keystone-xl-pipeline-biden-killed-russian-oil[/url]

That’s from the Canadians…but the strategy of “playing dumb” now from the idiots above who supported that the move and say dumb shit like that are the direct reason why gas is 4.40 a gallon.[/quote]

chico you're a fool.


[url]https://news.yahoo.com/oil-gas-executives-not-joe-204337317.html[/url]


Oil And Gas Executives Say It's Not Joe Biden Holding Back Domestic Production

The top reason domestic energy production hasn’t ramped up isn’t Joe Biden’s green energy agenda, according to oil company executives. Instead, it’s a lack of enthusiasm from investors.

A majority of oil and gas executives surveyed by the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas this month pointed to pressure from investors as the top obstacle to growth. Less than 10% blamed government regulation.

“We are maintaining discipline in capital spending to maintain great internal rates of return,” said one executive at an unnamed exploration and production firm, referring to profits from earlier investments.

The Dallas Fed survey comes at a moment of fierce political debate over rising gas prices and overall high inflation, with Republicans blaming higher fuel costs entirely on Biden.

Biden’s critics have ignored the fact that Wall Street investors are pressuring U.S. drillers to limit production amid record prices.

More than half — 59% — of the 139 executives surveyed by the Dallas Fed listed investor pressure as the primary reason producers are keeping production down.

Still, in anonymous comments collected by the Fed, several executives did blame their woes on the Biden administration’s green agenda.

“I feel that the primary reason that publicly traded oil producers are restraining growth despite high oil prices is a two-headed monster, with capital discipline and governmental regulations due to the green progressives in the administration’s ear,” one executive from an oil and gas support service firm wrote.

“The talk about price gouging is tiresome,” complained another. “Discussion of federal leases and those leases being unused without an honest discussion about all the constraints and regulatory issues to drill is also unhelpful.”

But other comments reflected the pressure from investors to avoid plowing capital into new exploration and drilling projects.

“Investors dumped huge funds into shale drilling only to discover that when oil prices dropped, very little value existed at the end of the day,” one executive said. “Investors have demanded restraint and capital discipline of their client companies.”

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[quote=Giantone;1314007]He is a FOX asswipe, no wonder chico loves him!

[B]TRUTH ?![/B]

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Are there any conservative politicians or commentators you do like? You say you're a republican, but you seem to hate every single one of them.

I'm not a fan of Levin either, this is moreso just a general question.

I think I found your ideal candidate for 2024 (he would get my vote too)...

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[quote=Chico23231;1314000]When Mark Levin goes off, nobody the speaks the truth more clear[/quote]

Levin is a pussy who showed his belly to Trump. He accuses neo-cons of being part of the Putin wing of the Republican party and you say that is truth?? It's because he is afraid to call out who really are the Putin wing of the GOP.

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[quote=nonniey;1314021]Levin is a pussy who showed his belly to Trump. He accuses neo-cons of being part of the Putin wing of the Republican party and you say that is truth?? It's because he is afraid to call out who really are the Putin wing of the GOP.[/quote]

What is the difference between the neo-con wing and putin wing?

Not including Trump, who do you think are the 2 names on each side that come to mind? (1 house and 1 senate member from each)

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1314000]When Mark Levin goes off, nobody the speaks the truth more clear[/QUOTE]


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FFS Texas

[url]https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2022/03/24/texas-ag-pride-week-lgbtq-austin/7154530001/[/url]

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[quote=nonniey;1314021]Levin is a pussy who showed his belly to Trump. He accuses neo-cons of being part of the Putin wing of the Republican party and you say that is truth?? It's because he is afraid to call out who really are the Putin wing of the GOP.[/quote]

Nonniey what kinda coffee do you drink in the morning? You spitting fire!

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1314025]What is the difference between the neo-con wing and putin wing?

Not including Trump, who do you think are the 2 names on each side that come to mind? (1 house and 1 senate member from each)[/quote]

Neo-cons are conservatives that have a moral interventionist inclination, while the Putin wing are populist pro-Russian isolationists. McCain was probably the epitome of a Neo-con, of those currently in the Senate I'd say Graham, Rubio and possibly McConnel and others would lean that way. Marjorie Taylor Green would be the best example of the Putin wing although she is from the House (Can't think of any Senators that are).

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[quote=nonniey;1314081]Well McCain was probably the epitome of a Neo-con, but of those living probably Graham would be closest to neo-con thinking, Marjorie Taylor Green would be the best example of the Putin wing although she is from the House (Can't think of any Senators that are).[/quote]

I probably should have left out the house/senate split.

Internet discussions are hard for the fine point of discussions.

From my perspective, it read like there was a very distinct line that you felt most republicans landed on. Either neo-con or putin wing.

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I used to semi some what like Levin. I listened to his show on WMAL on my rides home from work. He could give conservative talking points without the hystrionics.

When Trump first won, one of the big talking points was mexico would pay for the wall through tariffs and tariffs on china would be paid by China.

Levin clearly stated over and over thats not how sanctions work, the american people pay for tariffs. "I worked in the Reagan administration and we invented tariffs blah blah blah .."

First few months of Trumps presidency I thought Levin is really going to stick to what he believes and not go MAGA. Then Levin went MAGA .. havent heard his show in a while. Not even sure its still on WMAL.

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there are all talking heads. find someone who preaches your view point then just tune into them exclusively and swim around in your nice confirmation bias fish bowl.

i dont get worked up on what a levin or carlson say.

listening to WMAL today and they had a guy sitting in for Chris Plantt (thank god) and callers literally went like this (and the host is trying to talk about how Ukraine sunk a russian ship at port)

caller: "When you have the whole weight of the govt against one party, when one party controls the ballots, when one party controls the media ... why are we trying to bring change through the ballot boxes?"

host: "well i hope you dont mean a revolution but I do believe the way forward is through ballot boxes .. I hope you dont mean you want a revolution"

caller: "well when the govt is controlled by one party, one party is in control of the ballots putting up cardboard boxes, when one party has all these billionaires giving money .."

A LOT of conservatives legit think the election was rigged and the Dems secretly control the govt

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Our country is in such a weird place.

10% of us our whole identity is "make america white again"

10% is open borders, free healthcare, free college for illegals

80% talks politics like on here then goes home and drinks beer and eats chicken, like champions.

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Has anyone here attended a MAGA or BLM rally? probably not. Even chico rocks trump hard but I dont see him spending his weekends holding up pro-life signs at liberal colleges. I bet chico drinks beer on the weekends, elbow to elbow with liberals and rednecks a like.

but that extreme 20% seems to dominate our news, our social media and politicians pander to the extreme base.

We vote D no matter what, you vote R no matter what ... and we keep rewarding these idiot politicians

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[quote=SunnySide;1314093]I used to semi some what like Levin. I listened to his show on WMAL on my rides home from work. He could give conservative talking points without the hystrionics.

When Trump first won, one of the big talking points was mexico would pay for the wall through tariffs and tariffs on china would be paid by China.

Levin clearly stated over and over thats not how sanctions work, the american people pay for tariffs. "I worked in the Reagan administration and we invented tariffs blah blah blah .."

First few months of Trumps presidency I thought Levin is really going to stick to what he believes and not go MAGA. Then Levin went MAGA .. havent heard his show in a while. Not even sure its still on WMAL.

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there are all talking heads. find someone who preaches your view point then just tune into them exclusively and swim around in your nice confirmation bias fish bowl.

i dont get worked up on what a levin or carlson say.

listening to WMAL today and they had a guy sitting in for Chris Plantt (thank god) and callers literally went like this (and the host is trying to talk about how Ukraine sunk a russian ship at port)

caller: "When you have the whole weight of the govt against one party, when one party controls the ballots, when one party controls the media ... why are we trying to bring change through the ballot boxes?"

host: "well i hope you dont mean a revolution but I do believe the way forward is through ballot boxes .. I hope you dont mean you want a revolution"

caller: "well when the govt is controlled by one party, one party is in control of the ballots putting up cardboard boxes, when one party has all these billionaires giving money .."

A LOT of conservatives legit think the election was rigged and the Dems secretly control the govt[/quote]

Levin was in the position in 2016 of either sticking with his principals or losing his audience (The talk radio base audience became overwhelming MAGA). It is why I said he rolled over and showed his belly and is still afraid to accurately portray what even limited elements of MAGA are, even if he doesn't like some or even many of their positions.

(BTW Glenn Beck is another that showed his belly - ie broadcasters that vehemently opposed Trump and accurately described him that then bent the knee to keep their broadcast position).

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[quote=nonniey;1314095]Levin was in the position in 2016 of either sticking with his principals or losing his audience (The talk radio base audience became overwhelming MAGA). It is why I said he rolled over and showed his belly and is still afraid to accurately portray what even limited elements of MAGA are, even if he doesn't like some or even many of their positions.

(BTW Glenn Beck is another that showed his belly).[/quote]

I used to read every article on glenn beck back before he tried the glenn beck tv show and the website became glitzy/video clippy. It was maybe 5 new articles a day so it was easy to keep up. I agreed with him half the time but I did find he was honest in what he thought.

i think that teddy bear at the border thing back fired on him some how.

anyone not fully maga had to make a professional choice.

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[quote=SunnySide;1314093]I used to semi some what like Levin. I listened to his show on WMAL on my rides home from work. He could give conservative talking points without the hystrionics.

When Trump first won, one of the big talking points was mexico would pay for the wall through tariffs and tariffs on china would be paid by China.

Levin clearly stated over and over thats not how sanctions work, the american people pay for tariffs. "I worked in the Reagan administration and we invented tariffs blah blah blah .."

First few months of Trumps presidency I thought Levin is really going to stick to what he believes and not go MAGA. Then Levin went MAGA .. havent heard his show in a while. Not even sure its still on WMAL.

---------

there are all talking heads. find someone who preaches your view point then just tune into them exclusively and swim around in your nice confirmation bias fish bowl.

i dont get worked up on what a levin or carlson say.

listening to WMAL today and they had a guy sitting in for Chris Plantt (thank god) and callers literally went like this (and the host is trying to talk about how Ukraine sunk a russian ship at port)

caller: "When you have the whole weight of the govt against one party, when one party controls the ballots, when one party controls the media ... why are we trying to bring change through the ballot boxes?"

host: "well i hope you dont mean a revolution but I do believe the way forward is through ballot boxes .. I hope you dont mean you want a revolution"

caller: "well when the govt is controlled by one party, one party is in control of the ballots putting up cardboard boxes, when one party has all these billionaires giving money .."

A LOT of conservatives legit think the election was rigged and the Dems secretly control the govt[/quote]

I like Levin pov…i probably agree 60% on macro issues, probably disagree less on random points or general things. I probably agree with around the same percentage with Carlson.

While nonniey is right about the definition of neo cons…and that’s an older strategy. The world changes, politics change, I disagree with his the populist’s view. I really think strategies can’t be evenly applied, imo it should be different in the Middle East, Russia, South America and other places abroad.

There is animosity in the GOP for Bush’s weapons of mass destruction witch hunt. Nothing has ever turned me more off in recent history than that. I really disliked Bush in his second term and actually voted Obama his first term.

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[quote=SunnySide;1314094]Our country is in such a weird place.

10% of us our whole identity is "make america white again"

10% is open borders, free healthcare, free college for illegals

80% talks politics like on here then goes home and drinks beer and eats chicken, like champions.

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Has anyone here attended a MAGA or BLM rally? probably not. Even chico rocks trump hard but I dont see him spending his weekends holding up pro-life signs at liberal colleges. I bet chico drinks beer on the weekends, elbow to elbow with liberals and rednecks a like.

but that extreme 20% seems to dominate our news, our social media and politicians pander to the extreme base.

We vote D no matter what, you vote R no matter what ... and we keep rewarding these idiot politicians[/quote]

I would go to maga rally for the people watching and the Trump humor.

iTrump is such an unlikeable personality and poor communicator. I mean is it a surprise a stereotypical aggressive, mean, lying, NY businessman be friends with someone like me, friends or family? Fuck no. He is easy to despise.

The problem with Trump, he got things done. And was right about a lot of things. That’s the big problem most people have with him.

It’s easy to trash Trump if he failed… if he had record high inflation, record illegals crossing across the boarder, allowed Russia to take Ukraine, record high energy prices, record high murder rates in liberal cities, record drug overdoses, had kids underperforming in schools across the country, Afghanistan debacle, etc.

So if that was his record, I could def see why he would trash him…that’s what you would expect from a guy not experienced and performing terrible.

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[quote=Chico23231;1314119]

It’s easy to trash Trump if he failed… if he had record high inflation, record illegals crossing across the boarder, allowed Russia to take Ukraine, record high energy prices, record high murder rates in liberal cities, record drug overdoses, had kids underperforming in schools across the country, Afghanistan debacle, etc.

So if that was his record, I could def see why he would trash him…that’s what you would expect from a guy not experienced and performing terrible.[/quote]

LOL, he did fail, it's why he was not re elected DA. It's trump sheep like you that won't admit he is responsible for much of that if not all of it.

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Should have been passed in 1900 the first time. Pretty shitty our representatives failed to pass this in 2018 and 2020. We have a long way to go before all citizens of this country feel welcome in this country.

[url]https://www.npr.org/2022/03/29/1086720579/lynching-is-now-a-federal-hate-crime-after-a-century-of-blocked-efforts[/url]

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1314289]Should have been passed in 1900 the first time. Pretty shitty our representatives failed to pass this in 2018 and 2020. We have a long way to go before all citizens of this country feel welcome in this country.

[url]https://www.npr.org/2022/03/29/1086720579/lynching-is-now-a-federal-hate-crime-after-a-century-of-blocked-efforts[/url][/quote]

Yup, crazy you could lynch someone up until today. It’s really interesting to see what people believe justice is.

Is it justice when a Fairfax county prosecutor gives fives months on multiple felonies to an animal who is released and a couple weeks later kills multiple homeless people across major cities.…or is it trash raised teenage predators who car jack an immigrant killing him only to be convicted as juveniles who will be released after the age 21? Maybe it’s justice that someone can get arrested in NYC for a hate crime against a Jew to be let out the same day only to be re-arrested a couple days later for another hate crime?

I agree, we got a long way to go. Maybe the actual prosecution laws and locking up of criminals would be a start

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1314289]Should have been passed in 1900 the first time. Pretty shitty our representatives failed to pass this in 2018 and 2020. We have a long way to go before all citizens of this country feel welcome in this country.

[url]https://www.npr.org/2022/03/29/1086720579/lynching-is-now-a-federal-hate-crime-after-a-century-of-blocked-efforts[/url][/quote]

Actually surprised this wasn't done in the 60's

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[quote=Giantone;1314295]Actually surprised this wasn't done in the 60's[/quote]

Of course it should be passed the first time it was introduced.

Jfc

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[quote=Chico23231;1314298]Of course it should be passed the first time it was introduced.

Jfc[/quote]

LOL, chico and his phony outrage, good one.

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[quote=nonniey;1314220]Well, we've had a string of shitty Presidents at the worst time for having them. I hope we can break this cycle, but 2024 isn't looking good for our choices.[/quote]

If you had to vote today, and it counted, for the 2024 election, who would you vote for?

This would actually be a good question for anyone here that participates in the political threads.

De Santis would have my vote as of today. The actual election is a long ways off, so there are more answers I need to know about him, but I like him so far.

Note - I transferred this post from the Ukraine thread because I don't want to distract from that discussion, which is infinitely more important than this question.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1314307]If you had to vote today, and it counted, for the 2024 election, who would you vote for?

This would actually be a good question for anyone here that participates in the political threads.

De Santis would have my vote as of today. The actual election is a long ways off, so there are more answers I need to know about him, but I like him so far.

Note - I transferred this post from the Ukraine thread because I don't want to distract from that discussion, which is infinitely more important than this question.[/quote]
So you want more of the same!

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[quote=Chico23231;1314000]When Mark Levin goes off, nobody the speaks the truth more clear[/quote]

This is it.

This is the comment that made me switch sides.

I was on the fence, but this is so clear and concise that everything clicks.

Wow, the left really are terrible people and need to die off so we can create our own state!

Oops, sorry Chico I said the quiet part out load. I'll be better.

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[quote=nonniey;1314095]Levin was in the position in 2016 of either sticking with his principals or losing his audience (The talk radio base audience became overwhelming MAGA). It is why I said he rolled over and showed his belly and is still afraid to accurately portray what even limited elements of MAGA are, even if he doesn't like some or even many of their positions.

[B](BTW Glenn Beck is another that showed his belly - ie broadcasters that vehemently opposed Trump and accurately described him that then bent the knee to keep their broadcast position)[/B].[/quote]

This was/is a serious problem that doesn't get enough talk.

There were [URL="https://youtu.be/2aJ1f1i2JZI"]dime-a-dozen clips[/URL] from 2015/before of GOP politicians speaking truth about Trump. Then they all flipped when they realized their careers in politics would end if they didn't fall in line because their voter base all became Trump diehards.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1314307]If you had to vote today, and it counted, for the 2024 election, who would you vote for?

This would actually be a good question for anyone here that participates in the political threads.

De Santis would have my vote as of today. The actual election is a long ways off, so there are more answers I need to know about him, but I like him so far.

Note - I transferred this post from the Ukraine thread because I don't want to distract from that discussion, which is infinitely more important than this question.[/quote]

Depends on who is running.

In the Primaries of those mentioned possibly running.
Nicki Haley>Tim Scott>Pence>DeSantis
General all the above>Dem (probably there are many I'd just sit out if they were the nominee - ie Sanders>Trump

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"We cannot lose this generation to the mind-control poison that has permeated our schools," the candidate declares. "Our fathers and grandfathers did not die in battle only to lose our freedoms to soul-less Marxism. … We need leaders who love, honor, and respect our nation and are unashamed of its Christian values and traditions. I will be that leader!"
[url]https://www.foxnews.com/politics/virginia-republican-slams-mind-control-poison-infiltrating-schools-in-new-ad[/url]

^^ from a campaign ad for a republican candidate in VA.

DeSantis is just one of many conservatives who spend all their time and effort on pushing the "cultural warfare" agenda. Pandering to their base that the left is mind controlling our children to turn them into gay perverts who hate America.

America is weird.

I dont understand it anymore and I dont even care to.

Kasich is about the only person id vote for. Maybe Manchin. But they are to moderate and dont play the juvenile game of gas lighting, name calling and slogan banging.

American politics are theatrical now.

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Kasich , I wanted him before and I hope he runs again. Romney or Hogan from Maryland.

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Maxine Waters telling homeless people to go home. I mean, you can't make this shit up. CA is for rich people and the people politicians bribe to get rich themselves and maintain power (to get even more rich).

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1314452]Maxine Waters telling homeless people to go home. I mean, you can't make this shit up. CA is for rich people and the people politicians bribe to get rich themselves and maintain power (to get even more rich).

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You seem to have forgotten the Airports


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[quote=Giantone;1314457]You seem to have forgotten the Airports[/quote]

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.......play the video, or is it ok for just certain politicians to screw up talking in public? I get it doesn't fit your agenda but it proves that no matter what you find the chances are trump said and or did something as bad or worse.

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[quote=Giantone;1314464].......play the video, or is it ok for just certain politicians to screw up talking in public? I get it doesn't fit your agenda but it proves that no matter what you find the chances are trump said and or did something as bad or worse.[/quote]

Your response had zero relevance to what I posted. Absolutely none. What someone else said does not make what she said any less stupid.

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My favorite new conspiracy theory…burner phones and call logs. Lol

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[quote=Chico23231;1314468]My favorite new conspiracy theory…burner phones and call logs. Lol[/quote]

Trumps been running his company like a mafia organization for years - he's a master in asking for things to be done without clearly saying it like it's an order. Burner phones are right up his alley if he needed to be discrete and not leave any evidence behind.

And the 7 hour gap? Totally makes sense. Remember when he had a 1 on 1 with Putin and told everybody except the translator to gtfo? Surely he had some innocent reason for that :rolleyes:

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[quote=mooby;1314475]Trumps been running his company like a mafia organization for years - he's a master in asking for things to be done without clearly saying it like it's an order. Burner phones are right up his alley if he needed to be discrete and not leave any evidence behind.

And the 7 hour gap? Totally makes sense. Remember when he had a 1 on 1 with Putin and told everybody except the translator to gtfo? Surely he had some innocent reason for that :rolleyes:[/quote]

Trump is mother fucking Stringer Bell

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[quote=Chico23231;1314480]Trump is mother fucking Stringer Bell[/quote]

Where's Omar when you need him?

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1314465]Your response had zero relevance to what I posted. Absolutely none. What someone else said does not make what she said any less stupid.[/quote]

Did I defend her, no. I pointed out that the maga guy is just as stupid , actual a bit more.