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John Abraham will be franchised by the Jets on Feb. 23 and then will be traded to the Redskins for Patrick Ramsey or Lavar Arrington straight up. We have been tade partners with the Jets before and I can see the same thing happening again.

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Hopefully it's arrington, but Abraham's heart has been questioned in his carreer, I don't know if he's the kind of person Gibbs is looking for?

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ud rather trade arrington than ramsey?? franchising abraham would mean he would hav a big cap number, bad news

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[QUOTE=Big C]ud rather trade arrington than ramsey?? franchising abraham would mean he would hav a big cap number, bad news[/QUOTE]

I'm assuming it would also have to involve some sort of long-term contract...but then why franchise him? Just do a sign-and-trade. Could you elaborate on what "news" you are referring to? Whole thing seems unlikely to me at the moment...though a legit pass rusher like Abraham would be a blessing...

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[QUOTE=diehardskin2982]John Abraham will be franchised by the Jets on Feb. 23 and then will be traded to the Redskins. [/QUOTE]

No link, no story.

Nothing to see here folks. Now move along!

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We don't have the money to pay Abraham, which is exactly what he wants.....P......A......I.......D. PAID. And the Jets would be stupid to trade Abraham for Ramsey.......staight up......or Arrington for that matter. Keep dreaming man because that is exactly what this trade would be.

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The story has been reported that they would franchise him and then try to trade. The Redskins was one of three or four teams mentioned, however.

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if he's franchised there's no way we can take him.

abraham is greedy and has taken himself out of games (when healthy) before. he has talent, but i rather get someone else.

And they couldn't do a sign and trade because they wouldn't own the rights to JA without getting him under a contract first (like a franchise tag).

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[QUOTE=backrow]No link, no story.

Nothing to see here folks. Now move along![/QUOTE]

[url="http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=11019"]Link[/url]

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maybe he just needs a change of scenery.

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I dont know if this has been posted by some one or not, I didn't feel like reading all of the posts. The rumor is that the Jets may trade Abraham, but to the charges for Rivers or Breese. Probably Rivers. And if we trade him, it better be Ramsey. You cant have two first round QBs sitting on the bench. Plus if we keep him and he plays his ass off in the preseason and deserves a shot, it another QB controversy in Washington. we dont need that. Plus Arrington was a good player for our D the latter part of the season. He let the team in tackles for loss, even only playing in 2/3 the games. He should be 100% next year, plus I think he'll probably drop some weight in the offseason. It takes a year to get back to yourself after knee surgey like he had. It will be a big mistake for him to go.

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I agree LA will be much improved next season, considering the direction the team is going, I think he will want to be here. Therefore I believe he will restructure his contract to give the skins much needed cap relief, and he will be a consistant part of our TEAM as well as help leading our defense to a top 3 defense in the league.

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic]I dont know if this has been posted by some one or not, I didn't feel like reading all of the posts. The rumor is that the Jets may trade Abraham, but to the charges for Rivers or Breese. Probably Rivers. And if we trade him, it better be Ramsey. You cant have two first round QBs sitting on the bench. Plus if we keep him and he plays his ass off in the preseason and deserves a shot, it another QB controversy in Washington. we dont need that. Plus Arrington was a good player for our D the latter part of the season. He let the team in tackles for loss, even only playing in 2/3 the games. He should be 100% next year, plus I think he'll probably drop some weight in the offseason. It takes a year to get back to yourself after knee surgey like he had. It will be a big mistake for him to go.[/QUOTE]

You may be working off old news. Brees had shoulder surgery and chances are he's not going to be ready for the season opener. Odds are really slim that the Chargers would be willing to deal Rivers at this point.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]You may be working off old news. Brees had shoulder surgery and chances are he's not going to be ready for the season opener. Odds are really slim that the Chargers would be willing to deal Rivers at this point.[/QUOTE]this is off topic but if i was sd i would be scared to death about my qb situation. brees might not be ready and rivers has been holding a clipboard for 2 years now. the only real playing time he got was week 17 after brees got hurt and he looked lost.

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[QUOTE=gibbsisgod]this is off topic but if i was sd i would be scared to death about my qb situation. brees might not be ready and rivers has been holding a clipboard for 2 years now. the only real playing time he got was week 17 after brees got hurt and he looked lost.[/QUOTE]

If Rivers isn't ready to play at this point they're really in trouble.

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[QUOTE=offiss]Hopefully it's arrington, but Abraham's heart has been questioned in his carreer, I don't know if he's the kind of person Gibbs is looking for?[/QUOTE]

Ok his hearth hasn't been question he didn't play in the playoffs 2 years ago because he was hurth and he didn't had a contract and didn't wanted to risk further injury when he didn't knew he will get resign it was a bussiness decision

we as fan might not like it but I understand his point of view imagine he plays and agrevates the injury maybe to the point that he has to sit the next year or at least 8 month... no franchise tag, no signing bonus no nothing I'm sorry but it's his carrier if it ends early they don't have anything else going.... it's like the center of minesota this year Brith i think his name is he had an hernia needed surgery he said he would play hurth if the team warrenty his salary for the 2006 season the team didn't want 2 do that so he went to IR is passion but it also bussines they don't want to take risk if it going to mean no salary next year.


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BIG C ud rather trade arrington than ramsey?? franchising abraham would mean he would hav a big cap number, bad news

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The franchise tag is only to secure the player before the trade it mean squad once he is traded because the team the signs him allready has agreed with the player for a long term contract.

It just buys the team more time to make it happend and not lose him in FA and get nothing for him

but it's true he wants big time money, money you don't have so I don't see it happening and I also believe losing ramsey is way better than losing LA.

ANd with the CBA not sign yet you can only spred a singing bonus for 4 years that hurths the chances of a long term big contract

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[QUOTE=D'BOYZ]Ok his hearth hasn't been question he didn't play in the playoffs 2 years ago because he was hurth and he didn't had a contract and didn't wanted to risk further injury when he didn't knew he will get resign it was a bussiness decision

we as fan might not like it but I understand his point of view imagine he plays and agrevates the injury maybe to the point that he has to sit the next year or at least 8 month... no franchise tag, no signing bonus no nothing I'm sorry but it's his carrier if it ends early they don't have anything else going.... it's like the center of minesota this year Brith i think his name is he had an hernia needed surgery he said he would play hurth if the team warrenty his salary for the 2006 season the team didn't want 2 do that so he went to IR is passion but it also bussines they don't want to take risk if it going to mean no salary next year.




The franchise tag is only to secure the player before the trade it mean squad once he is traded because the team the signs him allready has agreed with the player for a long term contract.

It just buys the team more time to make it happend and not lose him in FA and get nothing for him

but it's true he wants big time money, money you don't have so I don't see it happening and I also believe losing ramsey is way better than losing LA.

ANd with the CBA not sign yet you can only spred a singing bonus for 4 years that hurths the chances of a long term big contract[/QUOTE]

Can someone provide us with a Nowegian/brokeback cowboy translation for the above? My spell check just will not correct it! Maybe it's the lack of punctuation, but I can't be sure. Do the schools in brokeback-cowboy land teach punctuation?

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[QUOTE=diehardskin2982]John Abraham will be franchised by the Jets on Feb. 23 and then will be traded to the Redskins for Patrick Ramsey or Lavar Arrington straight up. We have been tade partners with the Jets before and I can see the same thing happening again.[/QUOTE]
it would seem to make some sense
but you never know

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[QUOTE=offiss]Hopefully it's arrington, but Abraham's heart has been questioned in his carreer, I don't know if he's the kind of person Gibbs is looking for?[/QUOTE]

that and the fact that every time something bothers him he goes public with his complaints

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[QUOTE=Big C]ud rather trade arrington than ramsey?? franchising abraham would mean he would hav a big cap number, bad news[/QUOTE]

i do not think it will happen unless the skins and abraham can reach some kind of understanding as to what a long term deal would look like.. same as with moss

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[QUOTE=skinnyfan]We don't have the money to pay Abraham, which is exactly what he wants.....P......A......I.......D. PAID. And the Jets would be stupid to trade Abraham for Ramsey.......staight up......or Arrington for that matter. Keep dreaming man because that is exactly what this trade would be.[/QUOTE]

the jets are 30 mil over the cap and have major problems at qb. keeping abraham happy has proved to be elusive for them. they need to close the book on him and move on

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Backrow

Look man I'm from mexico English isn't my mother lenguage, if you can translate any thought of yours in fluent spanish I take my hat off but comming from a guy that doesn't have anything smart to say I don't expect much... If I remmeber correctly this is a football Skins Forum we come here to talk FOOTBALL this ain't a gramar test so if you have anything interesting to add FOOTBALL wise again I guess I'm asking to much,I will be more than happy to repply if not, keep your tought 2 yourself

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]If Rivers isn't ready to play at this point they're really in trouble.[/QUOTE]

brees might be ready.. if not, you are correct that rivers better be ready. so i see no trade for him for the time being

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i wouldn't trade lavar AND ramsey for that junxt . Now if we are talking draft picks i am all ears.


What could the skins sell ramsey and arrington together and seperately for in terms of draft picks?

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[QUOTE=BigSKINBauer]i wouldn't trade lavar AND ramsey for that junxt . Now if we are talking draft picks i am all ears.


What could the skins sell ramsey and arrington together and seperately for in terms of draft picks?[/QUOTE]

I'd be very happy with a 3rd rounder for Ramsey, but I'd take a 4th and like it. For Arrington I'd want a 2nd rounder, but I'd take a 3rd and like it.

There's no way you'd ever find a team that would take both Ramsey and Arrington at the same time. The NFL just doesn't work like that.

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I would trade Ramsey then but not arrington. NOT ARRINGTON!!! so we aren't ever gonna be able to package them together? What about a superduper trade. Our 3rd, ramsey, and arrington for their first and abraham. as you can see i suck at trade talk but put up a scenerio and i will say if i like it or not and abraham for arrington is no good for me.

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My link... it not saying anything but that its exspected that Jets will franchise him. But I could see this situation turning out like this because

A: It was rumored on ESPN that there was going to be a trade Ramsey for Abraham earlier in the season.

B: The deal could happen, it would be like the Champ for Portis deal. Numbers can always be worked out to fit under the cap.

C: Why would the jets do it?~ To get something for a person they would otherwise just lose for nothing in the offseason.

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[QUOTE=diehardskin2982]C: Why would the jets do it?~ To get something for a person they would otherwise just lose for nothing in the offseason.[/QUOTE]

In addition to the fact that Pennington is a huge question mark for this season and, basically, the rest of his career. Some experts are saying that his arm will never be as strong as it once was, others are saying it will take a very long time (more than one season or two) to get back to normal. So, Patrick Ramsey is not only a good short term option, but could also prove to be the long term solution. You never really know, Ramsey could have a great season and supplant Pennington or he could have a mediocre season and then be replaced by him. I think the deal would make since from the Jets standpoint because I heard a NY writer on Sirius saying there's no way they can pick at #5 and keep Abraham, they have to unload one or the other.

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JA is too expensive for our current situation. DE is a second need to WR, and while WR #2 and our draft picks wont cost much, a long term deal for JA would mean cutting people next year when his number explodes or this year. He's not a great charcter guy and he's not even a good character guy. He whines to the media, and gibbs HATES that.

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I gotta disagree, I think that DE should be the #1 priority. I think Patten will be fine if he and Brunell get together and develop some chemistry. I think depth at WR is the issue. I think this team needs a new starter at RE and we should move Daniels to LE. Wynn just isn't a very good football player, I think he's a great guy and he like his versatility, I just don't think he's a starter in these league.

If the Skins had a legit threat at DE the D would be insane. I think the offense should be concerned with getting more #3 and #4 wide receiver types. Possibly, a big, possession receiver, if they come cheap, but IMO DE is a far greater concern.

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[QUOTE=diehardskin2982][url]http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=11019[/url]

My link... it not saying anything but that its exspected that Jets will franchise him. But I could see this situation turning out like this because

A: It was rumored on ESPN that there was going to be a trade Ramsey for Abraham earlier in the season.

B: The deal could happen, it would be like the Champ for Portis deal. Numbers can always be worked out to fit under the cap.

C: Why would the jets do it?~ To get something for a person they would otherwise just lose for nothing in the offseason.[/QUOTE]

same as we did with coles.. get something for ramsey because we will get nothing for him after next year.

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[QUOTE=jdlea]In addition to the fact that Pennington is a huge question mark for this season and, basically, the rest of his career. Some experts are saying that his arm will never be as strong as it once was, others are saying it will take a very long time (more than one season or two) to get back to normal. So, Patrick Ramsey is not only a good short term option, but could also prove to be the long term solution. You never really know, Ramsey could have a great season and supplant Pennington or he could have a mediocre season and then be replaced by him. I think the deal would make since from the Jets standpoint because I heard a NY writer on Sirius saying there's no way they can pick at #5 and keep Abraham, they have to unload one or the other.[/QUOTE]


your last sentence is really key.. they could trade down and get more picks and still have a shot at cutler.. or they could trade down further and get a whole lot more picks and add ramsey solving the qb situation. either way, the cost of signing those picks would be less than a number 5 overall pick

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72][url="http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=11019"]Link[/url][/QUOTE]

Cool! Thanks Matty! Abraham has been rummored to be moving, and the B&G are one of the prospective teams he might move to.


PRam may be on his way out, but not for nothing. I kind of like what diehardskin2982 had to say:

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Originally Posted by diehardskin2982
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My link... it not saying anything but that its exspected that Jets will franchise him. But I could see this situation turning out like this because

A: It was rumored on ESPN that there was going to be a trade Ramsey for Abraham earlier in the season.

B: The deal could happen, it would be like the Champ for Portis deal. Numbers can always be worked out to fit under the cap.

C: Why would the jets do it?~ To get something for a person they would otherwise just lose for nothing in the offseason."


DaBoyz, here's some FB for you! We swept DaBrokebackBoyz, and the E-girls this year, went 5-1 in the NFC East, and we expect to do the same or better in '06!

Oh, and who did ya'll beat in the Playoffs this past ye........... Ohhhh, my bad! Ya'll didn't quite make it to any playoffs, did you!

And just where was your team when the Redskins won their First NFL Championship in the '30s?

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[QUOTE=jdlea]I gotta disagree, I think that DE should be the #1 priority. I think Patten will be fine if he and Brunell get together and develop some chemistry. I think depth at WR is the issue. I think this team needs a new starter at RE and we should move Daniels to LE. Wynn just isn't a very good football player, I think he's a great guy and he like his versatility, I just don't think he's a starter in these league.

If the Skins had a legit threat at DE the D would be insane. I think the offense should be concerned with getting more #3 and #4 wide receiver types. Possibly, a big, possession receiver, if they come cheap, but IMO DE is a far greater concern.[/QUOTE]

what failed us and caused our season to end? a better DE might help, but the defense played balls out at the end and offense died a horrible death.

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getting JA would let us focus our attention on getting a good wideout in the draft. Also I heard on Fox Sports Radio an scout could see us take either Koren Robinson or nate burleson

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[QUOTE=That Guy]what failed us and caused our season to end? a better DE might help, but the defense played balls out at the end and offense died a horrible death.[/QUOTE]

I agree that the WR were bad, however, I think if Patten hadn't gotten hurt they would have been fine. I don't think that a legit #2 is that important because I think we already have one. We do need more depth at WR, but I'm not of the opinion that it's as big of a need as everyone else. I think we should focus on getting a big, possession type guy to be the #3 wide out on this team, or possibly push Patten, but I don't think that it's the biggest hole. I definitely disagree that O Line depth is a bigger hole than DE.

I do think that the WR corps needs to be upgraded, but I don't think that we need a new starter. The Skins have needed a legit pass rusher for like a damn decade now, but they never pick that up.

As for what ended the season? That's debatable. The most glaring problem was the offense and the passing game. But Brunell was obviously banged up and was very ineffective. I'm not saying he should be replaced, or anything like that, but what I am saying is that the last few games would have looked much different if Brunell were healthy. I think if Brunell and Patten can develop a chemistry like he has with Moss and Cooley that there's no need to go out and spend a lot of dough on a #2 wide out. I think better depth is all we need.

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[QUOTE=diehardskin2982]John Abraham will be franchised by the Jets on Feb. 23 and then will be traded to the Redskins for Patrick Ramsey or Lavar Arrington straight up. We have been tade partners with the Jets before and I can see the same thing happening again.[/QUOTE]

There is no chance that they will trade Arrington this year. They can't take the cap hit. Ramsey is a possibility because he is pretty cap friendly but how would they pay Abraham who definitely wants a big payday?

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[QUOTE=ultimateskinsfan]I agree LA will be much improved next season, considering the direction the team is going, I think he will want to be here. Therefore I believe he will restructure his contract to give the skins much needed cap relief, and he will be a consistant part of our TEAM as well as help leading our defense to a top 3 defense in the league.[/QUOTE]


i hope everything you wrote right there comes true .

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i would take abrahams as long as he plays the good soldier.lavar needs to stay(as long as he wants to be a redskin)and ramsey isnt leaving unless mr campbell is ready to go.no way coach goes into the season without a quality backup

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The great thing about GW is that you don't need a bunch of big name superstars for the defense to shine. He can take undrafted FAs and get great production. My question is, if we get another team to accept a Lavar trade, do they assume the cap hit? Do we clear our books of him, or do we still bear some of the burden?

If we're off the hook for his cap hit in a trade scenario, we would be better off accepting draft picks or Special Teamers.