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Will Arrington take a pay cut and stay with this team, or fly to another team to get more cash?

As a fan would ya like to see him back next season?

Is it almost certain that he's actually gone in the next few months?





As you can tell I'd like to keep him around another year, but unless he takes a pay cut gonna be virtually impossible.
and then I'll miss #56.

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He's 99% gone!

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He said he wouldn't take a pay cut. he said he wouldn't even restructure.

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Well let's get rid of him then. Don't say ya wanna stay on the team, when you've been overpaid, WAY OVERPAID since you've been here. Really thought he'd be here for life, but then again I really thought he'd accomplished more in 5 years. Sounds like Smoot talk. I wanna stay on the Redskins forever, blah, blah, but I'll take a few more million and a purple sex boat, sure. Do we promote from within or take another chance on Michael Barrow?






ahhahahhahahhahahhaahhahahaha.

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Trade him for Randy Moss. Could it happen?? I'd even take joey porter. **** i don't even know that would happen. If we were gonna bench him this year we should have traded him earlier.

we need to find a team that needs a great Defenender and has a great offense. Who??? Who??? Raiders come to mind. KC even seattle, those Ds took huge strides this year same with the colts. ST. louis??? THe cards have a moderatly good defense but arrington could help. THey have amazing WRs and i would give them everything for one of them. Green bay?

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It be a huge cap eat if we dumped him guys. I know we did it once but hopefully we learned to keep relationships better so we wouldn't have to again. If the main reason they want to rid themselves is his playing abilities then he probably stays because he is better than taking a huge cap hit AND signing someone else in his spot. If he is disgruntled ala Coles then they'll get rid of him I would think.

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if he is gone possible dream trade scenario for me would be this: how about an almost even cap swap of Tony Gonzalez for Lavar? that would provide them with a defensive playmaker they need and would provide us with a proven viable compliment too Moss and Cooley. I know it ain't gonna happen but I think a whole lot of people said the same thing about the possibility of a Bailey for Portis deal a couple years ago.

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it,s all up to lavar and i don,t see the light at the end of the tunnel.he just might take the money and run like the rest of them.lavar is way overpaid and the skins know it too.

i,m hoping he stays .

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[QUOTE=skinsfanthru&thru]if he is gone possible dream trade scenario for me would be this: how about an almost even cap swap of Tony Gonzalez for Lavar? that would provide them with a defensive playmaker they need and would provide us with a proven viable compliment too Moss and Cooley. I know it ain't gonna happen but I think a whole lot of people said the same thing about the possibility of a Bailey for Portis deal a couple years ago.[/QUOTE]

Lavar still has trade value in my eyes. His and Randy Moss's contracts are very very similiar. I mean it could be a straight swap. Randy didn't work for them. We may package Lavar and ramsey to our favorite trading team the Jets but i would want offense from them. I don't wanna trade anyone for anyone on Defense. I would love a dominant TE but i think that it wouldn't happen. We need to pick up a DE through FA or the draft. I still think lavar would be great at DE but it seems everyone thinks that bridge is burned

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Funny, I was thinking of Lavar in a Raiders uniform this morning. Not sure R. Moss would be happy being the #2 reveiver though... ;)

Hell, imagine if we got him and picked up Santana's brother? There's a gent's clothing company in the UK called Moss Bros. Has a kind of ring to it, dont you think? :)

It would confuse the hell out of the announcers and stats men anyway!

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Senorice Moss? What is his name? Is he in the draft? Any vid of him?

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I don't like Lavar Arrington, and I want him off the team.

I know a bunch of people will probably chastize me for that statement, but consider, what has he done for the Redskins since Gregg Williams has been here? Squat. Considering the reputation of Gregg Williams, it's highly doubtful that Williams is just wrong on Arrington. He thinks Arrington is a liability, he can't be relied upon to stay home when a play isn't coming his way. He's overly aggressive, tries to jump routes, and takes poor angles (probably because he has lost a step, but thinks he can still run at the speed he always used to). He's not an asset in pass coverage, can't stay with the better tight ends in the league, which means Taylor has to do it. For all the money we're paying Lavar, doesn't it say the world of him that Williams takes him out on 3rd downs?

Given Lavar's history, and given Gregg Williams' reputation for being such a good defensive mind, I'm going to side with Williams 100 times out of 100. I'd like to see Lavar gone, there are players we can get to perform better than him in the Gregg Williams system that would cost tons less.

Now, how feasible it is to get him off the team is an entirely different story. Trading or cutting him before June 1 would result in a $12 million cap hit in 2006. If he were on the team in 2006, he's count $12 million all the same. But we'd have to pay someone to replace him, so it would be a net hit to our cap. If we get rid of him after June 1 though, the cap hit will be more palatable. Should be interesting to see what happens.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]I don't like Lavar Arrington, and I want him off the team.

I know a bunch of people will probably chastize me for that statement, but consider, what has he done for the Redskins since Gregg Williams has been here? Squat. Considering the reputation of Gregg Williams, it's highly doubtful that Williams is just wrong on Arrington. He thinks Arrington is a liability, he can't be relied upon to stay home when a play isn't coming his way. He's overly aggressive, tries to jump routes, and takes poor angles (probably because he has lost a step, but thinks he can still run at the speed he always used to). He's not an asset in pass coverage, can't stay with the better tight ends in the league, which means Taylor has to do it. For all the money we're paying Lavar, doesn't it say the world of him that Williams takes him out on 3rd downs?

Given Lavar's history, and given Gregg Williams' reputation for being such a good defensive mind, I'm going to side with Williams 100 times out of 100. I'd like to see Lavar gone, there are players we can get to perform better than him in the Gregg Williams system that would cost tons less.

Now, how feasible it is to get him off the team is an entirely different story. Trading or cutting him before June 1 would result in a $12 million cap hit in 2006. If he were on the team in 2006, he's count $12 million all the same. But we'd have to pay someone to replace him, so it would be a net hit to our cap. If we get rid of him after June 1 though, the cap hit will be more palatable. Should be interesting to see what happens.[/QUOTE]
Sounds about right. I love Lavar but I think maybe he moves on if monetarily possible.

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I Think Lavar Sits Down With Coach Gibbs In The Off Season And Takes A Pay Cut To Remain A Redskin.sounds Simple Enough

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sorry about the capital lettering

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With so many coaching changes and front office changes in the NFL there should be some young coaches or just new coaches looking to clean house and build there teams in free agency. I would think there would be quite a bit of interest in Lavar and Ramsey if that is what our team decides they want to give up. I wish Lavar would take a pay cut and stay, but I agree with some others that is not going to happen especially with the Poston's as his agents who put the blame on the skins for their errors. They will either not agree to negotiate at all or make it nearly impossible even if talks open. Maybe Lavar pulls a Javon Walker and says adios to the Poston's like Walker did Rosenhaus.

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I think Lavar's agent shops him around and finds that no one is willing to pay for him at this point in his career. A friend of mine said Pittsburgh would love to have him if the price is right since he is from Pittsburgh.

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lavar wont take a massive pay cut to stay, so he's gone either this year or possibly next... he says he wants to be here, but obviously not enough to give back money.

In two years he's made a ton of money and done squat. he's still not healed and doesn't have his speed back yet (assuming he can even get back to full speed). Gibbs passed on R moss within 6 hours of the vikings seeking trades, so there's no way we even try that. I'd trade him straight up for another LB (MLB or OLB since marshall plays both) or WR or draft picks at this point.

If he can heal fully i'd love to keep him cause he can still play, but even at 90% health he's overpaid, so if he can't recover he NEEDS to go. The vast amount of money in his contract probably sends him packing either way though.

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Please Lavar take a pay cut!!!

I want your underachieving ass to STAY!!!

Please stay!!!

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]I don't like Lavar Arrington, and I want him off the team.

I know a bunch of people will probably chastize me for that statement, but consider, what has he done for the Redskins since Gregg Williams has been here? Squat. Considering the reputation of Gregg Williams, it's highly doubtful that Williams is just wrong on Arrington. He thinks Arrington is a liability, he can't be relied upon to stay home when a play isn't coming his way. He's overly aggressive, tries to jump routes, and takes poor angles (probably because he has lost a step, but thinks he can still run at the speed he always used to). He's not an asset in pass coverage, can't stay with the better tight ends in the league, which means Taylor has to do it. For all the money we're paying Lavar, doesn't it say the world of him that Williams takes him out on 3rd downs?

Given Lavar's history, and given Gregg Williams' reputation for being such a good defensive mind, I'm going to side with Williams 100 times out of 100. I'd like to see Lavar gone, there are players we can get to perform better than him in the Gregg Williams system that would cost tons less.

Now, how feasible it is to get him off the team is an entirely different story. Trading or cutting him before June 1 would result in a $12 million cap hit in 2006. If he were on the team in 2006, he's count $12 million all the same. But we'd have to pay someone to replace him, so it would be a net hit to our cap. If we get rid of him after June 1 though, the cap hit will be more palatable. Should be interesting to see what happens.[/QUOTE]

I agree with everything you said except the first line,I like lavar,but he's just not performing like he should for the money,yes,he had a good game last week,but sat was obviously the biggest game of his carrer and he has 2 tackles? 2 tackles in the biggest game of your career is not a good statement

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As much as I love Lavar, I think we have so much depth at LB that we'd be okay if he left.

What would be awesome would be to trade him and Ramsey for a top-notch DE. I can't think of any teams with a great DE who are desperate for a QB and LB off the top of my head. Ideas, anyone?

I think Ramsey upped his stock quite a bit, especially given how many teams are desperate for a even halfway decent QB. And Lavar certainly helped his trade value a bit these past couple of games.

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[QUOTE=htownskinfan]I agree with everything you said except the first line,I like lavar,but he's just not performing like he should for the money,yes,he had a good game last week,but sat was obviously the biggest game of his carrer and he has 2 tackles? 2 tackles in the biggest game of your career is not a good statement[/QUOTE]

If you're basing every players worth off the big game in Seattle, half the team should be cut. That's a pretty lousy rationale.

Base his worth of the entire season, or better yet his last 2-3 seasons and try to find a pattern.

Unfortunately the pattern seems to be inconsistent and downhill overall.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]I don't like Lavar Arrington, and I want him off the team.

I know a bunch of people will probably chastize me for that statement, but consider, what has he done for the Redskins since Gregg Williams has been here? Squat. Considering the reputation of Gregg Williams, it's highly doubtful that Williams is just wrong on Arrington. He thinks Arrington is a liability, he can't be relied upon to stay home when a play isn't coming his way. He's overly aggressive, tries to jump routes, and takes poor angles (probably because he has lost a step, but thinks he can still run at the speed he always used to). He's not an asset in pass coverage, can't stay with the better tight ends in the league, which means Taylor has to do it. For all the money we're paying Lavar, doesn't it say the world of him that Williams takes him out on 3rd downs?

Given Lavar's history, and given Gregg Williams' reputation for being such a good defensive mind, I'm going to side with Williams 100 times out of 100. I'd like to see Lavar gone, there are players we can get to perform better than him in the Gregg Williams system that would cost tons less.

Now, how feasible it is to get him off the team is an entirely different story. Trading or cutting him before June 1 would result in a $12 million cap hit in 2006. If he were on the team in 2006, he's count $12 million all the same. But we'd have to pay someone to replace him, so it would be a net hit to our cap. If we get rid of him after June 1 though, the cap hit will be more palatable. Should be interesting to see what happens.[/QUOTE]

That's an excellent analysis. I think what you said boils down to whether GW and Co. think Lavar is simply underachieving or if he's an actual liability to the team. In order to justify LOSING alot of money on him he would have to be a major bur in someone's ass and a real liability. If it's the same to keep him or cut him prior to June 1st I think they'll probably just keep him around, even if he's just a backup LB (that's some sweet backup pay though).

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I think LA will stay. The cap hit will be too high if we let him go this year. Would have to be a blockbuster trade, maybe Ramsey and LA to the Raiders for Moss and draft pick. Or maybe package the two and send them to the Cards for Boldin and draft pick.

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I think Lavar re-structures and hangs around. This org is going to really work on keeping together what they have and add a few components (WR, DE, SS). We are VERY close to the promise land, VERY CLOSE!

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[QUOTE=htownskinfan]I agree with everything you said except the first line,I like lavar,but he's just not performing like he should for the money,yes,he had a good game last week,but sat was obviously the biggest game of his carrer and he has 2 tackles? 2 tackles in the biggest game of your career is not a good statement[/QUOTE]

He is a fan favorite, and you have to love the things that he says. He always comes out and says that he bleeds Redskins, burgundy and gold all the way, and all that stuff. I do love that about him. He's mentioned before that he'd rather retire than go to another team (though I think he was embellishing there).

Thing is, the things Lavar says and the things Lavar does often run contrary to one another. He'll say he's all Redskins, but then he'll gripe about the coaches instead of buckling down and studying harder and playing with discipline. In the middle of the season this year, he got all pissed that he wasn't getting playing time. Then he came out and did an interview with Michael Irvin, and he was humble in front of national TV, saying that hey, he needs to get better to play in this system, and that if GW said he wasn't good enough, that meant he needed to get better. But he never did anything to get any better. He seems to say one thing and do another, and because of that, he's not viewed as the emotional leader of the Redskins.

He's got a lot of talent, I just don't think you can count on the guy. He's not dependable. He'll say one thing, and do another. He'll overpursue and won't be where you need him to be. I think that's the quality he lacks most: dependability. And a superstar on D, making a ton of money, needs to be dependable at the very least.

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But you guys are right about the money thing, even though I don't think very much of him as a player, it might not make sense to get rid of him.

We'll probably only get rid of him if we're desperate for cap room in order to sign our draft choices in July.

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Can't believe ya'll would even consider R. moss. he has no character.

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[QUOTE=skinsttw]I think LA will stay. The cap hit will be too high if we let him go this year. Would have to be a blockbuster trade, maybe Ramsey and LA to the Raiders for Moss and draft pick. Or maybe package the two and send them to the Cards for Boldin and draft pick.[/QUOTE]

Maybe this would work in Madden. Trades like this don't happen in the NFL unless all players involved have contract beefs. The Raiders won't trade Randy Moss because it would bury their salary cap, and there's no way any team parts with a good guy and great young WR like Anquan Boldin.

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[QUOTE=Luxorreb]Will Arrington take a pay cut and stay with this team, or fly to another team to get more cash?

As a fan would ya like to see him back next season?

Is it almost certain that he's actually gone in the next few months?





As you can tell I'd like to keep him around another year, but unless he takes a pay cut gonna be virtually impossible.
and then I'll miss #56.[/QUOTE]

He won't take a paycut and he's definitely not getting a raise anytime soon, so looks like Arrington might be out of Washington.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]He's got a lot of talent, I just don't think you can count on the guy. He's not dependable. He'll say one thing, and do another. He'll overpursue and won't be where you need him to be. I think that's the quality he lacks most: dependability. And a superstar on D, making a ton of money, needs to be dependable at the very least.[/QUOTE]

I'm sick of people making comments like "he overpursues, is too aggressive, and isn't where he's supposes to be" like all the problems with the defense are LaVars fault. If every player were where they supposed to be 100% of the time, then no opponent would score any points against Washington. When was the last time they blanked somebody?

But realistically, LaVar is done as a Redskin. I've said this before; when has the Washington front office ever cared about taking a huge cat hit? And even if he was willing to restructure, he would still be gone. Just ask Stephen Davis, Champ Bailey, Fred Smoot, Antonio Pierce, and eventually, Patrick Ramsey. Even further down the road, it's going to happen to Samuels, Portis, and Taylor once they're all used up, and most of you will hate on them too. That's how we do it in Washington.

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it sucks but your right southpaw, its the old redskins way. I think Gibbs is trying to change that though

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[QUOTE=Southpaw]I'm sick of people making comments like "he overpursues, is too aggressive, and isn't where he's supposes to be" like all the problems with the defense are LaVars fault. If every player were where they supposed to be 100% of the time, then no opponent would score any points against Washington. When was the last time they blanked somebody?

But realistically, LaVar is done as a Redskin. I've said this before; when has the Washington front office ever cared about taking a huge cat hit? And even if he was willing to restructure, he would still be gone. Just ask Stephen Davis, Champ Bailey, Fred Smoot, Antonio Pierce, and eventually, Patrick Ramsey. Even further down the road, it's going to happen to Samuels, Portis, and Taylor once they're all used up, and most of you will hate on them too. That's how we do it in Washington.[/QUOTE]

The logic of the first paragraph makes zero sense at all. Not all the problems of the D are Lavar's fault. The bottom line is that playing him means the risk of letting up a big play is too high to justify his massive contract. The guy is taken out on 3rd downs for crying out loud, the down in which the offense is most likely to drop back and pass, playing right into Lavar's supposed strength. Supposedly, he's a great pass rusher, but Williams won't even put him on the field to use that talent. Doesn't that tell you volumes about how Lavar can't be trusted??

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]The logic of the first paragraph makes zero sense at all. Not all the problems of the D are Lavar's fault. The bottom line is that playing him means the risk of letting up a big play is too high to justify his massive contract. The guy is taken out on 3rd downs for crying out loud, the down in which the offense is most likely to drop back and pass, playing right into Lavar's supposed strength. Supposedly, he's a great pass rusher, but Williams won't even put him on the field to use that talent. Doesn't that tell you volumes about how Lavar can't be trusted??[/QUOTE]

Makes no sense? So all of those times that LaVar is out on third down, no big plays occur? Actually, those are the exact times that the big plays tend to happen. If LaVar is such a liability when he's on the field, who's having the finger pointed at them when they give up a big play with him off the field? Who was to blame when when it was 3rd and 2, Maurice Morris got the ball and ran right at Warrick Holdman, who got blocked out of his shoes? Who was to blame on the 3rd and short at the end of the game, when Mac Strong got the longest run of his career, running on the beloved Marcus Washingtons' side?

All of this is a moot point anyway, since LaVar is gone before next season. I'm just tired of LaVar being the only person having a finger pointed at him for giving up a big play, when they all do it.

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You can't tell me 10 tackles, 1 pick, and 1 forced fumble in the TB game and then knocking the NFL MVP out is due to being a bad player. LA is an incredible athlete and also you don't hear about him in the papers for beating his wife, driving drunk or smoking a little mj. He has been a great redskin and should remain a skin b/c he can still help this team win.

All that being said I think he is done. He isn't going to be traded b/c teams know how big of a cap hit he is and what type of bonus he is due. Teams will wait to see if he is dropped and then try to pick him up for cheaper and not get rid a playmaker or draft slot.

Ramsey on the other hand will probably get traded for some 3rd round pick. Like someone said their are a lot of teams (NO - his home team, Detroit - quality around him, Oakland - again decent talent) with changes being made that may take him.Then they will package their two 3rd round picks to move up some how.

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I would think Lavar would have to approve a trade. If he means what he says about only playing for the Skins and retire if not then we will have to cut him. Maybe just maybe he might take a cut in pay. I mean if Joe Gibbs comes up to you and ask (sweet talks) to take a pay cut and all, I think he would stay.

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[QUOTE=BigSKINBauer]Lavar still has trade value in my eyes. His and Randy Moss's contracts are very very similiar. I mean it could be a straight swap. Randy didn't work for them. We may package Lavar and ramsey to our favorite trading team the Jets but i would want offense from them. I don't wanna trade anyone for anyone on Defense. I would love a dominant TE but i think that it wouldn't happen. We need to pick up a DE through FA or the draft. I still think lavar would be great at DE but it seems everyone thinks that bridge is burned[/QUOTE]

I'm sorry but neither randy or Porter are going anywhere they have huge signing bonus last year the cap hit its really high Raiders can' afford it.

I don't know what would be the cap hit for Lavar but if he doesn't restructure his contract I see him getting cut no team will make a trade if they know they're going to cut him or you will get an average player for taht trade

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LA wont restructure and the team takes a huge cap hit if he stays or goes (and this team could care less about cap hits). LA's gone to whoever will pay him (I dont blame him). He was good here but he could have been so much better.

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[QUOTE=Southpaw]Just ask Stephen Davis, Champ Bailey, Fred Smoot, Antonio Pierce, and eventually, Patrick Ramsey. [/QUOTE]

Not really a fair list considering that Davis was washed up (sorry, but the fact that Carolina needs 4 startable RB's on the roster is proof that Davis just can't play anymore), and Bailey got us Portis.

Smoot and Pierce were players I wish we could have kept but considering the difficulties both have faced this season (one couldn't stay out of trouble off the field, the other had a hard time staying on it), I don't feel that we got burned.

Ramsey? *Shrug*. My feeling on Ramsey has always been that he's not as bad as some people make him out to be, but he's nothing special. Maybe he goes somewhere else and becomes the next Trent Green and we kick ourselves for not sticking with him. But I'll wager there's a lot more chance he goes somewhere else and turns into the next Heath Shuler.

As for Lavar, he is done here. Lavar likes to think he is smarter than everyone else, and all this talk about how much he loves it here is designed to get the fans on his side and (he thinks) improve his leverage. He's played well in several games this year, but I think it was too little, too late, and this IS a business. He simply isn't worth the amount of money he's due for what we're getting out of him.

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Look--if it's 7 mil to keep him and 12 mil to cut him, then the math is clear--he's back. I agree with D'boyz that a trade is unlikely. And I agree with the sentiment that Gibbs wants to keep the squad intact--Lavar, for all his foibles, is a leader with the players, IMO. (Plus, I like Lavar, even if he is underacheiving--though see that recently linked Doc Walker column where Doc argued that Lavar is still recovering from injury, and next year he'll look much better.)