Campbell or Brunell in 2006?
 

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I feel funny saying this after the way I felt last year, but as long as Brunell is back to being healthy I see no reason for him not to start. We played very well early on in the season and I think he can do that for at least another season (obviously barring injury).

I would love to see Campbell get more PT, but I think he really needs to get more practice. We showed some good traits in the preseason last year but he also made some typical rookie mistakes. If he plays more this preseason (because Brunell is at the point where he probably doesn't need to take a ton of preseason snaps) then maybe he'll be ready to be our #2.

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If "ready to go" means campbel is ready to play at a level at least close to Brunell last year than I say Campbel, but if not than Brunell. I want the best QB on the field...this is a playoff team now so i don't want to squander a whole season waiting on Campbell.

The Bills made a similar decision last year by replacing Bledsoe with losman on what was a contending team and it blew up in their faces.

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This is not college. Experience counts in the pros. Brunell might not be what he was with the Jags, but his game savvy helped the Skins a lot this season -- and next. Campbell will be a lot better off, and better for the Redskins over the long haul, if he spent another season watching and learning.

Think of it this way. Patrick Ramsey is a much better qb today because he was on the bench learning from Brunell and Gibbs/Musgrave than when he was starting and running Steve Spurrier's concepts. Some other team will get a very fine qb if he leaves. Not sure I like that.

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I voted Brunell but feel Gibbs will make the best decision of which QB has the best chances of leading us to the playoffs.

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I voted Brunell, simply because we haven't seen enough of Campbell to come to a conclusion at this point.

He could possibly take over for Brunell somewhere if he starts '06 season the way he ended '05.

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I'm pretty torn on this one. Brunell had a fine year for this team and helped lead them to the playoffs. However, I don't think that he'll ever be better than he was this season, so I don't really know how next year will go. I say if Brunell looks bad in the preseason and gets knocked out of the game during the first series of next season, Campbell should get the job.

:)

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The question is: do we want to make it to the Playoffs or do we want to win the SuperBowl?
I believe that the Redskins have reached the ceiling with Brunell. They have to give Campbell every opportunity to start next season, with the understanding that there will be some growing pains.

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Brunell did fine, but what's the point of another year on the bench for Campbell if he is to be the QB of the future? If he is indeed ready to play, he needs playing time to get better.

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Brunnel does a good job of managing the game but is incapable of taking the team to the next level. I say lets start developing the young quarterback and give him a shot.

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The bottom line is that we're going to have to make the change at some point. While Brunell played admirably in 2005, he's not a long-term solution at QB.
I vote for starting Campbell at the beginning of the 2006 season.
It might be some hard medicine to take at first, but it's better to make the change early than late in the season when the playoffs might be on the line.

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I wouldn't be upset with either, but if he's ready I'd like to see Campbell playing. The difference in arm strength, somewhat similar accuracy, good mobility, and a huge frame which should help him break free of some sacks.

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I am part of the anyone but Brunell crew, whoever that may include? :biggthump

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I would LIKE to see Campbell come out of camp looking like a million bucks, and then we start him. I don't want him thrust out there without really being ready. This is just wishful thinking, but still.

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I say we go with Brunell until he either:
A. Gets injured, because we all know how he plays when he's injured
B. Just generally sucks ass, or does not perform up to expectations.
The reason is, because Campbell has only learned for a year. Give him a few extra games, or another year on the bench, if Brunell can consistently play at a high level. There is no reason to put such a young quarterback out there. In case you don't know who J.P. Losman is, he was a second year quarterback for the Bills this year. They let Bledsoe go because they thought Losman would be ready to go as well. Instead, they wound up with a horrible record and Losman didn't even start the full season because he sucked so bad. I could see the same thing happening to us if we started Campbell on opening day.

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I want the best quarterback on the field. One who gives us the best shot at not only the playoffs, but bringing home the Super Bowl Trophy. If it's Campbell, that would be awesome! If it's Brunell, just as good! I would love to see Campbell come out and lead this team like an all-pro! That would be great because we know we'd have a guy who could play for us for a number of years...obviously Brunell is in his twilight years as an NFL quarterback. However, if Brunell can lead us to glory next year, I'd be just fine with that!

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[QUOTE=celts32]If "ready to go" means campbel is ready to play at a level at least close to Brunell last year than I say Campbel, but if not than Brunell. I want the best QB on the field...this is a playoff team now so i don't want to squander a whole season waiting on Campbell.

The Bills made a similar decision last year by replacing Bledsoe with losman on what was a contending team and it blew up in their faces.[/QUOTE]

Well obviously we would want the best QB on the field. The thread is to debate whether you think Campbell will put in the offseason work and be mentally ready for the starting roll (to which I say yes).

Phenomenal point about the Bills though, I can easily see the same scenario playing out in DC, and that would really suck.

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[QUOTE=mooby]I say we go with Brunell until he either:
A. Gets injured, because we all know how he plays when he's injured
B. Just generally sucks ass, or does not perform up to expectations.
The reason is, because Campbell has only learned for a year. Give him a few extra games, or another year on the bench, if Brunell can consistently play at a high level. There is no reason to put such a young quarterback out there. In case you don't know who J.P. Losman is, he was a second year quarterback for the Bills this year. They let Bledsoe go because they thought Losman would be ready to go as well. Instead, they wound up with a horrible record and Losman didn't even start the full season because he sucked so bad. I could see the same thing happening to us if we started Campbell on opening day.[/QUOTE]

But it could be like the Bengals, who benched a solid vet in Kitna to get Palmer playing time in 2004. The teams' and Palmers' performance in 2005 showed that it was probably worth it.

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There is no way Gibbs will turn a playoff contending team over to an unproven QB. MB will be the starter next year and if he gets another WR will do just fine.

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Let's say, though, that the team contends and does the same next year under Brunell? How long do we live and die by him? I'm not even injecting my own opinion, I just want to know when people think we should turn it over to Campbell if we don't do it next year.

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[QUOTE=irish]There is no way Gibbs will turn a playoff contending team over to an unproven QB. MB will be the starter next year and if he gets another WR will do just fine.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, he didn't do that with Schroeder and Rypien ;)

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[QUOTE=onlydarksets]Yeah, he didn't do that with Schroeder and Rypien ;)[/QUOTE]

Big difference though, Campbell has 1 year under his belt, Ryp and Schroeder were stashed on the Skins roster for alot longer than that before they saw action.

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[QUOTE=onlydarksets]Yeah, he didn't do that with Schroeder and Rypien ;)[/QUOTE]


Haha....good point! Of course, he didn't have a choice with Schroeder, but Doug Williams - a veteran - won us the Super Bowl! :)

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Start with Brunell, finish with Campbell. When exactly Campbell comes in will be entirely up to Brunell's performance, but the over/under is 10 games. By then, I feel like Brunell will have enough nagging injuries to make the move to Campbell prudent.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Big difference though, Campbell has 1 year under his belt, Ryp and Schroeder were stashed on the Skins roster for alot longer than that before they saw action.[/QUOTE]

Well I think Schroeder was just a rookie when he was thrust into action, but that was out of necessity when Joey T when down.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Big difference though, Campbell has 1 year under his belt, Ryp and Schroeder were stashed on the Skins roster for alot longer than that before they saw action.[/QUOTE]

Schroeder's first year in the NFL was 1985. He was the starter in 1986.
[url]http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/SchrJa00.htm[/url]

Rypien's first year in the NFL was 1988. He was the starter for most of 1989.
[url]http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/RypiMa00.htm[/url]

Now, granted, they were 24 and 26 respectively, and I have no clue what they were doing before then. However, I don't think that makes a difference in proving the point - there is no arguing this shows that Gibbs has demonstrated he isn't afraid to start inexperienced QBs that he believes in.

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Brunell still has some gas left, they'll look to surround him with a few more weapons and with an upgraded scheme with Saunders now aboard I see Brunell starting off the year as the starter again.

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[QUOTE=onlydarksets]Schroeder's first year in the NFL was 1985. He was the starter in 1986.
[url="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/SchrJa00.htm"]http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/SchrJa00.htm[/url]

Rypien's first year in the NFL was 1988. He was the starter for most of 1989.
[url="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/RypiMa00.htm"]http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/RypiMa00.htm[/url]

Now, granted, they were 24 and 26 respectively, and I have no clue what they were doing before then. However, I don't think that makes a difference in proving the point - there is no arguing this shows that Gibbs has demonstrated he isn't afraid to start inexperienced QBs that he believes in.[/QUOTE]

I believe Rypien was stashed on IR in 1987, technically his first year in the league.

[url="http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1064"]http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1064[/url]

Same deal with Schroeder, stashed on IR in 1984. He was taken in the 3rd round in '84.

[url="http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/years/1984"]http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/years/1984[/url]

Yeah I know we're splitting hairs here, point is they both still had more experience than Campbell would if he were to play next year.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I believe Rypien was stashed on IR in 1987, technically his first year in the league.

[url="http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1064"]http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1064[/url]

Same deal with Schroeder, stashed on IR in 1984. He was taken in the 3rd round in '94.

[url="http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/years/1984"]http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/years/1984[/url]

Yeah I know we're splitting hairs here, point is they both still had more experience than Campbell would if he were to play next year.[/QUOTE]

Do you remember what the rules were on players being eligible to practice while on IR back then? I don't even know what they are now actually.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]Do you remember what the rules were on players being eligible to practice while on IR back then? I don't even know what they are now actually.[/QUOTE]

Good question. I'm really not sure.

All I know is that was a frequent trick of Gibbs back then, to stash a player on IR.

Ryp was actually hurt in '87 though, so he might have been on IR for a good reason.

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[QUOTE=ParkerGibbs]Well obviously we would want the best QB on the field. The thread is to debate whether you think Campbell will put in the offseason work and be mentally ready for the starting roll (to which I say yes).

Phenomenal point about the Bills though, I can easily see the same scenario playing out in DC, and that would really suck.[/QUOTE]

Well if Campbell is really ready then anyone who wouldn't play him is crazy. The fact is that most young QB's are not ready when they get on the field and teams squander seasons hoping to get them ready. I think that knowing how Gibbs is a veteran guy he will not put Campbell on the field unless he thinks he is ready to win games. So lets all hope Gibbs can get him ready in time, but if not another year with Brunell would not necessarily be a bad thing.

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i think we all wish that campbell would be ready to start by this year, but i dont see that happening, so i voted for brunell

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Matty - what did you mean by "Assuming Campbell is ready to go, who would you like to see starting opening day '06?" If you mean he's learned the system, then it seems like a no-brainer that Campbell starts. However, if you just mean he is physically able to play, well, then it's also a no-brainer (for Brunell).

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Brunnel will be the starter until 4 or 5. One good hit and we get to see our future. Im sure Portis is happy to see saunders in DC.

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Campbell might as well get started next season brunell can serve as a mentor to the youngster and besides brunell can always come in if things aren't up to par!

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I expect to compete for a Super Bowl next year so unless Campbell is a Marino/Brady clone, (wouldn't that be the shiznit!) you have to go with Brunell.

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preseason competition, best man wins... if brunell is hurt he gets benched though. i can't take many more 41 yard passing days.

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The Future is Now......Campbell

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I will trust this coaching staff to make that desicion. There is no question that no other staff can boast the credentials that we possess now.

I think Brunnel will be the guy for one more year.

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Despite the fact Gibbs told Campbell to take off the cap, it' time to go to work I'm not sure what he means by that. I agree it's not likely he will turn a playoff team over to a QB with so little experience, espically if their ambition is to take the next step in 06. We could expect too many growing pains with Campbell at the helm, so it's a matter of whether we want to sacrifice a season or more grooming a young QB or go with Brunell for all the marbels. It's a dilema that I'm glad the coach has to deal with.
Plus, how much is a new coordinator going to change or tarnish what Jason comprehended this year?