Ravens shopping Ray Lewis?
 

[quote]Lewis on the block?
[i]<Feb. 11>[/i] According to the Baltimore Sun, associates and friends close to Lewis have said that he doesn't want to play in Baltimore for the 2006 season. Ravens General manager Ozzie Newsome said the linebacker hasn't informed the team of any such intention, but did admit that Lewis had a recent meeting with team owner Steve Bisciotti in Florida, and said Lewis asked to be traded before the start of the 2005 season. he seven-time Pro Bowl performer actually went into a self-imposed isolation from the team last season after the Ravens declined to restructure his contract, which still has three years left.

League sources have said the Ravens were sending out "feelers" in a possible trade for Lewis, [b]but they haven't gotten more than a second- round draft pick in exchange.[/quote]
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Doesn't look good for our chances to get a high pick for Ramsey if someone like Ray Lewis isn't drawing more interest than just a 2nd rounder.

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i dont want him...hes overrated and will cost way too much

marshall is a good mlb, we dont need him anyway

maybe we'll get lucky with trading ramsey if a team is desperate

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Ray lewis was overrated in his prime, he is well past his prime.

Ramsey still hasnt reached his prime. there are many decent linebackers to take rays player, there arent many QB's with a talented upside.

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Ramsey may not reach his prime, or he is past his prime-which didnt last long.

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Ray Lewis isn't drawing much attention because he's old ~ 10 years in the league, comming off of injury who's gonna give a 1st for a player like that? nobody... Ramsey's gonna get more value. QB' s don't come along everyday. MLB's will apear on the team before a good QB will

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Wow, what's really interesting about that is I was just telling my brother the other day that there have been a lot of NFL scouts on the Tulane Campus this week. Tulane only really has one guy that I could see garnering this kind of attention and his name is Anthony Cannon. He's a MLB. The teams that I've seen are the: Ravens, Colts, Jags and Cowboys.

I thought it was very strange that the Ravens would be here considering they have Lewis, but I figured maybe it was cause he's on the downside of the hill and they wanted a long term solution.

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age and contracts r a big reason he probably isn't garnering much in trade talks and he's also coming off a somewhat serious injury after a pretty down year. and history has shown that the position most teams r willing to take a chance by giving up something maybe a little higher in value than they should is QB. I mean look at the Dolphins and AJ Feely :hitfan:

it's too bad the team didn't get rid of Ramsey when we still could have easily gotten a 1st rounder for him since the last 2 years his trade value has dramatically dropped.

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I wouldn't write off Lewis just yet, he was injured last year but the year before he had 146 tackles.

I think he's still got a few good years left, but you can't blame the Ravens for looking to get out from under his contract.

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lewis is no longer amongst the elite linebackers in this league,especially considering the salary he is going to command.and until campbell is ready to go,ramsey isnt going anywhere

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The reason it's hard to trade Lewis is the same reason (well, almost the same) it's hard for the Eagles to trade TO. The contract you'd inherit is outrageous.

The fact that he's on the blocks indicates he might get cut, which means he'd be out there for nothing. The Ravens haven't (yet) given him permission to find a new deal, so whoever trades anything for Lewis may be forced to abide by the contract he has. Unless a team knew they could substantially reduce his salary, he isn't worth trading for at all.

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They tried to trade him before last season and couldn't get anything better than a 2nd round draft pick offered for him. It had nothing to do with the contract the team would be getting with him, its the fact he wanted "peyton manning type money" and no one is gonna pay him that at this time in his career.

He was great a few years ago, but in recent years he's an undersized middle linebacker with several injuries in recent years, and he isn't the highlight reel he used to be. Think about it, how often was he shown this season...and its not just because the ravens were losing. Folks still talk about him like he's the greatest, but they are talking about the Lewis from 3 or 5 years ago.

Well, thats my .02 but I think you got ripped off. Basically, he wants out because he wants huge money, and no one is gonna pay huge money to a guy they picked up for a 2nd round draft pick.


Da Bum

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72][/b]

Doesn't look good for our chances to get a high pick for Ramsey if someone like Ray Lewis isn't drawing more interest than just a 2nd rounder.[/QUOTE]

Of course, age and contract have everything to do with that. Ramsey is a heck of a lot younger than Ray. Of course, Ramsey is not even close to the level Ray Lewis is.

I still say 4th rounder sounds right for Ramsey, 3rd if we're fortunate.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]Of course, age and contract have everything to do with that. Ramsey is a heck of a lot younger than Ray. Of course, Ramsey is not even close to the level Ray Lewis is.

I still say 4th rounder sounds right for Ramsey, 3rd if we're fortunate.[/QUOTE]

I agree. Third rounder would be a tremendous coup. The other opt ion might be to throw in extras with Ramsey (picks or players) to get a 2nd or late 1st, though we would probably get held up in this sort of deal.

Linebacker is a young man's position. Lewis would be well advised to take a decent offer and stay in Baltimore. He will not get the treatment that he is used to anywhere else. Those dumb SOBs in Maryland think he commands the dawn and they can keep him. Nobody else wants to deal with his bullshit.

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And I don't wanna' see that dance. :doh:

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That dance...folks make a big deal because Moss, the randy not the Santana, acted like he mooned the crowd. Yet somehom lewis' dance is great, and shows his passion for the game? what crap...not suprising though, everything I see from the guy makes me think the only class he ever had included a teacher.


Da Bum

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The ONLY way a team trades for Ray Lewis is if he agrees to a restructuring of his contract before the trade is consummated. Lewis is not the player he was a few years ago - - even though he is still a very good linebacker. The problem isn't that he can't play anymore; the problem is that he isn't nearly worth the huge cap number than he commands based on the contract he has.

I heard from a friend who has a contact near the Ravens FO that they HOPED to get a first round pick this year and maybe a fourth or fifth next year in exchange for Lewis. IF he would agree to a contract restructuring, they MIGHT actually get that kind of offer from a team that needs to upgrade the defense in order to make a significant run at a conference championship game next year.

The Skins don't fit that model in a couple of ways:

1. Their defense is fine.

2. They don't have a first round pick to trade this year.

With regard to Lewis being past his prime while Patrick Ramsey has yet to reach his prime, let me just say this. The Redskins better hope that Patrick Ramsey has not seen is prime already. Because if his best days have already been shown on the field, that might be one of the more horrid first round draft picks of the last 25 years. It might rank right up there with tony Manderich and company...

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I don't think Ramsey would represent an especially bad bust. Feature these Redskins firts rounders:

Heath Schuler 1994 QB Tenessee
Andre Johnson 1996 T Penn State

I'm giving passes to Desmond Howard and Bobby Wilson based on their SB rings. They, like Ramsey, were mere disappointments.

I'm also betting that 12th overall pick:

Yazoo Smith 1968 DB Oregon or 4th overall pick
Richie Lucas 1960 QB Penn State

didn't exactly set the world on fire, but that was before I was born. Maybe some veteran fans will remember them.

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70 Chip:

I tried to limit the damage by saying one of the worst picks in the last 25 tears. Gary Beban was another Skins first rund pick who stunk and dont even talk bout Ray Macdonald (was that his name?) the 250 lb fullback from Montana or Idaho back in the mid-60s. He was as useless as a chocolate teapot.

If we have seen the best of Partick Ramsey, then he was as useless as Heath Shuler. Neither of them was worth a bucket of warm spit. Now if Ramsey has more to show...

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Ray Mcdonald 1967 Idaho FB (13 overall)

I'm afraid that even if Ramsey has better days they will be somewhere else, so for us, he be a bust.

Also,

Don Allard 1959 QB Boston College (4th overall)

They drafted three straight QBs in the first round, the last being Norm Snead in '61.(from Dallas 1st overall?) No wonder they stunk for the following decade. Can you imagine the list of guys they passed on with those three picks? Sheesh.

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One thing that I believe intrigues teams to look at a Ray Lewis isn't necessarily his play anymore. He really brings leadership to the team, he commands respect from the players. Look what he did to Ed Reed, had him watching film at his house every single night. Thats the type of influence that could turn mediocre defenses into great ones.

While I don't see anyone giving up a first for old man Lewis, a 2nd I can see.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72][/b]

Doesn't look good for our chances to get a high pick for Ramsey if someone like Ray Lewis isn't drawing more interest than just a 2nd rounder.[/QUOTE]


that has always been a negative about trading ramsey... but, qb's usually have more value in the end than lb's so i would not overestimate lewis's value.

plus, he has taken a lot of hits over a career.

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[QUOTE=steveo395]i dont want him...hes overrated and will cost way too much

marshall is a good mlb, we dont need him anyway

maybe we'll get lucky with trading ramsey if a team is desperate[/QUOTE]


agrreed. why potentially weaken 2 positions by moving marshall. there is no guarantee he would play better onthe weakside now

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[QUOTE=Skins fan 44]Ramsey may not reach his prime, or he is past his prime-which didnt last long.[/QUOTE]


disagree. i think ramsey needs a change of scenery and a coaching staff that truly believes inhim.

looks like it won't be in arizona after the extension warner signed.

miami ? new orleans ? new york ???

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[QUOTE=jdlea]Wow, what's really interesting about that is I was just telling my brother the other day that there have been a lot of NFL scouts on the Tulane Campus this week. Tulane only really has one guy that I could see garnering this kind of attention and his name is Anthony Cannon. He's a MLB. The teams that I've seen are the: Ravens, Colts, Jags and Cowboys.

I thought it was very strange that the Ravens would be here considering they have Lewis, but I figured maybe it was cause he's on the downside of the hill and they wanted a long term solution.[/QUOTE]


i think lewis is going to become a role player instead of 3 down player.

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[QUOTE=skinsfanthru&thru]age and contracts r a big reason he probably isn't garnering much in trade talks and he's also coming off a somewhat serious injury after a pretty down year. and history has shown that the position most teams r willing to take a chance by giving up something maybe a little higher in value than they should is QB. I mean look at the Dolphins and AJ Feely :hitfan:

it's too bad the team didn't get rid of Ramsey when we still could have easily gotten a 1st rounder for him since the last 2 years his trade value has dramatically dropped.[/QUOTE]


nobody has ever offered the skins that high a pick fromthe beginning. eventhe bears weren't offering it when he wasn't signed early after drafting him.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I wouldn't write off Lewis just yet, he was injured last year but the year before he had 146 tackles.

I think he's still got a few good years left, but you can't blame the Ravens for looking to get out from under his contract.[/QUOTE]


the contract is the key. he either reduces and redoes it or i think he will be gone fromthe ravens

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]Of course, age and contract have everything to do with that. Ramsey is a heck of a lot younger than Ray. Of course, Ramsey is not even close to the level Ray Lewis is.

I still say 4th rounder sounds right for Ramsey, 3rd if we're fortunate.[/QUOTE]


you are probably right. might be some playing time clauses however.

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[QUOTE=70Chip]I don't think Ramsey would represent an especially bad bust. Feature these Redskins firts rounders:

Heath Schuler 1994 QB Tenessee
Andre Johnson 1996 T Penn State

I'm giving passes to Desmond Howard and Bobby Wilson based on their SB rings. They, like Ramsey, were mere disappointments.

I'm also betting that 12th overall pick:

Yazoo Smith 1968 DB Oregon or 4th overall pick
Richie Lucas 1960 QB Penn State

didn't exactly set the world on fire, but that was before I was born. Maybe some veteran fans will remember them.[/QUOTE]

yazoo was tragic. he would have been great had he not been injured.

add kent mcloughan or eugene epps to that list because they ended up signing with afl teams and the skins got zero for the picks

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[QUOTE=shallyshal]yazoo was tragic. he would have been great had he not been injured.

add kent mcloughan or eugene epps to that list because they ended up signing with afl teams and the skins got zero for the picks[/QUOTE]


lucas was a bust, totally... as was gary beban, a heisman winner.. or cotton speyrer, whom george allen never even wanted near the field...

that is why we were always looking up at the cowboys. brandt drafted rings around the skins

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[QUOTE=sportscurmudgeon]70 Chip:

I tried to limit the damage by saying one of the worst picks in the last 25 tears. Gary Beban was another Skins first rund pick who stunk and dont even talk bout Ray Macdonald (was that his name?) the 250 lb fullback from Montana or Idaho back in the mid-60s. He was as useless as a chocolate teapot.

If we have seen the best of Partick Ramsey, then he was as useless as Heath Shuler. Neither of them was worth a bucket of warm spit. Now if Ramsey has more to show...[/QUOTE]


macdonald actually lead the nation in rushing as a senior but NOBODY actually checked him out personally. he had 1 leg that was shorter than the other and played at a smaller school. he was also openly one of the first gay players and that did not go over too well with the vets..
he had a few terrific games inhis first year but that was it for him

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Good insight, try to fit it into one post though!

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10 posts in a row ;)

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[QUOTE=shallyshal]nobody has ever offered the skins that high a pick fromthe beginning. eventhe bears weren't offering it when he wasn't signed early after drafting him.[/QUOTE]

well I know I remember there being talk during the 2004 draft of the steelers being interested in ramsey and a pick for pittsburg's 1st rounder.

on a side note about trades, would anyone be opposed to shopping Ramsey and Betts for Ricky Williams and his extremely cheap contract. he would definitely provide a great change of pace when Portis needs a breather and showed this past year he is willing to take a back seat to a younger more talented rb. just a thought.

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Allow myself to qoute......................myself:


[QUOTE=70Chip]

Linebacker is a young man's position. Lewis would be well advised to take a decent offer and stay in Baltimore. He will not get the treatment that he is used to anywhere else. Those dumb SOBs in (undisclosed location) think he commands the dawn and they can keep him. Nobody else wants to deal with his bullshit.[/QUOTE]

...except maybe Greg Williams. [url="http://www.profootballtalk.com"]www.profootballtalk.com[/url] mentions in passing that the Redskins made a major play for Ray Lewis last week with an offer that involved both players and picks. I don't know how credible these guys are. They seem like a clearinghouse for spin from desperate agents. Did anyone else hear about this? From the rumormill:

"Still, don't expect a trade to happen. The Redskins offered a package of draft picks and various players last week, and the Ravens weren't interested."

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These guys were right on about alot of things.....McNabb's hernia, us trying to get Campbell, ST getting in trouble...they are more credible then people give them credit for. I would LOVE to see us get Ray unless it came at 56's expense. 56,52, and 53 is a scary group of LB's!!!!!!

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[QUOTE=skinsfanthru&thru]

on a side note about trades, would anyone be opposed to shopping Ramsey and Betts for Ricky Williams and his extremely cheap contract. he would definitely provide a great change of pace when Portis needs a breather and showed this past year he is willing to take a back seat to a younger more talented rb. just a thought.[/QUOTE]

A. Ricky is gone for a year
B. He is more of a speed guy then a power guy right now and not only would Betts be a better change of pace right now, he is also a hell of alot cheaper and younger.

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ray wants serious money, anyone looking for a big check is definately NOT coming here this year. PFT gets maybe 5%-10% of the rumors right, eventually even blind squirrels find a nut.

When skinsfan made that post i don't think ricky was gone for year yet.