Re: Obama Care
 

[quote=12thMan;807866]The well for healthcare reform has been poisoned. [B]Republicans have demagogued a position they once firmly espoused - the individual mandate[/B]. Without it, I don't see how we bring down costs, while make healthcare affordable and accessible for everyone. I hear a lot of Republicans talking about repeal and replace, but it's going to be extremely difficult to insure the majority of Americans without including, at the very least, some elements of Affordable Care Act.

Firstdown, Mass residents really like the plan instituted under Romney. It would be nice to see the media cover that story at some point.[/quote]

Your joking right. The Dems had control of all branches of government and could have signed any bill they wanted.

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[quote=saden1;807855]So you're saying the bill should have included a clause that excluded middle class from Medicaid thus making the bill longer and harder to read? If only Cain was president...this whole healthcare bill could have been concisely written on 3 pages.

Don't worry, the fixable will be fixed with more words through the amendment process.[/quote]


[url=http://www.mrctv.org/videos/jon-stewart-mocks-herman-cain-he-doesnt-read]Jon Stewart Mocks Herman Cain: He Doesn't 'Like to Read' | MRC TV[/url]

Re: Obama Care
 

[quote=saden1;807855]So you're saying the bill should have included a clause that excluded middle class from Medicaid thus making the bill longer and harder to read? If only Cain was president...this whole healthcare bill could have been concisely written on 3 pages.

Don't worry, the fixable will be fixed with more words through the amendment process.[/quote]

No they added wording that would make them covered.

Re: Obama Care
 

[quote=firstdown;807875]Your joking right. The Dems had control of all branches of government and could have signed any bill they wanted.[/quote]

It seems yoi're missing the point.

Re: Obama Care
 

[quote=12thMan;807889]It seems yoi're missing the point.[/quote]
What did I miss.

Re: Obama Care
 

I'm simply saying the irony of the entire healthcare debate, and this thread, is that Republicans at one time wanted a plan very similar to "Obamacare". Today they act as though it was spawned from the depths of hades.

Re: Obama Care
 

[quote=12thMan;807904]I'm simply saying the irony of the entire healthcare debate, and this thread, is that Republicans at one time wanted a plan very similar to "Obamacare". Today they act as though it was spawn from the depths of hades.[/quote]

I guess I did miss that one. When did they do that or want that?

Re: Obama Care
 

[quote=firstdown;807905]I guess I did miss that one. When did they do that or want that?[/quote]

Some during the Clinton era, some more recently. Since Obama was elected they've all, to a man, walked away from it like it was leprosy. The Heritage Foundation, a very prominent Republican think tank, was for it sometime ago, now they've deemed it unconstitutional.

Here's an article talking about it, there are plenty more out there that might have a more conservative point of view. In their defense, Heritage says their plan wasn't exactly like Obama's and that it didn't require a government takeover. (neither does Obama's plan) To that I say bullpucky because how they were for the individual mandate, yet against the government implementing I'm not quite sure about. Maybe Sliggin can explain that one to me.

[URL="http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/john-farrell/2010/04/19/conservatives-run-from-the-individual-mandate-they-once-embraced"]Conservatives Run From the Individual Mandate They Once Embraced - John A. Farrell (usnews.com)[/URL]

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Ok, now I get what your talking about. I don't know enough about what they had proposed back then and this article does not go into any details. That might be by design or a lazy author.

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[url=http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/06/bush-appointed-former-scalia-clerk-upholds-constitutionality-of-health-care-law.php?ref=fpa]Bush-Appointed Former Scalia Clerk Upholds Constitutionality Of Health Care Law On Appeal | TPMDC[/url]

Re: Obama Care
 

look at you 12th, dropping some knowledge on them:)

Re: Obama Care
 

It actually wouldn't surprise me that there are some conservatives/republicans who would support some aspects of the new health care law. My suspicion has always been that if the GOP ever took back control, they might not be able to resist ownership of Obamacare. They would shape it, mold it, -- in some way make it their own.

Let's face it, both the democrats and republicans are statists. Republicans less so, but only by degree. They want power over us just like the Dems do. We know this because when the GOP controlled the White House and both branches of the legislature, they gave us a new, incredibly expensive medical entitlement of their very own.

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[quote=dmek25;808969]look at you 12th, dropping some knowledge on them:)[/quote]

If your talking about his post from that article it was nothing but someones opinion without any evidence backing him up.

Re: Obama Care
 

[quote=Beemnseven;808970]It actually wouldn't surprise me that there are some conservatives/republicans who would support some aspects of the new health care law. My suspicion has always been that if the GOP ever took back control, they might not be able to resist ownership of Obamacare. They would shape it, mold it, -- in some way make it their own.

Let's face it, both the democrats and republicans are statists. Republicans less so, but only by degree. They want power over us just like the Dems do. We know this because when the GOP controlled the White House and both branches of the legislature, they gave us a new, incredibly expensive medical entitlement of their very own.[/quote]

I'm sure one could read the 234,098,098,093 pages of the law we could find something that we would agree on.

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[quote=firstdown;809030]If your talking about his post from that article it was nothing but someones opinion without any evidence backing him up.[/quote]
you are definitely partnered with the party of no