Those of you looking for some to blame.
 

I have been reading some posts on this and other forums since our loss today and am appalled by the ideas expressed. I can't believe what I'm reading. Coach Gibbs should "give up his clipboard". Portis was a bad trade. We lost, get over it. We got farther than a lot of us thought we would this year. Seriously, did you really think that we would be Super Bowl contenders in the first 2 years? Really? Next year we will have our shot (or should). I said that from the day I heard Gibbs was coming back. We have improved a little every year and will be back to full strength next year after a season of crippling injuries. When we lost Patten, we took a big hit. After he left, we had no #2 WR (other than Cooley). And yet Gibbs still took us to the playoffs. Brunell showed us that he still had life in him after some of us booed him off the field last year. I think that he may be done after this season (he's not getting any younger) and the jury is still out on Cambel, but Gibbs and Williams will find a way to get us there. We don't have the biggest superstars or the best athletes, (and one we do have we might lose to jail). Look at the positive. We made it to the playoffs. That's nothing to sneeze at considering our last decade (and then some) of football. the fact that some of you are talking trash about the players and the coaching staff after the injuries we suffered this year pisses me off. I'm ashamed to call you fellow "fans" (if that's what you call yourselves). I would hate to think that some members on this board are fair-weather. Talking about how much you like this player or this coach one week and then the next talking like they ruined our whole season. We got beat. Not necessarily by a better team, but by a team who had a better game than us. Once we find our #2 receiver (be that Patten or someone else) and a consistent QB, we will be the team to beat in the NFC. Until then I will continue to cheer as loud as I can for my team, good, bad, or ugly.

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I'm not going to "blame" anyone but there were a few things that IMHO would have turned this game around. First on the list is the dropped interception that Carlos Rogers had. If he makes the pick, it's 10-0 Redskins. The Seahawks went down and scored on that drive. A 14 pt. swing. Second, being pinned in our end most of the first half forced the play calling to be conservative. Gibbs wasn't going to take a chance throwing and giving Seatle a short field to play on if the ball gets batted and intercepted. Third, 3 tunovers and not being able to take advantage.That hurt! Hassleback also got away with a few bonehead throws that could have been picked off. Things just didn't line up for us BUT we made the playoffs, and got to watch our boys play 2 more games and I DIDN'T SEE THE COWBOYS THERE! We need to make a few changes off season. The coaching staff knows that and Dan Snyder, what ever you think of him, wants to win and will try to give Gibbs what he needs to keep the playoff runs alive.

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All year we have argued, debated and speculated on how this team could be better. No one and I mean no one saw the spectacular turnaround from 6-10 to 10-6 in just two seasons. For all doubters and haters of certain individual players on this team you should look in the mirror and ask yourself if sweeping Dallas and Philly, eliminating the Bucs and watching a team never give up with no 2#or 3# receivers is a team you can be embarrassed over? I can look in the mirror and know that this team showed the most resilience than any team in the NFL. 5-6 to 10-6 is beyond luck. It goes to the essence of Joe Gibbs and his ability to use what he has. Now just wait, and see the adjustments that will be made at the wideout position and defensive line. The puzzle is almost complete and I will continue to wear my Redskins coat and hat until the Superbowl is played just to let everybody know I am as proud of this team as the Seahawks fans are of theirs. Hail to the Redskins.

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in gibbs i trust!nothing else needed to say

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[QUOTE=H4172teh5k1n5]I have been reading some posts on this and other forums since our loss today and am appalled by the ideas expressed. I can't believe what I'm reading. Coach Gibbs should "give up his clipboard". Portis was a bad trade. We lost, get over it. We got farther than a lot of us thought we would this year. Seriously, did you really think that we would be Super Bowl contenders in the first 2 years? Really? Next year we will have our shot (or should). I said that from the day I heard Gibbs was coming back. We have improved a little every year and will be back to full strength next year after a season of crippling injuries. When we lost Patten, we took a big hit. After he left, we had no #2 WR (other than Cooley). And yet Gibbs still took us to the playoffs. Brunell showed us that he still had life in him after some of us booed him off the field last year. I think that he may be done after this season (he's not getting any younger) and the jury is still out on Cambel, but Gibbs and Williams will find a way to get us there. We don't have the biggest superstars or the best athletes, (and one we do have we might lose to jail). Look at the positive. We made it to the playoffs. That's nothing to sneeze at considering our last decade (and then some) of football. the fact that some of you are talking trash about the players and the coaching staff after the injuries we suffered this year pisses me off. I'm ashamed to call you fellow "fans" (if that's what you call yourselves). I would hate to think that some members on this board are fair-weather. Talking about how much you like this player or this coach one week and then the next talking like they ruined our whole season. We got beat. Not necessarily by a better team, but by a team who had a better game than us. Once we find our #2 receiver (be that Patten or someone else) and a consistent QB, we will be the team to beat in the NFC. Until then I will continue to cheer as loud as I can for my team, good, bad, or ugly.[/QUOTE]

Amen!

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[QUOTE=carldoc]I'm not going to "blame" anyone but there were a few things that IMHO would have turned this game around. First on the list is the dropped interception that Carlos Rogers had. If he makes the pick, it's 10-0 Redskins. The Seahawks went down and scored on that drive. A 14 pt. swing. Second, being pinned in our end most of the first half forced the play calling to be conservative. Gibbs wasn't going to take a chance throwing and giving Seatle a short field to play on if the ball gets batted and intercepted. Third, 3 tunovers and not being able to take advantage.That hurt! Hassleback also got away with a few bonehead throws that could have been picked off. Things just didn't line up for us BUT we made the playoffs, and got to watch our boys play 2 more games and I DIDN'T SEE THE COWBOYS THERE! We need to make a few changes off season. The coaching staff knows that and Dan Snyder, what ever you think of him, wants to win and will try to give Gibbs what he needs to keep the playoff runs alive.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, well that is the difference between winning and losing in every game isn't it? There are a few plays that could go either way and if you make them you probably win. Rogers also go smoked by Jurevicious when he tried to jump a route (probably trying to make up for dropping that pick) but he is a rookie and hopefully he will come back much improved next season and put in a season like DeAngelo Hall did in his second season.

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I have read some of the other FORUMS and the suggestions about what HAPPENED ... there should be NO blame period ... The Redskins has a GREAT YEAR ... and I expect NEXT SEASON to be even better for our REDSKINS ....

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I blame my Son Elijah and may try my first human sacrifice to make things right with the Football Gods.

He picked up his Yellow Skins Towel from where it had helped us win for 6 straight games. Last night he wore it on his head breaking or winning streak.

Hang'ns too good for him!

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[QUOTE=H4172teh5k1n5]I have been reading some posts on this and other forums since our loss today and am appalled by the ideas expressed. I can't believe what I'm reading. Coach Gibbs should "give up his clipboard". Portis was a bad trade. We lost, get over it. We got farther than a lot of us thought we would this year. Seriously, did you really think that we would be Super Bowl contenders in the first 2 years? Really? Next year we will have our shot (or should). I said that from the day I heard Gibbs was coming back. We have improved a little every year and will be back to full strength next year after a season of crippling injuries. When we lost Patten, we took a big hit. After he left, we had no #2 WR (other than Cooley). And yet Gibbs still took us to the playoffs. Brunell showed us that he still had life in him after some of us booed him off the field last year. I think that he may be done after this season (he's not getting any younger) and the jury is still out on Cambel, but Gibbs and Williams will find a way to get us there. We don't have the biggest superstars or the best athletes, (and one we do have we might lose to jail). Look at the positive. We made it to the playoffs. That's nothing to sneeze at considering our last decade (and then some) of football. the fact that some of you are talking trash about the players and the coaching staff after the injuries we suffered this year pisses me off. I'm ashamed to call you fellow "fans" (if that's what you call yourselves). I would hate to think that some members on this board are fair-weather. Talking about how much you like this player or this coach one week and then the next talking like they ruined our whole season. We got beat. Not necessarily by a better team, but by a team who had a better game than us. Once we find our #2 receiver (be that Patten or someone else) and a consistent QB, we will be the team to beat in the NFC. Until then I will continue to cheer as loud as I can for my team, good, bad, or ugly.[/QUOTE]

I agree totally. We should all continue to cheer and not lay blame. We had an outstanding year. Yeah we came up a little short, but there is so much to look forward to next year. We have a team full of character and most of all we look to have great stablity in the coaching staff so we can continue to build.

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[QUOTE=Sammy Baugh Fan]I blame my Son Elijah and may try my first human sacrifice to make things right with the Football Gods.

He picked up his Yellow Skins Towel from where it had helped us win for 6 straight games. Last night he wore it on his head breaking or winning streak.

Hang'ns too good for him![/QUOTE]


No, Sammy, it's not your son... I wasn't able to wear the lucky T-shirt that I wore over the last 5. I let the team and the city down... No need to sacrifice your son.

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[QUOTE=H4172teh5k1n5]I have been reading some posts on this and other forums since our loss today and am appalled by the ideas expressed.[/QUOTE]

H4172teh5k1n5, I don't know how to pronounce your name :cheeky-sm , but I agree with everything you said.

I read one post where someone wrote they "hated" Taylor Jacobs. That was way over the top. The guy couldn't cut it on the field, but he was trying. Hate? Really?

What coach are you going to get that's better than Joe Gibbs?
What quarterback on our roster was available and better than Mark Brunell; and who knew that better than Joe Gibbs?
Who knew Santana Moss was going to fit this offense better than Joe Gibbs?
Could we have made a late season run without Clinton Portis?

I'm old enough to remember the Redskins when they really were the deadskins. When [url="http://www.sportscolumn.com/story/2004/9/24/14489/7574"]George Izo[/url] and Norman Snead was throwing to Bobby Mitchell. That combo made a few exciting plays for a really bad team. When Jurgensen got here and tossed it to Mitchell and Charley Taylor, they became an exciting offense on a really bad team. Our 2006 Redskins had the best season you can have without getting to the Super Bowl and I thank all of them, even Taylor Jacobs, for the thrilling ride.

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[QUOTE=Sammy Baugh Fan]I blame my Son Elijah and may try my first human sacrifice to make things right with the Football Gods.

He picked up his Yellow Skins Towel from where it had helped us win for 6 straight games. Last night he wore it on his head breaking or winning streak.

Hang'ns too good for him![/QUOTE]
After your son's service for our country, I'm willing to cut him some slack.

30 days in the stockade. ;)

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Different kid.
This is a college student costing me money and eating all my food when he brings his buddies over for the games.
lol

It was great to have Tony home with his Portis Jersey on and Skins hat laying on the floor in front of the TV and not half a world away.

Kids are great at all ages. Enjoy and hug'm!

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I watched the game at my grandma's house instead of at home. It's my fault, guys.

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[QUOTE=Daryl Elite]I watched the game at my grandma's house instead of at home. It's my fault, guys.[/QUOTE]

DAMN YOU!
DAMN YOU TO HELL!

lol

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[QUOTE=H4172teh5k1n5]I have been reading some posts on this and other forums since our loss today and am appalled by the ideas expressed. I can't believe what I'm reading. Coach Gibbs should "give up his clipboard". Portis was a bad trade. We lost, get over it. We got farther than a lot of us thought we would this year. Seriously, did you really think that we would be Super Bowl contenders in the first 2 years? Really? Next year we will have our shot (or should). I said that from the day I heard Gibbs was coming back. We have improved a little every year and will be back to full strength next year after a season of crippling injuries. When we lost Patten, we took a big hit. After he left, we had no #2 WR (other than Cooley). And yet Gibbs still took us to the playoffs. Brunell showed us that he still had life in him after some of us booed him off the field last year. I think that he may be done after this season (he's not getting any younger) and the jury is still out on Cambel, but Gibbs and Williams will find a way to get us there. We don't have the biggest superstars or the best athletes, (and one we do have we might lose to jail). Look at the positive. We made it to the playoffs. That's nothing to sneeze at considering our last decade (and then some) of football. the fact that some of you are talking trash about the players and the coaching staff after the injuries we suffered this year pisses me off. I'm ashamed to call you fellow "fans" (if that's what you call yourselves). I would hate to think that some members on this board are fair-weather. Talking about how much you like this player or this coach one week and then the next talking like they ruined our whole season. We got beat. Not necessarily by a better team, but by a team who had a better game than us. Once we find our #2 receiver (be that Patten or someone else) and a consistent QB, we will be the team to beat in the NFC. Until then I will continue to cheer as loud as I can for my team, good, bad, or ugly.[/QUOTE]


Beautifully done!
For those of you that cannot see the wisdom and righteousness of this post, I will pray for you! I will pray for you every day! I will pray that you................... USELESS, IGNORANT, MF's to find someplace else to spread your mindless hate and discontent, because I personally have NO use for you HERE!!!!!!!!! And don't forget to smell the roses..............

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What I love about this site is that most posters are capable of intelligently debating things. Unlike some other unnamed websites, we are not controlled by anyone and we do not simply tag Snyder's line. We love the Redskins and are always willing to stick by them, but we don't debate like immature 5 year olds who name call. We differentiate ourselves from Philly fans.

Unfortunately, I have been absolutely blasted by people for saying that our offense has had problems lately. I have also said numerous times what a great season this was etc. I have had to repeatedly justify my opinions about our offense to those who are either totally unfamiliar with my own take on the team (which is overwhelmingly positive) or who are simply choosing to ignore my other posts.

Frankly, I'm tired of justifying my opinions. If you disagree with my posts, that is fine. I encourage healthy debate. But, please don't sully this site's, or your own, reputation by resorting to name-calling.

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Contrary to what the original post intimated, I don't think anyone has been calling for Gibbs' head. I think it is unanimous that he did a fantastic job this season. So, let's not overstate things.

Also, since people have pegged me as the "pessimist," I suggest you read some of my posts from earlier in the season when we weren't winning.

I note how people were overreacting to Loss
[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=9275[/url]

I defended Gibbs playcalling after the loss to the Chargers
[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=9255&page=3&pp=10[/url]

I told people not to give up on the team
[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=9273[/url]

I defended Gibbs W-L record
[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=9329[/url]

I defended the team, raising the strength of schedule
[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=9425[/url]

Before I get labelled as purely, an attention-seeking MF'er, please do your homework.

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It's my wife's fault she washed my jersey and moved my shrine which wasn't washed or moved since the streak began. My appologies to all of you. She caught a beating for it though.( just kidding about beating)

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[i]"When we lost Patten, we took a big hit."[/i]

I'm not so sure Patten was the answer either. Patten may be a legitimate slot. We need another receiver, what Moss did by himself is all the more impressive considering that he did it by himself. We got by without a legitimate threat on one end of the defensive line too. We got by without much depth on the offensive line.

...but we didn't just get by--we got to the playoffs. ...and that's largely because of coaching. Any Redskin Fan that doesn't see the incredible job Gibbs did this year just isn't lookin'. The difference is character, and Gibbs has it comin' out his ears. Look at the teams who made legitimate runs this year--all character teams, all with character coaches. As of a couple of days ago, there were ten teams lookin' for coaches--all ten of those teams will start next season two years behind us, at best. ...and if they're not character guys, they're not legitimate contenders. Gibbs should hang up his clipboard? ...That's nuts!

Home field advantage means so much in the playoffs. If a couple of plays had gone the other way this season, we'd have played yesterday's game at home. Those plays will go our way next season. Over sixteen games, coaching is the difference. ...Joe Gibbs is the difference between how far we got without him, and what we did this year. ...and we've got Williams back for next year too!

I think the expectations of anyone who thought we'd go farther this year were unrealistic. Playoff losses hurt much worse when you think you're only gonna get a shot once every ten years, but I remember when any year we didn't make the playoffs was considered a failure. ...I look at where the team is now, and I think those days are right around the corner again.

I remember, when I was a wee fan, when we really were hopeless losers. Being a 'skins fan back then meant cryin' tough, and stickin' with the bandwagon even when the parade was over. That ethic was exemplified by people like Sonny Jurgensen. I always figured if I had a son, I'd name him Sonny Jurgensen Shultz.

....but Joe Gibbs Shultz kinda has a nice ring to it too! We don't have to cry tough. We don't have to cry at all, 'cause I don't think this parade's over yet. I think it's just gettin' warmed up.

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I don't think anyone here has blamed Gibbs. Yeah many people blame Brunell. I am sure the worst thing I heard was Gibbs to get Mike Martz and it seemed everyone at the other site agreed. I don't think that we should say that everything is hunky dorry though because we did lose. That doesn't mean we underachieved but the same team next year is not gonna lead us to the Super Bowl.

I do not want TJ here any more - even though i still think he has potential lol we always have. I do not think Patten is the answer at WR. I think our team was MUCH MUCH MUCH better with Patten as he was a real distraction but our passing offense sucks people. IT really does. Look at the numbers it sucks. We only got 91% of the yards the opposing defense ususually gave up. THat means on average we gave the oppossing defenses good days through the air. OUr passing offense is flawed. We need another WR.

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[QUOTE=BigSKINBauer]I don't think anyone here has blamed Gibbs. Yeah many people blame Brunell. I am sure the worst thing I heard was Gibbs to get Mike Martz and it seemed everyone at the other site agreed. I don't think that we should say that everything is hunky dorry though because we did lose. That doesn't mean we underachieved but the same team next year is not gonna lead us to the Super Bowl.

I do not want TJ here any more - even though i still think he has potential lol we always have. I do not think Patten is the answer at WR. I think our team was MUCH MUCH MUCH better with Patten as he was a real distraction but our passing offense sucks people. IT really does. Look at the numbers it sucks. We only got 91% of the yards the opposing defense ususually gave up. THat means on average we gave the oppossing defenses good days through the air. OUr passing offense is flawed. We need another WR.[/QUOTE]

DEATH TO TAYLOR JACOBS.....:duel:

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]What I love about this site is that most posters are capable of intelligently debating things. Unlike some other unnamed websites, we are not controlled by anyone and we do not simply tag Snyder's line. We love the Redskins and are always willing to stick by them, but we don't debate like immature 5 year olds who name call. We differentiate ourselves from Philly fans.

Unfortunately, I have been absolutely blasted by people for saying that our offense has had problems lately. I have also said numerous times what a great season this was etc. I have had to repeatedly justify my opinions about our offense to those who are either totally unfamiliar with my own take on the team (which is overwhelmingly positive) or who are simply choosing to ignore my other posts.

Frankly, I'm tired of justifying my opinions. If you disagree with my posts, that is fine. I encourage healthy debate. But, please don't sully this site's, or your own, reputation by resorting to name-calling.[/QUOTE]
I think you typed the truth and you were real and I agree with everything you said.... And if people are going to be childish enough to attack you for you're views then thats not really you're problem.....

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Amen, also in Gibbs we trust

limagine taking a marginal talented team in a playoffs with pure guts and determination
lets see if we improve our weaknesses especially in of offensive side and CB

go skins all the way

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[QUOTE=Prop13][i]"When we lost Patten, we took a big hit."[/i]

I'm not so sure Patten was the answer either. Patten may be a legitimate slot. We need another receiver, what Moss did by himself is all the more impressive considering that he did it by himself. We got by without a legitimate threat on one end of the defensive line too. We got by without much depth on the offensive line.

...but we didn't just get by--we got to the playoffs. ...and that's largely because of coaching. Any Redskin Fan that doesn't see the incredible job Gibbs did this year just isn't lookin'. The difference is character, and Gibbs has it comin' out his ears. Look at the teams who made legitimate runs this year--all character teams, all with character coaches. As of a couple of days ago, there were ten teams lookin' for coaches--all ten of those teams will start next season two years behind us, at best. ...and if they're not character guys, they're not legitimate contenders. Gibbs should hang up his clipboard? ...That's nuts!

Home field advantage means so much in the playoffs. If a couple of plays had gone the other way this season, we'd have played yesterday's game at home. Those plays will go our way next season. Over sixteen games, coaching is the difference. ...Joe Gibbs is the difference between how far we got without him, and what we did this year. ...and we've got Williams back for next year too!

I think the expectations of anyone who thought we'd go farther this year were unrealistic. Playoff losses hurt much worse when you think you're only gonna get a shot once every ten years, but I remember when any year we didn't make the playoffs was considered a failure. ...I look at where the team is now, and I think those days are right around the corner again.

I remember, when I was a wee fan, when we really were hopeless losers. Being a 'skins fan back then meant cryin' tough, and stickin' with the bandwagon even when the parade was over. That ethic was exemplified by people like Sonny Jurgensen. I always figured if I had a son, I'd name him Sonny Jurgensen Shultz.

....but Joe Gibbs Shultz kinda has a nice ring to it too! We don't have to cry tough. We don't have to cry at all, 'cause I don't think this parade's over yet. I think it's just gettin' warmed up.[/QUOTE]


Great post! welcome!

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[QUOTE=railcon56@comcast.net]I think you typed the truth and you were real and I agree with everything you said.... And if people are ging to be childish enough to attack you for you're views then thats not really you're problem.....[/QUOTE]

Thanks. Now let's just move on, celebrate [I]and[/I] discuss the season, and talk about the offseason.

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I agree with Ramseyfan, people are just saying their opinion, its no big deal. We are all thankful for how far we have gotten, and no one is hating. That being said, it is no big deal if someone says something negative about the team, most of you guys are being very uptight. Most of the people on this forum love the Redskins, and that is why we are so passionate. We are trying to think of ways to improve. Only reason I am upset with the offense is because I love the Skins, and I realize everyone is upset that people are bashing the SKins, I am not bashing them, I am just another very passionate fan like the rest of you guys.

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Hooskins, love that signature.

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]What I love about this site is that most posters are capable of intelligently debating things. Unlike some other unnamed websites, we are not controlled by anyone and we do not simply tag Snyder's line. We love the Redskins and are always willing to stick by them, but we don't debate like immature 5 year olds who name call. We differentiate ourselves from Philly fans.

Unfortunately, I have been absolutely blasted by people for saying that our offense has had problems lately. I have also said numerous times what a great season this was etc. I have had to repeatedly justify my opinions about our offense to those who are either totally unfamiliar with my own take on the team (which is overwhelmingly positive) or who are simply choosing to ignore my other posts.

Frankly, I'm tired of justifying my opinions. If you disagree with my posts, that is fine. I encourage healthy debate. But, please don't sully this site's, or your own, reputation by resorting to name-calling.[/QUOTE]

I agree, Our offence has had problems lately, and I don't know too many people who would argue that. And I didn't direct his post at any one person, or even just at the posters of this site (which I might add, I just joined, and I like this more than any other 'Skins borad I've been to.) Because I'm new I haven't had as much time as I would have liked to read older posts. My apoligies if anyone felt that I was singling them out.

Hail to the Redskins.

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[QUOTE=Master4Caster]H4172teh5k1n5, I don't know how to pronounce your name :cheeky-sm...........[/QUOTE]

H4172teh5k1n5 = Hail2theSkins or Hail to the Redskins. You have to look closely to see it.

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I blame Dallas and all they stand for. If they had lost to the Panthers in Week 16, instead of getting that crappy call late in the game, we would have clinched a playoff spot. This would have allowed our guys to rest in week 17 instead of having to play a tough divisional game. The guys gave there all yesterday and you could see that they were tired. Portis, Brunell, Moss all were flat for long parts of the game.Damn you Dallas! also damn the NFL! having the bye in week 4? meant we had spent all our petrol tickets by the end of the year.

What hurts is the fact that Seattle did not play that well yesterday and we could have beaten them.

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It was a fun season!!! I blame no one but you have to ask yourself why there was no back up for R. Brown when he went down! Raymer what was that! Anyway we have some work to do!!!

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progress man progress. things are lookin up from what i,m seeing.
a few more pieces to the puzzle and we are off and running in 06.

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The only place where I lay blame is on ourselves as a team, I mean think of it this way, if we had beat the chargers and raiders at home and still won out we would have ben 12-4, giving us the #2 seed, a week bye, and only 1 game on the road for the playoffs. That is where I get a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach because we could have beaten those 2 teams. I think that we had a great year, it was a long time (6 years) to feel this way and I enjoyed every bit of it.

Many people are overlooking the fact that we are moving forward as a team. Yeah, we are missing a few pieces yet but they will come.

Also, Patten may or may not be the answer as our #2 WR, the thing is we dont know and will not know until next year. I say this because until teams started to double cover Moss, Moss was the go to guy. We really never had a chance to to have Moss, Patten, Cooley, Sellers, Portis, and even Royal in games where Gibbs knew that opposing D's were going to double cover Moss. I would like to think that later in the season Patten would have proven his worth, like when teams knew that #89 had to be double covered, or he would make them pay...

Another point, did anyone else notice that our offense lost a step after Thomas went down? I am not trying to say that Ray Brown did bad for us, he did extreamly well for being 43 and playing guard in the NFL, where most of the guys that he lined up against were still shiting in there diapers when he was in his prime. But lets face facts football is a violent sport and Brown is 43 playing at one of the sports most violent postitions. I commend Ray Brown for his effort, courage, and will and I am damn sure glad that he was on our team, like someone else mentioned Cory Raymer, what was that!!! Injuries are part of the game, but with a healthy Thomas I think we beat seattle.

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[QUOTE=SUNRA]All year we have argued, debated and speculated on how this team could be better. No one and I mean no one saw the spectacular turnaround from 6-10 to 10-6 in just two seasons. For all doubters and haters of certain individual players on this team you should look in the mirror and ask yourself if sweeping Dallas and Philly, eliminating the Bucs and watching a team never give up with no 2#or 3# receivers is a team you can be embarrassed over? I can look in the mirror and know that this team showed the most resilience than any team in the NFL. 5-6 to 10-6 is beyond luck. It goes to the essence of Joe Gibbs and his ability to use what he has. Now just wait, and see the adjustments that will be made at the wideout position and defensive line. The puzzle is almost complete and I will continue to wear my Redskins coat and hat until the Superbowl is played just to let everybody know I am as proud of this team as the Seahawks fans are of theirs. Hail to the Redskins.[/QUOTE]

most here picked a 10-6 record on the preseason poll...

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]Thanks. Now let's just move on, celebrate [i]and[/i] discuss the season, and talk about the offseason.[/QUOTE]

Who..........."attacked" you?

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IN GIBBS I TRUST!!!

Same thing I've said before, since and during his 2nd tenure.

Why would any doubt?

Anyone noticed the 'team' concept since he's been back?
God bless Joe GIbbs!

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I was really disappointed sat. But I felt coach gibbs and our defense took us about as far as we could go this year. For what he has done via FA and trades it has been incrediable, almost a completely different team. He knows where the weak spots are(WR,QB,TE) He said it sat. trying to keep his core guys together is no. one priority. I believe he'll find a WR and open up QB position.The team is within striking dist. now. Two years ago we weren't even close

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[QUOTE=Redskins8588]Also, Patten may or may not be the answer as our #2 WR, the thing is we dont know and will not know until next year. I say this because until teams started to double cover Moss, Moss was the go to guy. We really never had a chance to to have Moss, Patten, Cooley, Sellers, Portis, and even Royal in games where Gibbs knew that opposing D's were going to double cover Moss. I would like to think that later in the season Patten would have proven his worth, like when teams knew that #89 had to be double covered, or he would make them pay...

Another point, did anyone else notice that our offense lost a step after Thomas went down? I am not trying to say that Ray Brown did bad for us, he did extreamly well for being 43 and playing guard in the NFL, where most of the guys that he lined up against were still shiting in there diapers when he was in his prime. But lets face facts football is a violent sport and Brown is 43 playing at one of the sports most violent postitions. I commend Ray Brown for his effort, courage, and will and I am damn sure glad that he was on our team, like someone else mentioned Cory Raymer, what was that!!! Injuries are part of the game, but with a healthy Thomas I think we beat seattle.[/QUOTE]

I agree with you on Patten. I also think it's a bit ridiculous how the big complaint about this offense is no "credible #2 receiving threat." We had the #2 WR in the entire NFL this season in #89. He was a measly 80 yards behind Steve Smith. I would say that clearly Santana Moss being double covered or "shut down" did not hurt his production in any way if he manages to be the #2 guy in the league. The problems run a bit deeper or at least more complex than simply having a real #2 guy. Sure it would help, but what do you expect is going to happen - add a #2 threat and everything is magically solved? Arizona with their two top ten WRs sure didn't do well this season. St. Louis didn't make the playoffs and they have to excellent WRs. Hell, the Colts with Harrison and Wayne (arguably the best tandem in the league right now) just got knocked out of the playoffs.

The "magic bullet" isn't a #2 WR. Hell, there IS no magic bullet.

Another good point with Ray Brown as well. I am definitely not one for singling one guy out to place all the blame, and Ray did an amazing job all things considered. But we did seem to lack that tough, "slobberknocker" kind of spark on offense after Randy Thomas went down. Our offense seemed to be really taking off up until that injury. Is that the SOLE reason we lost? Of course not. I would say it was a major contributing factor, and just goes to show how important the offensive line is.

I'm all for getting Patten back or signing a good #2 WR. I'm all for signing any quality player at any position. I think the BEST improvements can be made to the offensive line, whether it's a choice signing here and there, or just letting the guys get healthy and play as a unit longer.

It all starts with the offensive line. We saw yesterday that Peyton Manning looks like a little girl when his line is getting scorched. We see teams like the Chiefs and Broncos plug in virtually any running back or quarterback and have great success simply because their O-lines are fantastic.

It sure ain't a glory position playing down in the trenches, but it's where every offensive play starts and it's a hell of alot more important than signing some big name WR or TE or whatever other quick fix people are looking for.

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[QUOTE=Redskins8588]The only place where I lay blame is on ourselves as a team, I mean think of it this way, if we had beat the chargers and raiders at home and still won out we would have ben 12-4, giving us the #2 seed, a week bye, and only 1 game on the road for the playoffs. That is where I get a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach because we could have beaten those 2 teams.[/QUOTE]

If the 2 calls went our way in the fist Bucs game, we would have been the #2 seed. Those blown calls ended up costing us much more than just that game, it also cost us the division title.