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I’ve watched many of his games including a few live ones at OU. The kid is Special. He’s also from DC!! It literally makes perfect sense to do all you can to get Caleb.

I’d offer the 3rd pick and one of our 2nd round picks to Chicago for him. If we have to include Payne or Allen do it. They haven’t done much this year anyway


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Caleb is a great player until he has to face top defenses. I went south on the guy after that ND game. He looked lost and confused.

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[quote=mredskins;1355197]Williams would have been drafted first overall in both 2020 [over Burrow] and 2021 [Lawrence]," another NFL general manager said. "That's no knock on either player -- and they're both really good in the league -- but Williams is a difference-maker. Joe and Trevor are distributors. Great ones. Caleb is a game-changer."

How big of a game-changer? Of the 12-plus evaluators we polled, every single one said Williams is the best quarterback prospect since Peyton Manning in 1998.

"The thing with Caleb is that he's a great passer -- on par with Burrow, Lawrence, etc. -- [B]but he's also a great runner -- on par with Kyler Murray, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen[/B]," said an NFC area scout with over 20 years of experience. "That's the thing people miss. He's the best prospect maybe ever at both components [combined]."[/quote]

I don't know where this myth about him being a great runner has come from...

Career
CAR YDS AVG TD LNG
289 960 3.3 27 74

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New mock has us taking Daniels. More I hear about this guy the more I like.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1355198]I’ve watched many of his games including a few live ones at OU. The kid is Special. He’s also from DC!! It literally makes perfect sense to do all you can to get Caleb.

I’d offer the 3rd pick and one of our 2nd round picks to Chicago for him. If we have to include Payne or Allen do it. They haven’t done much this year anyway


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They wouldn't take that offer. If we were at pick 2 (probable best case) it would take both our 2ds and maybe a 2d next year. From the 3 spot it would take both our 2ds and a 1st next year. (To be clear this these picks are along with our 1st this year).

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[quote=skinsfan69;1355200]Caleb is a great player until he has to face top defenses. I went south on the guy after that ND game. He looked lost and confused.[/quote]

Not to mention, there's a vibe or something about him that doesn't particularly resonate with me.

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[QUOTE=PorkSkins;1355224]Not to mention, there's a vibe or something about him that doesn't particularly resonate with me.[/QUOTE]


He’s a little weird I ain’t gonna lie lol but if you can ball who cares… I do think he’s overhyped some


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[quote=punch it in;1355208]New mock has us taking Daniels. More I hear about this guy the more I like.[/quote]

Gonna be compared to Lamar and Mariotta. Huge LSU fan, he has gotten better every play. Needs to put on a little weight and learn when to get down. Took a few unecessary hits the last 2 years

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Daniels at 3? That’s a reach IMO


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[quote=mredskins;1355196]yeah i was wondering if our .520 sos was projected or current[/quote]

It's current but takes into account all 17 opponents. So as games are played it does get adjusted. If that makes sense

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1355236]It's current but takes into account all 17 opponents. So as games are played it does get adjusted. If that makes sense[/quote]

It’s the winning percentage of all 17 teams on your schedule up to the current week it doesn’t forecast future weeks into the formula

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Not a chance in hell I'm drafting Daniels at #3 or #4.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1355249]Not a chance in hell I'm drafting Daniels at #3 or #4.[/quote]

Agree. I'd be pissed if we drafted him or any other QB at #3.

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[quote=PorkSkins;1355251]Agree. I'd be pissed if we drafted him or any other QB at #3.[/quote]

I'd be perfectly fine if they drafted a QB at 3 or 4.

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[quote=PorkSkins;1355251]Agree. I'd be pissed if we drafted him or any other QB at #3.[/quote]

Prepare to be pissed off.

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Pork is just in denial, he’s actually wanting a QB at 3 but he is scared that pick will be a bust so he wants to take the safe pick with OT… But in reality no pick is really safe, they are all gambles so take the QB hahaha


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[quote=skinsfaninok;1355263]Pork is just in denial, he’s actually wanting a QB at 3 but he is scared that pick will be a bust so he wants to take the safe pick with OT… But in reality no pick is really safe, they are all gambles so take the QB hahaha


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OT can be a bust just as much as QBs can.

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J Daniels is listed at 6'4", 210.

L Jackson is listed at 6'2", 216.

If that is correct, I don't get why some are worried about JD's size.

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I think if you look at those numbers he is a bit thin rather than anything else, so from that perspective he may have trouble holding up to the rigors of the NFL game, especially as running is a part of Daniels game.

This team will take a couple of years to fix after what Ron has done, drafting a QB right now might not be the answer.

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Given remaining games etc. I think the draft order is unlikely to change so its now very possible that Maye is there at 3, assuming Bears grab Williams and Cards take Harrison. Given their needs this makes total sense. But then there's a few wildcards. While there are other teams with a need at QB that could trade up, the Pats are most capable of swapping picks with the Cards and likely to have a new HC looking to make a splash. Do we talk to the Cards to head this off? Are we so desperate to grab Maye we blow up our own draft?

I actually doubt, barring a stupid offer, either the Bears or Cards trade. Even if they were to trade back with the Pats, there's no guarantee who they want is there as we could then take Harrison. So most likely everyone in the top 3 holds onto their positions and its Williams, Harrison and Maye. Then the Pats reach for Daniels and they're back to square one at QB.

I can live with Maye @ #3, but trading up even if an option, would be folly given the talent that would be available regardless of the top 2 picks, and our needs.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1355270]Given remaining games etc. I think the draft order is unlikely to change so its now very possible that Maye is there at 3, assuming Bears grab Williams and Cards take Harrison. Given their needs this makes total sense. But then there's a few wildcards. While there are other teams with a need at QB that could trade up, the Pats are most capable of swapping picks with the Cards and likely to have a new HC looking to make a splash. Do we talk to the Cards to head this off? Are we so desperate to grab Maye we blow up our own draft?

I actually doubt, barring a stupid offer, either the Bears or Cards trade. Even if they were to trade back with the Pats, there's no guarantee who they want is there as we could then take Harrison. So most likely everyone in the top 3 holds onto their positions and its Williams, Harrison and Maye. Then the Pats reach for Daniels and they're back to square one at QB.

I can live with Maye @ #3, but trading up even if an option, would be folly given the talent that would be available regardless of the top 2 picks, and our needs.[/quote]

It normally ends up that one or even two teams will offer stupid amounts in trade to get the QBs, no matter how much the top two like MHJ or Fashanu they will not be able to say no. We may even get some offers at #3 for Daniels and if MHJ is still there. I wouldn't mind if we took Maye, but I would rather not trade up, and only trade down 2 to 3 spots if at all to ensure we get a desperately needed blue chip player.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1355272]It normally ends up that one or even two teams will offer stupid amounts in trade to get the QBs, no matter how much the top two like MHJ or Fashanu they will not be able to say no. We may even get some offers at #3 for Daniels and if MHJ is still there. I wouldn't mind if we took Maye, but I would rather not trade up, and only trade down 2 to 3 spots if at all to ensure we get a desperately needed blue chip player.[/quote]

Agree. If the Pats trade up to get Maye with the #2 pick, I'd consider offers for #3 from whoever is at 5, 6 or even 7. Good chance we still get one of the top 2 LT's given someone will reach for Daniels in the top 5. But if Harrison falls to us it would probably be folly to not take him.

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49ers losing and Eagles winning have done us a favour in draft position. Neither will be resting players next 2 weeks, chasing that HFA. Can't see us picking other than 3rd now. Cards and Panthers unlikely to win another so...

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Caleb Williams is THE PRIZE of this draft. I think Chicago would be foolish to pass on him with the 1st pick and trade down, so I'm assuming that he will not be available to us in any draft scenario.

The next best QB who might be available to us, if he declares for the draft, is Shedeur Sanders. I would feel confident in taking him but there would be a number of other teams trying to find a way to get him.

I see Maye as a taller, longer Sam Howell. If that what you want, fine. Rather than draft Maye I'd prefer to wait on Sam as he gets better and draft the second best player in the draft, true #1 WR Marvin Harrison, Jr.

My choice as second-best QB prospect currently in this draft is Jayden Daniels. If I could, I'd snag Harrison, Jr with our first pick and then trade back up into the first round to take Daniels. That is, if Sanders doesn't enter the draft. If he does, I'd have to re-think my plan.

In preparation for the draft, I would trade Jon Allen for at least a 2nd round pick in this year's draft and sign a couple of above average OL in free agency.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1355268]J Daniels is listed at 6'4", 210.

L Jackson is listed at 6'2", 216.

If that is correct, I don't get why some are worried about JD's size.[/quote]

He's gained some weight this year Daniels that is and Lamar said himself he's closer to 224-230 this year. Daniels is just slightly built so he will.have to gain about 10 lbs or so

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1355290]He's gained some weight this year Daniels that is and Lamar said himself he's closer to 224-230 this year. Daniels is just slightly built so he will.have to gain about 10 lbs or so[/quote]

More than doable in an NFL strength and conditioning program, if that's the goal.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1355277]49ers losing and Eagles winning have done us a favour in draft position. Neither will be resting players next 2 weeks, chasing that HFA. Can't see us picking other than 3rd now. Cards and Panthers unlikely to win another so...[/quote]

Yep, Ravens did us a nice solid last night. 9ers gonna come in and roll us by 20+.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1355295]More than doable in an NFL strength and conditioning program, if that's the goal.[/quote]

Oh I agree it'd easily doable.

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We gotta face the fact that we are not in the position (again..) to draft a top 2 QBs. There are a few teams who need a new QB, and there will be a bidding war for the top 2 QBs. Is it worth the price?

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I hope we stick at 3. If we do, I'm taking whatever QB is remaining out of Williams, Maye, and Daniels. We may not pick this high again for 10 more years. Who knows. You gotta take your punch now imo.

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Another thing to remember, we have like the perfect combination of things to very quickly flip the talent on this roster. We have almost 100 million in cap space and 2 additional picks in the 1st 3 rounds. I think that makes it even easier to take a chance on a QB at No. 3. Because you can still get OL in FA and 2nd/3rd rounds that could be instant starters.

3. Jayden Daniels - QB - LSU
36. Jordan Morgan - OT - Arizona
41. Tyler Nubin - S - Minnesota
67. Zach Frazier - OC - West Virginia
96. Darius Robinson - EDGE - Missouri
100. Deontae Lawson - LB - Alabama
131. Cam Hart - CB - Notre Dame
164. Zak Zinter - OG - Michigan
195. Roger Rosengarten - OT - Washington

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[quote=GridIron26;1355298]We gotta face the fact that we are not in the position (again..) to draft a top 2 QBs. There are a few teams who need a new QB, and there will be a bidding war for the top 2 QBs. Is it worth the price?[/quote]

If you end up with your franchise QB for the next decade, yeah it's worth it.

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Our fanbase is so scorned from not having a QB, everyone thinks that we can only get a QB if it's a top 3 pick. Look in our division? Dak and Hurts were not drafted in the first round.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1355303]Our fanbase is so scorned from not having a QB, everyone thinks that we can only get a QB if it's a top 3 pick. Look in our division? Dak and Hurts were not drafted in the first round.[/quote]

And some of our fanbase wants to pass up on the higher-odds of successfully landing a QB because a couple teams have found them in later rounds.

:food-smil

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1355270]Given remaining games etc. I think the draft order is unlikely to change so its now very possible that Maye is there at 3, assuming Bears grab Williams and Cards take Harrison. Given their needs this makes total sense. But then there's a few wildcards. While there are other teams with a need at QB that could trade up, the Pats are most capable of swapping picks with the Cards and likely to have a new HC looking to make a splash. Do we talk to the Cards to head this off? Are we so desperate to grab Maye we blow up our own draft?

I actually doubt, barring a stupid offer, either the Bears or Cards trade. Even if they were to trade back with the Pats, there's no guarantee who they want is there as we could then take Harrison. So most likely everyone in the top 3 holds onto their positions and its Williams, Harrison and Maye. Then the Pats reach for Daniels and they're back to square one at QB.

I can live with Maye @ #3, but trading up even if an option, would be folly given the talent that would be available regardless of the top 2 picks, and our needs.[/quote]

As I pointed out earlier the draft order is very likely to change for the worse for us unless the Cards win one or the Pats win again. We are almost tied in SoS with the Pats and our yearly opponents are more likely to win than theirs are over the next two weeks meaning the Pats will more than likely have a weaker SoS than us in 2 weeks.

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Just realized, the Cowboys are locked in at No. 5, so they will have absolutely nothing to play for in Week 18. The only 2 teams behind them record-wise that can tie them are the Seahawks and Rams. They beat both of those teams.

Out of all the times to beat the Cowboys, that may be the worst week of all times. Hell, if I'm Dallas, I try to tank that game to hurt Washington.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1355307][B]Just realized, the Cowboys are locked in at No. 5[/B], so they will have absolutely nothing to play for in Week 18. The only 2 teams behind them record-wise that can tie them are the Seahawks and Rams. They beat both of those teams.

Out of all the times to beat the Cowboys, that may be the worst week of all times. Hell, if I'm Dallas, I try to tank that game to hurt Washington.[/quote]

That isnt true, if they win out and the Eagles slip up Cowboys are the #2 seed

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1355263]Pork is just in denial, he’s actually wanting a QB at 3 but he is scared that pick will be a bust so he wants to take the safe pick with OT… But in reality no pick is really safe, they are all gambles so take the QB hahaha


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You act as if I'm the only person not sold on taking a QB at #3. Even if I was the only person, I'd still be fine with my belief in not taking any of these QBs at the #3 spot.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1355309]That isnt true, if they win out and the Eagles slip up Cowboys are the #2 seed[/quote]

The Eagles/Cowboys split the season series. Do we know who has the tiebreaker if they both finish at 12-5?

Eagles have the Cardinals at home this week and finish at NYG the following week, so I highly doubt they lose. But I guess if both teams win this week (or Cowboys win and Eagles lose), and Cowboys could win the tiebreaker if they end up w/ the same record, they would have something to play for against us in Week 18.

Which is gross, that means we all need to be pulling for Dallas to win their next 2 games. They play at home against Detroit this week. NFL smartly scheduled them for Saturday, before the Eagles play on Sunday. Go Cowboys (:puke:) and go Cardinals.

Note - Thanks for the hope. I forgot they were only 1 game behind the Eagles. I was only looking at teams they were ahead of.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1355313]The Eagles/Cowboys split the season series. Do we know who has the tiebreaker if they both finish at 12-5?

Eagles have the Cardinals at home this week and finish at NYG the following week, so I highly doubt they lose. But I guess if both teams win this week (or Cowboys win and Eagles lose), and Cowboys could win the tiebreaker if they end up w/ the same record, they would have something to play for against us in Week 18.

Which is gross, that means we all need to be pulling for Dallas to win their next 2 games. They play at home against Detroit this week. NFL smartly scheduled them for Saturday, before the Eagles play on Sunday.[/quote]

The last two weeks with the same record the Cowboys had the East.