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12thMan 01-19-2006 03:17 PM

Did Joe Theisman ever Play with the Miami Dolphins?
 
Can any of you please help me with this. I was sure he had a short stint with Miami as a punt returner.

MTK 01-19-2006 03:18 PM

Re: Did Joe Theisman ever Play with the Miami Dolphins?
 
He was with Washington his entire career

onlydarksets 01-19-2006 03:20 PM

Re: Did Joe Theisman ever Play with the Miami Dolphins?
 
When in doubt, pro-football-reference.com
[url]http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/TheiJo00.htm[/url]

scowan 01-19-2006 03:22 PM

Re: Did Joe Theisman ever Play with the Miami Dolphins?
 
I think he played in Canada for a couple of years right out of Notre Dame and then came to the Skins

12thMan 01-19-2006 03:23 PM

Re: Did Joe Theisman ever Play with the Miami Dolphins?
 
I know, I know....I must be losing it! Too many Al Saunders threads!!!:)

Well, maybe he started out with the Skins as a punt returner.

Where in the hell did I get the Miami thing from?

SmootSmack 01-19-2006 03:26 PM

Re: Did Joe Theisman ever Play with the Miami Dolphins?
 
Theismann, who attended Notre Dame and was the runner-up for the Heisman Trophy his senior year, was originally selected by the Miami Dolphins in the fourth round of the 1971 NFL Draft. But he bypassed the sun of South Florida for the snowy winters of Canada where he played for the Canadian Football League's Toronto Argonauts. The Redskins obtained his rights from Miami in 1974 and that season, he began a streak of 163 consecutive games played for Washington.

[url]http://www.nfl.com/news/story/6886123[/url]

12thMan 01-19-2006 03:27 PM

Re: Did Joe Theisman ever Play with the Miami Dolphins?
 
[QUOTE=TAFKAS]Theismann, who attended Notre Dame and was the runner-up for the Heisman Trophy his senior year, was originally selected by the Miami Dolphins in the fourth round of the 1971 NFL Draft. But he bypassed the sun of South Florida for the snowy winters of Canada where he played for the Canadian Football League's Toronto Argonauts. The Redskins obtained his rights from Miami in 1974 and that season, he began a streak of 163 consecutive games played for Washington.

[url="http://www.nfl.com/news/story/6886123"]http://www.nfl.com/news/story/6886123[/url][/QUOTE]

You are the mother f****n man!!

Thanks!! I knew he had some connection to Miami...and I think he did at one time return punts for the Redskins.

Schneed10 01-19-2006 03:30 PM

Re: Did Joe Theisman ever Play with the Miami Dolphins?
 
Returning punts?? Theismann?????

I was surprised to learn that he was a Dolphin once upon a time, so I'm not going to act like I know it's impossible that he was returning punts. But just let me reiterate the first part of my post:

Returning punts?? Theismann?????

12thMan 01-19-2006 03:32 PM

Re: Did Joe Theisman ever Play with the Miami Dolphins?
 
[QUOTE=Schneed10]Returning punts?? Theismann?????

I was surprised to learn that he was a Dolphin once upon a time, so I'm not going to act like I know it's impossible that he was returning punts. But just let me reiterate the first part of my post:

Returning punts?? Theismann?????[/QUOTE]

Absolutely!

JoeRedskin 01-19-2006 03:33 PM

Re: Did Joe Theisman ever Play with the Miami Dolphins?
 
Yeah, I think that he did returned punts his first couple of years. He was here at the end of the Sonny/Billy era and was doing anything he could to get on the field.

I remember reading once that the only thing sonny and billy agreed on was that they both hated Joe. lol.

firstdown 01-19-2006 03:35 PM

Re: Did Joe Theisman ever Play with the Miami Dolphins?
 
[QUOTE=Schneed10]Returning punts?? Theismann?????

I was surprised to learn that he was a Dolphin once upon a time, so I'm not going to act like I know it's impossible that he was returning punts. But just let me reiterate the first part of my post:

Returning punts?? Theismann?????[/QUOTE]Back when he was returning punts it was not based on speed but who was tough enough to take that kind of pounding. Remember those where the days that after you were tackled everybody jumped the pile for one reson or another.

SmootSmack 01-19-2006 03:36 PM

Re: Did Joe Theisman ever Play with the Miami Dolphins?
 
[QUOTE=JoeRedskin]Yeah, I think that he did returned punts his first couple of years. He was here at the end of the Sonny/Billy era and was doing anything he could to get on the field.

I remember reading once that the only thing sonny and billy agreed on was that they both hated Joe. lol.[/QUOTE]

In his 12-year NFL career, there wasn't much that Theismann, a native of New Brunswick, New Jersey, didn't deal with in some capacity. "I was hated as a quarterback and I was the odd-man out in a three-man quarterback rotation with Billy Kilmer and Sonny Jurgensen. They forged a friendship from their mutual dislike for me," he recalled. "It's true. I was not a favorite of the players or the fans because these guys were worshipped, and rightfully so, in the Washington area."

Theismann can also relate to starting at the bottom of the roster and working your way up, something many young players that star in college have to deal with on the pro level. "I started as a punt returner in the National Football League and was a third-string quarterback," Theismann remembered.

[url]http://www.nfl.com/news/story/6886123[/url]

Punt Ret. Kick Ret.
PR Yds Avg TD KR Yds Avg TD
15 157 10.5 0
2 5 2.5 0
17 162 9.5 0 0 0 0.0 0

[url]http://www.jt-sw.com/football/pro/players.nsf/ID/05510047[/url]

davy 01-19-2006 03:38 PM

Re: Did Joe Theisman ever Play with the Miami Dolphins?
 
I know one or two members of this board who would love to see Mark Brunell returning punts.

12thMan 01-19-2006 03:38 PM

Re: Did Joe Theisman ever Play with the Miami Dolphins?
 
[QUOTE=TAFKAS]In his 12-year NFL career, there wasn't much that Theismann, a native of New Brunswick, New Jersey, didn't deal with in some capacity. "I was hated as a quarterback and I was the odd-man out in a three-man quarterback rotation with Billy Kilmer and Sonny Jurgensen. They forged a friendship from their mutual dislike for me," he recalled. "It's true. I was not a favorite of the players or the fans because these guys were worshipped, and rightfully so, in the Washington area."

Theismann can also relate to starting at the bottom of the roster and working your way up, something many young players that star in college have to deal with on the pro level. "I started as a punt returner in the National Football League and was a third-string quarterback," Theismann remembered.

[url="http://www.nfl.com/news/story/6886123"]http://www.nfl.com/news/story/6886123[/url][/QUOTE]

You're a beast man!

Twilbert07 01-19-2006 03:39 PM

Re: Did Joe Theisman ever Play with the Miami Dolphins?
 
And though he was controversial, Joe T. did what Sonny, Billy K. - or anyone else - could not: Theismann brought a Super Bowl trophy back to D.C.!

onlydarksets 01-19-2006 03:46 PM

Re: Did Joe Theisman ever Play with the Miami Dolphins?
 
[QUOTE=TAFKAS]In his 12-year NFL career, there wasn't much that Theismann, a native of New Brunswick, New Jersey, didn't deal with in some capacity. "I was hated as a quarterback and I was the odd-man out in a three-man quarterback rotation with Billy Kilmer and Sonny Jurgensen. They forged a friendship from their mutual dislike for me," he recalled. "It's true. I was not a favorite of the players or the fans because these guys were worshipped, and rightfully so, in the Washington area."

Theismann can also relate to starting at the bottom of the roster and working your way up, something many young players that star in college have to deal with on the pro level. "I started as a punt returner in the National Football League and was a third-string quarterback," Theismann remembered.

[url]http://www.nfl.com/news/story/6886123[/url]

Punt Ret. Kick Ret.
PR Yds Avg TD KR Yds Avg TD
15 157 10.5 0
2 5 2.5 0
17 162 9.5 0 0 0 0.0 0

[url]http://www.jt-sw.com/football/pro/players.nsf/ID/05510047[/url][/QUOTE]

Nice pull! You are, hands down, the research king!

CrazyCanuck 01-19-2006 03:58 PM

Re: Did Joe Theisman ever Play with the Miami Dolphins?
 
"Although he was runner-up for the Heisman trophy, awarded to the best college player in the U.S., Joe was considered too small for the NFL. The Argos, however, feel they have landed one of the great QBs of the future."

1971 Toronto Argonauts Media Guide

onlydarksets 01-19-2006 04:00 PM

Re: Did Joe Theisman ever Play with the Miami Dolphins?
 
[QUOTE=CrazyCanuck]"Although he was runner-up for the Heisman trophy, awarded to the best college player in the U.S., Joe was considered too small for the NFL. The Argos, however, feel they have landed one of the great QBs of the future."

1971 Toronto Argonauts Media Guide[/QUOTE]

Please tell me you don't have a copy of the 1971 Toronto Argonauts Media Guide sitting around your house.

SmootSmack 01-19-2006 04:15 PM

Re: Did Joe Theisman ever Play with the Miami Dolphins?
 
Check [URL=http://cgi.ebay.com/TORONTO-ARGONAUTS-JOE-THEISMANN-SIGNED-MINI-HELMET_W0QQitemZ8751138369QQcategoryZ27276QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem]this[/URL] out

They used to have the media guide on eBay. But I guess Canuck bought it already.

12thMan 01-19-2006 04:19 PM

Re: Did Joe Theisman ever Play with the Miami Dolphins?
 
[QUOTE=TAFKAS]Check [url="http://cgi.ebay.com/TORONTO-ARGONAUTS-JOE-THEISMANN-SIGNED-MINI-HELMET_W0QQitemZ8751138369QQcategoryZ27276QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem"]this[/url] out

They used to have the media guide on eBay. But I guess Canuck bought it already.[/QUOTE]

Man, you never what people own these days.

If this guy sells the helmet he should donate a portion to TheWarpath.net!

CrashRiley 01-19-2006 05:15 PM

Re: Did Joe Theisman ever Play with the Miami Dolphins?
 
I think that J.T. was also convinced that he'd be in a bad position in Miami, behind Bob Griese and Earl Morrall.

offiss 01-19-2006 06:22 PM

Re: Did Joe Theisman ever Play with the Miami Dolphins?
 
They have him listed from New Brunswick N.J. but I do believe that is wrong, he was actually from South River N.J.which is a couple of town's over, he played high school football with the Cowboy's great WR Drew Pearson.

I remember those day's when Joe was coming on, he was defiently on the back burner, but you also knew it was just a matter of time before he was the man, Sonny was done, and Billy was running on fumes.

The last thing they wanted was a young cocky kid trying to unseat them. And we all know Joey T. didn't sign with the Skins to sit. :)

wheeler 01-20-2006 12:17 AM

Re: Did Joe Theisman ever Play with the Miami Dolphins?
 
[QUOTE=JoeRedskin]Yeah, I think that he did returned punts his first couple of years. He was here at the end of the Sonny/Billy era and was doing anything he could to get on the field.

I remember reading once that the only thing sonny and billy agreed on was that they both hated Joe. lol.[/QUOTE]theisman also kicked [size=3]1[/size] punt for [size=3]7[/size] yards..sonny and kilmer loved little joe:yeahright . theisman was a great quarterback though:point: led them to a couple great super-bowl years:woot:

70Chip 01-20-2006 01:51 AM

Re: Did Joe Theisman ever Play with the Miami Dolphins?
 
If you ever hear Sonny mention Theisman he often pronounces it "Theesman", which is the right way to say it. Joe changed it to rhyme with "Heisman". They gave it to Jim Plunkett anyway.

SmootSmack 01-20-2006 02:01 AM

Re: Did Joe Theisman ever Play with the Miami Dolphins?
 
[QUOTE=70Chip]If you ever hear Sonny mention Theisman he often pronounces it "Theesman", which is the right way to say it. Joe changed it to rhyme with "Heisman". They gave it to Jim Plunkett anyway.[/QUOTE]

Isn't it ironic that a decade later he would lose again to Plunkett in the Super Bowl?

12thMan 01-20-2006 08:08 AM

Re: Did Joe Theisman ever Play with the Miami Dolphins?
 
[QUOTE=TAFKAS]Isn't it ironic that a decade later he would lose again to Plunkett in the Super Bowl?[/QUOTE]

Horrible game, easily my worst Redskins memory growing up. I still remember Jack Squirek (sp) intercepting that pass before half time and waltzing into the end zone! :(

offiss 01-20-2006 08:38 AM

Re: Did Joe Theisman ever Play with the Miami Dolphins?
 
[QUOTE=12thMan]Horrible game, easily my worst Redskins memory growing up. I still remember Jack Squirek (sp) intercepting that pass before half time and waltzing into the end zone! :([/QUOTE]


That play is pretty funny if you listen to Theisman tell the story of what happened right before the INT.

He went to sideline during a TO, Gibbs said to run that play to J.Washington, Joe disagreed and said we should take a knee, Gibbs said it worked earlier in the year, and Joe said exactly, that is why we shouldn't run it because it's the same exact circumstance they will be looking for it, but Gibbs said run it, so Joe returns to the huddle calls the play and as he approaches the line of scrimmage he looks over at Gibbs for a last second desperation reprieve, Gibbs starts waving at him to run it, the rest is history.

12thMan 01-20-2006 08:41 AM

Re: Did Joe Theisman ever Play with the Miami Dolphins?
 
[QUOTE=offiss]That play is pretty funny if you listen to Theisman tell the story of what happened right before the INT.

He went to sideline during a TO, Gibbs said to run that play to J.Washington, Joe disagreed and said we should take a knee, Gibbs said it worked earlier in the year, and Joe said exactly, that is why we shouldn't run it because it's the same exact circumstance they will be looking for it, but Gibbs said run it, so Joe returns to the huddle calls the play and as he approaches the line of scrimmage he looks over at Gibbs for a last second desperation reprieve, Gibbs starts waving at him to run it, the rest is history.[/QUOTE]

Interesting story. Where in the hell is Jack Squirek anyway.....I know he's not playing or anything, but he basically disappeared after that game.

That would be a funny ass thread, "Where is Jack Squirek?"

offiss 01-20-2006 08:44 AM

Re: Did Joe Theisman ever Play with the Miami Dolphins?
 
[QUOTE=12thMan]Interesting story. Where in the hell is Jack Squirek anyway.....I know he's not playing or anything, but he basically disappeared after that game.

That would be a funny ass thread, "Where is Jack Squirek?"[/QUOTE]


Last we saw him he was running into the end zone right before half time against us in the SB.

SmootSmack 01-20-2006 10:52 AM

Re: Did Joe Theisman ever Play with the Miami Dolphins?
 
[QUOTE=12thMan]Interesting story. Where in the hell is Jack Squirek anyway.....I know he's not playing or anything, but he basically disappeared after that game.

That would be a funny ass thread, "Where is Jack Squirek?"[/QUOTE]


[url]http://www.sptimes.com/2004/01/25/Sports/Colorful_characters.shtml[/url]

JACK SQUIREK, Linebacker, Raiders
Super Bowl XVIII

Theismann, an ESPN broadcaster, remembers the screen pass all too well. "I didn't want to run it," he said. "Joe (Gibbs) explained that we'd played the Raiders earlier that year and that it worked against them then, and I said, "Don't you think they know that?' And he pointed at me and said, "Run it."'

At the Raiders bench, defensive coordinator Charlie Sumner remembered how the play had burned them for 67 yards 15 weeks earlier at RFK Stadium. He called for a zone defense, inserted Squirek and told him to cover receiver Joe Washington man-to-man. "I was trying to get in the game and Charlie kept grabbing me and saying, "Make sure you don't let him get by you."'

While a player, he started a business in suburban Cleveland, cleaning carpets in office buildings. When his partner left, Pro Team Carpet Cleaning eventually became the more diversified Squirek Services.

12thMan 01-20-2006 11:05 AM

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS][url="http://www.sptimes.com/2004/01/25/Sports/Colorful_characters.shtml"]http://www.sptimes.com/2004/01/25/Sports/Colorful_characters.shtml[/url]

JACK SQUIREK, Linebacker, Raiders
Super Bowl XVIII

Theismann, an ESPN broadcaster, remembers the screen pass all too well. "I didn't want to run it," he said. "Joe (Gibbs) explained that we'd played the Raiders earlier that year and that it worked against them then, and I said, "Don't you think they know that?' And he pointed at me and said, "Run it."'

At the Raiders bench, defensive coordinator Charlie Sumner remembered how the play had burned them for 67 yards 15 weeks earlier at RFK Stadium. He called for a zone defense, inserted Squirek and told him to cover receiver Joe Washington man-to-man. "I was trying to get in the game and Charlie kept grabbing me and saying, "Make sure you don't let him get by you."'

While a player, he started a business in suburban Cleveland, cleaning carpets in office buildings. When his partner left, Pro Team Carpet Cleaning eventually became the more diversified Squirek Services.[/QUOTE]


You're the man! ....Damn...Jack Squirek...who would have "thunk" it.

What's funny is that earlier that year we beat them in a shootout at RFK. Joe Washington was badasss in that game.

gibbs4life 01-20-2006 12:01 PM

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[QUOTE=12thMan]You are the mother f****n man!!

Thanks!! I knew he had some connection to Miami...and I think he did at one time return punts for the Redskins.[/QUOTE]

he was one helluva punter too.lol

one big ole yard against the bears.

12thMan 01-20-2006 12:04 PM

Re: Did Joe Theisman ever Play with the Miami Dolphins?
 
[QUOTE=gibbs4life]he was one helluva punter too.lol

one big ole yard against the bears.[/QUOTE]

Hey, where is chocowinity, NC ?

4mrusmc 01-20-2006 08:27 PM

Re: Did Joe Theisman ever Play with the Miami Dolphins?
 
Hey guys I don't know if this is one of those urban myths, but I thought that Joe T. changed his last name to Theismann so that it would rhyme with heisman (trophy)? Something for the brain trust to research.......

dmek25 01-20-2006 09:36 PM

Re: Did Joe Theisman ever Play with the Miami Dolphins?
 
he didnt change his name,just how you pronounce it

MTK 01-20-2006 09:54 PM

Re: Did Joe Theisman ever Play with the Miami Dolphins?
 
[b]Joe Theismann[/b] (born [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_9"]September 9[/url], [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1949"]1949[/url]) is a former [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_football"]American football[/url] [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarterback"]quarterback[/url] and current [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television"]television[/url] football announcer. He played football for the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Notre_Dame"]University of Notre Dame[/url] and was a runner-up in the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1970"]1970[/url] [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heisman_Trophy"]Heisman Trophy[/url] voting which went to [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Plunkett"]Jim Plunkett[/url] of [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_University"]Stanford University[/url]. Late in the season, the original pronunciation of his surname, [i]"THEEZ-man,"[/i] was altered to rhyme with "Heisman," which he has continued to use since then. Whether this was done by Theismann himself, as many have suggested, or at the behest of Notre Dame officials is unclear. During his collegiate career, the smallish Theismann (just 6'-0", 180 lb/1.83 m, 82 kg), led the Fighting Irish to a 20-3-2 record. He was inducted into the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_Football_Hall_of_Fame"]College Football Hall of Fame[/url] in [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003"]2003[/url].

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Theisman[/url]

70Chip 01-21-2006 12:39 AM

Re: Did Joe Theisman ever Play with the Miami Dolphins?
 
[QUOTE=offiss]That play is pretty funny if you listen to Theisman tell the story of what happened right before the INT.

He went to sideline during a TO, Gibbs said to run that play to J.Washington, Joe disagreed and said we should take a knee, Gibbs said it worked earlier in the year, and Joe said exactly, that is why we shouldn't run it because it's the same exact circumstance they will be looking for it, but Gibbs said run it, so Joe returns to the huddle calls the play and as he approaches the line of scrimmage he looks over at Gibbs for a last second desperation reprieve, Gibbs starts waving at him to run it, the rest is history.[/QUOTE]

I will always believe that the Raiders were stealing signals. There not smart enough to figure it out themselves. And isn't it rather like Theesman to say "I didn't want to run the play!" Just because they called the play doesn't mean that he head to lob it up right to the guy that deep in his own territory.

Luxorreb 01-21-2006 06:07 AM

Re: Did Joe Theisman ever Play with the Miami Dolphins?
 
OK 12thman...
As the official warpath ref, you LOSE this thread. Do some history lessons. Joey T play for the Dolphins??? Gimme a break man. He beat em in the Superbowl dummy!!!


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