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Wow, I am so impressed with the organization that Joe Gibbs, and Dan Snyder are building. After listening to Gibbs, and Saunders today I can't imagine a free agent not wanting to come to DC to play. I also think that Saunders put an end to any specalation that Ramsey might stay. When he was asked about the Personel on the team he talked about Brunell have his best year and a first round draft pick with a lot of tools, no mention of Ramsey at all. I think that is very telling. I am really looking forward to March first to see who we add to this team.

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Didn't see the presser, but the ommission of Ramsey is very telling I think.

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I started to watch it late and i didn't want to miss the beginning so i stopped watching and will wait until they post it up on Redskins.com It went on a long time right? I started to watch at like 2:50 and it started at 2. Is it still going on??

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Did your computer "mute" when Gibbs said what Saunders' official job title would be? Mine did, and I'm wondering what the official title is

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]Did your computer "mute" when Gibbs said what Saunders' official job title would be? Mine did, and I'm wondering what the official title is[/QUOTE]lol, i do wonder what the official title will be. Any guesses?

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]Did your computer "mute" when Gibbs said what Saunders' official job title would be? Mine did, and I'm wondering what the official title is[/QUOTE]
Actually I think Gibbs said "Associate Head Coach for Offense".

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I was excited to see Gibbs say he was doing all this for the fans!!
Saunders is going to give us what we need.

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Wilbon had some intersting thoughts about the whole thing, both in his article and on the Redskins' Sunday show, that we might have too many chefs in the kitchen.

I was wondering does anyone else feel the same way?

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[QUOTE=12thMan]Wilbon had some intersting thoughts about the whole thing, both in his article and on the Redskins' Sunday show, that we might have too many chefs in the kitchen.

I was wondering does anyone else feel the same way?[/QUOTE]
I think Gibbs has shown his real strength is in personell management and leading. He won't let this become a "too many cooks in the kitchen" deal. That thought isn't lost on him. Let's be honest. Even the most diehard Gibbs supporters(me included) recognized that the offense probably had some fundamental issues that they were failing to overcome. They have had the same offensive coaches for two years but weren't able to get over the hump. I doubt seriously if Gibbs looked at the situation and didn't realize that while bringing in someone like Saunders would help it would also marginalize some of his guys. The move was made because it was best for the Skins and if some coaches feelings are hurt because they get less input than before then that is just the way it is. Gibbs isn't going to let it become a free for all with no singular concrete direction or philosophy.

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And honestly Saunders doesn't come without knowing he is going to get the autonomy he had in KC. He could get a HC if he went hard for it in Oakland. He isn't taking a thankless subserviant role here. he is gonna be the offense pilot here and he knows it.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]I think Gibbs has shown his real strength is in personell management and leading. He won't let this become a "too many cooks in the kitchen" deal. That thought isn't lost on him. Let's be honest. Even the most diehard Gibbs supporters(me included) recognized that the offense probably had some fundamental issues that they were failing to overcome. They have had the same offensive coaches for two years but weren't able to get over the hump. I doubt seriously if Gibbs looked at the situation and didn't realize that while bringing in someone like Saunders would help it would also marginalize some of his guys. The move was made because it was best for the Skins and if some coaches feelings are hurt because they get less input than before then that is just the way it is. Gibbs isn't going to let it become a free for all with no singular concrete direction or philosophy.[/QUOTE]

I pretty much felt the same, not quite as articulate, however.

But there are some, even locally, starting to make light of us having the largest coaching staff in the NFL and how this could be counter-productive, especially if Saunders doesn't enlist some of his lieutenants from KC.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]And honestly Saunders doesn't come without knowing he is going to get the autonomy he had in KC. He could get a HC if he went hard for it in Oakland. He isn't taking a thankless subserviant role here. he is gonna be the offense pilot here and he knows it.[/QUOTE]
Saunders also made another very interesting comment. He said that he told his wife that this will be the last move. So at the very least it looks like he will be here for the length of his contract.

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I didn't hear any mention of Saunders bringing coaches here with him from KC. is it possible that since Gibbs and Saunders are from the same coaching tree that they understand and can teach this offense with the current assistant coaches?

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[QUOTE=12thMan]I pretty much felt the same, not quite as articulate, however.

But there are some, even locally, starting to make light of us having the largest coaching staff in the NFL and how this could be counter-productive, especially if Saunders doesn't enlist some of his lieutenants from KC.[/QUOTE]
People always bag on the Skins. I don't know if it is because we are fans and focus on the negativity that we feel this way or what. Maybe fans of other teams feel similarly about their team. I don't know. I do know that it seems no matter what the Skins do there are always a significant group of media types, former players, league personell who seem to always find or create negative points to raise when the Skins do something. I really think if Andy Reid pulls a move like going out and getting the two best coordinators he can find and paying them top dollar to do their magic for his team that everyone would hail him as a genius. Not a nary would be said about "too many cooks in the kitchen". People hate the Skins for some reason so I have grown to expect it. Imagine if we had won the SB this year. I can guarantee that one of the more major sentiments we would hear would be something along the lines of "the worst SB winning team ever". It has become comically obvious that these feelings exist. When the leading internet NFL insider for the leading sports broadcasting company in the world says things like "You'll never win a SB with this coach" or "I hate you f%^&ers" it shows just how bad it has gotten.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]People always bag on the Skins. I don't know if it is because we are fans and focus on the negativity that we feel this way or what. Maybe fans of other teams feel similarly about their team. I don't know. I do know that it seems no matter what the Skins do there are always a significant group of media types, former players, league personell who seem to always find or create negative points to raise when the Skins do something. I really think if Andy Reid pulls a move like going out and getting the two best coordinators he can find and paying them top dollar to do their magic for his team that everyone would hail him as a genius. Not a nary would be said about "too many cooks in the kitchen". People hate the Skins for some reason so I have grown to expect it. Imagine if we had won the SB this year. I can guarantee that one of the more major sentiments we would hear would be something along the lines of "the worst SB winning team ever". It has become comically obvious that these feelings exist. When the leading internet NFL insider for the leading sports broadcasting company in the world says things like "You'll never win a SB with this coach" or "I hate you f%^&ers" it shows just how bad it has gotten.[/QUOTE]

That's so funny how that would have most definitely been ESPN's thing had we won the Super Bowl. "The worst team ever to win a Super Bowl." I could hear it now.

As long as we can put together 11 or so wins next year, I could really care less. One positive that came from the Seattle loss is that the team can feel like at least they bowed out the eventual NFC champs.

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Hmm...with all of your comments, especially the one about Saunders telling his wife that this would be the last move, I got a thought into my head. Innovation is a huge part of the NFL, and with that being said, do you think that there could end up being two head coaches some time in the future (i.e. Gregg Williams- Head Coach of Defense, Al Saunders- Head Coach of Offense). I think this would be a very interesting concept and it could make a very powerful team. Who knows, something like that could revolutionize the NFL...

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[QUOTE=12thMan]Didn't see the presser, but the ommission of Ramsey is very telling I think.[/QUOTE]

Well it could be damage control, but A. Saunders was on NFL coach speak right after the presser and he praised Ramsey up and down and said he had the luxery of having two #! QB's in him and Brunell .... said he followed out of college and was interested in getting him??

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[QUOTE=Winskins]Hmm...with all of your comments, especially the one about Saunders telling his wife that this would be the last move, I got a thought into my head. Innovation is a huge part of the NFL, and with that being said, do you think that there could end up being two head coaches some time in the future (i.e. Gregg Williams- Head Coach of Defense, Al Saunders- Head Coach of Offense). I think this would be a very interesting concept and it could make a very powerful team. Who knows, something like that could revolutionize the NFL...[/QUOTE]

thats interesting. i mean its almost set up like that now. we have an offense coach who will likely call the plays in saunders. williams we know handles defense. neither wants to leave the area. i said this in another thread but being that saunders likely could have coached elsewhere, maybe he's willing to take "less" money to just be OC. that is an interesting thought and snyder certainly has the dough.

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[QUOTE=Winskins]Hmm...with all of your comments, especially the one about Saunders telling his wife that this would be the last move, I got a thought into my head. Innovation is a huge part of the NFL, and with that being said, do you think that there could end up being two head coaches some time in the future (i.e. Gregg Williams- Head Coach of Defense, Al Saunders- Head Coach of Offense). I think this would be a very interesting concept and it could make a very powerful team. Who knows, something like that could revolutionize the NFL...[/QUOTE]

Well in a sense, but if you look at the '85 Bears...They had Ditka and Buddy Ryan. The titles really didn't suggest it, but they were pretty much run like they two head coaches. But ultimately, there needs to one head where the direction, game planning and key personnel issues flow from. One person will always shoulder the responsibilty and be accountable for the success or failure of the team, however.

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Heck, it's pretty much set up now where we have, potientially, three head coaches! As long as everybody is on the same page - and I have no doubts they will be - this is going to be great for us! I'll have to watch the presser when I get home. Interesting interpretation concerning Patrick Ramsey.

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Saunders is a quality guy, I was very impressed with his introductory press conference. He's going to be a great fit with this team and organization.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Saunders is a quality guy, I was very impressed with his introductory press conference. He's going to be a great fit with this team and organization.[/QUOTE]

Ditto

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And it just makes me more impressed with Gibbs--he saw what the team needed, and went and got his man (and props to Danny for making sure the price was right!). Again and again, we see the press (and some of us, at times ;)) say that Gibbs doesn't know what's going on in one thing or another--and then Gibbs comes out and proves that he's well aware of the situation, and he's already hard at work to fix things. Let the media say what they want--the guy knows how to win, and how to build a quality organization from top to bottom.

Saunders will fit right in. And I am VERY excited about seeing what he can do for us. Man, it's a good time to be a skins fan!

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While I'm not ready to admit super bowl like a lot of commentators are already doing, I am extremely pumped by this signing.

I can hardly wait to see what a top 10 offense paired with a top 10 defense can do.

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Saunders seems to have sense of humor:

George Micheal: How does a guy go from London, England to being a football coach?

Al Saunders: We came on a boat.

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well we were the 11th ranked offense this year if you can believe it

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]People always bag on the Skins. I don't know if it is because we are fans and focus on the negativity that we feel this way or what. Maybe fans of other teams feel similarly about their team. I don't know. I do know that it seems no matter what the Skins do there are always a significant group of media types, former players, league personell who seem to always find or create negative points to raise when the Skins do something. I really think if Andy Reid pulls a move like going out and getting the two best coordinators he can find and paying them top dollar to do their magic for his team that everyone would hail him as a genius. Not a nary would be said about "too many cooks in the kitchen". People hate the Skins for some reason so I have grown to expect it. Imagine if we had won the SB this year. I can guarantee that one of the more major sentiments we would hear would be something along the lines of "the worst SB winning team ever". It has become comically obvious that these feelings exist. When the leading internet NFL insider for the leading sports broadcasting company in the world says things like "You'll never win a SB with this coach" or "I hate you f%^&ers" it shows just how bad it has gotten.[/QUOTE]

Every fan feels that their team is getting no respect. Why just the other day some Seahawk fans I know were talking about how the media hates their team and how they don't get good press.

You need to win before you get any positive reviews. Skins deserve to be ragged on IMO simply because of the horrible moves prior to Gibbs coming back.

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[QUOTE=saden1]Every fan feels that their team is getting no respect. Why just the other day some Seahawk fans I know were talking about how the media hates their team and how they don't get good press.

You need to win before you get any positive reviews. Skins deserve to be ragged on IMO simply because of the horrible moves prior to Gibbs coming back.[/QUOTE]

every year is different in the NFL and if a team makes it to the playoffs, they deserve respect. To say we didn't desrve to be in is total disrespect and BS!

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[QUOTE=Dana87]Wow, I am so impressed with the organization that Joe Gibbs, and Dan Snyder are building. After listening to Gibbs, and Saunders today I can't imagine a free agent not wanting to come to DC to play. I also think that Saunders put an end to any specalation that Ramsey might stay. When he was asked about the Personel on the team he talked about Brunell have his best year and a first round draft pick with a lot of tools, no mention of Ramsey at all. I think that is very telling. I am really looking forward to March first to see who we add to this team.

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Very telling indeed, here's something along those lines from the WP:

[quote]Gibbs called quarterbacks Mark Brunell and Jason Campbell to inform them of Saunders's hiring but said he has not talked to Patrick Ramsey, who almost certainly will be traded or released. Saunders referred to both Brunell and Campbell when quickly discussing offensive personnel yesterday, but did not mention Ramsey, a former first-round pick.[/quote]

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I repeat myself like many posts.....Gibbs has always had future or prior HEAD coaches working for him. It all started with Hannifan in the early 80s......the true genius behind the hogs.(if you are reading this Bugel) HI JOE!!! I LOVE YOU.

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I'm getting a weird vibe that Gregg Williams may not be Gibbs' successor after he re-retires. Title for Saunders is ASSOCIATE coach - offense. Title for Williams is ASSISTANT coach - defense. Being an associate is being equal to Gibbs, while being an assistant is under Gibbs. Maybe I'm reading into it too much.......

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[QUOTE=Dana87]Wow, I am so impressed with the organization that Joe Gibbs, and Dan Snyder are building. After listening to Gibbs, and Saunders today I can't imagine a free agent not wanting to come to DC to play. I also think that Saunders put an end to any specalation that Ramsey might stay. When he was asked about the Personel on the team he talked about Brunell have his best year and a first round draft pick with a lot of tools, no mention of Ramsey at all. I think that is very telling. I am really looking forward to March first to see who we add to this team.

:point: :towel: :point: :towel: :point:[/QUOTE]

The Redskins probably wouldn't be fooling anyone. But shouldn't they at least act like Ramsey is still a part of their plans? That they're at least considering the option of him being their QB. If nothing else, it gives the impression that if other teams want him they'll have to pry him away from us. Not that we'll just hand him out to the first bidder.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]The Redskins probably wouldn't be fooling anyone. But shouldn't they at least act like Ramsey is still a part of their plans? That they're at least considering the option of him being their QB. If nothing else, it gives the impression that if other teams want him they'll have to pry him away from us. Not that we'll just hand him out to the first bidder.[/QUOTE]

Perhaps they already have a deal worked out in principle for a trade to another team.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]The Redskins probably wouldn't be fooling anyone. But shouldn't they at least act like Ramsey is still a part of their plans? That they're at least considering the option of him being their QB. If nothing else, it gives the impression that if other teams want him they'll have to pry him away from us. Not that we'll just hand him out to the first bidder.[/QUOTE]

I guess I don't think they can do that b/c Gibbs isn't going to lie to Ramsey. Gibbs has been pretty clear that he would like Ramsey to stay to give Gibbs depth but that he doesn't trust him to start yet. With the drafting of Campbell, any thought that Ramsey might stay went out the window.

Despite what Offiss (and other Ramsey fans) think, he has been gone for some time. Even if he stays this year, it is to hold the clipboard. He would likely be the number 2 and provide great depth, but no way he starts unless Brunell goes down. Next year he is an UFA, so this is the year to trade him and get something. Hopefully a third but maybe not even that much.

If Ramsey tells Gibbs, I want to play here next year even as a back up - then MAYBE, just maybe he stays. But if Ramsey can't accept that he is not in competition for the number 1 spot, then he will be traded for whatever we can get.

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i think alot of us are reading into something that may be nothing at all.if ramsey cannot get fair market value for a former #1 pick,he will be staying,plain and simple.he is familar with the redskins and at the very least a quality back up.the skins arent going to give him away

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[QUOTE=dmek25]i think alot of us are reading into something that may be nothing at all.if ramsey cannot get fair market value for a former #1 pick,he will be staying,plain and simple.he is familar with the redskins and at the very least a quality back up.the skins arent going to give him away[/QUOTE]

I agree with you completely Dmek25

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The question, however, is "What is fair value?" After four years, being a "former No.1 pick" does not in and of itself carry much value (e.g. Koren Robinson, Rod Gardner). He is a QB with starting experience and a potential upside, so yes, I agree he has value.

Also, I think that a lot depends on what he wants to do. If he does not want to be here, or more accurately, wants to be somewhere else where he has a legitimate shot at starting - Gibbs will honor the request. In which case, Gibbs will get the best deal he can for him and send him on his way.

If Ramsey wants to stay, he will stay (for the reasons you mentioned). If he wants to go AND the Skins can get something more than a 6th rounder for him - he will go.

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[QUOTE=Kevikazi]I'm getting a weird vibe that Gregg Williams may not be Gibbs' successor after he re-retires. Title for Saunders is ASSOCIATE coach - offense. Title for Williams is ASSISTANT coach - defense. Being an associate is being equal to Gibbs, while being an assistant is under Gibbs. Maybe I'm reading into it too much.......[/QUOTE]

Bugel is already the assistant HC - offense, so I think they had to get creative in making a title for Saunders that would put him above Bugel, but without "demoting" Bugel.

I wouldn't read into it, but that's just my opinion.

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i dont think anything but at least a second round pick will do.no one in the nfl really knows what p ramsey will do in a full season running an nfl offense with some protection

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Yup, I'd say a late second or early third.