Antonio Bryant
 

Heres a possible #2 guy that I haven't heard a lot about on the forum. He had 69 catches for over a 1000 yards with Dilfer and Frye throwing to him and apparently the Browns don't want to pay him big money (which from now on should be Synders nickname). Remember a few years ago he was going to be the Cowboys next big thing at Wide out. With that said I'm pretty sure he would relish the oppurtunity to play the Cowboys twice a year (especially since he had a fallout with Bill Parcells). Plus the DC area is kinda close to Pittsburgh where he played college ball. Is this our guy or what? Oh yeah did I mention the guys 6'2?

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I'd take him. The browns said something like they were going to let him explore the market and the way they said it it seemed like that is what antonio wanted. Antonio's agent said that it was humorous. NOthing antonio said could imply that he wanted to leave the browns. I don't know if they will make-up and kiss but if not i will be waiting for us to fly him a jet on March third

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He would be a good fit for our team. don't know much about his attitude.

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He is a cancer.

thats why dallas gave up on him; thats why clevelend is letting loose.

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[QUOTE=jamf]He is a cancer.

thats why dallas gave up on him; thats why clevelend is letting loose.[/QUOTE]

Well maybe Gibbs is the cure? Has he been a problem for the Browns? I know that the Browns have let players go in the past that move on to other team and did very well. Just look at Denver's front D line! Anything Dallas dose is not God gift to all football and what the Browns do is not saying anything as well. I am not saying he is our man for the #2 WR! Just saying people can change!

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Ofcourse I say bring him in let him talk to Gibbs, Saunders and the crew. If he signs at a minimum he could be signing on to get to the Superbowl! People know that the Redskins will only get better next season. Choice is simple to most FAs if ya want money goto the Cards or Texans. If ya want a ring Washington is a big possibilty. I'm always afraid of ex Cowboys. Ex Cowboys sons are fine, but Deion will forever leave a bitter, terrible taste.

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If he is such a cancer then why did he have a decent year with cleveland? After he left dallas he seemed to be fine. Maybe he did not like the way fat ass "TUNA" was treating him in dallas... I think that he would be a fine fit here. Yeah he blew up on Parcelles, so what? You didn't hear him blowing up on Davis or Romeo. Also, he is young this is only like his 4th or 5th year. I say that we should at least give him a look.

How can you compare Bryant, who is entering his 5th year, to an old washed up deion who was in his 12th year? Big difference...

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his attitude is t.o. like.jamf im with you,our team is getting close and we dont need him

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[QUOTE=Luxorreb]Deion will forever leave a bitter, terrible taste.[/QUOTE]


Deion was a Falcon/49er/Brokeback Mountain Cowboy before his stint with the B&G.

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[QUOTE=Redskins8588]If he is such a cancer then why did he have a decent year with cleveland?[/QUOTE]

Think about what you write.

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The dude is a head case. If he doesn't get balls thrown to him he acts like another TO, without the talent. If he didn't respect Parcells, what makes you think he will respect anyone on our staff. Thats why Dallas chucked him, thats why we should leave him alone. All he wants is the money. Its amazing how some of these guys play halfass until contract year. then have a pretty decent year, wine and cry about getting paid, so they can feed their family, and then just collect the checks and play halfass again. Thats what this guy is all about.

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He had a good year with no-name QB's in Cleveland but the fact they are so willing to let him walk has to tell you something.

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This guy is not the answer. He got in a physical confrontation with Parcells during a practice. Threw a towel in his face and cursed at him.

That's not what we want on our team. The guy obviously does not respect authority like he should. Redskin players should want to work hard in practice, they shouldn't resent a coach when he pushes them to work hard. Bryant is not what we want.

Give me David Givens.

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic]The dude is a head case. If he doesn't get balls thrown to him he acts like another TO, without the talent. If he didn't respect Parcells, what makes you think he will respect anyone on our staff. Thats why Dallas chucked him, thats why we should leave him alone. All he wants is the money. Its amazing how some of these guys play halfass until contract year. then have a pretty decent year, wine and cry about getting paid, so they can feed their family, and then just collect the checks and play halfass again. Thats what this guy is all about.[/QUOTE]

Amen. I have no interest in Bryant whatsoever.

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Guys, it is just like going to work for another lesser company in the same industry. Places like Cleveland and New Orleans and Arizonia are where washed-up player go to end their careers. I would not take anyone from any of those teams. That is unless we could get somehow get one of the Arizonia receivers!

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I have to disagree with all of you who don't think he would fit in here. You guys listen to the media and automaticly think it's all truth. The same media that is biaist against the skins. Why is he such a bad guy? I honestly can't remember ever hearing Bryant babying in the media about anything like TO. Did he get arrested for something that I missed. The tuna is a known asshole to his players, which is the compete opposite of Gibbs, who supports and deflects attention away from players. Do you guys hate on this man because he toasted our asses when he played us or something? I think he would complement moss, and is the type of player that we would look at. why?

1. He is Big, fast and has great hands.
2. He's young and on the verge of blowing up into a super star.
3. His average ypc is 14.8

on a side note: Alot of Pittsburgh players come from VA, I wonder where is he from?

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[QUOTE=diehardskin2982]I have to disagree with all of you who don't think he would fit in here. You guys listen to the media and automaticly think it's all truth. The same media that is biaist against the skins. Why is he such a bad guy? I honestly can't remember ever hearing Bryant babying in the media about anything like TO. Did he get arrested for something that I missed. The tuna is a known asshole to his players, which is the compete opposite of Gibbs, who supports and deflects attention away from players. Do you guys hate on this man because he toasted our asses when he played us or something? I think he would complement moss, and is the type of player that we would look at. why?

1. He is Big, fast and has great hands.
2. He's young and on the verge of blowing up into a super star.
3. His average ypc is 14.8

on a side note: Alot of Pittsburgh players come from VA, I wonder where is he from?[/QUOTE]

Just because a coach is a "known asshole", that does not give you the excuse to be insubordinate and throw a towel in his face and curse at him. If you don't like your boss' demeanor you still have to do your job. And don't mistake Joe Gibbs for a softy. He will come down on a player when it's necessary, and I don't want that player reacting by throwing a towel in his face. He's not a Gibbs player, to suggest otherwise is downright crazy. It's almost like you don't know Joe Gibbs at all.

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again i say no, no, and more no......

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[QUOTE=diehardskin2982]I have to disagree with all of you who don't think he would fit in here. You guys listen to the media and automaticly think it's all truth. The same media that is biaist against the skins. Why is he such a bad guy? I honestly can't remember ever hearing Bryant babying in the media about anything like TO. Did he get arrested for something that I missed. The tuna is a known asshole to his players, which is the compete opposite of Gibbs, who supports and deflects attention away from players. Do you guys hate on this man because he toasted our asses when he played us or something? I think he would complement moss, and is the type of player that we would look at. why?

1. He is Big, fast and has great hands.
2. He's young and on the verge of blowing up into a super star.
3. His average ypc is 14.8

on a side note: Alot of Pittsburgh players come from VA, I wonder where is he from?[/QUOTE]I have to disagree with you that the Tuna is an AH to his players. The only ones that don't get along with Tuna are the one's not willing to work hard which he expects from all his players. If he was such an AH why have so many of his former players joined the Cowboys. I'm not a fan of the Tuna but he does know how to win. We where just a little better than them this year. I just had to add that.

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Other than being a little younger than David Patten, what has Antonio Bryant done that makes him better than Patten? I mean Patten is on our team and Brunell did not even look at him more than 5-6 times a game. I don't see anyone else getting any more looks than that, no matter who they are. Maybe Saunders will change all of that, but the Skins are a running team that tries to hit the big one to Moss every once in a while and goes to Cooley underneath. I agree that we need another receiver, but I don't see Bryant as a significant upgrade to Patten.

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Didnt he hit fatcells in the face with a towel?, that was too funny ,but if the guys attitude has changed then give him a shot,if not keep him as far away from Redskins Park as possibly

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Parcells continously dug into him, cursing at him, belittling him and degrading him. After a while he had to explode. He walked away and Parcells followed him continuing to dig into him. Nobody takes that from their boss or atleast I don't.

I don't know Gibbs?!? OK~ I do know that Gibbs style is not to Curse at his players. He respects them as men and asks them to not disrespect the team. I never heard Bryant having a problem like this in cleveland. I never said Gibbs was soft. do not misconstrue my words.
I think Antonio would benefit greatly in a Gibbs run organization. Bryant has no history of drug problems, or any other problems other than this parcells thing...
So what, he disrespected a team I hate... I'm willing to forgive him for that. There is no reason to believe he will do the same with us period.

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[QUOTE=diehardskin2982]Parcells continously dug into him, cursing at him, belittling him and degrading him. After a while he had to explode. He walked away and Parcells followed him continuing to dig into him. Nobody takes that from their boss or atleast I don't.

I don't know Gibbs?!? OK~ I do know that Gibbs style is not to Curse at his players. He respects them as men and asks them to not disrespect the team. I never heard Bryant having a problem like this in cleveland. I never said Gibbs was soft. do not misconstrue my words.
I think Antonio would benefit greatly in a Gibbs run organization. Bryant has no history of drug problems, or any other problems other than this parcells thing...
So what, he disrespected a team I hate... I'm willing to forgive him for that. There is no reason to believe he will do the same with us period.[/QUOTE]

Why in God's name are you so adamant about getting this guy when there are other WRs who would be good locker room guys and offer comparable skills???

Explain to me why Antonio Bryant is so special. I just don't get it. He's had one decent season. You know who else had one decent season? Rod Gardner.

Besides, it's a moot point. There's no way in hell Gibbs will want this dude.

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[QUOTE=diehardskin2982]Parcells continously dug into him, cursing at him, belittling him and degrading him. After a while he had to explode. He walked away and Parcells followed him continuing to dig into him. Nobody takes that from their boss or atleast I don't.

I don't know Gibbs?!? OK~ I do know that Gibbs style is not to Curse at his players. He respects them as men and asks them to not disrespect the team. I never heard Bryant having a problem like this in cleveland. I never said Gibbs was soft. do not misconstrue my words.
I think Antonio would benefit greatly in a Gibbs run organization. Bryant has no history of drug problems, or any other problems other than this parcells thing...
So what, he disrespected a team I hate... I'm willing to forgive him for that. There is no reason to believe he will do the same with us period.[/QUOTE]I'm just curious how you know that Parcells continously dug into him, cursed at him, belittling him, and degrading him?

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There are people that defend TO, so I guess it shouldn't be surprising that someone would defend Bryant.

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My objection would be to his skills more than his "attitude" or "character" which people seem to be obsessing over lately. If he were any great improvement over Patten, the Browns would not treat him so casually. He is a middle of the road type talent. We could do better.

Having said that, can we back off the whole character thing a bit? First, none of us knows what these players are really like. We know what their images are. Second, there seems to be an impression that Gibbs only wants Choir Boys. I have never seen any evidence of this. Yes, he does want grown men, who show up for work and are self-starters and all the qualities that any employer would want, but at the end of the day its all about performance on the field. I'm not saying Bryant falls into this category, in fact I suspect he is too immature as demonstrated by Parcells. The kid failed that little test. But, I don't believe that the Redskins expect their players to be candidates for sainthood. Its okay to have a personality.

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The problem is this year's free agent crop of wr's is just a joke. It's probably our biggest area of need and that puts us in a real bind. We actually have to debate over the likes of Antonio Bryant and Koren Robinson? Wow that's bad! I say sign Givens away from the Patriots. Even if we have to overpay him a little bit. He is coming from a championship team and he is a good character guy and did I mention his last name isn't Bryant or Robinson. My two cents is that nobody even brings up guys like Bryant and Robinson in the meetings because Joe Gibbs would assume they had been drinking moonshine on the job.

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[QUOTE=diehardskin2982]I have to disagree with all of you who don't think he would fit in here. You guys listen to the media and automaticly think it's all truth. The same media that is biaist against the skins. Why is he such a bad guy? I honestly can't remember ever hearing Bryant babying in the media about anything like TO. Did he get arrested for something that I missed. The tuna is a known asshole to his players, which is the compete opposite of Gibbs, who supports and deflects attention away from players. Do you guys hate on this man because he toasted our asses when he played us or something? I think he would complement moss, and is the type of player that we would look at. why?

1. He is Big, fast and has great hands.
2. He's young and on the verge of blowing up into a super star.
3. His average ypc is 14.8

on a side note: Alot of Pittsburgh players come from VA, I wonder where is he from?[/QUOTE]

What is proven about that ass hole is the fact that all the players have RESPECT for him. and ask any of them and they will all play for that guy above anyone else. You didn't hear anything from the guy because it was a contract year. all head cases are like that, so they can land that nice fat contract. We dont need a "potential problem" in the locker room. He is not a pro-bowler that you may overlook some things and say, well lets take the risk. He had one decent year, so what. Peerless price had one decent year, now look where he's at. Alot of receivers have 1 good year, then go to crap. Pay a proven vet, that will work hard and not bitch about catching balls. Its a shame Trash stinks, becuase he works harder than anyone and never complains about anything.

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[QUOTE=diehardskin2982]Parcells continously dug into him, cursing at him, belittling him and degrading him. After a while he had to explode. He walked away and Parcells followed him continuing to dig into him. Nobody takes that from their boss or atleast I don't.


I don't know Gibbs?!? OK~ I do know that Gibbs style is not to Curse at his players. He respects them as men and asks them to not disrespect the team. I never heard Bryant having a problem like this in cleveland. I never said Gibbs was soft. do not misconstrue my words.
I think Antonio would benefit greatly in a Gibbs run organization. Bryant has no history of drug problems, or any other problems other than this parcells thing...
So what, he disrespected a team I hate... I'm willing to forgive him for that. There is no reason to believe he will do the same with us period.[/QUOTE]

That is how Parcells weeds out the boys from the men. Dont you remember the Terry Glen issue, when he was asked how Terry practiced, he said "she did ok", now where is Glenn playing. Glen has earned parcells respect after that incident, Brown earned nothing, thats why his ass got shown the door.

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First: A. Bryant is not my choice for Wide out. I want to draft Martin Nance from the Miami of Ohio. If you don't know who he is look him up. I want Martin to battle with Patten for the 2nd WR spot.

Secondly bryant has consistently gotten better since leaving the cowboys and thats a fact. He' s been there for 2 seasons and we never heard anything negative from him since going to the Browns.

When someone says, "I don't want to get him because the browns are willing to let him go," is weak. We let Pierce go explore the market, was he weak for us? How about for the Giants?

I just hate people rejecting the idea of getting players for weak excuses, like so called attitude . Portis is weird, Springs had a DUI and Taylor has Gun charges.... but they are still on the team. If you can play and produce for the team in a positive manner your a Gibbs Guy.

People listen to the media and think its golden. I worked for a football team and let me tell you, everything isn't what it seems. There is stuff that happens behind closed doors. The media is manipulated to say what the teams want them to say and there are Biast. please evaluate people on talent rather than character because I don't think any of you know these people personally.

lastly, thats what I do play devils advocate :FIREdevil

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[QUOTE=scowan]Other than being a little younger than David Patten, what has Antonio Bryant done that makes him better than Patten? I mean Patten is on our team and Brunell did not even look at him more than 5-6 times a game. I don't see anyone else getting any more looks than that, no matter who they are. Maybe Saunders will change all of that, but the Skins are a running team that tries to hit the big one to Moss every once in a while and goes to Cooley underneath. I agree that we need another receiver, but I don't see Bryant as a significant upgrade to Patten.[/QUOTE]

I dont want bryant, but
In 9 years patten has put up 3700 yards. Bryant in 4 years has put up 3100 yards.

Patten is a mediocre player at best. i have no idea why people think he is a #2 WR.
Bryant is a very talented player. very talented.
But when things dont go his way, he turns into a child...

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Bryant would be a better addition than Randle-El and he would be cheaper.

For all of these people who talk about receivers being "cancers" who do you recommend? Show me a good receiver who isn't selfish. In today's league a team has to take chances.

Bryant has shown that he can be a number one and that is all I care about. You aren't going to find a free agent who fits your criteria and will fit in our cap so I say sign a young talent who has the potential to go to the probowl.

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Man this thread didn't blow up in my face at all!!!

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The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.

Go and look as the behavior of Mr. Bryant in college at Pitt and in Dallas and in Cleveland. What do you conclude that might predict for his future behavior wherever he might be?

I'll suggest "Pain In The Ass" would be a good guess...

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[QUOTE=jamf]
But when things dont go his way, he turns into a child...[/QUOTE]

And doesn't that say it all right there?

When the going gets tough, you don't want guys throwing fits or pouting.

That's not the kind of player Gibbs is looking for.

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[QUOTE=diehardskin2982]Parcells continously dug into him, cursing at him, belittling him and degrading him. After a while he had to explode. He walked away and Parcells followed him continuing to dig into him. Nobody takes that from their boss or atleast I don't.
[/QUOTE]


if they're you're boss, either quit or deal with it... doing what you're told is why you're getting paid. Acting like a 5 year old isn't ever the answer and there's really no good defense to his actions. It would be entirely possible to ask for a trade without being a moron too.

[QUOTE=70Chip]
Having said that, can we back off the whole character thing a bit? First, none of us knows what these players are really like. We know what their images are. Second, there seems to be an impression that Gibbs only wants Choir Boys. I have never seen any evidence of this. Yes, he does want grown men, who show up for work and are self-starters and all the qualities that any employer would want, but at the end of the day its all about performance on the field. I'm not saying Bryant falls into this category, in fact I suspect he is too immature as demonstrated by Parcells. The kid failed that little test. But, I don't believe that the Redskins expect their players to be candidates for sainthood. Its okay to have a personality.[/QUOTE]

Gibbs character thing isn't about criminal records and offseason incidents, its sabout the lockerroom and it is real. Part of the reason coles is gone is because he didn't jump to brunell's defense fast enough. Taylor has a lot of off field problems, but he's not calling out teammates, he does what's expected and plays hard. Gibbs just doesn't want negative people and cancers. If you keep a guy like byrant after he starts throwing things at a coach, it lets the players know that s**t like that will be tolerated, and that, of course, is A Bad Thing®.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]if they're you're boss, either quit or deal with it... doing what you're told is why you're getting paid. Acting like a 5 year old isn't ever the answer and there's really no good defense to his actions. It would be entirely possible to ask for a trade without being a moron too.

Gibbs character thing isn't about criminal records and offseason incidents, its sabout the lockerroom and it is real. Part of the reason coles is gone is because he didn't jump to brunell's defense fast enough. Taylor has a lot of off field problems, but he's not calling out teammates, he does what's expected and plays hard. Gibbs just doesn't want negative people and cancers. If you keep a guy like byrant after he starts throwing things at a coach, it lets the players know that s**t like that will be tolerated, and that, of course, is A Bad Thing®.[/QUOTE]

You look at one incident and act like the guy is the Antichrist... GET REAL!! outside of the towel thing name another incident.

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If Bryant will go over the middle, I want him. I have no problem with him throwing a towel in Parcell's face. He should have been the starter but Mild Bill brought in the 95 Pro Bowl squad to start ahead of him. He knew he could thrive, and Parcells didn't let him. As for the Browns letting him go, I think it might be because they have Edwards and Northcutt and they have a lot of other more important needs to address this offseason. I watch a hell of a lot of football and other than the towel incident, I have seen nothing to show that this guy can't be a very good #2.

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Don't want Bryant, especially since he allegedly has attitude problems. Forget him.

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A lot of people are questioning why the Browns are letting him go. Here are a couple reasons: Kellen Winslow will be back and Braylon Edwards is there main threat. He wasn't going to be to much of a factor in there offense or lack there of. No sense in paying a guy a lot of money who isn't going to get that many balls thrown his way. Just a couple things to think about, just don't go jumping the gun assuming hes a cancer and thats why there letting him go.