Clemons or Arrington?
 

I would say that there is about a 50% chance that we get rid of LaVar to create room in the salary cap. So if LaVar goes would you guys rather have Chris Clemons replace him or would you rather sign a proven LB? Clemons was put on injured reserve this year about 9 games into the season he has a lot of potential and I know GW loves him. I really like LaVar but if he doesn't restructure his contract I can't see him staying here, and his backup last season was Warrick Holdman who is a free agent so if LaVar left I think Clemons would be next in line he had 3 sacks this year and he usually comes in as a third down LB. I woould Personally like to see Chris Clemons start if LaVar leaves.

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I would rather restructure Lavar's contract and keep him. I think that this grievance against the Postons may be a sign.

Lavar was humbled this year but more importantly they had the best season that he has seen. If he is a true competitor it should make him hungry. I would take a hungry Arrington over Clemons or any of the other FA Linebackers (not to mention the fact that if they eat the cap hit, they aren't signing anyone of consequence this offseason).

Did anyone notice that the skins already have 94 million committed for 07?? That is scary.

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[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper]Did anyone notice that the skins already have 94 million committed for 07?? That is scary.[/QUOTE]
The cap in 07 doesn't exist right now. There is no cap in 07 per the current CBA. If a new CBA is installed the cap in 07 will be significantly higher than 94. One guess I saw was in the 105 range.

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Everything that I have read points to a cap in 07. Do you really think that 105 means anything?? The 94 already allocated only covers 34 players.

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[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper]Everything that I have read points to a cap in 07. Do you really think that 105 means anything?? The 94 already allocated only covers 34 players.[/QUOTE]

Until the owners sign on the dotted line, it's still up in the air chief!

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It will be cheaper to Restructure and keep him than it will be to cut or trade him. That has already been established. He is an impact player any getting rid of him is IMHO is a huge mistake. The only way i would consider it is if he won't restructure and is just trying to force the Redskins hand, and that does not seem to be the case.

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[QUOTE=Dana87]It will be cheaper to Restructure and keep him than it will be to cut or trade him. That has already been established. He is an impact player any getting rid of him is IMHO is a huge mistake. The only way i would consider it is if he won't restructure and is just trying to force the Redskins hand, and that does not seem to be the case.[/QUOTE]


He seems more eager to restructure now than what he did earlier in the season or even before this season started. It's funny what a winning playoff season will do for a person's persepective.

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It will be cheaper to keep him if new CBA by June 27th, we can put his bonus in two years other then 1 year..7 mill on cap next year but 12 if we let him go.:frusty:

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[QUOTE=Dana87]It will be cheaper to Restructure and keep him than it will be to cut or trade him. That has already been established. He is an impact player any getting rid of him is IMHO is a huge mistake. The only way i would consider it is if he won't restructure and is just trying to force the Redskins hand, and that does not seem to be the case.[/QUOTE]
I don't think it's a restructure thing...I believe it is because of his bonus due.

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[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper]I would rather restructure Lavar's contract and keep him. I think that this grievance against the Postons may be a sign.

Lavar was humbled this year but more importantly they had the best season that he has seen. If he is a true competitor it should make him hungry. I would take a hungry Arrington over Clemons or any of the other FA Linebackers (not to mention the fact that if they eat the cap hit, they aren't signing anyone of consequence this offseason).

Did anyone notice that the skins already have 94 million committed for 07?? That is scary.[/QUOTE]
I agree with every point in your post!!!! Especially HUNGRY part!:food-smil

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Don't get me worng I really like Arrington and I do think he is willing to restructure his contract, but if the Redskins do part ways with LaVar I would really like to see what Chris Clemons is able to do he played really well as a 3rd down LB until he got put on IR he recorded 3 sacks in limited play as opposed to Arrington's 0 sacks in a starting role. I would like to see Arrington stay and start again for us but if not I say Clemons should get the job.

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It increasingly sounds like Lavar will stay. I think if he doesn't lose some weight, one of these young guys is going to take his job anyway. Riggins had my back on Redskins Report saying that L.A. looked like he had swallowed 20 lbs of buckshot when he was returning that int. against Tampa. A buddy of mine says that since his knee injury, Lavar runs like Peggy Bundy. I agree.

And now let the Lavar boosting begin:

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I think that everyone agrees that Arrington has not been the same physically since the injury. However, the general rule that the analysts always talk about is that major knee injuries take two years to recover from. It would be crushing to see Lavar go somewhere else and return to pro-bowl form.

Not that I liked Trotter at all but it bothers me that he has had two straight pro-bowl years for a division rival because the skins were impatient.

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Arrington at the end of the season was starting to fit more in the system and would be even greater in his second year under the same coordinator. I hope he is able to stay.

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[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper] However, the general rule that the analysts always talk about is that major knee injuries take two years to recover from. It would be crushing to see Lavar go somewhere else and return to pro-bowl form.
[QUOTE]

Didn't Edgerrin James have a knee injury? It took him a couple of full years to get back into form. I do hope he comes back next year.

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Lavar didn't reconstructive knee surgery there is a difference.

Lavar is a waste of money, we could get a LB to back up Clemons later in the draft.

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I also agree restructure his Roster Bonus due to him...helping us with Cap and keeping a HUNGRY, still young, ALL-PRO LB...that is better then any LB in FA. I also believe with his new found attitude and a full offseason with GW we will see Lavar more on 3rd downs.

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[QUOTE=RMSkins]I would say that there is about a 50% chance that we get rid of LaVar to create room in the salary cap. So if LaVar goes would you guys rather have Chris Clemons replace him or would you rather sign a proven LB? Clemons was put on injured reserve this year about 9 games into the season he has a lot of potential and I know GW loves him. I really like LaVar but if he doesn't restructure his contract I can't see him staying here, and his backup last season was Warrick Holdman who is a free agent so if LaVar left I think Clemons would be next in line he had 3 sacks this year and he usually comes in as a third down LB. I woould Personally like to see Chris Clemons start if LaVar leaves.[/QUOTE]

Why do all that.....Mc Cune....is a up and comer

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[QUOTE=ST21]Why do all that.....Mc Cune....is a up and comer[/QUOTE]
I really hope LaVar does stay because he finished the year really well after all the drama. But if he gets cut, we can't rely on Clemons because he's coming off an injury so we might have to look at a vet. There is the option to put McCune in somewhere, but he's way behind Holdman in understanding the system, having been on the practice squad. I like Clemons but haven't seen enough production to hand him the job just yet. LaVar is a better option if we can keep him, as I think he is better than any free agent OLBs out there, and now he and Marcus Washington had a great December and January.

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I like McCune, but I believe he is being groomed as Marshall's replacment after next year...and unfortunatley Holdman is a FA...I liked him for depth..so far we've been lucky that Washington has stayed healthy, so we've only needed a backup for Lavar.

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[QUOTE=j_j__l]I like McCune, but I believe he is being groomed as Marshall's replacment after next year...and unfortunatley Holdman is a FA...I liked him for depth..so far we've been lucky that Washington has stayed healthy, so we've only needed a backup for Lavar.[/QUOTE]

How did McCune do this year? I was focused on him a lot in training camp (especially with having some doubts about Lamar Marshall going to MLB. Thank god I was wrong). However once the season began I pretty much forgot about him. Hell I almost forgot he existed untill reading this thread

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honestly he didn't play but a couple of snaps on D...he was active most of the year for special teams.

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I agree with all those who want Arrington to stay. He started to come on towards the end of the year, and I think he started to adjust his attitude to fit into the Redskins team-first philosophy better.

If this guy is healthy and his mind is right, he is a force on the field. Having both him and Washington on the outside is just such an asset I would hate to see us lose him for nothing.

Then again, I just can't imagine the Redskins would just drop him. I just don't see that happening.

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lavar stays,and i cant believe someone wanted trotter back.he blatantly stole money from the skins for 2 years.over rated and a product of jimmy johnsons defense.trooter was horrible here in dc

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I go with arrington because we know what he can do every time unlike clemons which is just a third down linebacker

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[QUOTE=Dirtbag359]How did McCune do this year? I was focused on him a lot in training camp (especially with having some doubts about Lamar Marshall going to MLB. Thank god I was wrong). However once the season began I pretty much forgot about him. Hell I almost forgot he existed untill reading this thread[/QUOTE]


So did the coaching staff.

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easily arrington...all we know clemons can do is rush the passer really, and maybe cover some. run stopping, we havent seen it. lavar is a game changer

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[QUOTE=dmek25]lavar stays,and i cant believe someone wanted trotter back.he blatantly stole money from the skins for 2 years.over rated and a product of jimmy johnsons defense.trooter was horrible here in dc[/QUOTE]

If you read the post, I didn't say that I wanted Trotter back. I said that it bothered be that they released Trotter and then he had two straight pro-bowl seasons with a division rival (I thought it was a joke that Trotter made it this year but that is a whole different issue).

Actually, you couldn't be further from the truth as to the stealing money comment. I do not feel like researching this but Trotter was leading the team in tackles and then he blew out his knee on T-giving day in Dallas. He played the next year and was marginal to pretty bad (I seem to recall a stupid personal foul or two). When Gibbs came in Trotter was not invited to camp and the team chose to eat the salary cap hit. The team chose to go another direction and signed Barrow and resigned Pierce. Barrow got hurt and the rest is history. I do not recall Trotter ever being a problem for the team.

My point is that I don't want them to cut Arrington, now that he has had a chance to get healthy, and then see him return to pro-bowl form. It burned me that Trotter was a healthy percentage of the cap and and at the same time punishing our runners twice a year.

That being said, I hate Trotter. He is an Eagle.

dmek - Don't come half steppin' if you are going to jump on my posts.

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[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper]If you read the post, I didn't say that I wanted Trotter back. I said that it bothered be that they released Trotter and then he had two straight pro-bowl seasons with a division rival (I thought it was a joke that Trotter made it this year but that is a whole different issue).

Actually, you couldn't be further from the truth as to the stealing money comment. I do not feel like researching this but Trotter was leading the team in tackles and then he blew out his knee on T-giving day in Dallas. He played the next year and was marginal to pretty bad (I seem to recall a stupid personal foul or two). When Gibbs came in Trotter was not invited to camp and the team chose to eat the salary cap hit. The team chose to go another direction and signed Barrow and resigned Pierce. Barrow got hurt and the rest is history. I do not recall Trotter ever being a problem for the team.

My point is that I don't want them to cut Arrington, now that he has had a chance to get healthy, and then see him return to pro-bowl form. It burned me that Trotter was a healthy percentage of the cap and and at the same time punishing our runners twice a year.

That being said, I hate Trotter. He is an Eagle.

dmek - Don't come half steppin' if you are going to jump on my posts.[/QUOTE]

i dont think he was saying he was a bad guy, when he says that he stole money. he is saying, i believe, that his play was so bad, that it was almost as if he were stealing money, because he had a huge salary

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Well if the guy was a two time pro-bowler before he got here and a two time pro-bowler after he played here do you blame the player or the coaches.

Given the swiss cheese "defenses" under Spurrier, I would blame the coaches. I remember going to the Tampa Bay game when they still had Keyshawn. The Bucs ran the same play three times in a row (I was literally in the last row behind the Bucs at the time and I could see the whole field if you know what I mean). It was a simple 3 receiver set and they put one wideout in motion going right to left setting up in the slot. First play, first down to McCardell (covered and tackled by Bowen). Second play first down to McCardell (covered and tackled by Bowen). Third play, Keyshawn fakes that he will turn around goes to the post and gets a 41 yard TD ("covered" by Bowen). I was beside myself.

I don't think that a lot of people realize how far they have come in two years. The defense under Spurrier made you want to throw up.

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[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper]Well if the guy was a two time pro-bowler before he got here and a two time pro-bowler after he played here do you blame the player or the coaches.

Given the swiss cheese "defenses" under Spurrier, I would blame the coaches. I remember going to the Tampa Bay game when they still had Keyshawn. The Bucs ran the same play three times in a row (I was literally in the last row behind the Bucs at the time and I could see the whole field if you know what I mean). It was a simple 3 receiver set and they put one wideout in motion going right to left setting up in the slot. First play, first down to McCardell (covered and tackled by Bowen). Second play first down to McCardell (covered and tackled by Bowen). Third play, Keyshawn fakes that he will turn around goes to the post and gets a 41 yard TD ("covered" by Bowen). I was beside myself.

I don't think that a lot of people realize how far they have come in two years. The defense under Spurrier made you want to throw up.[/QUOTE]

didnt we have marvin lewis and a top 5 defense one year spurrier was here?

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[QUOTE=Big C]didnt we have marvin lewis and a top 5 defense one year spurrier was here?[/QUOTE]

Not the second year when they played the bucs.

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Give both the ax! We can do better in FA or the draft. It's all about what Greg Williams wants out of that position.

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According to ESPN.com:

Washington defense was 5th in 2002 and 25th in 2003.

That's quite a drop off over one year.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]According to ESPN.com:

Washington defense was 5th in 2002 and 25th in 2003.

That's quite a drop off over one year.[/QUOTE]

my point was that we had good defense the one year we had lewis and spurrier, so trotter was in a good defense

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[QUOTE=Big C]easily arrington...all we know clemons can do is rush the passer really, and maybe cover some. run stopping, we havent seen it. lavar is a game changer[/QUOTE]


He most defiently can change a game, like in Seattle when they ran a run fake and hit their RB in the flat for a big firstdown while Arrington bit, only to see Williams yank him out of the lineup immediatly. whenever the opposing team needs a big play Arrington is willing to comply.

All Clemons can do is rush the passer? If Arrington could only do that.

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[QUOTE=Big C]my point was that we had good defense the one year we had lewis and spurrier, so trotter was in a good defense[/QUOTE]

I know. I'm just shocked at how there was such a drop off over one year.

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[QUOTE=offiss]He most defiently can change a game, like in Seattle when they ran a run fake and hit their RB in the flat for a big firstdown while Arrington bit, only to see Williams yank him out of the lineup immediatly. whenever the opposing team needs a big play Arrington is willing to comply.

All Clemons can do is rush the passer? If Arrington could only do that.[/QUOTE]

Not like that misdirection to Marcus Washington's side to Mack Strong. He was definitely in position on that play, that's why Mack Strong picked up his best run of his professional career. How come only LaVar gets blamed when "big" plays happen? Who was screwing up the D against Denver and Kansas City when LaVar was watching the game?

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That was Warrick Holdman. I really WOULD love to see another LB step up, "just in case".

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2006 is the year of Campbell....Khary Campbell!!!!