Free Agent Wish List
 

Below is a list of Free agents I would like to see the Skins Target. I have listed the ages because I really like that we are building our team with young up & coming players.

Rank Player WR Age Rec TD Evaluation

1 [COLOR=DarkRed]Reggie Wayne[/COLOR] 27 83 5 He would be great Opposite Santana ("U"-Corp)
2 [COLOR=DarkRed]Koren Robinson[/COLOR] 25 22 1 If cheap could be a steal Also a Pro Bowl PR & KR
3 [COLOR=DarkRed]Antwaan Randle El[/COLOR] 26 35 1 Slash type of player Gibbs could do a lot with him
4 [COLOR=DarkRed]David Givens[/COLOR] 25 59 2 Good Young Poss WR
5 [COLOR=DarkRed]Keenan McCardell[/COLOR] 36 70 9 Has great Chemistry w/Brunell
6 [COLOR=DarkRed]Joe Jurevicius[/COLOR] 31 55 10 Tall Poss WR (Great hands)
7 [COLOR=DarkRed]Az-Zahir Hakim[/COLOR] 28 34 2 Can also return punts
8 [COLOR=DarkRed]Nate Burleson [/COLOR] 24 30 1 RFA Depends on cost


Rank Player DE Age TKL SACK Evaluation

R [COLOR=DarkRed]Demetric Evans[/COLOR] 27 22 3 Re-Sign
1 [COLOR=DarkRed]John Abraham[/COLOR] 28 44 10.5 Could be best of bunch
2 [COLOR=DarkRed]Kyle Vanden Bosch[/COLOR] 28 40 12.5 Seems like a JG’s guy
3 [COLOR=DarkRed]Kalimba Edwards[/COLOR] 27 25 7 Up & Coming
4 [COLOR=DarkRed]Robert Mathis [/COLOR] 25 43 11.5 RFA (Will definatly Cost Us)
5 [COLOR=DarkRed]Ryan Denney[/COLOR] 29 28 4 Played in GW’s Scheme
6 [COLOR=DarkRed]Darren Howard[/COLOR] 30 24 3.5 Can Dominate but Needs to get Attitude Adj
7 [COLOR=DarkRed]N.D. Kalu[/COLOR] 31 26 2 Still has grood speed off edge

Rank Player DT Age TKL SACK Evaluation

R [COLOR=DarkRed]Cedric Killings[/COLOR] 29 9 0 Re-Sign
1 [COLOR=DarkRed]Rocky Bernard[/COLOR] 27 42 8.5 Up & Coming
2 [COLOR=DarkRed]Larry Tripplett[/COLOR] 27 24 4 Up & Coming
3 [COLOR=DarkRed]Ryan Pickett[/COLOR] 27 47 2 Up & Coming
4 [COLOR=DarkRed]Kendrick Clancy[/COLOR] 28 30 2 Up & Coming (Giants Starter)
5 [COLOR=DarkRed]Damione Lewis[/COLOR] 28 27 1 Up & Coming
6 [COLOR=DarkRed]Ma'ake Kemoeatu[/COLOR] 27 30 1 Up & Coming

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[QUOTE=Dana87]Below is a list of Free agents I would like to see the Skins Target. I have listed the ages because I really like that we are building our team with young up & coming players.

Rank Player WR Age Rec TD Evaluation

1 [color=darkred]Reggie Wayne[/color] 27 83 5 He would be great Opposite Santana ("U"-Corp)
2 [color=darkred]Koren Robinson[/color] 25 22 1 If cheap could be a steal Also a Pro Bowl PR & KR
3 [color=darkred]Antwaan Randle El[/color] 26 35 1 Slash type of player Gibbs could do a lot with him
4 [color=darkred]David Givens[/color] 25 59 2 Good Young Poss WR
5 [color=darkred]Keenan McCardell[/color] 36 70 9 Has great Chemistry w/Brunell
6 [color=darkred]Joe Jurevicius[/color] 31 55 10 Tall Poss WR (Great hands)
7 [color=darkred]Az-Zahir Hakim[/color] 28 34 2 Can also return punts
8 [color=darkred]Nate Burleson [/color] 24 30 1 RFA Depends on cost


Rank Player DE Age TKL SACK Evaluation

R [color=darkred]Demetric Evans[/color] 27 22 3 Re-Sign
1 [color=darkred]John Abraham[/color] 28 44 10.5 Could be best of bunch
2 [color=darkred]Kyle Vanden Bosch[/color] 28 40 12.5 Seems like a JG’s guy
3 [color=darkred]Kalimba Edwards[/color] 27 25 7 Up & Coming
4 [color=darkred]Robert Mathis [/color] 25 43 11.5 RFA (Will definatly Cost Us)
5 [color=darkred]Ryan Denney[/color] 29 28 4 Played in GW’s Scheme
6 [color=darkred]Darren Howard[/color] 30 24 3.5 Can Dominate but Needs to get Attitude Adj
7 [color=darkred]N.D. Kalu[/color] 31 26 2 Still has grood speed off edge

Rank Player DT Age TKL SACK Evaluation

R [color=darkred]Cedric Killings[/color] 29 9 0 Re-Sign
1 [color=darkred]Rocky Bernard[/color] 27 42 8.5 Up & Coming
2 [color=darkred]Larry Tripplett[/color] 27 24 4 Up & Coming
3 [color=darkred]Ryan Pickett[/color] 27 47 2 Up & Coming
4 [color=darkred]Kendrick Clancy[/color] 28 30 2 Up & Coming (Giants Starter)
5 [color=darkred]Damione Lewis[/color] 28 27 1 Up & Coming
6 [color=darkred]Ma'ake Kemoeatu[/color] 27 30 1 Up & Coming

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That's a good list.

You have more time on your hands than I do today:)

I do think we'll get our guys re-signed before delving into the FA market.

I too agree with Wayne and Robinson. I think we can get Wayne for less than people think. I don't see him getting a bigger deal than Santana though.

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I like bernand cause he'd be cheap and we'd only need him as a #3 so wasting money on someone like hovan (who would be an upgrade, but an unneeded one) would be a waste. You left kampman (6.5 sacks 82 tackles) of your DE list, and i think that's a shame, cause he'll be cheaper than mathis/JA/bosch and still very productive. I personally am against JA cause of his attitude and some of his actions.

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i say abraham at end and randle el as wr/do everything.thats my vote.does it count for anything?

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[QUOTE=12thMan]That's a good list...I do think we'll get our guys re-signed before delving into the FA market.

[/QUOTE]Which of our guys are you saying we re-sign? I'd like to see some 'tough' cuts made to take this team to the next level. Just like we let Coles stupid ass go, there are a rack of guys we can upgrade! I like Vanden Bosch and and Wayne (though i'm not sure if he and Moss will like being together again) and Robinson may not be a Gibbs' guy. Demetric Evans is solid in a reserve role. Clancy and Bernard are intriguing. Any good FA DBs or punters?

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agree with kampman.
would also look at moulds if he is released
howard would be a great addition. it is health and not attitude that is the problem. plus, he has played inside the way k lang and daniels and wynn have at times, so he lends a lot of versatility.

others to consider would be andre carter, if he bulks up a little and plays like KGB or charles haley.

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I agree with you Dmek. Randel el does so much for an offense.

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also, raheem brock of indy would be another fine addition.

expect the skins to act suddenly on the first day of free agency as always..

finally, i am not enamored of abraham who is a fine player but not a gibbs type of player. he gets nicked a lot and worst of all, he goes public with his issues all the time. i would be surprised if he is the man they go after

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[QUOTE=4mrusmc]I agree with you Dmek. Randel el does so much for an offense.[/QUOTE]Uh. Yeah [sarcasm].

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edwards is a very intriguing player. he is so much like ogunleye inthat he was hurt his senior year in college and has come along slowly as a pro. he is very explosive off the edge. but he played on a poor defense so you never know what to expect.

we are likely to need some depth at safety and corner. clark should be resigned and bowen will be gone as will harris. jimoh has improved and is a great special teams player. we need another corner from somewhere, or from the draft. same with safety as stoutmire is a step slow in coverage and prioleau is all heart, but a sub and special teamer at best. i really like mickell of the eagles.. he is a RFA and is buried behind lewis and dawkins, but is very solid

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only problem with randle el is how small he is. we would be back in the situation of having all small receivers. brunell seems to have trouble finding them. it would be very nice to have a big bodied guy to get first downs and to catch the fade route in the end zone

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[QUOTE=Dana87]
5 [color=darkred]Keenan McCardell[/color] 36 70 9 Has great Chemistry w/Brunell
[/QUOTE]
he was also drafted by gibbs in the 12th round in 1991

but he's way too old

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[QUOTE=shallyshal]only problem with randle el is how small he is. we would be back in the situation of having all small receivers. brunell seems to have trouble finding them. it would be very nice to have a big bodied guy to get first downs and to catch the fade route in the end zone[/QUOTE]

I want to them add Antwan Randle-El and either Jurevicius or Antonio Bryant. I don't believe that a big bodied receiver is necessary, but I think that Jurevicius or Bryant can really help this team.

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[QUOTE=Dana87]Below is a list of Free agents I would like to see the Skins Target. I have listed the ages because I really like that we are building our team with young up & coming players........



Rank Player DT Age TKL SACK Evaluation

R [COLOR=DarkRed]Cedric Killings[/COLOR] 29 9 0 Re-Sign
1 [COLOR=DarkRed]Rocky Bernard[/COLOR] 27 42 8.5 Up & Coming
2 [COLOR=DarkRed]Larry Tripplett[/COLOR] 27 24 4 Up & Coming
3 [COLOR=DarkRed]Ryan Pickett[/COLOR] 27 47 2 Up & Coming
4 [COLOR=DarkRed]Kendrick Clancy[/COLOR] 28 30 2 Up & Coming (Giants Starter)
5 [COLOR=DarkRed]Damione Lewis[/COLOR] 28 27 1 Up & Coming
6 [COLOR=DarkRed]Ma'ake Kemoeatu[/COLOR] 27 30 1 Up & Coming

Sorry that the text is pushing together.[/QUOTE]

I am not sure why you listed DT's. I think we have other greater needs than getting another DT. Plus I like the one's we have. Even back up Killings is adequate if we resign him.

Priority by positions I would to see Redskins upgrade this offseason:

1) WR - Just a #2 guy, not expensive FA.
2) Pass rush DE - doesn't need to be a fulltime expensive DE, just a pass rush situational substitution guy.
3) SS - Ryan Clark is too small. Alstot just ran him over in TB playoff game.
4) CB - Springs and Harris are getting old.
5) OG - Replace back up Ray Brown #3 guard.

No need for an expensive big name FA for these spots. Just solid players. Keep our salary cap in a safe situation, so we dont get in any bad situation where we have cut guys down the road just to get under the cap.

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Boy, McCardell is tempting. He's a super-smart guy, disciplined and tough. Parcells singled him out for praise after the first game of the year. But, he's got to be 35 or 36 now right?

Can somebody tell me why we shouldn't go after Reggie Wayne with the full Joe Gibbs on Redskins 1 treatment? I think Moss Wayne Patten Cooley Portis puts us in the Super Bowl.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]I want to them add Antwan Randle-El and either Jurevicius or Antonio Bryant. I don't believe that a big bodied receiver is necessary, but I think that Jurevicius or Bryant can really help this team.[/QUOTE]

i think seattle will make a big effort to resign jurevicius. he was one of the prime saviors of their season. when jackson went down and warrick turned out to be a bust, he and engram carried the receiver corps. he came up big time and time again. not only was he a possession receiver, but he also made some big long gains. his pass completion over rogers on the improvised play against the skins was just another example of how he and hasselbeck were really on the same page. he will not be expensive to resign (i would guess) and seattle should make an effort to get him.

bryant is another matter. he has a world of talent but was so immature even parcells could not tolerate him. the question is what player you would get. to spent a lot of money on him is rolling the dice. the question would be whether he implodes again. i would rather the team go after someone less risky or, inthe case of koren robinson, someone who is likely not to cost as much as bryant is looking to get. on the other hand, except in the playoffs
plaxico burress came up huge for the giants. is that what someone would get from bryant? or from robinson? that is why wideouts are so risky

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[QUOTE=shallyshal]i think seattle will make a big effort to resign jurevicius. he was one of the prime saviors of their season. when jackson went down and warrick turned out to be a bust, he and engram carried the receiver corps. he came up big time and time again. not only was he a possession receiver, but he also made some big long gains. his pass completion over rogers on the improvised play against the skins was just another example of how he and hasselbeck were really on the same page. he will not be expensive to resign (i would guess) and seattle should make an effort to get him.

bryant is another matter. he has a world of talent but was so immature even parcells could not tolerate him. the question is what player you would get. to spent a lot of money on him is rolling the dice. the question would be whether he implodes again. i would rather the team go after someone less risky or, inthe case of koren robinson, someone who is likely not to cost as much as bryant is looking to get. on the other hand, except in the playoffs
plaxico burress came up huge for the giants. is that what someone would get from bryant? or from robinson? that is why wideouts are so risky[/QUOTE]
thats why were fans and gibbs is the coach/gm

i trust that he'll make the right choice

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[QUOTE=steveo395]he was also drafted by gibbs in the 12th round in 1991

but he's way too old[/QUOTE]

yup.. but he might be another henry ellard. give the team a couple of solid years... still, someone like isaac bruce, or jimmy smith might be out there and fit the same mold and give the team a bit more time.

i am not saying that is the way the team should go, only that there are alternatives out there besides breaking the bank for someone like wayne.

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[QUOTE=steveo395]thats why were fans and gibbs is the coach/gm

i trust that he'll make the right choice[/QUOTE]

i am not being unfairly critical but i do think that in retrospect the front office really misjudged the receiver corps this year-- and the offense paid for it the last portion of the season. even before he went down, patten was far from an impact player. he is no legitimate number 2. they also grossly misjudged what jacobs was capable of accomplishing. they thought thrash would be able to step up to the number 2 slot if needed. they realized they had little in mccants, but by then it was too late.

i do not think they will make the same mistake again this offseason, but there is no getting around the fact that they assembled an inadequate receiver corps this year.

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[QUOTE=shallyshal]i am not being unfairly critical but i do think that in retrospect the front office really misjudged the receiver corps this year-- and the offense paid for it the last portion of the season. even before he went down, patten was far from an impact player. he is no legitimate number 2. they also grossly misjudged what jacobs was capable of accomplishing. they thought thrash would be able to step up to the number 2 slot if needed. they realized they had little in mccants, but by then it was too late.

i do not think they will make the same mistake again this offseason, but there is no getting around the fact that they assembled an inadequate receiver corps this year.[/QUOTE]
patten was starting to get better before he got hurt, jacobs was already on the team and they had to give him a chance, and thrash was always hurt....but when u have moss and cooley, i dont see how u could say they misjudged the receiving corps

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[QUOTE=70Chip]Boy, McCardell is tempting. He's a super-smart guy, disciplined and tough. Parcells singled him out for praise after the first game of the year. But, he's got to be 35 or 36 now right?

Can somebody tell me why we shouldn't go after Reggie Wayne with the full Joe Gibbs on Redskins 1 treatment? I think Moss Wayne Patten Cooley Portis puts us in the Super Bowl.[/QUOTE]

money and cap space. his contract would be so big that we'd have to release people in the next 2-3 years due in large part to the contract he'd get (moss's contract isn't big compared to his results, so if S moss keeps pace his contract will actually be drastically undervalued). We can get someone like KR + a couple other mid tier picks for far less and have better depth and a much better cap picture without a gigantic falloff in stats (comparing 2-3 new WRs to wayne only).

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]I want to them add Antwan Randle-El and either Jurevicius or Antonio Bryant. I don't believe that a big bodied receiver is necessary, but I think that Jurevicius or Bryant can really help this team.[/QUOTE]

I have to say I to like Bryant as well but his off field things may keep him away!

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[QUOTE=shallyshal]i am not being unfairly critical but i do think that in retrospect the front office really misjudged the receiver corps this year-- and the offense paid for it the last portion of the season. even before he went down, patten was far from an impact player. he is no legitimate number 2. they also grossly misjudged what jacobs was capable of accomplishing. they thought thrash would be able to step up to the number 2 slot if needed. they realized they had little in mccants, but by then it was too late.

i do not think they will make the same mistake again this offseason, but there is no getting around the fact that they assembled an inadequate receiver corps this year.[/QUOTE]

I think if you said one of the two new WR's[Moss or Patten ] would have the season Moss had they[FO] would have taken it. To have a trade for Moss go so well....so far! Is much more then anyone could have guessed. All the talking heads said that Moss was over paid by the Redskins and the Jets got the better end of the deal. Gibbs has away of finding WR's like Clark[I believe USFL] or Sanders in the draft! What about C.Brown or the Great Monk? Gibbs see the free agent market as just another part of the draft. As for what the Redskins had coming in Gibbs knew at the end of 04 season he need to up grade. They did there best with what was out there. Remember cost is a big factor and getting Moss for Coles did cost money. Yes I think the FO did reached on Patten but I still believe is a good 3rd WR. Would you give a 3rd round pick for lets say Rams WR Kevin Curtis? There is so many ways to go its just getting it done.

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[QUOTE=Dana87]
Rank Player DT Age TKL SACK Evaluation

R [color=DarkRed]Cedric Killings[/color] 29 9 0 Re-Sign
1 [color=DarkRed]Rocky Bernard[/color] 27 42 8.5 Up & Coming
2 [color=DarkRed]Larry Tripplett[/color] 27 24 4 Up & Coming
3 [color=DarkRed]Ryan Pickett[/color] 27 47 2 Up & Coming
4 [color=DarkRed]Kendrick Clancy[/color] 28 30 2 Up & Coming (Giants Starter)
5 [color=DarkRed]Damione Lewis[/color] 28 27 1 Up & Coming
6 [color=DarkRed]Ma'ake Kemoeatu[/color] 27 30 1 Up & Coming[/QUOTE]

I think resigning Killings is a big deal because the guy did a great job pushing the interior of the line back on limited action plus his name is Killings. I mean seriously has there ever been a better name for a defensive player ever?!

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[QUOTE=steveo395]patten was starting to get better before he got hurt, jacobs was already on the team and they had to give him a chance, and thrash was always hurt....but when u have moss and cooley, i dont see how u could say they misjudged the receiving corps[/QUOTE]

well, hindsight is 20/20 and the proof is in the results... it is kind of like what happened when spurrier assembled all those florida receivers and the consensus was that they were a bunch of stiffs. that is exactly what they proved out to be.
my point is simply that sometimes the prevailing wisdom is correct. the skins had a false optimism about the receiving corps. jacobs had never shown anything before that was anything close to proof that he could be an nfl receiver. thrash was found totally wanting by the eagles who were desperate for a number 1 or 2 receiver in years past. patten was the most expendable member of a new england receiving corps that looks better because of the excellence of tom brady. whom did they have that had proven he could be a reliable #2 receiver? no one.. that is exactly how it played out.

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[QUOTE=RedskinPete]I think if you said one of the two new WR's[Moss or Patten ] would have the season Moss had they[FO] would have taken it. To have a trade for Moss go so well....so far! Is much more then anyone could have guessed. All the talking heads said that Moss was over paid by the Redskins and the Jets got the better end of the deal. Gibbs has away of finding WR's like Clark[I believe USFL] or Sanders in the draft! What about C.Brown or the Great Monk? Gibbs see the free agent market as just another part of the draft. As for what the Redskins had coming in Gibbs knew at the end of 04 season he need to up grade. They did there best with what was out there. Remember cost is a big factor and getting Moss for Coles did cost money. Yes I think the FO did reached on Patten but I still believe is a good 3rd WR. Would you give a 3rd round pick for lets say Rams WR Kevin Curtis? There is so many ways to go its just getting it done.[/QUOTE]

i see no reason to pay a 3rd rounder for curtis' services. there are quite a few players who would not cost a pick inthe draft. if we were going to go after a RFA, lloyd would be a better option. still, i think a guy like reggie wayne or david givens would be a better option. also, moulds if he is released.

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[QUOTE=Wanga Skins]I think resigning Killings is a big deal because the guy did a great job pushing the interior of the line back on limited action plus his name is Killings. I mean seriously has there ever been a better name for a defensive player ever?![/QUOTE]


killings did step up the latter part of the season. both boschetti and aki jones faded and spent most of the latter part of the year onthe inactive list. same with nic clemons. not sure if theses guys are going to step up or if they have maxed out and need to be replaced. we did so well with griffin that getting clancy fromthe giants might be another terrific signing. i expect noble will retire so it means we need a 4th interior lineman from somewhere to fill out the rotation. could be the draft or free agency

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]I want to them add Antwan Randle-El and either Jurevicius or Antonio Bryant. I don't believe that a big bodied receiver is necessary, but I think that Jurevicius or Bryant can really help this team.[/QUOTE]

I agree, Randle-El would give us a guy who could be a returner and receiver and insurance in case Moss went down. Patten is more of a fast route runner, but I bet that Randle-El could run the screen effectively ala Moss.

Jurevicius would be a good add also, but I think Thrash can fill the role of 4th receiver just fine.

Moss, Patten, Randle-El, Cooley, Portis... I think those are enough options for the QB.

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[QUOTE=shallyshal]i see no reason to pay a 3rd rounder for curtis' services. there are quite a few players who would not cost a pick inthe draft. if we were going to go after a RFA, lloyd would be a better option. still, i think a guy like reggie wayne or david givens would be a better option. also, moulds if he is released.[/QUOTE]

lloyd is nowhere close to kevin curtis. Wayne and moulds will cost too much and you railed against patten but now you want to try another NE WR? ;)

also you said something about patten not being a #2, but without a full year it'd be hard to tell (once he left our passing numbers dropped by 86 yards a game though, even with brunells two terrible games late, that is pretty stark). I agree that we need 2-3 more WRs though (between KR, KC, or maybe grabbing S moss, and bring in a min salary guy like reche C cause he's better than 4 of the guys we had playing WR this year)
.

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[QUOTE=shallyshal]killings did step up the latter part of the season. both boschetti and aki jones faded and spent most of the latter part of the year onthe inactive list. same with nic clemons. not sure if theses guys are going to step up or if they have maxed out and need to be replaced. we did so well with griffin that getting clancy fromthe giants might be another terrific signing. i expect noble will retire so it means we need a 4th interior lineman from somewhere to fill out the rotation. could be the draft or free agency[/QUOTE]

clemons couldn't stay with his assignments (tried being superman) and so he got pulled. aki barely made the roster to begin with... I didn't really like boschetti much either, not that he was horrible, but without C griff and big joe, the line stunk. If the next man up can't play well enough to go unnoticed for at least 3-4 plays then he shouldn't be taking the field. Noble i believe retired, but He and Brown (and Green) were all offered jobs in some FO/coaching capacity, so they might be back in that sense.

as for DT #2/#3, cheap options include rocky bernard or rafting tapp and moving him inside after he bulks up. triplett is also out there, but may be more expensive than the team would need for a guy that sees much more limited snap counts.

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if we could get dt l tripplett and og s hutcheson and wr k robinson and cb and de vande bosch or the like we could be real bad next year. but the cap is the thing.i expect danny and his cap guru's to do a job on the cap.it's going to be be an interesting off season. don't want to do too much and yet there are places of clear need wether it be for depth or starting. here's to j gibbs kind of player

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I'd love to have Randle El as a wr. He can make huge plays for the team.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]I want to them add Antwan Randle-El and either Jurevicius or Antonio Bryant. I don't believe that a big bodied receiver is necessary, but I think that Jurevicius or Bryant can really help this team.[/QUOTE]
bryant is a POS. he threw a towell in parcells face, we dont need that attitude here, thats why CLE AND DAL made the trade of morgan and bryant

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I want to get Adam Archuleta, and still resign Clark. Darren Howard or John Abraham. Todd Collins, Koren Robinson,Marc Boerigter, and Michael Lewis.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]lloyd is nowhere close to kevin curtis. Wayne and moulds will cost too much and you railed against patten but now you want to try another NE WR? ;)

also you said something about patten not being a #2, but without a full year it'd be hard to tell (once he left our passing numbers dropped by 86 yards a game though, even with brunells two terrible games late, that is pretty stark). I agree that we need 2-3 more WRs though (between KR, KC, or maybe grabbing S moss, and bring in a min salary guy like reche C cause he's better than 4 of the guys we had playing WR this year)
.[/QUOTE]


respectfully disagree with you on lloyd versus curtis. i would not complain with either but i think lloyd has a far greater up side. he is bigger, faster and more athletic.

comparing givens to patten is similar only in that they both came from new england. givens is bigger, stronger but not as quick. patten is very fast but small. he is also much older than givens

i liked the signing of patten, but the truth is that he is better suited forthe number 3 receiver. we need a number 2 with size and strength. also, brunell never seemed to be looking for patten or he could never find him.
just whose fault was that? pattens? brunells? i do not know, but it was obvious this year even before patten went out

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[QUOTE=That Guy]clemons couldn't stay with his assignments (tried being superman) and so he got pulled. aki barely made the roster to begin with... I didn't really like boschetti much either, not that he was horrible, but without C griff and big joe, the line stunk. If the next man up can't play well enough to go unnoticed for at least 3-4 plays then he shouldn't be taking the field. Noble i believe retired, but He and Brown (and Green) were all offered jobs in some FO/coaching capacity, so they might be back in that sense.

as for DT #2/#3, cheap options include rocky bernard or rafting tapp and moving him inside after he bulks up. triplett is also out there, but may be more expensive than the team would need for a guy that sees much more limited snap counts.[/QUOTE]


are we talking about the same clemons? he was used primarily as a third down pass rusher. seemed to be really getting better at it before he went out. i love his potential. his brother nic, is much more of a project. as i said, both boschetti and aki are going to have to prove they belong next year. competition will be good for the team

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[QUOTE=shallyshal]respectfully disagree with you on lloyd versus curtis. i would not complain with either but i think lloyd has a far greater up side. he is bigger, faster and more athletic.

comparing givens to patten is similar only in that they both came from new england. givens is bigger, stronger but not as quick. patten is very fast but small. he is also much older than givens

i liked the signing of patten, but the truth is that he is better suited forthe number 3 receiver. we need a number 2 with size and strength. also, brunell never seemed to be looking for patten or he could never find him.
just whose fault was that? pattens? brunells? i do not know, but it was obvious this year even before patten went out[/QUOTE]

i'd say it was a little more on brunnel, since brady had no problems checking 3-4 targets, whereas brunell seemed to only use half field reads (1 deep, 1 mid/short and then a dump off or toss out of bounds if those 2 options weren't there).

i'm just not sure on lloyd cause he does short arm passes and some people here raised a character issue on him... i just don't want another 50/50. Also lloyd averaged 48 yards per start whereas curtis averaged 68 per start (NEITHER had good QB play).

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[QUOTE=shallyshal]are we talking about the same clemons? he was used primarily as a third down pass rusher. seemed to be really getting better at it before he went out. i love his potential. his brother nic, is much more of a project. as i said, both boschetti and aki are going to have to prove they belong next year. competition will be good for the team[/QUOTE]

nic is the one that got pulled, chris is a great sub and definately has a spot on the team next year. So no, apparently we weren't talking about the same one, but you were talking about D linemen (and specifically mentioned nic clemons by name) and nic is a DE, chris is an OLB.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]i'd say it was a little more on brunnel, since brady had no problems checking 3-4 targets, whereas brunell seemed to only use half field reads (1 deep, 1 mid/short and then a dump off or toss out of bounds if those 2 options weren't there).

i'm just not sure on lloyd cause he does short arm passes and some people here raised a character issue on him... i just don't want another 50/50. Also lloyd averaged 48 yards per start whereas curtis averaged 68 per start (NEITHER had good QB play).[/QUOTE]


what you say makes alot of sense to me. ramsey looked for patten first in preseason and he found him a lot. i think brunell has trouble finding patton. i thought it might have a lot to do with brunell rolling away from patten, but in the end i think it is that brunell simply does not see the field that well.
for all the complaints about ramsey locking onto receivers and missing open receivers, brunell did a lot of that the latter half of the year

i understand what you say about lloyd. to be truthfull, i would prefer moulds over either one. as for givens, i have never seen him short arm a ball and like wayne, he tries to score on every play. he just does not have the speed of some wideouts.

there will be guys out there that could help this offense a lot. but inthe end, brunell will have to hold up or the offense is going to degrade again.

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The more I think about it the more I like the idea of reuniting Al Saunders and Isaac Bruce. I think this was just an off year for Bruce. I think he still has a few good years left in him.

Problem is a.) how much will he want, and b.) will he even be let go by the Rams. They may decide to hold onto him, see what he can do under Linehan