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[COLOR=DarkRed][B]1st Choice[/B][/COLOR]
[B]Antwaan Randle El #82[/B]

Height: 5-10
Weight: 192 lbs. Age: 26
Pos: WR
Experience: 4 years
College: Indiana
Drafted: Year:2002 Round:2 Pick:30, Steelers

[COLOR=DarkRed][B]Due to Randle El’s Versitility I feel he will be the best pick-up as a #2 WR and a return specialist. He will give the Redskins an added dimension in the passing game and the running game. His 15.9 avg yds per reception in the highest of this group.[/B][/COLOR]

REC 35 | YDS 558 | TD 1

SPLIT REC YDS AVG LNG TD
2005 35 558 15.9 63 1

[COLOR=DarkRed][B]2nd Choice [/B] [/COLOR]
[B]David Lamar Givens #87[/B]

Height: 6-0
Weight: 215 lbs. Age: 25
Pos: WR
Experience: 4 years
College: Notre Dame
Drafted: Year:2002 Round:7 Pick:42, Patriots

[COLOR=DarkRed][B]Givens size and production in an offense that is a collaboration of very good players, is impressive. I would venture to say that he is probably the best Receiver the Patriots have. I think he will be very productive opposite Moss. If you add Patten to the mix I think all three would thrive the way the “POSSE” did in the 80’s.[/B][/COLOR]

REC 59 | YDS 738 | TD 2

SPLIT REC YDS AVG LNG TD
2005 59 738 12.5 40 2

[COLOR=DarkRed][B]3rd Choice [/B] [/COLOR]
[B]Kevin Devon Curtis #83[/B]

Height: 5-11
Weight: 186 lbs. Age: 27
Pos: WR
Experience: 3 years
College: Utah State
Drafted: Year:2003 Round:3 Pick:10, Rams

[COLOR=DarkRed][B]Curtis had the most production out of these WR’s . He also played in a system that was full of options for him to pull down 60 receptions when he plays opposite Holt & Bruce is a feat in itself. He too has the ability to stretch the field as well as playing a possession role. He could see some action in the return game as well.[/B][/COLOR]
REC 60 | YDS 801 | TD 6

SPLIT REC YDS AVG LNG TD
2005 60 801 13.4 83 6

[COLOR=DarkRed][B]4th Choice[/B] [/COLOR]
[B]Koren Robinson #18[/B]

Height: 6-1
Weight: 205 lbs. Age: 25
Pos: WR
Experience: 5 years
College: North Carolina State
Drafted: Year:2001 Round:1 Pick:9, Seahawks

[COLOR=DarkRed][B]Robinson could be the best of this bunch if it wasn’t for the possible baggage. From all accounts in Minnesota he was a great teammate and seamed to get his life back on track. He has the best combination of size and speed of this bunch, and probably the most upside. Oh and did I mention he is going to the Pro bowl as a returner.[/B][/COLOR]

REC 22 | YDS 347 | TD 1

SPLIT REC YDS AVG LNG TD
2005 22 347 15.8 80 1


[COLOR=DarkRed][B]5th Choice[/B][/COLOR]
[B]Joe Michael Jurevicius #87[/B]

Height: 6-5
Weight: 230 lbs. Age: 31
Pos: WR
Experience: 8 years
College: Penn State

[COLOR=DarkRed][B]I love this guy. He plays with so much heart. He would make a great possession receiver, which is what we really need. The only reason why he is 5th on this list is his age. At 31 years old he might actually cost to much to pry him away from Seattle. He had a monster year in the RedZone and could play a similar role for us.[/B][/COLOR]

REC 55 | YDS 694 | TD 10

SPLIT REC YDS AVG LNG TD
2005 55 694 12.6 52 10

I would not be dissapointed with any of these WR's. And it would be great to get two of them, although the salary cap could prevent that. It might be possible to sign a combination of Robinson and one of the other WR's. maybe...

Randle El & Robinson
Givens & Robinson
Curtis & Robinson

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good assessment, I agree. Hopefully R-el's hype hasn't driven his price up to insane levels, but if he comes here he may be the 3rd WR instead of the 2nd... he did much better in that role in pit. i'd rate curtis 1/2 in talent, but down him because he'd cost our 3rd, which i'd rather keep if possible.

I didn't think JJ would want to leave seattle, but seeing that he's only 31 and could play for 4 more years, maybe he'd consider moving. I doubt seattle is going to let him go very easily though since he's not going to command #1 money.

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You would think Randle El would have the Redskins at the top of his teams he would want to play for, if the pay is relatively even. He has not been able to reach his potential playing in Pittsburgh - he seems to be very underutilized. Chicago is his hometown, but I think he will go where he demonstrate his skills to the utmost, and that is here.

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good list. i'm not sure who'd i'd like to see in DC. randle el i don't think is the answer though i wouldn't complain. i'd like to see givens or JJ in DC i think.

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Nice list. A couple of flaws I see with your plan:

1. W/O a CBA we're not going to be able to sign anyone without cutting loose a few big names. Who would you propose to release? Don't include folks like Arrington or Ramsey, since it's almost a foregone conclusion they will not be part of the team in '06.

2. As far as signing Robinson and someone else, given his history of being a problem player, would he be #3 on the depth chart? If so, what benefit is it to sign him for a couple $MM other than punt returns?

3. Jurevicius would be good but I seriously don't see him going anywhere outside of Seattle. He was ready to retire at the end of '04 and I believe he lives in the NW which is why Seattle was able to coax him into 1 more year.

4. Randle El would certainly be the biggest impact player on the list, but he might be overkill in terms of filling our needs. Needless to say, after a good year, Super Bowl app, etc. he won't be a bargain basement FA. Don't see this happening because he will be able to command a high market value because of his versatility.

5. With all said, I think David Givens or Koren Robinson as a single signing would be the best move we could make. Givens gives us a solid complement to Moss as a #2 with Patton going to the #3. Robinson I don't know as much about regarding his receiving skills but he at least would give us a solid #3 with Patton in the #2 slot, plus he would add the dimension of being a punt returner.

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[QUOTE=LongTimeSkinsFan]Nice list. A couple of flaws I see with your plan:

1. W/O a CBA we're not going to be able to sign anyone without cutting loose a few big names. Who would you propose to release? Don't include folks like Arrington or Ramsey, since it's almost a foregone conclusion they will not be part of the team in '06.

2. As far as signing Robinson and someone else, given his history of being a problem player, would he be #3 on the depth chart? If so, what benefit is it to sign him for a couple $MM other than punt returns?

3. Jurevicius would be good but I seriously don't see him going anywhere outside of Seattle. He was ready to retire at the end of '04 and I believe he lives in the NW which is why Seattle was able to coax him into 1 more year.

4. Randle El would certainly be the biggest impact player on the list, but he might be overkill in terms of filling our needs. Needless to say, after a good year, Super Bowl app, etc. he won't be a bargain basement FA. Don't see this happening because he will be able to command a high market value because of his versatility.

5. With all said, I think David Givens or Koren Robinson as a single signing would be the best move we could make. Givens gives us a solid complement to Moss as a #2 with Patton going to the #3. Robinson I don't know as much about regarding his receiving skills but he at least would give us a solid #3 with Patton in the #2 slot, plus he would add the dimension of being a punt returner.[/QUOTE]

agree with you that first choices would be robinson or givens.. would also like to get boerigter who has fine size and knows the offense

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R-el is a good #3 and okay #2, he's not getting #1 money. he was more productive in the slot.

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you allready have a speed receiver you need a possession receiver either JJ or Robinson Rand is more of the same as moss you need someone to complement moss not duplicate.

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I agree that we need a guy who's big and can just CATCH the ball. I will disagree that it's not possible to be successful with two smaller, fast guys. Cooley is our possession receiver if you see him that way.

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Wasn't Randel El drafted in the third round?

Curtis and Givens are the 2 that intrigue me in this group. In the past we have taken guys on the verge of breakout seasons. Curtis filled in admirably for Bruce and holt during their injury ridden season.

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From what I have heard from people that understand the cap process, it is not going to be that hard to get under the cap without having to cut a bunch of people. Restructuring some key players, who I think will be more than willing to help us get back to the SB. Robinson will come to Washington cheap. Givens will cost us, how much I don't know, but probably do able. I also think a CBA will be signed.

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As much as I like JJ we need fresh legs. I also highly doubt he'll have a repeat of last years performance.

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I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but I still don't think we should look past Antonio Bryant as a possibility. I know he's a former Cowboy and had that run-in with Parcells, but I think he's worth a look.

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I like Randle El, but is there substancial difference b/n him and Patten. Patten, i think, can become a legit threat w/ an improving offense. I don't know the # comparison b/n the 2 but i would guess their YPC, would be similar. I may try go a cheaper route w/ Curtis, or Robinson (if gibbs sees fit).

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]I'm sure I'm in the majority here, but I still don't think we should look past Antonio Bryant as a possibility. I know he's a former Cowboy and had that run-in with Parcells, but I think he's worth a look.[/QUOTE]

move on, he's a lost cause with a attitude.

pick up Curtis, and draft Maurice Stovall

jacobs and brown, bye bye

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]I'm sure I'm in the majority here, but I still don't think we should look past Antonio Bryant as a possibility. I know he's a former Cowboy and had that run-in with Parcells, but I think he's worth a look.[/QUOTE]

I agree. I'd go with whoever was cheaper out of him and Randle-El.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]I'm sure I'm in the majority here, but I still don't think we should look past Antonio Bryant as a possibility. I know he's a former Cowboy and had that run-in with Parcells, but I think he's worth a look.[/QUOTE]

He is fast but he ain't worth the pretty penny he'll demand. Anyone that bitches about not getting enough passes thrown his way is trouble, trouble, trouble!

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]I agree that we need a guy who's big and can just CATCH the ball. I will disagree that it's not possible to be successful with two smaller, fast guys. Cooley is our possession receiver if you see him that way.[/QUOTE]

good point about Cooley but you need someone who lines up in the outside if not you become 1 dimmensional tell me 1 team that's been successful (in todays NFL don't quote redskins teams of the last gibbs era) with 2 smaller, fast guys?

I can't really think of 1

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no free agent reciever needed.patten coming back,moss and then drafting a young,hungry guy out of college who can CATCH(that means t jacobs is going bye bye)

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[QUOTE=jrocx69]move on, he's a lost cause with a attitude.

pick up Curtis, and draft Maurice Stovall

jacobs and brown, bye bye[/QUOTE]Stoval is the real deal. I really think he is a nice pick.... if we can still get him

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]I'm sure I'm in the majority here, but I still don't think we should look past Antonio Bryant as a possibility. I know he's a former Cowboy and had that run-in with Parcells, but I think he's worth a look.[/QUOTE]

I think its a better idea than Randle El. The fact that Wilbon mentioned him is worrisome to me because I know he talks privately with Gibbs. How many WR passes can you throw in a season? I think we need experience and hands more than anything. I want a receiver that can run a basic slant and hold on after he gets sandwiched by two defenders. I want a guy that can run a simple out, secure the ball and tap two feet. It would help if he could crack on the DE off of motion as well. I really think they should look at Keyshawn.

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I'd take bryant. I think he has a bone to pick with the cowboys, and I like that in my skins players

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The price for Robinson just went up. I just heard on NFL Network that the Vikings put a clause in his 1 year contract that they have the right to match any offer he receives and keep him in Minnesota. That means you will have to offer him more than you think MIN is willing to match.

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Anyone else worth rating?

We got Rabach before anyone here knew about him. He was the 11th ranked Offensive Guard. Not even rated as a C in FA last year!

Any FAs lower on the Radar? Come on! I know you guys know!

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I agree with several of the earlier posts...Get Randal if he's not to expensive, but i see him going to Chicago for GOOD money....then look at Patten or Robinson...I think the Pats will resign Patten though and Robinson will follow Tice out of Minn. showing loyalty to him because he gave him a chance...leaving us with Curtis or JJ...I love JJ, but he's to old, and he doesn't want to leave Seatle...We go for Curtis and if he doesn't sign then go after Bryant...and if Stovall falls to us in the 2nd round, we need to jump all over him even if we do sign a FA WR...we need depth, look what happened this year when Patten got hurt.

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character pretty much kills AB or KJ ever coming here. Stovall is probably the surest of the super tall receivers in the draft, but he also might be the slowest... I'd much rather get a DE and WR in FA and use the draft for best available at any need, instead of best (of a REALLY badcorp of) WR. I don't like lowering the incoming draft talent to desperately address a need a rookie probably won't even be able to fill for another year.

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[QUOTE=backrow]Anyone else worth rating?

We got Rabach before anyone here knew about him. He was the 11th ranked Offensive Guard. Not even rated as a C in FA last year!

Any FAs lower on the Radar? Come on! I know you guys know![/QUOTE]

Actaully people like me and matty said we'd be happy last year if Free agency opened and rabach was the only guy we brought in... cause raymer was really that bad. and he was rated as the best center prospect in FA in many local stories before we signed him as well.

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The 2004-2005 FA list that I saw, failed to include Rabach at C, but some of us had heard about him before FA opened up.

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[QUOTE=70Chip]I think its a better idea than Randle El. The fact that Wilbon mentioned him is worrisome to me because I know he talks privately with Gibbs. How many WR passes can you throw in a season? I think we need experience and hands more than anything. I want a receiver that can run a basic slant and hold on after he gets sandwiched by two defenders. I want a guy that can run a simple out, secure the ball and tap two feet. It would help if he could crack on the DE off of motion as well. I really think they should look at Keyshawn.[/QUOTE]

70Chip i agree with you that's what I had been saying you lack a wr that goes to the middle wit hgreat hand and no fear of the hit someone like Keyshawn but no way you're going to get him maybe in 2 years when he has nothing left in the thank you know how Snyder loves to sign lost causes.

But he isn't leving the cowboys and we aren't signing TO if that your answer all the talk recently about the cowboys and TO has stop it was just media buzz to write something.

we need a younger wr and we might go for someone in the second or thir round of the draft but no way we drop Glenn or KJ they did a great job this bast year with better o line help that gives Bledsoe more time and a fresh pair of legs this wr corps will look good.

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[QUOTE=backrow]The 2004-2005 FA list that I saw, failed to include Rabach at C, but some of us had heard about him before FA opened up.[/QUOTE]

the ravens made no secret they were letting him go weeks before FA started. Espn mentioned him too at least 2-3 times as well. He wasn't unknown.

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I know our past record has indicated that Snyder used to spend on overpriced, past-their-prime free agents. However, and because you're not a Skins fan I forgive you of this, Snyder, along with the rest of the organization have learned from those mistakes and I would say at least the majority of the players signed and drafted have panned out.

I hate when people STILL say "Snyder blows his money on ________." when that hasn't been the case in the past two years. Even after Gibbs is gone, you'd love to think that a man as smart as Dan is will have learned from his mistakes and what he learned while Gibbs was here.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]character pretty much kills AB or KJ ever coming here. Stovall is probably the surest of the super tall receivers in the draft, but he also might be the slowest... I'd much rather get a DE and WR in FA and use the draft for best available at any need, instead of best (of a REALLY badcorp of) WR. I don't like lowering the incoming draft talent to desperately address a need a rookie probably won't even be able to fill for another year.[/QUOTE]
I respectfully disagree about the character issue on Robinson. I think the Redskins will make a push for him. My only concern is the provision in his contract that gives the Vikings the ability to match any offer and keep him.

Just remember Riggo was stopped a few times for DUI.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]Snyder, along with the rest of the organization have learned from those mistakes and I would say at least 90% of the players signed and drafted have panned out.[/QUOTE]


no one has 90% pan out. 2004 5th round pick, 2005, 6th round pick, fiore, vaughn, barrow, to some extent harris or noble... there's tons more, but it'd alreay rule out 90% ;)

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[QUOTE=Dana87]I respectfully disagree about the character issue on Robinson. I think the Redskins will make a push for him. My only concern is the provision in his contract that gives the Vikings the ability to match any offer and keep him.

Just remember Riggo was stopped a few times for DUI.[/QUOTE]

I never mentioned a character issue on KR. KJ and AB yell at team mates though, its a different issue.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]no one has 90% pan out. 2004 5th round pick, 2005, 6th round pick, fiore, vaughn, barrow, to some extent harris or noble... there's tons more, but it'd alreay rule out 90% ;)[/QUOTE]

Where does it say 90%? I think you're seeing things. :biggthump

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]I know our past record has indicated that Snyder used to spend on overpriced, past-their-prime free agents. However, and because you're not a Skins fan I forgive you of this, Snyder, along with the rest of the organization have learned from those mistakes and I would say at least the majority of the players signed and drafted have panned out.

I hate when people STILL say "Snyder blows his money on ________." when that hasn't been the case in the past two years. Even after Gibbs is gone, you'd love to think that a man as smart as Dan is will have learned from his mistakes and what he learned while Gibbs was here.[/QUOTE]

I know he has learn something trough the years I was just rying to put some salt on the wound .... but hey its not like they have aced in their signing they have sign some FA (no big name ) that just haven't panned out Noble is 1 of them.

He has made some immprovemnt signing gibbs was the first and williams and Saulder are others it's like jerry in our case man when he was a big part of our drafts our team sucked our pics sucked we had years of busts his best move was signing Parcell and let him be charge of the team our 3 last draft have been pretty good if not great. and mostly all of our FA have been good (only rivera hasn't live up to the hipe)

They have to learn at some point they are bussines people and good 1 they didn't got their money by luck it jsut takes time 2 aknowledge you can't know and do everything that why you need people that can take care of those things.

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[QUOTE=D'BOYZ]I know he has learn something trough the years I was just rying to put some salt on the wound .... but hey its not like they have aced in their signing they have sign some FA (no big name ) that just haven't panned out Noble is 1 of them.[/QUOTE]

At least you admit that... :biggthump

I didn't say all the picks worked out, I just said the majority of them did (and before my edit I said 90%). I could definitely give a laundry list of players who have been great for the Skins that were bargain basement deals. If Noble hadn't had such a serious infection I think he would have been great in the rotation like he was in 2004. That kind of depth was the reason the Skins were the #3 defense in the league.

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And there's no wound that 35-7 can't heal. ;)

[img]http://www.foodsubs.com/Photos/picklingsalt5.jpg[/img] + 35-7 = [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2c/Thumbs_up.jpg/180px-Thumbs_up.jpg[/img]

Just wanted to give you some back. :)

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Good 1 enough said

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I've heard that Jacksonville might make a push for Robinson, now that his former Vikings coach Mike Tice is there.