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jasonskin 04-27-2004 08:09 PM

Cliff Russell
 
Whats up with Cliff Russell we he play this year or was he a wast of a drift pick

Daseal 04-27-2004 09:33 PM

I have a feeling he'll be cut.

joecrisp 04-27-2004 09:40 PM

I don't see Russell sticking around. With Coles, Gardner, McCants, Jacobs, Thrash and Cloman, I don't see any room for a guy that can't catch-- I don't care how fast he is. Gibbs looks for intelligence, toughness, reliability and excellent route-running in his wide receivers, and Russell possesses none of those qualities from what I have seen.

SmootSmack 04-27-2004 10:19 PM

I had thought he would've been a perfect candidate for NFL Europe. Once the Redskins didn't send him over there I thought it was pretty apparent that he just doesn't fit into their plans

skinsfanthru&thru 04-27-2004 10:53 PM

i was wondering about something, in the deal for thrash, did we give up the 5th round pick or is it contingent for him to be on our roster for a certain amount of time to send the pick to phili? i ask this cuz i think cloman and the recently signed udfa standeford each have a decent shot of making the roster.

skinsfanthru&thru 04-27-2004 10:53 PM

oh and russel sucks and should have been cut last year.

jrocx69 04-27-2004 11:11 PM

we signed that purdue wr as well and i have a strong feeling he will make the team. very good stats considering his competition in his conference and being 6'2 195lbs helps considerably

cpayne5 04-27-2004 11:16 PM

Russell's got excellent speed, too bad he's got butter fingers to match.

sportscurmudgeon 04-27-2004 11:24 PM

Russell's world class "sprinter speed" will keep him around until training camp because you can't teach "FAST!" However, unless someone taught him how to catch a football in the last six months, he will flub his way onto the "cut list" before the season starts.

Because of his speed, some other team will sign him. And they'll keep him until they convince themselves that they can't teach him how to catch a football either.

But if he ever learns how to do that, he'll be a force in the league. This guy is "Darrell Green fast".

skinsfanthru&thru 04-27-2004 11:29 PM

russell's the type of guy stickem was created for. he has bricks for hands and someone should see about turning him into a db cuz unless he makes a deal with the devil(like on futurama) to be able to catch, he's never gonna be anything higher than a 4th or 5th string wr.

JWsleep 04-27-2004 11:30 PM

Maybe we can convert him to CB?

JWsleep 04-27-2004 11:31 PM

Whoa, skinsfan. My thoughts EXACTLY! ;>)

skinsfanthru&thru 04-27-2004 11:34 PM

do u think we could get him to add some bulk and use him off the edge on kicking coverages?

sportscurmudgeon 04-27-2004 11:45 PM

Cornerbacks have to do more than run with receivers. Let me say this as politely as I can.


I doubt that Russell could be taught to do the tackling duties associated with the cornerback position and I SERIOUSLY doubt that he could learn to read the offensive shifts and thus adjust his defensive responsibilities in the time it takes to run a play.


If he is going to be valuable to a football team in the NFL, sonebody has to teach him how to catch a damned football and no one has been able to do that yet.

offiss 04-28-2004 03:00 AM

[QUOTE=JWsleep]Whoa, skinsfan. My thoughts EXACTLY! ;>)[/QUOTE]

join the club. lol

JoeRedskin 04-28-2004 08:39 AM

[QUOTE=sportscurmudgeon]Cornerbacks have to do more than run with receivers. Let me say this as politely as I can.


I doubt that Russell could be taught to do the tackling duties associated with the cornerback position and I SERIOUSLY doubt that he could learn to read the offensive shifts and thus adjust his defensive responsibilities in the time it takes to run a play.


If he is going to be valuable to a football team in the NFL, sonebody has to teach him how to catch a damned football and no one has been able to do that yet.[/QUOTE]


Ahhh, perhaps your implying that a houseplant would give Russell a run for his money in the IQ department?

Didn't we trade up to pick this guy? or was that Bauman?

MTK 04-28-2004 10:18 AM

Russell will be a camp cut, no doubt.

sportscurmudgeon 04-28-2004 10:43 AM

JoeRedskin:

"Houseplant" mightbe too harsh a comparison to make. I was trying to be polite and that comparison would offend houseplants everywhere... :)

GibbssbbiG 04-28-2004 10:50 AM

Now that we lost Jarrell Weaver to the Jets... ...
 
We should keep Cliff Russell around and develop him into special team playmaker.
How about developing him into a special team – punt_blocker / FG_blocker _?

:banghead: __________ Now that we lost Jarrell Weaver to the Jets... ...
I am praying that our wise FO can sign this – ( Unri Thomas -- WR Bethune Cookman College ). --- Awesome speed as a special team playmaker.

*

SKINSnCANES 04-28-2004 11:19 AM

heh...I wonder what Russel got on the ever so imporotant wonderlic test... He definitly doent seem to fit in our plans as a receiver. He may still be here as a special team guy. Last year Patrick Johnson was very impressive as a special teamer because of how fast he got down the field, mabye Cliff could take that spot.

cpayne5 04-28-2004 11:33 AM

Sounds promising, coming out of college...

9. Cliff Russell, Utah, 5-11 3/8, 185, 2: Has big-time speed (under 4.3 in the 40). Some teams think the rest of his skills are pedestrian. Will be picked on potential but could develop into a team’s No. 1. “He has good ball skills and he makes the great catch,” said a receivers coach for an NFC team. “He’s just a little lean. I don’t know what people would be worried about with him.”

Carnage 04-28-2004 12:22 PM

Russel will be gone, and those undrafted free agents are wasting their time. We are loaded with WRs that have NFl experience.

SkinsRock 04-28-2004 12:51 PM

[QUOTE=cpayne5]Sounds promising, coming out of college...

9. Cliff Russell, Utah, 5-11 3/8, 185, 2: Has big-time speed (under 4.3 in the 40). Some teams think the rest of his skills are pedestrian. Will be picked on potential but could develop into a team’s No. 1. “He has good ball skills and he makes the great catch,” said a receivers coach for an NFC team. “He’s just a little lean. I don’t know what people would be worried about with him.”[/QUOTE]

"a receivers coach for an NFC team"....former Skins WR coach Steve Spurrier Jr.???? ;)

cpayne5 04-28-2004 12:55 PM

Heh, could be!

SmootSmack 04-28-2004 01:00 PM

[url]http://starbulletin.com/2002/05/19/sports/story2.html[/url]

"Washington wide receivers coach Steve Spurrier Jr. said it appears the 6-foot, 185-pound Russell's conversion from back to receiver is complete.

"Cliff is an extremely good player. He is better than I thought he would be," Spurrier Jr. said. "He's very intelligent. We knew he could run and catch the ball, but he is an intelligent guy, too. Cliff is learning the offense well, he knows how to get open and I see him being a valuable player in the offense this year."

skinsfanthru&thru 04-28-2004 01:23 PM

[QUOTE=smootsmack][url]http://starbulletin.com/2002/05/19/sports/story2.html[/url]

"Washington wide receivers coach Steve Spurrier Jr. said it appears the 6-foot, 185-pound Russell's conversion from back to receiver is complete.

"Cliff is an extremely good player. He is better than I thought he would be," Spurrier Jr. said. "He's very intelligent. We knew he could run and catch the ball, but he is an intelligent guy, too. Cliff is learning the offense well, he knows how to get open and I see him being a valuable player in the offense this year."[/QUOTE]

:rolleyes: great talent evaluation steve jr.

Carnage 04-28-2004 04:58 PM

Hell, he might be right, but this kid is going to have to make his own opportunities to stick in the NFL.
I see him in Oakland or St Louis. Both those organizations are speed hungry.

OaklandSkinz 04-28-2004 05:11 PM

i think Russell is definitely gone..especially since a guy like Gibbs will see what Spurrier didn't..."U Can't use a reciever if he can't at least catch"...the speed is "off the hook", he is hella fast, but i don't he'll have enough qualities for Gibbs.. I look for Cloman to take that spot fairly quickly..
Oh, and about the cornerback transition......Never... CB's really need to be able to use their hands.( am i right? )

skinsfanthru&thru 04-28-2004 05:19 PM

[QUOTE=OaklandSkinz]i think Russell is definitely gone..especially since a guy like Gibbs will see what Spurrier didn't..."U Can't use a reciever if he can't at least catch"...the speed is "off the hook", he is hella fast, but i don't he'll have enough qualities for Gibbs.. I look for Cloman to take that spot fairly quickly..
Oh, and about the cornerback transition......Never... CB's really need to be able to use their hands.( am i right? )[/QUOTE]

he'd be the ultimate pass deflector just not an int man.

OaklandSkinz 04-28-2004 05:22 PM

I Agree!...


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