NFL apologies - why is Pittsburgh miscall worse than TAmpa?
 

So, why do the Steelers get an apology for a call that had no [b]actual[/b] impact on the outcome of the game, yet we didn't get one for a call that [b]did[/b] unquestionably impact the outcome of the game?
[url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060117/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_steelers_colts_wrong_call[/url]

I appreciate it's a playoff game and much higher visibility, but is that it?

I know, "we made the playoffs so the game at Tampa didn't hurt us, so let it go". It's the offseason - what else are we going to talk about?

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[QUOTE=onlydarksets]I know, "we made the playoffs so the game at Tampa didn't hurt us, so let it go". It's the offseason - what else are we going to talk about?[/QUOTE]
You are right we made the playoffs but if we beat Tampa the first time and still won out like we did we would have ben the #2 seed giving us a bye week, a home game, and only 1 game on the road to get to the Super Bowl. I like playing with those odds much better, dont you?

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I was trying to avoid dismissive comments and posts that didn't address the question ;)

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I think the visbility of the game means a lot and I really do think the Skins get no love from the league. Plus as clear as the TB play is to us and lots of other people I think we are all making pretty valid deductions about Alstott breaking the plane of the goal line. I don't think even valid deductions are enough to get the NFL to admit a mistake. They need like clear enough evidence that Helen keller couuld see to admit it.

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While I prefer your "conspiracy theory" angle, I think your comments about the level of proof make sense. I don't want to [b]completely[/b] rehash the TB game, but, of course, even Gruden wouldn't say "Alstott was obviously in". Oh well, onwards and upwards!

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That call had a huge impact on the game. Had the int stood, the steelers would have had the ball and all the mayhem that followed would not have happened. It completely gave the colts new life when it looked like they were done.

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[QUOTE=irish]That call had a huge impact on the game. Had the int stood, the steelers would have had the ball and all the mayhem that followed would not have happened. It completely gave the colts new life when it looked like they were done.[/QUOTE]

As I stated above, it had zero impact on the [b]outcome[/b] of the game.

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Guys every team gets a call (or doesn't) that changes the course of the game and season in the game on Thanksgiven Dallas vs Denver that went to OT the run that Ron Dayne took 85 on third down that won the game should have been made because of a clear ( way way clear) Hold on Ferguson he was in front of Dayne and was pulled out of the played.

If that play would never happen we would had had a 10-6 record before the last week and a spot on the playoffs not to mention a chance to win the division.

Just to name 1 that's why every Coach will tell you. "You don't leave the game to the officials you take it home" if you give them a chance somethimes you will get a call on your favor, somethimes against.

If you weren't behind the hole game you wouldn't be looking at that play but you did so anything can happen.

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[QUOTE=D'BOYZ]Guys every team gets a call (or doesn't) that changes the course of the game and season in the game on Thanksgiven Dallas vs Denver that went to OT the run that Ron Dayne took 85 on third down that won the game should have been made because of a clear ( way way clear) Hold on Ferguson he was in front of Dayne and was pulled out of the played.

If that play would never happen we would had had a 10-6 record before the last week and a spot on the playoffs not to mention a chance to win the division.

Just to name 1 that's why every Coach will tell you. "You don't leave the game to the officials you take it home" if you give them a chance somethimes you will get a call on your favor, somethimes against.

If you weren't behind the hole game you wouldn't be looking at that play but you did so anything can happen.[/QUOTE]

You are absolutely right - I am not trying to discuss the call and what it meant to our season, though. My question was about the NFL and how/when they admit mistakes.

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they usually admit wen the presure of the whole media is in their face and it usually in the playoff throughout the season every coach and team send questinable calls of the game and it send to the NFL to review and they send a response or appology is 1 is needed but this don't reach the public.

It's an indoor rule you can't publicly addmit as a legue to 20 mistakes each week it will reflect like something is wrong. So it only gets in the open when there's a lot of presure from the media.

remmeber early on the year when Sherman made a statment that the league had appologized for a bad call and it became a huge fuzz because he made it public then the NFL denyed it and he came 2 appologize. The NFL might had call and say there was a mistke but the fact tha the made it public its what made the NFL react.

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What annoys me is that they now have the "justification time" with the head of league officiating on NFL Total Access. I mean, seriously... this guy just comes on and backs the refs no matter what (of course unless it was completely blatant like the int..).

Also, what was up with the no-call on the offside/false start penalty where they stop an entire play and discuss for 5 minutes and throw no flag. Has that ever happened before?

This season has been tainted by the worst officiating I've seen in my life. Not just for my team, but in the league in general. I don't understand why steve smith gets thrown from a game for putting his hand on a ref, and Ronde Barber gets a kiss on the cheek after decking one.

We need full time well-paid well trained officials.

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The NFL does not agree on the Tampa call. They consider the visual evidence inconclusive on Alstots non score. They reviewed the play on NFL Network with the head of officials and he agreed with the ref for not reversing the call.

I think that's nonsense, but that's where they stand on the call.

And normally there is no public statement, just a letter to the team. I guess playoffs prompted the public statement.

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[QUOTE=canthetuna]We need full time well-paid well trained officials.[/QUOTE]
I agree 100% - given the amount of money at stake (billions), it's silly not to spend $20 million or so to have full time crews.

[QUOTE=celts32]They reviewed the play on NFL Network with the head of officials and he agreed with the ref for not reversing the call.[/QUOTE]
I wasn't aware they had made any statement regarding the play. If this is true, then I am a little satisfied. As you said, I think it's ridiculous to say Alstott was in, but there's another thread (or six ;)) on that subject...

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[QUOTE=canthetuna]Also, what was up with the no-call on the offside/false start penalty where they stop an entire play and discuss for 5 minutes and throw no flag. Has that ever happened before?[/QUOTE]

That was one of the strangest things I've ever seen. It's obvious somebody moved, they basically did the old playground move and called a do over. I really didn't understand that either.

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[QUOTE=onlydarksets]While I prefer your "conspiracy theory" angle, I think your comments about the level of proof make sense. I don't want to [b]completely[/b] rehash the TB game, but, of course, even Gruden wouldn't say "Alstott was obviously in". Oh well, onwards and upwards![/QUOTE]


Honestly, for the first time in the history of watching sports, the idea of a "fix" came into my mind when I was watching the Colts/Steelers game. I have never seen so many bad calls go one teams way, and just a poor job by the officials. In the winter meetings, making penalties reviewable HAS GOT to be a priority. They would get reviewed by other officals upstairs and sent down to the on feild ref.

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[QUOTE=Gmanc711]Honestly, for the first time in the history of watching sports, the idea of a "fix" came into my mind when I was watching the Colts/Steelers game. I have never seen so many bad calls go one teams way, and just a poor job by the officials. In the winter meetings, making penalties reviewable HAS GOT to be a priority. They would get reviewed by other officals upstairs and sent down to the on feild ref.[/QUOTE]


I have been saying the fix word for 2 years now, it's obvious the NFL want's to promote it's stars and it's hard to do if their not winning, it was also obvious they had it in for D. Snyder, I am pretty objective and I have to say the calls that have went against us the past year and a half were much worse than just a bad call, they were a wink, wink, nod, nod, by the NFL to the officials to make sure they do their best to see we get the short end of the stick when ever the opportunity presents itself, that's what the down by contact rule was instituted for.

Most of the NFL officials are basically WWF rejects!

Yup theres more than just bad officiating going on in the NFL, no one can be that bad on a regular basis.

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[QUOTE=onlydarksets]So, why do the Steelers get an apology for a call that had no [b]actual[/b] impact on the outcome of the game, yet we didn't get one for a call that [b]did[/b] unquestionably impact the outcome of the game?
[url="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060117/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_steelers_colts_wrong_call"]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060117/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_steelers_colts_wrong_call[/url]

I appreciate it's a playoff game and much higher visibility, but is that it?

I know, "we made the playoffs so the game at Tampa didn't hurt us, so let it go". It's the offseason - what else are we going to talk about?[/QUOTE]

The reasom they got the apoligy and not us is beacuse their call did not eventually decide the game, ours did. Skins fans would be even more pissed off if they didn't overturn the end game result, so they let it be.

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The call in our Tampa game wasn't the end of the world. Game on the line, Gruden going for 2, Alstott getting the ball in front of the home crowd...I didn't really expect to get that call.

On the other hand, that overturned interception in the Steelers game was one of the worst calls I've ever seen. To do that in a playoff game, after reviewing the play...disgusting. Not to mention a bunch of others.

We all know the NFL wants the Manning/Manning super bowl (see NYG 2005 - 9 home games - favorable H/V splits), but do they have to make it that obvious? :madani:

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[QUOTE=onlydarksets]So, why do the Steelers get an apology for a call that had no [b]actual[/b] impact on the outcome of the game, yet we didn't get one for a call that [b]did[/b] unquestionably impact the outcome of the game?
[url="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060117/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_steelers_colts_wrong_call"]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060117/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_steelers_colts_wrong_call[/url]

I appreciate it's a playoff game and much higher visibility, but is that it?

I know, "we made the playoffs so the game at Tampa didn't hurt us, so let it go". It's the offseason - what else are we going to talk about?[/QUOTE] :censored: and if we are gonna get :censored: about a :censored: [size=4]call [/size]what about the:censored: denver game the :censored: [size=4]safety[/size] that didn't happen because of a :censored: [size=4]''tuck rule''[/size] that i dont under-stand to this day that was a:censored: [size=4]safety......21----19[/size]

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[QUOTE=canthetuna]We need full time well-paid well trained officials.[/QUOTE]

Well I do think the officials are well paid (I think some make $10,000 a game and I am pretty sure they start out at around $80,000...FOR A PART-TIME JOB) and they are probably well trained, but I do agree that they should be full time. You can't have School Principles (that is the profession of the guy that screwed up the Steeler INT) and Insurance Adjusters out there making calls. They should be in the league offices training all season . . . I think that is how all the other Major League sports operate. Why not the NFL?