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[quote=Illiniflight33;1361788]Newton will be a starter for you guys.[/quote]

In front of Payne and Allen?


It is interesting that Peters went bpa for that pick but Sainristil had a consensus value of 60 but was taken with the 50th pick and Sinnot taken at 53 but a consensus ranking in the 80s. Clearly he was drafting for something other than bpa. I can see the difference between 50 and 60 being negligible however.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1361789]In front of Payne and Allen?


It is interesting that Peters went bpa for that pick but Sainristil had a consensus value of 60 but was taken with the 50th pick and Sinnot taken at 53 but a consensus ranking in the 80s. Clearly he was drafting for something other than bpa. I can see the difference between 50 and 60 being negligible however.[/quote]

I think that just shows you how different actual NFL teams' evaluations are compared to all the rankings published prior to the drafts. A big factor is obviously fit for the team too, which none of those rankings take into account.

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[quote=Illiniflight33;1361787]Illinois fan here. Have watched Newton his whole career.

Johnny Newton is possibly my favorite player of all time.

Great kid on and off the field. A super hard worker.

He was literally the highest rated DT by PFF over the last few years. The kid was disruptive on both offense and defense, and there were times he was being triple teamed. only player I've ever seen get triple teamed.

He is a great pass rusher, incredibly fast and athletic (was a RB in high school), and doesnt take plays off.

Easily the best player on the field in every game he played this season. A real stud.

If he stays healthy, and I think he will, Newton is going to be the steal of this draft.[/quote]Wow. This is a fantastic endorsement. Have to admit, I was surprised by the pick but now I see why. Commanders loaded at dt!

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1361789]In front of Payne and Allen?


It is interesting that Peters went bpa for that pick but Sainristil had a consensus value of 60 but was taken with the 50th pick and Sinnot taken at 53 but a consensus ranking in the 80s. Clearly he was drafting for something other than bpa. I can see the difference between 50 and 60 being negligible however.[/quote]

Look, he is a rookie, and coaches are always slow to play rookies. Especially over veterans.

And its not uncommon for defensive coaches to alternate guys around on the DL. But I really think Newton will be an all-pro caliber DT before his career is over.

He fell to the second round because he played the second half of the season with a broken foot and missed the combine. Also he is slightly shorter and slightly smaller reach than the ideal.

Honestly, I'm not worried about those things, I think his elite explosiveness, speed and drive will more than make up for those things.

He was literally the best DT in the draft, how he made it to the second round is mystifying to me. You guys got a great pick.

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As all the picks were offensive players I just knew that some first round defensive players would slip. Happy to see we got one of them. Thanks for the write up Illini, this is the guy I'm most excited about after Daniels.

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[quote=calia;1361786]This is pretty wild - tells you what Peters values.

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A solid interview this morning via The Junkies and Mike Lombardi referring to many coaches do not know how to coach QBs. Lombardi had a quote from the late, great Bill Walsh regarding coaches not being understanding the nuances of coaching QBs. The quote allowed Lombardi to segue into Washington gave up too soon on Howell, and how the offense was setup for Howell to fail.

We were either last or close to last with anything regarded to running the football, but was 7th in the league ypc. Lombardi didn't particularly take issue with drafting Daniels, but moreso he had an issue with us giving up so quickly on Howell, and felt we should've kept Howell instead of jettisoning him and picking up Mariota. Lombardi isn't a fan of Mariota (neither am I), and feels Howell is the better QB of the two (I, too,
thought we should've kept Howell).

Hopefully, we're in a position where we barely need Mariota on the field or none at all.

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I get the concern about tackle, but for me the most important and impactful thing of this draft is going to be JD and whether or not he becomes an elite level franchise QB that can lead this team for the next decade. We've had elite left tackles here through the years and haven't won shit with them.

QB above all else. If Daniels becomes that dude, that's all we'll remember about this draft.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1361797]I get the concern about tackle, but for me the most important and impactful thing of this draft is going to be JD and whether or not he becomes an elite level franchise QB that can lead this team for the next decade. We've had elite left tackles here through the years and haven't won shit with them.

QB above all else. If Daniels becomes that dude, that's all we'll remember about this draft.[/QUOTE]


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[QUOTE=MTK;1361797]I get the concern about tackle, but for me the most important and impactful thing of this draft is going to be JD and whether or not he becomes an elite level franchise QB that can lead this team for the next decade. We've had elite left tackles here through the years and haven't won shit with them.

QB above all else. If Daniels becomes that dude, that's all we'll remember about this draft.[/QUOTE]


I think a QB needs that LT. Doesn’t have to be elite, but certainly can’t be Wylie and a rookie projected as a G. If they go into the year with that combo at OT I have no problem letting JD sit as opposed to getting killed.

The elite LT’s we have had can’t do it by themselves (they had shit at QB), the QB can’t do it by themselves either. They need protection.

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Scheme and getting the ball out quick are things that can help JD right away. Getting away from EB's boneheaded offense alone will help a ton with protection.

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[quote=MTK;1361800]Scheme and getting the ball out quick are things that can help JD right away. Getting away from [B]EB's boneheaded offense alone will help a ton with protection[/B].[/quote]

that is what i was thinking as well, were these guys that bad or was some of it EB gameplaying, if the defense knows you are going throw every fucking time they pin their ears back

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I think you guys are focusing on the wrong thing with Newton. If Payne and Allen play 80% of the snaps again like they did last year it minimizes their effectiveness. The best d-lines rotate guys in and out on the regular to keep them fresh. So he's in the rotation this first year. Then in 2025 both Allen/Payne are creeping closer to 30 and become bigger injury risks with large cap hits. So if one of them goes down we keep rolling because we have a young stud on a rookie contract.

And I hate to say it but we need to follow the Bill B school of roster management - when a longtime vet starts getting injured or his play drops in his 30's, they gotta go. Even if they're a stud team leader like Jonathan Allen.

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[quote=mooby;1361802]I think you guys are focusing on the wrong thing with Newton. If Payne and Allen play 80% of the snaps again like they did last year it minimizes their effectiveness. The best d-lines rotate guys in and out on the regular to keep them fresh. So he's in the rotation this first year. Then in 2025 both Allen/Payne are creeping closer to 30 and become bigger injury risks with large cap hits. So if one of them goes down we keep rolling because we have a young stud on a rookie contract.

And I hate to say it but we need to follow the Bill B school of roster management - when a longtime vet starts getting injured or his play drops in his 30's, they gotta go. Even if they're a stud team leader like Jonathan Allen.[/quote]

Yeah they've both been playing a ton of snaps last few years, eventually that is going to catch up to them.

In the end Newton was just too good to pass up regardless of need.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1361800]Scheme and getting the ball out quick are things that can help JD right away. Getting away from EB's boneheaded offense alone will help a ton with protection.[/QUOTE]


I do not disagree at all. Add a better TE, and better wheels on the qb to the list of things that can help. It’s just that right now our Tackles are super sketchy. But no matter what the scheme or personnel on offense outside the line, protection is still going to be an issue. Guess we will have to wait and see how the line shakes out.

I get what Peters is doing. He is building the right way I just want JD to be healthy physically and mentally when it all comes together. If the protection is sub par I have no issue with waiting another year to plug him in. Wouldn’t even worry about him thinking he got benched or lost the qb competition, you simply tell the kid “hey you are way too important to the future of this franchise and we need a couple more pieces up front before we are comfortable putting you out there. I would rather be miserable for one more year than to ruin JD in year one.

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I think there's zero chance JD sits the bench this year, barring an off season injury.

I also don't think the O-line will be as much an issue as some think.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1361805]I think there's zero chance JD sits the bench this year, barring an off season injury.

I also don't think the O-line will be as much an issue as some think.[/quote]

Agreed, no chance he sits

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I don’t think he is going to sit either. But it scares me because of our tackles that’s all. Center and G’s Im better with than last year certainly. Our T’s scare the hell out of me.

If the line implodes early and JD is getting knocked around I cant imagine a scenario like last year where we let it happen

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I put most of the blame last year on EB's pathetic schemes and his unwillingness to run the ball, and SH for being inexperienced and just an overall slow and indecisive processor in the pocket.

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@JP Finlay
Good insight from @TampaBayTre on Commanders 3rd round pick Brandon Coleman: "One of the best developmental tackle prospects in this draft...Coleman has the talent to be a starting LT in this league but it might take a little while."

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No question his athleticism is off the charts...

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For the first time since RG3 I'm actually EXCITED about a QB and the future of this team.. Its very Refreshing

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[quote=punch it in;1361807]I don’t think he is going to sit either. But it scares me because of our tackles that’s all. Center and G’s Im better with than last year certainly. Our T’s scare the hell out of me.

If the line implodes early and JD is getting knocked around I cant imagine a scenario like last year where we let it happen[/quote]

I get the concern for sure.

However, last year we were last in the league in percentage of rushing plays, which was pathetic considering we were 7th in the league in yards per rush attempt. EB was a moron...

Our Tackles were left on an island consistently last year, given no help - expected to pass block almost 70% of every game for a QB who couldn't get rid of the ball.

A more balanced attack, a TE who can block and catch, along with the legit threat of a QB who can take it to the house will almost certainly help the O-line, especially the tackles.

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I wish Coleman played some RT in college. I'm fine w/ Lucas as a 1-year stop gap at LT, but I do NOT want to watch Rylie at RT again. That's the 1 position I'm hoping we still do something about before Game 1.

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2025 mock draft:

1. OT or Outside CB
2. Outside CB or OT

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1361814]I wish Coleman played some RT in college. I'm fine w/ Lucas as a 1-year stop gap at LT, but I do NOT want to watch Rylie at RT again. That's the 1 position I'm hoping we still do something about before Game 1.[/quote]

I was hearing on one of the radio shows that they believe we are switching from a power blocking scheme to a zone blocking scheme and that the zone blocking scheme fits Wylie a TON better. If so, give him a chance to see what he can do in the scheme. He certainly didn't look that bad playing for KC and Mahommes.

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QB: Daniels
RB: Robinson (Ekeler on 3rd downs)
WR: McLaurin
Slot: McCaffery
LT: Lucas
LG: Allegretti
C: Biadasz
RG: Cosmi
RT: Wylie (unless Coleman can swing to RT, but that's a bit of an ask in 1 offseason)
TE: Ertz (I think Sinnot starts by mid-season)
WR: Dotson

The OL still leaves a lot to be desired.

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[quote=SkinsGuru;1361816]I was hearing on one of the radio shows that they believe we are switching from a power blocking scheme to a zone blocking scheme and that the zone blocking scheme fits Wylie a TON better. If so, give him a chance to see what he can do in the scheme. He certainly didn't look that bad playing for KC and Mahommes.[/quote]

As the roster stands now, giving him a chance is not optional. He's definitely the starter right now and just hope he can play better than 2023, by any means necessary.

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There is still plenty of time to pick up an interim LT by trade, salary dump, starters displaced by star rookies, etc. I think something will be done to improve the T situation this year.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1361808]I put most of the blame last year on EB's pathetic schemes and his unwillingness to run the ball, and SH for being inexperienced and just an overall slow and indecisive processor in the pocket.[/QUOTE]


I pray to God your and Chiefs intuition is correct. Lol.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1361815]2025 mock draft:

1. OT or Outside CB
2. Outside CB or OT[/QUOTE]


Ive done quite a few already. I scroll until i find an OT and repeat for my second pick. Than i go bpa. There is nothing more useless than a mock draft the day after the draft but I cant help myself. Ha.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1361822]There is still plenty of time to pick up an interim LT by trade, salary dump, starters displaced by star rookies, etc. I think something will be done to improve the T situation this year.[/quote]

Agreed. I don’t think LT is as problematic as some are making it out to be. Coleman has the athletic potential to start at LT; and if needed we can get a vet LT this year.

Still think we need to pick up another CB. BSJ, and Forbes aren’t quality starters.

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[quote=vallin21;1361827]Agreed. I don’t think LT is as problematic as some are making it out to be. Coleman has the athletic potential to start at LT; and if needed we can get a vet LT this year.

Still think we need to pick up another CB. BSJ, and Forbes aren’t quality starters.[/quote]

I really like the Coleman pick, and I think he can start at one of the OT positions by 2025. I don't know if him being a 2024 starter is optimal.

But I'd rather have him than not. I love athletic tackles. Trent has ruined any other kind for me.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1361818]As the roster stands now, giving him a chance is not optional. He's definitely the starter right now and just hope he can play better than 2023, by any means necessary.[/quote]

they already made their decision . . . yes . . . all i am saying is many people here think he was horrible last year, and he was, but if playing in a scheme he doesn't fit and moving back to one he does, well that could make him the player that was turning heads in their Superbowl against a fantastic d-line that could do nothing against him.

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The more I hear about Ben Sinnott the more I understand the pick and the value of this type of player.

But will Kingsbury use him in the ways to make him an asset? Not so sure.

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[quote=Chico23231;1361838]The more I hear about Ben Sinnott the more I understand the pick and the value of this type of player.

But will Kingsbury use him in the ways to make him an asset? Not so sure.[/quote]

Sinnot is going to be fun. I was pumped about that pick. TE was absolutely a need. Ertz is getting older and is rightfully on a 1 year deal. I doubt he's here in 2025. Next year, we will probably be drafting another TE in the later rounds to back-up Sinnot. Also, Bates wasn't drafted by this staff and frankly he hasn't really done anything very exciting to need to keep around.

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I can live without a corner or basically any other position needing to be fixed for the next year. Im less worried about winning games in 2024 than I am about our new quarterback coming along and just seeing good football while realizing we have something to continue to build on. BSJ stinks, but he isn’t going to get our quarterback hurt.

Basically at this point praying that Peters, Quinn, Kingsbury, etc do better than the shitshow we saw last year with Sam, and I am extremely confident that they have the ability to do so. I am extremely confident that the playcalling and scheming and JD’s natural ability will help. But at some point you 100 percent need decent Tackles and there isnt a single one on the roster I have confidence in. Colemam maybe but probably not in 2024. Daniels, meh. Lucas, meh. Wylie, huge pile of meh.

Kingsbury has his work cut out for him with that group.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1361817]QB: Daniels
RB: Robinson (Ekeler on 3rd downs)
WR: McLaurin
Slot: McCaffery
LT: Lucas
LG: Allegretti
C: Biadasz
RG: Cosmi
RT: Wylie (unless Coleman can swing to RT, but that's a bit of an ask in 1 offseason)
TE: Ertz (I think Sinnot starts by mid-season)
WR: Dotson

The OL still leaves a lot to be desired.[/quote]

QB Daniels
RB Robinson/Eckler (I think it's more 50/50 than we think it's gonna be)
WR McLaurin
Slot: McCaffrey 70% of the time/Dotson 30% of the time
LT: Smith (Donovan FA)
LG: Allegretti
C: Biadasz
RG: Cosmi
RT: Wylie (Coleman challenges him)
TE: Sinnot (I think he starts from day 1 with Ertz spelling him, I think Ertz was mainly brought in to mentor whichever TE we drafted and to get him up to speed on the playbook
WR: Dotson 70% of the time/McCaffrey 30% of the time

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I would argue outside CB is as big of a need as OT. You can scheme to protect poor OTs, bad corners are attacked and life in the NFL is really hard with crappy corners.

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ertz was signed in case we whiffed on TE in the draft, I think they both play and how much depends on performance.

OT is still a concern, I hope there's some move there still.

Whiffed on outside CB, but you can't get everything in one year, and it's fine (people had gone through seasons with bad outside CBs before, and I'm not expected a this team to go to the SB or anything).

Could we have done better in the draft? In two years with hindsight, sure, and we did pass up a couple good corners, but rankings don't consider team fit and we don't have the info from the team on why they chose player A over B. We can judge based on wins and performance in a few years though. Until we can see everyone play for a while, it's hard to tell (and there's always freak injuries or bad fit/coaching etc that can happen too).