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[QUOTE=EdmundDorf;1341481]Young
Sweat
Smith-Williams
Toohill
Obada
Henry

You want to throw away who?[/QUOTE]


Obviously Henry is the reason im throwing someone out so not him.

Anderson and Bradley King currently on the roster too. They can take a hike. Id also keep Henry over Smith-Williams if it came down to it. I like Toohill and Obada.

I think Keim mentioned they have been disappointed with JSW’s production.

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[quote=punch it in;1341483]Obviously Henry is the reason im throwing someone out so not him.

Anderson and Bradley King currently on the roster too. They can take a hike. Id also keep Henry over Smith-Williams if it came down to it. I like Toohill and Obada.

I think Keim mentioned they have been disappointed with JSW’s production.[/quote]

Really, I hadn't heard that. Good to know

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Jaelyn Duncan still out there. Fast for a tackle. Maryland guy.

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Duncan gone. Kuntz is my next hope.

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Pace LB and a few decent RBs still available. Also Luke Wypler oddly, major slide , thought he was a 2nd/3rd rounder

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RB, sounds like a backup to Brian Robinson

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[QUOTE=EdmundDorf;1341488]RB, sounds like a backup to Brian Robinson[/QUOTE]


Yeah he supposedly cannot catch. Odd they wouldn’t look for one that can with the departure of McKissic.

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Per Nicki Jhabvala: Newly drafted Commanders RB Chris Rodriguez Jr. posted this on IG today. He lost his mother in January after a battle with Lupus.[IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230429/66b6818f0d7ee6cdac1a315b53e37af9.jpg[/IMG]

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1341490]Per Nicki Jhabvala: Newly drafted Commanders RB Chris Rodriguez Jr. posted this on IG today. He lost his mother in January after a battle with Lupus.[IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230429/66b6818f0d7ee6cdac1a315b53e37af9.jpg[/IMG]

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Mans coming to the team playing for his mama. I know he’s gonna be knocking some dudes around for real.


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[quote=punch it in;1341489]Yeah he supposedly cannot catch. Odd they wouldn’t look for one that can with the departure of McKissic.[/quote]

Yeah, maybe they see Gibson in that role or maybe EB doesn't have that role in the new offense but I think he had it in Kansas City. Still might be looking at McKinnon

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Ekiyor Pace Kuntz all still on the board.

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Nicki Jhabvala on Twitter

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The Commanders had a 3rd-round grade on RB Chris Rodriguez Jr., per sources.
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[quote=punch it in;1341493]Ekiyor Pace Kuntz all still on the board.[/quote]

Kuntz to the Jets

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1341492]Yeah, maybe they see Gibson in that role or maybe EB doesn't have that role in the new offense but I think he had it in Kansas City. Still might be looking at McKinnon[/quote]

I think we will see Gibson running more routes this season honestly.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1341444]I'm just glad they have addressed the most glaring need this offseason - the O-line, with Gates, Wylie, Stromberg, Daniels - so far.[/quote]

For sure, we can't say they didn't address it. But my concern (not meaning I'm positive that they failed, meaning I'm worried) is they did it in a very Ronish way: focusing on position flex. In the end, [I]apart from Wylie[/I] who is a very good signing IMO, [I]who are we confident will be a clear cut improvement over what we had last year[/I] ? And I mean, our OL was BAD last year. Not just because of injuries.
[I]Sure depth and position flex are nice, but you do need some quality starters.[/I]

In that view, I like the 4th round pick who could turn out to be a valuable pick (even though he most likely is another quality depth guy), but I don't understand the 3rd round pick, you can find legit starters in the 3rd and we got another position flex guy...

So we can for sure say [I]we improved our Oline's bench[/I], but to what extent did we improve our starting Oline ?

That and the fact they still [I]haven't properly addressed LB[/I] is a head scratcher to me.

3rd round grade RB in the 6th is nice. 2 others depth edge rushers makes zero sense to me in our situation.

Yeah yeah I know, we can still sign guys. But I have this weird feeling Ron is satisfied with this roster and we'll get another year (3rd in a row?) of "why. the. f. didn't they sign another LB ?".

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[QUOTE=FrenchSkin;1341498]For sure, we can't say they didn't address it. But my concern (not meaning I'm positive that they failed, meaning I'm worried) is they did it in a very Ronish way: focusing on position flex. In the end, [I]apart from Wylie[/I] who is a very good signing IMO, [I]who are we confident will be a clear cut improvement over what we had last year[/I] ? And I mean, our OL was BAD last year. Not just because of injuries.
[I]Sure depth and position flex are nice, but you do need some quality starters.[/I]

In that view, I like the 4th round pick who could turn out to be a valuable pick (even though he most likely is another quality depth guy), but I don't understand the 3rd round pick, you can find legit starters in the 3rd and we got another position flex guy...

So we can for sure say [I]we improved our Oline's bench[/I], but to what extent did we improve our starting Oline ?

That and the fact they still [I]haven't properly addressed LB[/I] is a head scratcher to me.

3rd round grade RB in the 6th is nice. 2 others depth edge rushers makes zero sense to me in our situation.

Yeah yeah I know, we can still sign guys. But I have this weird feeling Ron is satisfied with this roster and we'll get another year (3rd in a row?) of "why. the. f. didn't they sign another LB ?".[/QUOTE]


Agree with this except KJ Henry is gonna be a good player and most likely Chase or Montez is gone after the year. I think Henry can contribute greatly this year too.

With the RB that was Ron and Martins grade. I don’t think many had him graded as a third rounder at all. Would have liked Kuntz the TE there. Fast, strong, size, good hands. Only thing that kept him outta the early rounds was going to a small school.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1341498]For sure, we can't say they didn't address it. But my concern (not meaning I'm positive that they failed, meaning I'm worried) is they did it in a very Ronish way: focusing on position flex. In the end, [I]apart from Wylie[/I] who is a very good signing IMO, [I]who are we confident will be a clear cut improvement over what we had last year[/I] ? And I mean, our OL was BAD last year. Not just because of injuries.
[I]Sure depth and position flex are nice, but you do need some quality starters.[/I]

In that view, I like the 4th round pick who could turn out to be a valuable pick (even though he most likely is another quality depth guy), but I don't understand the 3rd round pick, you can find legit starters in the 3rd and we got another position flex guy...

So we can for sure say [I]we improved our Oline's bench[/I], but to what extent did we improve our starting Oline ?

That and the fact they still [I]haven't properly addressed LB[/I] is a head scratcher to me.

3rd round grade RB in the 6th is nice. 2 others depth edge rushers makes zero sense to me in our situation.

Yeah yeah I know, we can still sign guys. But I have this weird feeling Ron is satisfied with this roster and we'll get another year (3rd in a row?) of "why. the. f. didn't they sign another LB ?".[/quote]

You can dislike many things RR has done as head coach, but since he's been here, I have not seen him dial it down after the draft - satisfied with the roster. Many moves have been made between the draft and the start of the season over the last few years.

I don't understand why position flex is a bad thing. Just because someone is versatile, and can play multiple positions, doesn't mean he isn't a quality starter. Position flex = depth. Injuries are going to happen, and you can't have a bunch of one-trick ponies on your O-line and expect to get through those times. The number 1 thing I think everyone said we had to do this offseason is improve the O-line. Is Gates not better than Norwell? Is Wylie not better than Lucas? Stromberg and Daniels have a shot to come in and compete for a starting spot. The interior of the O-line looks a lot better now than it did at season's end, as does RT. Would Avila, Schmitz, Torrance, or someone else (if they were drafted) have come in and been a clear-cut starter? Maybe...but no one knows that for sure, anymore than they know that Stromberg or Daniels won't. Do I wish we had the chance to draft a guy like B. Jones in the first? Absolutely, but that's not the way the draft fell. LT is a position that we still need to address in my opinion. Maybe they can still do something about it this year, maybe not. Time will tell.

As far as LB goes, we just have to get used to the idea that they are going to run Davis and Barton out there for the majority of snaps, and use a DB to cover down. That's the scheme, and it can work (it has worked) - especially now that they have seemingly improved the secondary as well.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1341504]You can dislike many things RR has done as head coach, but since he's been here, I have not seen him dial it down after the draft - satisfied with the roster. Many moves have been made between the draft and the start of the season over the last few years.



I don't understand why position flex is a bad thing. Just because someone is versatile, and can play multiple positions, doesn't mean he isn't a quality starter. Position flex = depth. Injuries are going to happen, and you can't have a bunch of one-trick ponies on your O-line and expect to get through those times. The number 1 thing I think everyone said we had to do this offseason is improve the O-line. Is Gates not better than Norwell? Is Wylie not better than Lucas? Stromberg and Daniels have a shot to come in and compete for a starting spot. The interior of the O-line looks a lot better now than it did at season's end, as does RT. Would Avila, Schmitz, Torrance, or someone else (if they were drafted) have come in and been a clear-cut starter? Maybe...but no one knows that for sure, anymore than they know that Stromberg or Daniels won't. Do I wish we had the chance to draft a guy like B. Jones in the first? Absolutely, but that's not the way the draft fell. LT is a position that we still need to address in my opinion. Maybe they can still do something about it this year, maybe not. Time will tell.



As far as LB goes, we just have to get used to the idea that they are going to run Davis and Barton out there for the majority of snaps, and use a DB to cover down. That's the scheme, and it can work (it has worked) - especially now that they have seemingly improved the secondary as well.[/QUOTE]

It's not that position flex is a bad thing. It's that it feels like Ron prioritizes this over other skills. Hence we end up with Stromberg who is viewed a back up by many. In the 3rd round you can expect to find starters.

Wylie is the only clear cut upgrade IMO. We can hope Gates is better than Norwell... But that's not a guarantee. We thought we were getting a very decent vet in Norwell. And we think we're getting a solid vet in Gates... Let's pray our hopes are legit this time around...

Barton is a good signing... But if one of him or Davis gets hurt were back to David Ketchup.
How can we go full depth on the secondary, Oline and Dline "because injuries happen", but with LB "meh, we got 2 decentish starters, we'll be fine!" ?

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1341501]Agree with this except KJ Henry is gonna be a good player and most likely Chase or Montez is gone after the year. I think Henry can contribute greatly this year too.

With the RB that was Ron and Martins grade. I don’t think many had him graded as a third rounder at all. Would have liked Kuntz the TE there. Fast, strong, size, good hands. Only thing that kept him outta the early rounds was going to a small school.[/QUOTE]Let's hope KJ Henry is a good player. But even with Chase or Sweat most likely being gone next season, here are our other edge rushers:

Casey Toohill, James Smith-Williams, Bradley William King, Efe Obada

So with our other needs I still think our 5th round could have been better spent.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1341505]It's not that position flex is a bad thing. It's that it feels like Ron prioritizes this over other skills. Hence we end up with Stromberg who is viewed a back up by many. In the 3rd round you can expect to find starters.

Wylie is the only clear cut upgrade IMO. We can hope Gates is better than Norwell... But that's not a guarantee. We thought we were getting a very decent vet in Norwell. And we think we're getting a solid vet in Gates... Let's pray our hopes are legit this time around...

Barton is a good signing... But if one of him or Davis gets hurt were back to David Ketchup.
[B]How can we go full depth on the secondary, Oline and Dline "because injuries happen", but with LB "meh, we got 2 decentish starters, we'll be fine!" ?[/B]

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It's because of the type of defense JDR likes to run. Despite all our complaining about how they haven't addressed the LB position, we have had a top 10 defense in 2 of the last 3 years. They [I]may[/I] be even better this year.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1341507]It's because of the type of defense JDR likes to run. Despite all our complaining about how they haven't addressed the LB position, we have had a top 10 defense in 2 of the last 3 years. They [I]may[/I] be even better this year.[/quote]

That's what makes it even more frustrating IMO. They're building a very solid roster on defense and leave this gaping hole in the middle for team to exploit and run it down our throat at times. It ain't that hard to fix, that's why them not really doing it is excruciating.

Again, I think Ron has done a very solid job drafting, and not so much with the FA, but this year with a very promising start to the offseason, I was expecting the draft to answer needs better, cause despite this "lame duck year" feeling, this roster as a lot of strengths, if Sam Howell plays well we could be a very good team... But in very competitive division, having a mediocre Oline and David Mayo in the middle of your defense (one injury away), won't cut it.

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TBH I'm leaning towards French's take. Less bothered about LB though it is a weakness (trade coming up maybe?), than the lack of a road grader on the OL. We may have potentially the best DL in the division if not the league, but that doesn't mean everyone else's are bad. Most everyone else in the division is now able to keep their QB upright against our pass rush and run it down our throats. We can't say the same. EB better be able to scheme up a way for us to chew up clock when we need to because I don't see us as a power run O or consistently making big plays passing while SH is operating outside the pocket a lot.

The one thing I do think we've improved on is the ability to get turnovers, notably INTs, on D. We'll need them.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1341508]That's what makes it even more frustrating IMO. They're building a very solid roster on defense and leave this gaping hole in the middle for team to exploit and run it down our throat at times. It ain't that hard to fix, that's why them not really doing it is excruciating.

Again, I think Ron has done a very solid job drafting, and not so much with the FA, but this year with a very promising start to the offseason, I was expecting the draft to answer needs better, cause despite this "lame duck year" feeling, this roster as a lot of strengths, if Sam Howell plays well we could be a very good team... But in very competitive division, having a mediocre Oline and David Mayo in the middle of your defense (one injury away), won't cut it.[/quote]

Draftees don't have a choice but to come here. Free agents do. Can't blame Ron for not bringing in players who don't want to be here.

I don't see LB as a gaping hole. The mostly play a 4-2-5. We have two solid starters with Jamin improving, and some serviceable depth. Truth is, every team is an injury away from a mediocre 'Mayo-type' guy coming in for meaningful snaps.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1341510]Draftees don't have a choice but to come here. Free agents do. Can't blame Ron for not bringing in players who don't want to be here.

I don't see LB as a gaping hole. The mostly play a 4-2-5. We have two solid starters with Jamin improving, [B]and some serviceable depth. Truth is, every team is an injury away from a mediocre 'Mayo-type' guy coming in for meaningful snaps[/B].[/quote]

I kinda disagree with the serviceable aspect of our LB depth. But your last argument is absolutely valid. I just think it wouldn't cost us that much (cap/picks) to not be in that position.

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Anyone know why we don't seem to do much initially in the UDFA market or do they just keep quiet on signings? No word of any post draft signings...

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[QUOTE=AnonEmouse;1341515]Anyone know why we don't seem to do much initially in the UDFA market or do they just keep quiet on signings? No word of any post draft signings...[/QUOTE]They've done a number of signings already. I think I saw Nicki J. tweet about a few.

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Meh draft. Hope it works out but I’m a little down on the guys we got.

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[url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2023/4/29/23691665/nfl-draft-2023-undrafted-free-agents-udfa-tracker-signings-washington-commanders-rumors[/url]

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So looks like the consensus from the draft pundits is not a good draft for the Redskins. Some give them average grades/assessments, but more range in the below average to awful.

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I don't worry about media grades the day after the draft. What counts is when the games are played

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I have seen lots of As and Bs for the draft. Grades are going to be all over the place, including here.

They drafted Secondary and Offensive Line with the first four picks, then grabbed some depth at DE and RB. I'm not overly excited about any of the players, but I'm pretty happy with the positions they drafted. We'll see how they pan out. Still more work to do between now and September.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1341525]I don't worry about media grades the day after the draft. What counts is when the games are played[/quote]

Yup, but noticed a bunch of folks were ready to cut Fuller, Roullier, etc. during our picks. No way I’m cutting either of these guys

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1341520]Meh draft. Hope it works out but I’m a little down on the guys we got.[/QUOTE]


The 2 DBs back to back were a little odd but maybe they are both ballhawks and Can replace Fuller and Curl in 2024… OL still has a huge ?? QB too. Is Howell the guy or will Brissett take over ? Going to be interesting.


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[quote=Chico23231;1341527]Yup, but noticed a bunch of folks were ready to cut Fuller, Roullier, etc. during our picks. No way I’m cutting either of these guys[/quote]

I agree we should be keeping Fuller, need a veteran in that very young group. I think Ron and Co have pretty much moved on from Roullier, he has all but directly stated that Gates is the starting Centre and drafting Stromberg pretty much confirms it. After two such bad injuries it would not surprise me if Roullier retired.

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[quote=nonniey;1341524]So looks like the consensus from the draft pundits is not a good draft for the Redskins. Some give them average grades/assessments, but more range in the below average to awful.[/quote]

They didn't like our draft last year either.

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[url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2023/4/30/23691673/2023-nfl-draft-grades-mel-kiper-jr-gives-the-washington-commanders-their-highest-score[/url]

As you can see... all over the place for various reasons. But in the end, it's meaningless.

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[quote=Redskin Jim;1341523][url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2023/4/29/23691665/nfl-draft-2023-undrafted-free-agents-udfa-tracker-signings-washington-commanders-rumors[/url][/quote]

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Curious how team site and nfl.com have Nada.🙄

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1341528]The 2 DBs back to back were a little odd but maybe they are both ballhawks and Can replace Fuller and Curl in 2024… OL still has a huge ?? QB too. Is Howell the guy or will Brissett take over ? Going to be interesting.


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Very weird…I had heard Buffalo nickel was a priority But in the second round?

And it was another reach. Mathis was a reach last year in the second.

There were much better prospects on the board specifically the C from Minn and the Guard from Florida. Both those guys are starters in the league immediately

The evaluations of Stromberg were all over the place. I dunno about 290 lbs tackles/guard but we will find out

Like wtf, Forrest and Curl were later round picks…I’m expecting this Quan dude to ball immediately. His evaluations were late 3rd round pick.

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[quote=Chico23231;1341533]Very weird…I had heard Buffalo nickel was a priority But in the second round?

And it was another reach. Mathis was a reach last year in the second.

There were much better prospects on the board specifically the C from Minn and the Guard from Florida. Both those guys are starters in the league immediately

The evaluations of Stromberg were all over the place. I dunno about 290 lbs tackles/guard but we will find out

Like wtf, Forrest and Curl were later round picks…I’m expecting this Quan dude to ball immediately. His evaluations were late 3rd round pick.[/quote]

Seems like the WFT put a premium on players with a really high Relative Athletic Score (RAS). All their picks were in the top tier in RAS, except the late round running back, and there is reporting the scouts had supplemental info to boost his RAS score.

The emphasis on RAS seems to be a trend. Cosmi, Forrest, and Butler are all freaky athletes.

Stromberg is a freaky athlete, but not sure if he can hold the line against some of these interior monsters. Reminiscent of Corey Lichtensteiger. Great zone C, could not pass protect at all.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1341534]Seems like the WFT put a premium on players with a really high Relative Athletic Score (RAS). All their picks were in the top tier in RAS, except the late round running back, and there is reporting the scouts had supplemental info to boost his RAS score.

The emphasis on RAS seems to be a trend. Cosmi, Forrest, and Butler are all freaky athletes.

Stromberg is a freaky athlete, but not sure if he can hold the line against some of these interior monsters. Reminiscent of Corey Lichtensteiger. Great zone C, could not pass protect at all.[/quote]

Interesting

Good info, thanks