Its safe to say, that Joe is full of surprises?
 

Joe has made a habit of crossing us up the last couple of years,

First of all, he came back! We thought that he would have leaned towards Winslow then he opted for Taylor, of course the Portis trade, then just recently the Saunders hire, one of the biggest curveballs for me coming from Joe Jackson was his willingness to stand by Brunell who, all of you can agree, hurt or not hurt, had a horrible 2004.

I was thinking, Joe brought in Brunell, he believed in him to be the starting QB, and he stood by him, through thick and thin even after he had the worst QB rating in the NFL. He never gave up on him. Who is to say he does the same with David Patten and completely forgoes the idea of getting a #2 receiver. I know, it sounds crazy, but it is not like we didn't have a player at the position, we did, he just got hurt. Joe wanted this guy, Joe went out and got this guy, and we all know, that Joe sticks by his guys.

The more I think about it, the more it seems plausible to me. We have alot of other issues that might be brewing, Ryan Clark could leave, Taylor could do time, Springs is getting old, we could upgrade at Tight End, we need a DE, and punter. Its just a matter of time before Joe crosses up again, maybe it will be by sticking with Patten??? thoughts?

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i for one do not think getting another receiver is top priority.patton is getting paid well and lets give him a full season before passing judgement.on that note t jacobs must go.can anyone think of one good reason to keep him?

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Anyone know how many draft picks we have this year and in what rounds?

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2, 3, 5, 6, 6, 7 i believe if we get no compensatory picks... all at 24 in the round i believe (the extra 6th will be 28 or so)

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I too think that Patten will be a productive WR for us. I do However feel more comfortable with him as the #3 WR. I think we are a real good #2 WR away from being the best offense in the NFC. Imagine... Moss, Robinson, Patten, Cooley. That would really stretch the defense giving Portis extra and wider gaps to exploit. By doing so we will control the clock better and beeven more productive in the RedZone. This in turn will me our Defense will probably improve back to the top in the league. Due to the fact that they wont be on the field as much, and that they will be able to be more aggressive playing with a lead. I would love to see the Skins make a run at Wayne but I have become more convinced that the Colts are going to either sign him or franchise him. I like Randle El but I dont think he would be as good of a possession WR as Robinson. I think Robinson has the most upside of the currently available WR's. I know he has had problems in the past but by all accounts he seems to have cleaned up and gotten his life back on track. Plus he will not cost us a fortune. I would love it if Santana's brother would fall to us in the 2nd rnd. I think he would be hard to pass up at that point.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]2, 3, 5, 6, 6, 7 i believe if we get no compensatory picks... all at 24 in the round i believe (the extra 6th will be 28 or so)[/QUOTE]
we better get some compensatory picks from losing pierce and smoot...especially from losing pierce cuz he had a really good year

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[QUOTE=Dana87]I too think that Patten will be a productive WR for us. I do However feel more comfortable with him as the #3 WR. I think we are a real good #2 WR away from being the best offense in the NFC. Imagine... Moss, Robinson, Patten, Cooley. That would really stretch the defense giving Portis extra and wider gaps to exploit. By doing so we will control the clock better and beeven more productive in the RedZone. This in turn will me our Defense will probably improve back to the top in the league. Due to the fact that they wont be on the field as much, and that they will be able to be more aggressive playing with a lead. I would love to see the Skins make a run at Wayne but I have become more convinced that the Colts are going to either sign him or franchise him. I like Randle El but I dont think he would be as good of a possession WR as Robinson. I think Robinson has the most upside of the currently available WR's. I know he has had problems in the past but by all accounts he seems to have cleaned up and gotten his life back on track. Plus he will not cost us a fortune. I would love it if Santana's brother would fall to us in the 2nd rnd. I think he would be hard to pass up at that point.[/QUOTE]

i agree... patten is older now and you need better depth than the skins had, after patten there was NOTHING. so even if patten is our 2, bringing 2 more guys (one solid, one near min like a reche caldwell or whatever) is sorely needed. I also think KR is the best pickup if we can't get curtis.

moss's value is a total unknown right now... a few have him going late 1st to the giants, others have him undrafted in the first 3 rounds... i'd guess he'd be a late 2nd unless his combine is good (which is definately possible). he didn't produce well for a go-to guy, which would help the skins (miami was TERRIBLE at QB). Santana and smith's crazy years hurts though. I think there is another super speed WR that's rated above him, which would also help.

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[QUOTE=gortiz]Joe has made a habit of crossing us up the last couple of years,

First of all, he came back! We thought that he would have leaned towards Winslow then he opted for Taylor, of course the Portis trade, then just recently the Saunders hire, one of the biggest curveballs for me coming from Joe Jackson was his willingness to stand by Brunell who, all of you can agree, hurt or not hurt, had a horrible 2004.

I was thinking, Joe brought in Brunell, he believed in him to be the starting QB, and he stood by him, through thick and thin even after he had the worst QB rating in the NFL. He never gave up on him. Who is to say he does the same with David Patten and completely forgoes the idea of getting a #2 receiver. I know, it sounds crazy, but it is not like we didn't have a player at the position, we did, he just got hurt. Joe wanted this guy, Joe went out and got this guy, and we all know, that Joe sticks by his guys.

The more I think about it, the more it seems plausible to me. We have alot of other issues that might be brewing, Ryan Clark could leave, Taylor could do time, Springs is getting old, we could upgrade at Tight End, we need a DE, and punter. Its just a matter of time before Joe crosses up again, maybe it will be by sticking with Patten??? thoughts?[/QUOTE]

I hear what you're saying. I mean I'm thrilled we got Moss, but last year at this time I think just about all of us would have said Coles was a "core" Redskin. And next thing you know he's gone.

I'm sure something will happen this offseason that will leave us stunned. If it hasn't already happened with Saunders. Like maybe Ramsey stays, and Campbell is traded. I'm not trying to start any sort of rumor, but....Campbell excelled in college in a West Coast style offense. Musgrave, a WC guy came in and pretty much worked exclusively with Campbell. Now Musgrave is gone an Gibbs has been hyping up Campbell (upping his trade value?)...What the hell, I'm starting the first official Unsubstantiated Campbell Will Be Traded Rumor Hype Myth

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]I hear what you're saying. I mean I'm thrilled we got Moss, but last year at this time I think just about all of us would have said Coles was a "core" Redskin. And next thing you know he's gone.

I'm sure something will happen this offseason that will leave us stunned. If it hasn't already happened with Saunders. Like maybe Ramsey stays, and Campbell is traded. I'm not trying to start any sort of rumor, but....Campbell excelled in college in a West Coast style offense. Musgrave, a WC guy came in and pretty much worked exclusively with Campbell. Now Musgrave is gone an Gibbs has been hyping up Campbell (upping his trade value?)...What the hell, I'm starting the first official Unsubstantiated Campbell Will Be Traded Rumor Hype Myth[/QUOTE]


One thing is certain. Gibbs perception about what is wrong with the offense is totally different from ours. His stance on Brunell, Moss, McCants, Jacobs has gone squarely against CW. Trading Campbell may be a fridge too far. Who wants to bet me they bring in Keyshawn?

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[QUOTE=70Chip]One thing is certain. Gibbs perception about what is wrong with the offense is totally different from ours. His stance on Brunell, Moss, McCants, Jacobs has gone squarely against CW. Trading Campbell may be a fridge too far. Who wants to bet me they bring in Keyshawn?[/QUOTE]
I bet they dont!!!!! :lol: :yeahright :lol:

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keushawn is not a gibbs/skins player

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]I hear what you're saying. I mean I'm thrilled we got Moss, but last year at this time I think just about all of us would have said Coles was a "core" Redskin. And next thing you know he's gone.

I'm sure something will happen this offseason that will leave us stunned. If it hasn't already happened with Saunders. Like maybe Ramsey stays, and Campbell is traded. I'm not trying to start any sort of rumor, but....Campbell excelled in college in a West Coast style offense. Musgrave, a WC guy came in and pretty much worked exclusively with Campbell. Now Musgrave is gone an Gibbs has been hyping up Campbell (upping his trade value?)...What the hell, I'm starting the first official Unsubstantiated Campbell Will Be Traded Rumor Hype Myth[/QUOTE]

You know what is crazy, I don't think that trade scenario is still as nutty as us trading Champ Baily for Clinton freaking Portis!

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this is a little off subject but didn't the chiefs use their running backs quite a bit in the passing game ? if so, next season might be the best season portis has had so far. i can see portis having huge gains on rb screens and plays of that sort.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]I hear what you're saying. I mean I'm thrilled we got Moss, but last year at this time I think just about all of us would have said Coles was a "core" Redskin. And next thing you know he's gone.

I'm sure something will happen this offseason that will leave us stunned. If it hasn't already happened with Saunders. Like maybe Ramsey stays, and Campbell is traded. I'm not trying to start any sort of rumor, but....Campbell excelled in college in a West Coast style offense. Musgrave, a WC guy came in and pretty much worked exclusively with Campbell. Now Musgrave is gone an Gibbs has been hyping up Campbell (upping his trade value?)...What the hell, I'm starting the first official Unsubstantiated Campbell Will Be Traded Rumor Hype Myth[/QUOTE]


Taf there still may be a chance for me and you! :biggthump :laughing-

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I caught a little of the senior bowl, and from what I saw I would love to have Moss's little brother on the team, he mad a big impression the little I watched.

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[QUOTE=wolfeskins]this is a little off subject but didn't the chiefs use their running backs quite a bit in the passing game ? if so, next season might be the best season portis has had so far. i can see portis having huge gains on rb screens and plays of that sort.[/QUOTE]

I know priest caught his fair share of balls, more than the average runnig back. I think they spread the ball around to Tony Richardson as well ... so that bodes well for cooley since he also serves as a "tight end"

when you think about it, their WR's were not catching balls, so I'm sure the TE and the RB's got a lot of looks... well we know Tony did ...

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Would it be safe to say we're going to have a SCREEN PASS to Portis?!!?!

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]Would it be safe to say we're going to have a SCREEN PASS to Portis?!!?![/QUOTE]

That would be great!

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i think thru out the season that the little they threw the ball to portis,he has a good set of hands

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[QUOTE=offiss]Taf there still may be a chance for me and you! :biggthump :laughing-[/QUOTE]

I hope you two move it to a private pm! This forum has young impressionable visitors.

Maybe you meant that you both think alike? Offiss.

I've kind of been thinking about the Patten situation, and I also believe HOF Coach Gibbs will stick by him and address other areas as opposed to WR.

We really do not know how Coach Saunders will have the QB, whether Brunnell, P. Ram, or Campbell, go through their progressions when a pass is called.

I further suspect one or two screen passes to Portis and Betts. Maybe more!

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[QUOTE=backrow]I hope you two move it to a private pm! This forum has young impressionable visitors.

Maybe you meant that you both think alike? Offiss.

I've kind of been thinking about the Patten situation, and I also believe HOF Coach Gibbs will stick by him and address other areas as opposed to WR.

We really do not know how Coach Saunders will have the QB, whether Brunnell, P. Ram, or Campbell, go through their progressions when a pass is called.

I further suspect one or two screen passes to Portis and Betts. Maybe more![/QUOTE]


Would you join us backdoor? [I mean backrow]

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[QUOTE=offiss]Would you join us backdoor? [I mean backrow][/QUOTE]

slow down cowboy...Brokeback Offiss, coming (get your mind out of the gutter FRPLG!) this summer

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]slow down cowboy...Brokeback Offiss, coming (get your mind out of the gutter FRPLG!) this summer[/QUOTE]

cowboys and brokeback seem to fit together, don't you think?

Can't join you guys. Happily married, 2 grown kids, 4 1/2 grandkids.

You two have fun! HOF Coach Gibbs is conservative like me, and I don't know that he's changed his thinking in that regard. So I would be very surprised! (We know he hates cowboys!)

We will agree/disagree here on this forum only.

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Whoa! Leaving now. LOL

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Where would the Skins getting T.O. rank among the following most shocking/surprising things to happen to the Redskins organization in the last 2 years.

[i]in no paticular order ... [/i]

1. Joe coming back to coach the Skins
2. Trading Champ Baily and a 1st rounder for Clinton Portis
3. Joe pulling Ramsey and starting Brunell in week 1
4. Switching to the Shogun
5. Moving up and getting Jason Campbell in the 1st round
6. Joe giving up play calling and hiring Al Saunders to be our Offensive Coordinator

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that would be bigger than joe coming back because i believe there is no way in hell T.O. comes to D.C.

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[QUOTE=dmek25]that would be bigger than joe coming back because i believe there is no way in hell T.O. comes to D.C.[/QUOTE]

Okay, I hear you, but, there is no way in the world you thought Joe would come back! Or us [b][i]TRADING[/i][/b] for Portis!

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If we ever signed T.O. I would end up in jail by kickoff of the first preseason game for attacking any and everyone who would dare disrespect Mr. Monk by wearing a T.O. #81 jersey. Heads would roll...

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[QUOTE=steveo395]we better get some compensatory picks from losing pierce and smoot...especially from losing pierce cuz he had a really good year[/QUOTE]
not if the league has anything to do with it.. remember the league does not publish the formula for giving picks out. we will get zipped again is my guess

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]I hear what you're saying. I mean I'm thrilled we got Moss, but last year at this time I think just about all of us would have said Coles was a "core" Redskin. And next thing you know he's gone.

I'm sure something will happen this offseason that will leave us stunned. If it hasn't already happened with Saunders. Like maybe Ramsey stays, and Campbell is traded. I'm not trying to start any sort of rumor, but....Campbell excelled in college in a West Coast style offense. Musgrave, a WC guy came in and pretty much worked exclusively with Campbell. Now Musgrave is gone an Gibbs has been hyping up Campbell (upping his trade value?)...What the hell, I'm starting the first official Unsubstantiated Campbell Will Be Traded Rumor Hype Myth[/QUOTE]


pullleeeze.... you are just starting stuff..LOL.. after what the skins paid for campbell there is zero chance he will be gone before getting a chance to qb the team. let's talk about this topic in another 2 years at the earliest..

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[QUOTE=HolyLandSkinsFan]keushawn is not a gibbs/skins player[/QUOTE]
respectfully disagree. keyshawn is a warrior. he would fit in well

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[QUOTE=gortiz]You know what is crazy, I don't think that trade scenario is still as nutty as us trading Champ Baily for Clinton freaking Portis![/QUOTE]
major difference being that champ had decided he wanted out. it forced the issue. at least we got something for his loss

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[QUOTE=ArtMonkDrillz]If we ever signed T.O. I would end up in jail by kickoff of the first preseason game for attacking any and everyone who would dare disrespect Mr. Monk by wearing a T.O. #81 jersey. Heads would roll...[/QUOTE]

Now that would NEVER happen ...

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[QUOTE=dmek25]i think thru out the season that the little they threw the ball to portis,he has a good set of hands[/QUOTE]
but he was kind of an afterthought rather than being a first option most of the time. i think more plays inthe passing game will be designed around portis..

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[QUOTE=dmek25]that would be bigger than joe coming back because i believe there is no way in hell T.O. comes to D.C.[/QUOTE]
agree. signing TO under gibbs is not like signing deion with snyder running things. i really do not see it happening

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[QUOTE=gortiz]Where would the Skins getting T.O. rank among the following most shocking/surprising things to happen to the Redskins organization in the last 2 years.

[i]in no paticular order ... [/i]

1. Joe coming back to coach the Skins
2. Trading Champ Baily and a 1st rounder for Clinton Portis
3. Joe pulling Ramsey and starting Brunell in week 1
4. Switching to the Shogun
5. Moving up and getting Jason Campbell in the 1st round
6. Joe giving up play calling and hiring Al Saunders to be our Offensive Coordinator[/QUOTE]

we didnt trade a 1st and bailey, it was a 2nd (which turned into tatum bell).

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[QUOTE=shallyshal]respectfully disagree. keyshawn is a warrior. he would fit in well[/QUOTE]

no he's not, he's whiny and confrontational and, oh yeah, way over the hill.

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[QUOTE=shallyshal]agree. signing TO under gibbs is not like signing deion with snyder running things. i really do not see it happening[/QUOTE]

except TO can still play. You like KJ, but not TO, even though TO is MUCH better (though with even more baggage)... seems odd to me.

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I am certain the skins will sign TO and he will wear #81.

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[QUOTE=irish]I am certain the skins will sign TO and he will wear #81.[/QUOTE]


Thanks for the info Peter King. While were at it lets bring in Mike Alstott and let him wear #44.