Free Agent WRs
 

Barring a trade, here are the guys expected to be available.


UFA’s

[b]1)David Givens NE[/b]
2)Reggie Wayne Ind -- would like, but he wants to be a #1
3)Josh Reed Buf
4)Randy Hymes Bal
5)Antonio Bryant Cle --talented, but serious character/legal issues in past
6)Antwaan Randle El Pit
7)Eric Moulds Buf
8)Joe Jurevicius Sea
9)Peter Warrick Sea
10)Jabar Gaffney Hou -- maybe, but would need more end zone production
11)Rod Gardner Car
[b]12)Corey Bradford Hou[/b]
13)Kevin Johnson Det
14)Peerless Price Dal
15)Dez White Atl
[b]16)Koren Robinson Min[/b]
17)Quincy Morgan Pit
18)Az-Zhair Hakim NO
19)Tim Carter NYG
20)David Boston Mia
21)Ike Hillard TB
22)Troy Brown NE -- worth a thought
23)Tim Dwight NE
24)Jerome Pathon Atl
25)Charles Lee Ari
26)Marc Boerighter KC
27)Reggie Swinton Ari
28)Troy Walters Ind
29)Patrick Johnson Bal

RFA’s

[b]1)Brandon Lloyd SF[/b]
2)Patrick Crayton Dal
3)Nate Burleson Min
4)Eddie Drummond Det-KR
5)Kevin Walter Cin
6)Shaun McDonald Stl
7)Willie Ponder NYG
[b]8)Kevin Curtis Stl[/b] -- probably will NOT be let go by STL
9)Kelley Washington Cin
10)David Tyree NYG
11)Derick Armstrong Hou
12)Kaseem Osgood SD
13)Arnaz Battle SF -- hurt too often
14)Chris Horn KC
15)Bryan Gilmore Mia

Here would be my targets:

Givens: Averages 50-some catches a year with most of them for 1st downs and a respectable 3.9 YAC (to compare with Steve Smith @7.9 and Santana @7.3 this year) He's big, he's young, he's solid and he does not fumble. A good compliment to Moss.

Bradford: Perhaps the biggest project of my picks, but I like him because he finds the end zone. He's older (98 draft by GB). The Skins struggled close to the zone this year and he would be another big target to drive over the middle. He also comes up big on 3rd downs. 9/9 on conversions with a 22+ yard average on 3rd downs. He's never really found his groove in Houston and I think he could help for a few years.

Robinson: A lot has already been said here about Koren. It seems that maybe he has his priorities straight...finally. Maybe it's the fact that he is a dad now. If he does, then I'd love to see him in burgundy and gold. A pure talent. I don't need to elaborate.

Brandon Lloyd: I think this kid really emerged this year...his 3rd in the league. He's a blazer who's fumbled only once in 3 years. SF's lack of QB talent has hurt him over the past 3 years and I think he'd be a steal in the RFA market (cost=4th rounder)

Kevin Curtis: The guy is phenomenal but buried beneath Bruce and Holt. Played with Cooley at Utah State. Early in the season when he was getting starts because of injuries, he was posting very respectable #2 receiver stats. 60 catches, 801 yards, 6 TDs with about 2/3 of the season at the #2 spot (cost= 3rd rounder)

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I beleive Patton would have been high on that list if he was still with New England, what makes anyone think that any of these guy's will flurish as a #2 in our offense, our offense is like the elephant graveyard for #2 WR's this is where they come to never be heard from again, whether it's Brunell or the offensive scheme take your pick, but spending big money on a high profile WR, to have him run sprints in practice, and play an apparent decoy in the games is a waste of money.

I wont argue the fact that maybe Patten is best as a #3 reciever, but we have had plenty of #2's and Brunell hasen't been able to hook up with any of them.

I wonder how T. Jacobs would be doing if he played in New England, he actually reminds me of David Givens a bit, without the QB of coarse.

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I want Antwaan Randle El simply because he has all the skills necessary to be a good #2 receiver...plus signing him wouldn't break the bank.

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[QUOTE=offiss]I beleive Patton would have been high on that list if he was still with New England, what makes anyone think that any of these guy's will flurish as a #2 in our offense, our offense is like the elephant graveyard for #2 WR's this is where they come to never be heard from again, whether it's Brunell or the offensive scheme take your pick, but spending big money on a high profile WR, to have him run sprints in practice, and play an apparent decoy in the games is a waste of money.

I wont argue the fact that maybe Patten is best as a #3 reciever, but we have had plenty of #2's and Brunell hasen't been able to hook up with any of them.

I wonder how T. Jacobs would be doing if he played in New England, he actually reminds me of David Givens a bit, without the QB of coarse.[/QUOTE]

What do you mean plenty of #2's? Last year Rod Gardner was the no. 2. The Panthers couldn't get rid of him fast enough this year. This year it was David Patten, who got hurt midway through the season but was still on pace for close to 50 receptions (his average).

Is Brunell responsible for TJ getting "hurt" all the time?

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I was thinking Saturday that Joe Jurevicius would be a great pick up for us. hes level headed and hard working vet. The guy has been successful every where hes been, and probably wont have the hefty price tag. Moss, Patten, Jurevicius, Cooley sounds really nice.

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[QUOTE=saden1]I want Antwaan Randle El simply because he has all the skills necessary to be a good #2 receiver...plush signing him wouldn't break the bank.[/QUOTE]

I agree 100%. And then I'd take a serious look at Jurevicius and Bryant

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[QUOTE=Sociofan]Barring a trade, here are the guys expected to be available.


UFA’s

[b]1)David Givens NE[/b]
2)Reggie Wayne Ind -- would like, but he wants to be a #1
3)Josh Reed Buf
4)Randy Hymes Bal
5)Antonio Bryant Cle --talented, but serious character/legal issues in past
6)Antwaan Randle El Pit
7)Eric Moulds Buf
8)Joe Jurevicius Sea
9)Peter Warrick Sea
10)Jabar Gaffney Hou -- maybe, but would need more end zone production
11)Rod Gardner Car
[b]12)Corey Bradford Hou[/b]
13)Kevin Johnson Det
14)Peerless Price Dal
15)Dez White Atl
[b]16)Koren Robinson Min[/b]
17)Quincy Morgan Pit
18)Az-Zhair Hakim NO
19)Tim Carter NYG
20)David Boston Mia
21)Ike Hillard TB
22)Troy Brown NE -- worth a thought
23)Tim Dwight NE
24)Jerome Pathon Atl
25)Charles Lee Ari
26)Marc Boerighter KC
27)Reggie Swinton Ari
28)Troy Walters Ind
29)Patrick Johnson Bal

RFA’s

[b]1)Brandon Lloyd SF[/b]
2)Patrick Crayton Dal
3)Nate Burleson Min
4)Eddie Drummond Det-KR
5)Kevin Walter Cin
6)Shaun McDonald Stl
7)Willie Ponder NYG
[b]8)Kevin Curtis Stl[/b] -- probably will NOT be let go by STL
9)Kelley Washington Cin
10)David Tyree NYG
11)Derick Armstrong Hou
12)Kaseem Osgood SD
13)Arnaz Battle SF -- hurt too often
14)Chris Horn KC
15)Bryan Gilmore Mia

Here would be my targets:

Givens: Averages 50-some catches a year with most of them for 1st downs and a respectable 3.9 YAC (to compare with Steve Smith @7.9 and Santana @7.3 this year) He's big, he's young, he's solid and he does not fumble. A good compliment to Moss.

Bradford: Perhaps the biggest project of my picks, but I like him because he finds the end zone. He's older (98 draft by GB). The Skins struggled close to the zone this year and he would be another big target to drive over the middle. He also comes up big on 3rd downs. 9/9 on conversions with a 22+ yard average on 3rd downs. He's never really found his groove in Houston and I think he could help for a few years.

Robinson: A lot has already been said here about Koren. It seems that maybe he has his priorities straight...finally. Maybe it's the fact that he is a dad now. If he does, then I'd love to see him in burgundy and gold. A pure talent. I don't need to elaborate.

Brandon Lloyd: I think this kid really emerged this year...his 3rd in the league. He's a blazer who's fumbled only once in 3 years. SF's lack of QB talent has hurt him over the past 3 years and I think he'd be a steal in the RFA market (cost=4th rounder)

Kevin Curtis: The guy is phenomenal but buried beneath Bruce and Holt. Played with Cooley at Utah State. Early in the season when he was getting starts because of injuries, he was posting very respectable #2 receiver stats. 60 catches, 801 yards, 6 TDs with about 2/3 of the season at the #2 spot (cost= 3rd rounder)[/QUOTE]

First of all Santana Moss has his money....so If Reggie Wayne came in would, it matter who was one are two...they both would be dangerous weapons and it would open up the field, Brandon Lloyd is on 6 feet, so is Jacobs....6"2" and up is what we need a hard noser that can go across the middle, (Reggie can do that)..Troy Brown.....hell no...to old and he's a 3rd or 4th on a offense with Tom Brady...enough said, lets get what we really need....Moulds, Jurevicius, Wayne, Gaffney, Dez White, maybe Korean Robinson, I guarn dam tee, if Wayne or Jurevicius come over, Santana and Portis game is all open, all most the rest of the guys are #3 or special teams players....draft some diamonds in the ruff.....and we will be good, remember we have a old QB, so we need to surround him with Young Talent.....

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[QUOTE=wewhite3]First of all Santana Moss has his money....so If Reggie Wayne came in would, it matter who was one are two...they both would be dangerous weapons and it would open up the field, Brandon Lloyd is on 6 feet, so is Jacobs....6"2" and up is what we need a hard noser that can go across the middle, (Reggie can do that)..[/QUOTE]

Except Wayne is also 6'0" and weighs less than Jacobs or Lloyd

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if curtis is available i'd give up our 3rd (possibly Sinorice Moss) for him. He's been great as a #3 ;) I'd still try to get KR and reche too though, none would be expensive and our entire WR corp after moss is dumpster material. What round was burleson drafted? he's a good #2...

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JJ isnt leaving seattle. and we don't have any #2s outside of patten (possibly), we have a bunch of #4s and 5s.

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[QUOTE=offiss]I beleive Patton would have been high on that list if he was still with New England, what makes anyone think that any of these guy's will flurish as a #2 in our offense, our offense is like the elephant graveyard for #2 WR's this is where they come to never be heard from again, whether it's Brunell or the offensive scheme take your pick, but spending big money on a high profile WR, to have him run sprints in practice, and play an apparent decoy in the games is a waste of money.

I wont argue the fact that maybe Patten is best as a #3 reciever, but we have had plenty of #2's and Brunell hasen't been able to hook up with any of them.

I wonder how T. Jacobs would be doing if he played in New England, he actually reminds me of David Givens a bit, without the QB of coarse.[/QUOTE]


Well there are many reasons that any of these guys could do well!! :coach: First off the 2# WR isn't a elephant grave yard in Gibbs O. It was this year because we had no one to play it! In past Gibbs O there have been great #2 like Charlie Brown,Clark and Sanders. But you have to have players to take that spot and we had nothing!!! The fact is Jacobs is not that good and a mistake pick!!!! :smashfrea He comes out of a program that made him look better then he is. But you never know about WR's sometimes they take awhile to get it! As for Patton that also was a reach! :frusty: If the right players are picked up you will see that the Gibbs O will be a good one! :headbange

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]What do you mean plenty of #2's? Last year Rod Gardner was the no. 2. The Panthers couldn't get rid of him fast enough this year. This year it was David Patten, who got hurt midway through the season but was still on pace for close to 50 receptions (his average).

Is Brunell responsible for TJ getting "hurt" all the time?[/QUOTE]


Please, 50 catches? It was like he was none existant in our offense, all we heard is what's wrong with Patton? Now all of a sudden he's a big time almost 50 rec reciever? Almost? Theres a big deal. How bout factoring yards per catch and TD's why don't we. I really hope your not trying to compare his production with the Pats to what he did the first half of the season here?

The very fact that this thread was started should tell you what people's real feeling on Patton is, and if he was on pace or even close to duplicating for us before he was hurt, what he did for the Pats, we wouldn't have the entire board looking for a #2 reciever.

Kind of ironic how much Pattons talents diminished from a super bowl championship, to basically an after thought 9 months later, how, and why could that be?

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[QUOTE=RedskinPete]Well there are many reasons that any of these guys could do well!! :coach: First off the 2# WR isn't a elephant grave yard in Gibbs O. It was this year because we had no one to play it! In past Gibbs O there have been great #2 like Charlie Brown,Clark and Sanders. But you have to have players to take that spot and we had nothing!!! The fact is Jacobs is not that good and a mistake pick!!!! :smashfrea He comes out of a program that made him look better then he is. But you never know about WR's sometimes they take awhile to get it! As for Patton that also was a reach! :frusty: If the right players are picked up you will see that the Gibbs O will be a good one! :headbange[/QUOTE]


We can't really judge what Gibbs did in the past, to the current NFL, as for Patton being a reach, how so?

Better yet why did we sign him? What was the reasoning, as well as Pattons credentials for us to go out and give him a nice contract?

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[QUOTE=offiss]Please, 50 catches? It was like he was none existant in our offense, all we heard is what's wrong with Patton? Now all of a sudden he's a big time almost 50 rec reciever? Almost? Theres a big deal. How bout factoring yards per catch and TD's why don't we. I really hope your not trying to compare his production with the Pats to what he did the first half of the season here?

The very fact that this thread was started should tell you what people's real feeling on Patton is, and if he was on pace or even close to duplicating for us before he was hurt, what he did for the Pats, we wouldn't have the entire board looking for a #2 reciever.

Kind of ironic how much Pattons talents diminished from a super bowl championship, to basically an after thought 9 months later, how, and why could that be?[/QUOTE]

He was on pace for 44. Exactly the amount of receptions he had last year as a Patriot. As I said in another thread (or maybe even this one), the concern was that the yards per catch had gone down. But maybe you, and others, should consider that he was hurt long before he went on IR, or his role here is that of a move-the-chains, possession receiver. Not a speedster who will fly down the sidelines.

I had high expectations for Patten and was disappointed with the season he had overall. But I think it's way too naive and early to say he is a total bust and it's mainly attributable to the fact he's no longer a Patriot

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]He was on pace for 44. Exactly the amount of receptions he had last year as a Patriot. As I said in another thread (or maybe even this one), the concern was that the yards per catch had gone down. But maybe you, and others, should consider that he was hurt long before he went on IR, or his role here is that of a move-the-chains, possession receiver. Not a speedster who will fly down the sidelines.

I had high expectations for Patten and was disappointed with the season he had overall. But I think it's way too naive and early to say he is a total bust and it's mainly attributable to the fact he's no longer a Patriot[/QUOTE]


Perhaps he was relagated to a possesion type reciever because Brunell couldn't reach him downfield?

Hurt? OK, it seems everytime a Skin fails he's hurt, Brunell doesn't suck he was hurt. Everytime somebody stinks up the joint and he's a hand picked big contract player he's hurt. I am tired of the excuses, especially when the player themselves say they are not hurt, ALA Brunell, and Lavar.

Personally I don't believe Patton is a bust, he's proven, the fact that Brunell couldn't get him involved is not his fault, Brady never had that problem.

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[QUOTE=offiss]Perhaps he was relagated to a possesion type reciever because Brunell couldn't reach him downfield?

Hurt? OK, it seems everytime a Skin fails he's hurt, Brunell doesn't suck he was hurt. Everytime somebody stinks up the joint and he's a hand picked big contract player he's hurt. I am tired of the excuses, especially when the player themselves say they are not hurt, ALA Brunell, and Lavar.

Personally I don't believe Patton is a bust, he's proven, the fact that Brunell couldn't get him involved is not his fault, Brady never had that problem.[/QUOTE]

Ohhhhhh, I DO see the wisdom of the injury thing. Soooo, Ramseys been hurt ehhh??????

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[QUOTE=Hog1]Ohhhhhh, I DO see the wisdom of the injury thing. Soooo, Ramseys been hurt ehhh??????[/QUOTE]


:confused: :rolleyes:

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:yeahright [QUOTE=offiss]I beleive Patton would have been high on that list if he was still with New England, what makes anyone think that any of these guy's will flurish as a #2 in our offense, our offense is like the elephant graveyard for #2 WR's this is where they come to never be heard from again, whether it's Brunell or the offensive scheme take your pick, but spending big money on a high profile WR, to have him run sprints in practice, and play an apparent decoy in the games is a waste of money.

I wont argue the fact that maybe Patten is best as a #3 reciever, but we have had plenty of #2's and Brunell hasen't been able to hook up with any of them.

I wonder how T. Jacobs would be doing if he played in New England, he actually reminds me of David Givens a bit, without the QB of coarse.[/QUOTE]
I'm glad you put some thought into this before you just starting bashing the QB that got you to the playoffs for the first time since '99 and a scheme that has had some of the great 1-2 punches in the league... Charley Brown, Art Monk...Gary Clark, Art Monk... Nice Job! :yeahright

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offiss likes the skins, he just hates everyone on their roster ;)

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[QUOTE=That Guy]offiss likes the skins, he just hates everyone on their roster ;)[/QUOTE]

Prophetic wisdom indeed!

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Quit bashing Brunnel and lets get back to the subject -- #2 receiver. Whoever the quarterback is next year will need some better options. Looking at your list, the name that jumps out to me is Brandon Lloyd. San Francisco would be a fool not to resign him. This guy is on the verge of a major breakout and was held back by Frisco's quarterback carosel.
David Givens - Patriot receivers are over-rated
Reggie Wayne - nice pickup, too expensive
Josh Reed - this would be a great acquisition
Randy Hymes - please, a Ravens receiver -- NO
Antonio Bryant - another bum
Antwaan Randle El - good pick, would also help return game
Eric Moulds - once was great, now too old
Joe Jurevicius - ok
Peter Warrick - a major bust, him and Taylor Jacobs could be roomates
Jabar Gaffney - this is the big receiver the Skins need. I like him.
Rod Gardner - been there, done that -- didn't he detonate some bridges
Corey Bradford - not bad
Kevin Johnson - yuck!
Peerless Price - Peerless is worthless
Dez White - another big athletic receiver I would like to see in a Skins uniform
Koren Robinson - drops too many passes
Quincy Morgan - invisible man
Az-Zhair Hakim - had his best years with the Rams, fumble prone and drops passes
Tim Carter - don't know much about him
David Boston - injuries have slowed him down

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offiss.

Has it even crossed your mind that our offense changed dramatically when Patten went down? Was it not as clear to you as it was to many others that when Patten was out Moss clearly had a more difficult time getting open and was overwhelmed with double teams? Do you think it simply escaped everyone at Redskins Park that our WR2s weren't getting balls and they simply ignored it to the complete detriment to the passing game? What we had after Patten went down was:
Jacobs-basically he has proven to be worthless. You can blame Brunell all you want but a QB will look a guys way when he knows that guy will be open. TJ didn't get open. That was of course when he wasn't on the sideline sick. Plus how do you know Brunell didn't look at him and decide he wasn't open? You can't just throw him a ball unless he is open.
Thrash-Probably has a lost a step and therefore isn't suited as much to be a 2 as maybe a 3 or even a 4. A valuable special teamer he also was probably somewhat distracted playing almost 2/3 of the game.
Nobodies-A bunch of barely NFL caliber WRs who are best as special teamers with spot work on offense.

Look I don't understand why you defend Jacobs. He has had chances here and has NEVER done anything. Under this regime and before. The coaches point out that he doesn't do well in games. They actually POINT IT OUT. He isn't a good WR.

So I think TAFKAS is right. We need to look at gamers like JJ. I also think the best option is Randle El. He is exactly the type of guy we need. He can be a solid slot guy and he brings some dimension to the offense with his passing skills and overall athletic ability.

You can bang on Brunell all you want(I have also lately) but I do think the lack of a consistent WR2 and WR3 was not his fault. These guys have to know how to get open and do the little things to be good WRs.

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[QUOTE=offiss]Perhaps he was relagated to a possesion type reciever because Brunell couldn't reach him downfield?
[/QUOTE]

Yet he had no problem getting the ball to Santana Moss down the field..yeah that makes alot of sense! :yeahright

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Is it me or does Randle El stick out like a sore thumb on the list? He isn't the biggest name but he definitely has the biggest upside for the money. A good WR who has suceeded in an offense similar to ours. He has speed, athleticism and looks to be one fo those guys who just gets the job done. I would be stunned if he isn't on the top of the Skins wish list. He seems like he fits perfectly into what Gibbs likes to do. Does anyone know if he blocks any good?

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This year's production for Randell-El:

Year Team G Rec Yds Y/G Avg Lng YAC 1stD TD
2005-06 Pittsburgh 16 35 558 34.9 15.9 63 5.7 23 1

His production started to tail off although he's never had more than 47 catches (his first year). As much as he's been talked about, I expected to see higher output. And this was supposed to be his year having been moved to the number 2 spot with Burress going to the NYG. He does have good return numbers, but that would be better suited for a #3 or #4 receiver. If he is not too expensive and Patten comes back strong, he might be worth it, but not as a number 2.

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[QUOTE=Sociofan]This year's production for Randell-El:

Year Team G Rec Yds Y/G Avg Lng YAC 1stD TD
2005-06 Pittsburgh 16 35 558 34.9 15.9 63 5.7 23 1

His production started to tail off although he's never had more than 47 catches (his first year). As much as he's been talked about, I expected to see higher output. And this was supposed to be his year having been moved to the number 2 spot with Burress going to the NYG. He does have good return numbers, but that would be better suited for a #3 or #4 receiver. If he is not too expensive and Patten comes back strong, he might be worth it, but not as a number 2.[/QUOTE]
What are you looking for out of a WR2 or WR3? I am not looking for a guy to catch 70 balls. Give me who gets the job done. Notice 23 or his 35 catches were for 1st downs. That is pretty good. Pittsburg is much like us. They pound the ball. There WR2 isn't going to get a bunch of balls unless he is a WR1 at the WR2 spot like Burress was. I think a core of Moss/Patten/Randle EL is significantly better than what we has this year. It even allows us an injury and we still have two legitimate athletes at the spot.

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This si Scounting Inc's. notes on Randle El.
[quote]
Not a true speed receiver, but he has exceptional foot quickness with and without the ball in his hands. He shows excellent quickness to beat press coverage in the slot. He is excellent working the middle of the field from the slot. Can avoid LB's in line and find the voids across the middle. Solid route runner that show good quickness getting out of his routes. He is a playmaker with the ball in his hands. Have to get him the ball quickly and he can make a play. Will weave, dart and jump cut to avoid. He is a slippery receiver that is extremely tough to bring down in the open field. Small receiver, but he shows the toughness to catch in traffic. Gives good blocking effort, but he lacks size and can get over-powered at times. [/quote]

Sounds like a good WR2/3 for us. Won't demand the highest prfoile or money and can do some things with the ball. he does have some issues but so will any guy we are talking about as a WR2/3.

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Jeez, nobody on this list really jumps out at me as a must have kinda guy. Gibbs and co. have some homework to do.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]if curtis is available i'd give up our 3rd (possibly Sinorice Moss) for him. He's been great as a #3 ;) I'd still try to get KR and reche too though, none would be expensive and our entire WR corp after moss is dumpster material. What round was burleson drafted? he's a good #2...[/QUOTE]

But can't the team make a high enough tender that signing that player would require a #1 pick? Remember, Coles was a third-rounder, but we had to give up the #13 overall pick for him. I believe that is how RFA works, there are several levels of tender...at one level you have to give up a pick in the round that player was chosen, but at the next level it turns into a first rounder. I suspect both of those players will get high tenders (and the Skins obviously do not have a first round pick).

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lloyd will probably be tendered, might get 1st round tender

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I don't know if he is our guy, but Randall El is a "party" on a trick play. You know Joe has to like that

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[QUOTE=hail_2_da_skins]Quit bashing Brunnel and lets get back to the subject -- #2 receiver. Whoever the quarterback is next year will need some better options. Looking at your list, the name that jumps out to me is Brandon Lloyd. San Francisco would be a fool not to resign him. This guy is on the verge of a major breakout and was held back by Frisco's quarterback carosel.
David Givens - Patriot receivers are over-rated
Reggie Wayne - nice pickup, too expensive
Josh Reed - this would be a great acquisition
Randy Hymes - please, a Ravens receiver -- NO
Antonio Bryant - another bum
Antwaan Randle El - good pick, would also help return game
Eric Moulds - once was great, now too old
Joe Jurevicius - ok
Peter Warrick - a major bust, him and Taylor Jacobs could be roomates
Jabar Gaffney - this is the big receiver the Skins need. I like him.
Rod Gardner - been there, done that -- didn't he detonate some bridges
Corey Bradford - not bad
Kevin Johnson - yuck!
Peerless Price - Peerless is worthless
Dez White - another big athletic receiver I would like to see in a Skins uniform
Koren Robinson - drops too many passes
Quincy Morgan - invisible man
Az-Zhair Hakim - had his best years with the Rams, fumble prone and drops passes
Tim Carter - don't know much about him
David Boston - injuries have slowed him down[/QUOTE]

We need big and move the chains kind of guy here.

UFA’s

1)David Givens NE/ Solid #2
2)Reggie Wayne Ind/ to much money and already have moss
3)Josh Reed Buf/ never really fit in buffalo, may not work here
4)Randy Hymes Bal/ NO bal wr?? look at his qb, should be a nice pickup
5)Antonio Bryant Cle/ threw a towell in parcells face
6)Antwaan Randle El Pit/ Nice #3 wr but to much money for #3
7)Eric Moulds Buf/ Solid pick up with leadership to help everyone
8)Joe Jurevicius Sea/ Solid pick up with leadership and 6'5" frame
9)Peter Warrick Sea/ bust
10)Jabar Gaffney Hou/ may be ok, but not worth the risk
11)Rod Gardner Car/ LOL
12)Corey Bradford Hou/big body with some speed, this one up in the air
13)Kevin Johnson Det/ NO
14)Peerless Price Dal/ NO
15)Dez White Atl/ Big and athletic, another toss up based on no productivity
16)Koren Robinson Min/ NO
17)Quincy Morgan Pit/ NO
18)Az-Zhair Hakim /NO
19)Tim Carter NYG/ Very fast and avg height, not really proven enough
20)David Boston Mia/ LOL
21)Ike Hillard TB/ old florida WR,,, NO
22)Troy Brown NE/ Old and short with aging speed, no
23)Tim Dwight NE/ old and short with speed coming to an end soon
24)Jerome Pathon Atl/ typical #3 wr, no
25)Charles Lee Ari/ playing behind Fitz and Boldin is hard, toss up
26)Marc Boerighter KC/ seemed like he was worth value, look at stats, NO
27)Reggie Swinton Ari/ typical return guy, i think we had him on Try out team b4
28)Troy Walters Ind/ NO, return guy
29)Patrick Johnson Bal/ wont work out again, retire dude

RFA’s

1)Brandon Lloyd SF/ streaky and appears to be really stupid, RFA=1st RD
2)Patrick Crayton Dal/NO
3)Nate Burleson Min/NO, 6 footer
4)Eddie Drummond Det/ KR no
5)Kevin Walter Cin/ seen him against Pit, looked good, worth a try
6)Shaun McDonald Stl/ dont really need, short and speedy
7)Willie Ponder NYG/ appears to be great on SP's
8)Kevin Curtis Stl/ same with his buddy two names up
9)Kelley Washington Cin/ young and not proven, attitude issues trail as well
10)David Tyree NYG/ havent heard of
11)Derick Armstrong Hou/ havent heard of
12)Kaseem Osgood SD/ ummmm NO?, yeah no
13)Arnaz Battle SF/ could be what we are looking for, 6'2' with good hands
14)Chris Horn KC/ no
15)Bryan Gilmore Mia/ no

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I think David Patten and Patrick Ramsey played well together in the preseason; Ramsey threw about 5-6 20 yard deep outs to patten in those games, and they looked like they had chemistry. At that time, from waht i saw in the preseason, I thought Patten would be Ramsey's favorite target, and while we would get big chunks of yardages, there would be turnovers too. Hopefully Patten plays 100% next year, and we have a quaterback playing next year who is willing to spread the ball around and is accurate on those 15-20 yard outs (minus the turnovers). I liked what i saw out of Brunell the first half off the season, but he seemed unable to spread the ball around toward the end of the season, and played mediocre football after the the first Bucs game.

I like Randy Hymes since he is a big, strong target.
I like Kevin Curtis, since he is a speedy big play threat.
I hope we can draft Sinorice Moss in the later rounds because it would be like having Santana Moss and Steve Smith on the same team, and then find a big tall target like Randy Hymes or a big TE who can get downfield via free agency.

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[QUOTE=offiss]I beleive Patton would have been high on that list if he was still with New England, what makes anyone think that any of these guy's will flurish as a #2 in our offense, our offense is like the elephant graveyard for #2 WR's this is where they come to never be heard from again, whether it's Brunell or the offensive scheme take your pick, but spending big money on a high profile WR, to have him run sprints in practice, and play an apparent decoy in the games is a waste of money.

I wont argue the fact that maybe Patten is best as a #3 reciever, but we have had plenty of #2's and Brunell hasen't been able to hook up with any of them.

I wonder how T. Jacobs would be doing if he played in New England, he actually reminds me of David Givens a bit, without the QB of coarse.[/QUOTE]Jacobs would have three catches for 13 yards and only played 2 games due to injuries an illness.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan1982]I think David Patten and Patrick Ramsey played well together in the preseason; Ramsey threw about 5-6 20 yard deep outs to patten in those games, and they looked like they had chemistry. At that time, from waht i saw in the preseason, I thought Patten would be Ramsey's favorite target, and while we would get big chunks of yardages, there would be turnovers too. Hopefully Patten plays 100% next year, and we have a quaterback playing next year who is willing to spread the ball around and is accurate on those 15-20 yard outs (minus the turnovers). I liked what i saw out of Brunell the first half off the season, but he seemed unable to spread the ball around toward the end of the season, and played mediocre football after the the first Bucs game.

I like Randy Hymes since he is a big, strong target.
I like Kevin Curtis, since he is a speedy big play threat.
I hope we can draft Sinorice Moss in the later rounds because it would be like having Santana Moss and Steve Smith on the same team, and then find a big tall target like Randy Hymes or a big TE who can get downfield via free agency.[/QUOTE]

Good point about Patten playing well in the preseason, it might make sense that Brunell and Patten just never quite got on the same page because of how Moss just exploded. I think with how Moss was playing so well, the gameplan naturally tilted in his direction and Brunell and Moss quickly developed a chemistry together. By the time teams started taking Moss away and Patten would have had the chance to step up, he went out with the injury.

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If we could get him I think Jerevicious is a great pick up he has good size and great hands. He does not drop balls. I mean he upgraded Seattle alot. Last few years all their recievers dropped balls was their biggest offensive flaw. But once he cracked line up you could see it change now you rarly hear of them dropping passes he is type who affects more than on field. He affects locker room and work ethic. As for Jacobs I never liked him. He was a Spurrier guy just like Shane Matthews ANd Danny Worthless Weureful. I mean very few of guys he brought in are still here. Beets is good, and Ramsey well everyone has opinions on him I like him but he has never really played under good system long enough to tell for sure.

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Kevin Curtis from St. Louis could be really good. Jurevicius is a big possession type guy, something our offense could use. Troy Walters intrigues me. He would be a valuable return specialist, taking pressure off of Thrash and Moss on punt returns and allowing us to release Antonio Brown (who is fumble prone).

If we don't get Curtis, I like the idea of Jurevicius as the #2 with Patten as the #3 guy. On 3rd and long, Patten and Moss could both stretch the field with Jurevicius working the short to intermediate routes. I also like the idea of Walters as the return man; we could probably get him cheap.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]offiss.

Has it even crossed your mind that our offense changed dramatically when Patten went down? Was it not as clear to you as it was to many others that when Patten was out Moss clearly had a more difficult time getting open and was overwhelmed with double teams? Do you think it simply escaped everyone at Redskins Park that our WR2s weren't getting balls and they simply ignored it to the complete detriment to the passing game? What we had after Patten went down was:
Jacobs-basically he has proven to be worthless. You can blame Brunell all you want but a QB will look a guys way when he knows that guy will be open. TJ didn't get open. That was of course when he wasn't on the sideline sick. Plus how do you know Brunell didn't look at him and decide he wasn't open? You can't just throw him a ball unless he is open.
Thrash-Probably has a lost a step and therefore isn't suited as much to be a 2 as maybe a 3 or even a 4. A valuable special teamer he also was probably somewhat distracted playing almost 2/3 of the game.
Nobodies-A bunch of barely NFL caliber WRs who are best as special teamers with spot work on offense.

Look I don't understand why you defend Jacobs. He has had chances here and has NEVER done anything. Under this regime and before. The coaches point out that he doesn't do well in games. They actually POINT IT OUT. He isn't a good WR.

So I think TAFKAS is right. We need to look at gamers like JJ. I also think the best option is Randle El. He is exactly the type of guy we need. He can be a solid slot guy and he brings some dimension to the offense with his passing skills and overall athletic ability.

You can bang on Brunell all you want(I have also lately) but I do think the lack of a consistent WR2 and WR3 was not his fault. These guys have to know how to get open and do the little things to be good WRs.[/QUOTE]

It did, our offense was at it's best when we hit the Tampa, Cowboy's and Giants, and there was no Patton in any one of those games.

The problem with your statement about TJ is this other posters who attend the games have said the guy does get open but Brunell doesn't consider looking his way.

All of a sudden the Patton injury was a big blow to the offense? Makes me laugh as if he was doing anything before the injury, especially considering he had one of the best WR's in the NFL opposite him, normal rational would say that Patton should have been feasting on defenses who are out to shut down Moss, not the other way around.

Moss had a hard time getting the ball after Patton went down? No your right it didn't cross my mind because that didn't really happen.

Jacobs is worthless? Well so was Patton, I guess Moss didn't catch a ball after Patton went down? Who are you kidding? Moss continued his torid pace with jacobs in there as well, so this fantasy that some how Patton was providing this mysterious double coverage so Moss could rome the secondary with no, or single coverage is just pure fantasy.

I am curious who points out on the Skins that Jacobs is a lowsey reciever, I know Gibbs sings his praises in practice, Gibbs put's him out there doesn't he, so now are you saying Gibbs doesn't have a clue? Are you saying gibbs is starting a player who can't play? And if the guy is as bad as you say why is he even on the team, Gibbs watched him all last season, he couldn't evaluate the guy for what he is after a year? Well perhaps we should have addressed the WR position in the draft, rather than drafting a QB with no one to throw to.

Bottom line Patton was a big time reciever for the 3 time super bowl champs, comes to us and disapear's. So now JJ is a big time reciever, kind of funny he wasen't that with the Giants, and spends a lot of time on the injured list, systems and QB's can make or break a WR, and that is why I haven't closed the book on Jacobs, when a proven player like Patton disapears in our offense then that should raise a red flag that there could be another problem besides just the reciever. The fact is if Patton didn't do what he did in New England you would be trashing him to, saying the same things about him as you have about Jacobs, Patton spent more time on the bench injured this season than Jacobs?

Maybe Jacobs doesn't have what it takes who know's, but to make that assesment when all he has had is Brunell throwing him the ball just doesn't cut it for me. I seem to remember Coles wasen't overly enomoured with Brunell throwing him the ball either.

Re: Free Agent WRs
 

I like these guys in order...

1)Reggie Wayne Ind- He's the best on the list but to expensive.
2)Eric Moulds Buf- I think he has a lot of football left in him. We also have a lot of youth at the skill positions and would not be hurt by a veteran influence.
3)Joe Jurevicius Sea- Solid pick up with a big frame to move the chains.
4)Kevin Curtis- fast...good player...not sure he's a great compliment to Moss but he's real good.
5)Josh Reed Buf- potential but riskier than the others.
6)Antwaan Randle El Pit- Not sure he's consistent enough to be a #2 but brings alot of other value to the table.
7)Jabar Gaffney Hou- I like him...he would be an upgrade at #2.
8)Koren Robinson Min- Worth a shot if we can't get the others.


RFA’s

1)Brandon Lloyd SF/ I like him alot but the tender will be way to high. San fran is so completely void of talent that they would be crazy to let him go.

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[QUOTE=Dana87]:yeahright
I'm glad you put some thought into this before you just starting bashing the QB that got you to the playoffs for the first time since '99 and a scheme that has had some of the great 1-2 punches in the league... Charley Brown, Art Monk...Gary Clark, Art Monk... Nice Job! :yeahright[/QUOTE]


What do the 80's have to do with today?

Take a good look at those players they were all brought in by Bobby Beathard.

Do you understand that the NFL and defenses are far different now than they were in the 80's?

You do know Gibbs was out of football for 12 year's? It is very difficult to be what you once were with age, let alone taking 12 years off away from the game. There is no way Gibbs could be in tuned to what is going on with personel in college or the NFL that only comes with time.

And just for the record Patton would have flurished in the 80's in that system as well. So to compare the 2 just doesn't wash.

The biggest knock on Gibbs since he has come back is his inability to catch his offense up with today's defenses. But the best job Gibbs has done is hired Williams to run the defense, because without a top dominating defense we are horrible, even with an average or decent defense we get lambasted this past season, we went to the playoffs because our defense carried us there, end of story!