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[quote=Swarley;1312577]They do not have good WR's, they basically have Michael Pittman Jr. and TY who missed a good chunk of the season, and was barely a factor when he did return.

This very good o-line was absolutely terrible at pass pro, way worse than our own team and we barely had starters playing.

but it is what it is I guess, I'll leave it here because I'm sure you've fully made up your mind.[/quote]

Well we shall see. You can throw all the stats out the window, the facts are in a QB starved league two teams kicked him to the curb. Those two teams really didn't or don't have good QB options but they both didn't care and moved on from him. That to me is the most telling thing over any stat. Two NFL former QB's were head coaches of those teams.

Scott needs to roll up his sleeves on this one. If he gets this guy right and somehow get the 2017 Wentz then Scott and Zampese are the MVP's of this team and the trade was a steal. But I doubt that happens.

I'm drafting Garrett Wilson. We are going to need to get another stud wr for Wentz.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1312584]Well we shall see. You can throw all the stats out the window, the facts are in a QB starved league two teams kicked him to the curb. Those two teams really didn't or don't have good QB options but they both didn't care and moved on from him. That to me is the most telling thing over any stat. Two NFL former QB's were head coaches of those teams.

Scott needs to roll up his sleeves on this one. If he gets this guy right and somehow get the 2017 Wentz then Scott and Zampese are the MVP's of this team and the trade was a steal. But I doubt that happens.

I'm drafting Garrett Wilson. We are going to need to get another stud wr for Wentz.[/quote]

Indy dropping him is perplexing, Philly legit thought Hurts was the next Lamar and they got a 1st rounder for him.

As far as Indy they have options to replace him but need to make this move in order to make the next move to replace him.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1312574]I think he complained too much when Hurts was drafted. From the outside looking in, it seems that that people in that organization were split between Hurts and Wentz.[/quote]

Wentz> Hurts


He has a right to pissed and he showed last year he is better then hurts. Eagles fucked up imo.

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1312585]Indy dropping him is perplexing, Philly legit thought Hurts was the next Lamar and they got a 1st rounder for him.

As far as Indy they have options to replace him but need to make this move in order to make the next move to replace him.[/QUOTE]


There was talk that Irsay was furious Wentz didn’t get the vaccine and it was downhill ever since.

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1312586]Wentz> Hurts


He has a right to pissed and he showed last year he is better then hurts. Eagles fucked up imo.[/QUOTE]


Hurst is as bad as a passer as lamar only difference is Lamar is so explosive it makes up for it .


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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1312319]If you're being intellectually honest, you can acknowledge that he still pats the ball and delays throwing it in rhythm, still takes sacks more than most, and he still misses throws which is what got him run out of Philly more than anything else.

But you can also clearly see he can bomb the ball downfield with pretty good accuracy, he can throw off balance, he can still escape, and he's still a pain in the ass to bring to the ground because of his size.

The off balance throws is how he passed for 27 TDs, watch the highlights, so many were off balance. He'll make off schedule plays - Heinicke did that, but more with his legs than anything. Carson can do it by scrambling and throwing 30 yards downfield.

There are positives here but there are also limitations. I actually struggle to see how people hate this move. He's an average quarterback, making average starting quarterback money, and we gave up two picks that turn into average NFL players.

The grade here starts with C for that reason, and if he repeats a 27-7 type of performance for us, it goes up to B or higher. There's no chance we hurt ourselves in the long run - we can cut him at this time next year and carry $0 dead money into 2023.

I think you're upset because you didn't get Russell Wilson, not because you got Carson Wentz.[/QUOTE]


+1

The harsh reality is that his is what progress looks like for Washington football. At least no one’s accusing Snyder of forcing Wentz on RR.

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[quote=HTTR;1312593]+1

The harsh reality is that his is what progress looks like for Washington football. At least no one’s accusing Snyder of forcing Wentz on RR.[/quote]

I will also say this was a well kept secret , no whispers to the media or anything.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1312588]There was talk that Irsay was furious Wentz didn’t get the vaccine and it was downhill ever since.[/quote]

That makes most sense …

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Could be good or bad. He has never been the same since knee injury. Once Foles won the superbowl he was done in phildelphia. Last year the owner did not like him and his last two games were terrible. This could be good or bad.

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[quote=Redskins 2021;1312601]Could be good or bad. He has never been the same since knee injury. Once Foles won the superbowl he was done in phildelphia. Last year the owner did not like him and his last two games were terrible. This could be good or bad.[/quote]

I welcome the acquisition.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1312603]I welcome the acquisition.[/quote]

I don't like your avatar lol.

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So skins weren’t negotiating against themselves, another team was interested and made offers for Wentz.

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Maybe something good could come out of this .. we need some !

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The more I read, the less I am inclined to welcome him.

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[quote=Chico23231;1312609]So skins weren’t negotiating against themselves, another team was interested and made offers for Wentz.[/quote]

Pitt and Cleveland were interested per NFLN , Colts didn't want to deal him in conference I'd imagine

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1312618]Pitt and Cleveland were interested per NFLN , Colts didn't want to deal him in conference I'd imagine[/quote]

Yup…also I think us taking the entire deal this year was what got it done.

But teams were very interested.

I’m sure if he would gone to Pittsburg every bullshit talking head would have given it high praise as a big dub for the Steelers. Fuck them

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[quote=Chico23231;1312619]Yup…also I think us taking the entire deal this year was what got it done.

But teams were very interested.

I’m sure if he would gone to Pittsburg every bullshit talking head would have given it high praise as a big dub for the Steelers. Fuck them[/quote]

Colin Cowherd (Not a fan of his) actually said this and I give him props for it. He said If Pitt got him they would say they are a contender

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1312620]Colin Cowherd (Not a fan of his) actually said this and I give him props for it. He said If Pitt got him they would say they are a contender[/QUOTE]


Yeah I hate agreeing with Cowturd but he’s been very positive about the move


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If I were the Browns, I’d be looking to avoid giving the big money deal to Baker as well.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1312618]Pitt and Cleveland were interested per NFLN , [B]Colts didn't want to deal him in conference[/B] I'd imagine[/quote]

Ain't that something.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1312628]Ain't that something.[/quote]

if he is so crappy we didn't they, i help trade Dallas TH if they are going to start him.

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[quote=MTK;1312622]Yeah I hate agreeing with Cowturd but he’s been very positive about the move


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If you think about it, the story is good. A former MVP Franchise QB that has won a SB (yes we know he didn't play) comes to a team that is starting fresh as well.

Could be a Cinderella ending

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1312639]If you think about it, the story is good. A former MVP Franchise QB that has won a SB (yes we know he didn't play) comes to a team that is starting fresh as well.

Could be a Cinderella ending[/quote]

With Watson it could have been another type of ending.

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[quote=Chico23231;1312640]With Watson it could have been another type of ending.[/quote]

Heeyyyooooooo

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[url]https://twitter.com/algaldi/status/1502263763428425729?s=21[/url]

Other than Mahomes, Allen and Herbert how many other QBs in the league can make this throw?


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Rodgers probably could make that throw too but the point is not many guys have that arm talent


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Watson is cleared of criminal charges, glad we didn’t 3 fucking days to find out!!!

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[quote=Chico23231;1312640]With Watson it could have been another type of ending.[/quote]

I wish DC could give Watson the happy ending to end all happy endings.

[SIZE="1"]I'm talking about hoisting the Lombardi you perverts. [/SIZE]

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[quote=mredskins;1312654]Watson is cleared of criminal charges, glad we didn’t 3 fucking days to find out!!![/quote]

Unlucky timing for sure... But would we have been able to get him? He has a no trade clause and the market for him would have been huge.
[URL="http://dcsportsking.com/2022/01/04/deshaun-watson-reportedly-wont-waive-no-trade-clause-for-washington/"]Keim reported he wouldn't waive his no trade clause for Washington...[/URL]

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1312648][url]https://twitter.com/algaldi/status/1502263763428425729?s=21[/url]

Other than Mahomes, Allen and Herbert how many other QBs in the league can make this throw?


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Burrow. Rodgers. But I doubt many more. It’s encouraging.


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[quote=mooby;1312662]I wish DC could give Watson the happy ending to end all happy endings.

[SIZE="1"]I'm talking about hoisting the Lombardi you perverts. [/SIZE][/quote]

:food-smil

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Thought I'll go through some of Indy's games from last year to try and make a more founded opinion about Wentz before next season.

Started with their win over Buffalo. A couple of missed throws but overall good game. Made some clutch throws under pressure... and had some of them dropped... The escape and run ability seems to still be there.
I'll watch the infamous Jacksonville game next, but so far quite promising, nothing jaw dropping, nothing alarming, some nice abilities.

5 plays in 3 gifs:

Ball a bit behind but with pressure in his face and in between zones so he couldn't lead Doyle with the throw, catchable ball + a nice throw in a relatively tight window
[IMG]https://media1.giphy.com/media/bvtqVQ6UGXZznR7bZD/giphy.gif[/IMG]

Sack escape and run (nightmares of him in an Eagles jersey escaping Kerrigan and Cie) + another nice throw under pressure, receiver drops it
[IMG]https://media4.giphy.com/media/9tF7sybyifhZzSJB3I/giphy.gif[/IMG]

Another nice throw with somebody up in his ribs
[IMG]https://media4.giphy.com/media/KAgHlwRkExcFiGs3rq/giphy.gif[/IMG]

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Wentz and Heineke are the same age.. you would have thought he’d be atleast 2-3 years older.

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All you have to do is watch the games of Wentz vs us over the last few years… that dude owned us.

If we were to look back at the gameday threads I bet you’d see “wish we had someone like Wentz” in there.

Now they need to figure out a way to restructure his deal and go grab Amari Cooper or draft London at 11. There is no need to draft a QB now, in any round.

They made this move for Ron to have a QB for the rest of his contract in Washington, he was never going to rely on a rookie.


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[quote=skinsfaninok;1312697]All you have to do is watch the games of Wentz vs us over the last few years… that dude owned us.

If we were to look back at the gameday threads I bet you’d see “wish we had someone like Wentz” in there.

Now they need to figure out a way to restructure his deal and go grab Amari Cooper or draft London at 11. There is no need to draft a QB now, in any round.

They made this move for Ron to have a QB for the rest of his contract in Washington, he was never going to rely on a rookie.


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Unfortunately that QB is long gone. He is not the same guy. If he was he'd still be playing in Philly. The people that are for this think we are getting that guy.

I gave the Jay Schreoder comparison. Jay had a John Elway arm and could hit deep balls but didn't have the down in down out accuracy to a consistent starter. He was turning the ball over. Add in the me first entitled attitude and he was shipped out of DC for Jim Lachey. Wentz = Jay S.

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[quote=punch it in;1312562]You better hope he has a really bad year, because if he has a good one….oh boy.[/quote]

I'm rooting for him. It's not like I want him to fail. I don't view him as a bad guy. I just don't think he is the type of QB that I'd want leading my franchise.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1312697]All you have to do is watch the games of Wentz vs us over the last few years… that dude owned us.

If we were to look back at the gameday threads I bet you’d see “wish we had someone like Wentz” in there.

Now they need to figure out a way to restructure his deal and go grab Amari Cooper or draft London at 11. There is no need to draft a QB now, in any round.

They made this move for Ron to have a QB for the rest of his contract in Washington, he was never going to rely on a rookie.


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Also I would totally disagree w/ not drafting a QB. Imo you draft one every year. One of the reasons that this franchise has to make bad trades for QB's is cause they don't have anyone in the pipeline.

One of the reasons this franchise had success was because they drafted QB's all the time.

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You don't draft a QB every year. You study and scout them, and if one you really like falls to you or you are in a position to otherwise move around to get him, fine. But you don't just draft a QB every year just to draft a QB - get them in the "pipeline".

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1312703]You don't draft a QB every year. You study and scout them, and if one you really like falls to you or you are in a position to otherwise move around to get him, fine. But you don't just draft a QB every year just to draft a QB - get them in the "pipeline".[/quote]

You just can’t get the reps to develop them if you draft one each year.

Also another thing, these fucking guys are such pussies these days, we are raising bitches unfortunately. Carson Wentz is a prime example of his ego was so bruised by Hurts being drafted…it’s put his career in jeopardy and why he is here. So it’s another thing to consider when drafting a QB often.

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The problem with Wentz is not that he can't make the throws. No one is questioning his ability to actually throw the football. On that fact alone, he is a definite upgrade over Heinicke. Actually being able to throw the ball is a very important starting point.

The issue is not making the easy plays, the fumbles, the interceptions, etc. A good NFL QB should be completing 64%+ nowadays.

He was 62.6% last year. There are yards on the field with him and turnovers galore.

I don't like the trade, but I will obviously root for him, and eat all the crow in the world if he plays great for us. I'd much rather be wrong and the team be successful.