Uncapped year - Bad for Gibbs, Good for Williams
 

According to Upshaw today a new CBA seems unlikely (which may be smoke). If this happens it will be painful for the Skins right now but they also say that if the league goes uncapped it probably will never get the cap back (also hard to believe). If these things hold true it will be only a matter of time before Snyder turns this team into the Yankees of the NFL, while smaller marketed teams become doormats (sorry GB).

My question is this - If this happens will winning the Super Bowl seem as sweet for us diehard fans knowing that the playing field was uneven?

Re: Uncapped year - Bad for Gibbs, Good for Williams
 

Interesting points, but I don't understand the thread's title. How is the uncapped year bad for Gibbs and good for Williams?

Also, this probably should be discussed in the long and ongoing thread about the salary cap analysis.

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[QUOTE=81forHOF]According to Upshaw today a new CBA seems unlikely (which may be smoke). If this happens it will be painful for the Skins right now but they also say that if the league goes uncapped it probably will never get the cap back (also hard to believe). If these things hold true it will be only a matter of time before Snyder turns this team into the Yankees of the NFL, while smaller marketed teams become doormats (sorry GB).

[b]My question is this - If this happens will winning the Super Bowl seem as sweet for us diehard fans knowing that the playing field was uneven?[/b][/QUOTE]
yes it will be as sweet

the media won't think that...they'll just say its cuz snyder is so rich, but i dont care

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I dont care either, winning is winning. Too bad we cant buy draft picks.

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i don't care about the media. i care about people, I know, saying the skins could never win with the salary cap, blah blah blah. i don't want to be the yankees. I hate baseball because of that.

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we basically did that before the cap by hiding guys on injured reserve.winning is what its all about,regardless of how it happens.do you think steeler fans think less of their victory because of the crappy job the refs did?i bet they dont care at all

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[QUOTE=BigSKINBauer]i don't care about the media. i care about people, I know, saying the skins could never win with the salary cap, blah blah blah. i don't want to be the yankees. I hate baseball because of that.[/QUOTE]

I think baseball is actually BETTER becuase of that. When is the last time the Yanks have won the series?? It was back when they did things right. At least now we can take care of our own guys, and not get into situations like we did with Smoot and Perice last season. At this point, if its not signed, I think in a way you have to conceede the 2006 season. Not totally, but in terms of personell, you have to make sure you can have the turnover of guys as 2007 and beyond occurs.

And if we become the Yankees, I dont really give a crap. I'd sell my soul for a Super Bowl win, I really dont care how it comes.

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No salary cap means we win.
We have SICK money and players want to play for Gibbs.

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Didn't we learn anything with Deion, Big Daddy, etc.

You can't just buy a team. So much goes into making a productive team, it takes those guys willing to do the dirty work. A work ethic most "stars" refuse to take on. At first I was excited at the chance to have an uncapped year, but I don't want it anymore. However, I think the league realizes how important the cap is and will drop the revenue sharing down.

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yes, we did learn.
We brought Gibbs back.

peace

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[QUOTE=BigSKINBauer]i don't care about the media. i care about people, I know, saying the skins could never win with the salary cap, blah blah blah. i don't want to be the yankees. I hate baseball because of that.[/QUOTE]

I couldn't agree more! One of the reasons that the NFL is so great right now is that you never know who is going to win it all. The Yankees have completely ruined baseball. It's not worth it although I won't be too upset if we have a 250 million dollar payroll and our backup safety is Ed Reed.

Re: Uncapped year - Bad for Gibbs, Good for Williams
 

The skins can win with a level playing field. We proved that this year. We are one or two players away from a legit Super Bowl run.

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[QUOTE=jamf]I dont care either, winning is winning. Too bad we cant buy draft picks.[/QUOTE]
With no cap, I would say that buying draft picks would definitely be a possibility.

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The NFL without a cap would be a disaster IMO, I'm really hoping they hammer something out at the last minute.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]The NFL without a cap would be a disaster IMO, I'm really hoping they hammer something out at the last minute.[/QUOTE]

Well it looks like it is a done deal friend!!! Out here on the left coast the 49er owner said he see a very dark out look on a new CBA on KMBR! Also Al Davis has said thursday in the SF newspaper he believed that it was highly unlikey that a labor agreement would get done. Talk about killing the golden gosse and both sides :duel: are at falt!

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the skins would need to clear 8-10mill in salary this year beyond the projected cuts... that's a lot of money and with the current contracts cutting starters doesn't save much more than 500k a pop (2006 salary - 2006 release fee = savings). Everyone is backloaded on the same schedule hoping for a boom in cap when the new TV contracts come through. We're probably in the worst situation for a dead CBA. Jets and raiders have contracts they can toss with tiny release fees, we don't :/.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]the skins would need to clear 8-10mill in saslary this year beyond the projected cuts... that's a lot of money and with the current contracts cutting starters doesn't save much more than 500k a pop (2006 salary - 2006 release fee = savings). Everyone is backloaded on the same schedule hoping for a boom in cap when the new TV contracts come through. We're probably in the worst situation for a dead CBA. Jets and raiders have contracts they can toss with tiny release fees, we don't :/.[/QUOTE]

The boom in TV money will be big for the owners as you said....So is it a good thing for the owners not to get a CBA done?

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[QUOTE=RedskinPete]The boom in TV money will be big for the owners as you said....So is it a good thing for the owners not to get a CBA done?[/QUOTE]

no, the skins structured all their contracts to be backloaded when the new tv contracts come through while assuming a new cba would just get done. the new tv contracts come AFTER when this CBA is supposed to be done though. If it doesn't get done, then we have to ditch guys left and right due to the heavy restrictions placed on the last year of an existing CBA, and by the time new tv deals happen there won't be a cap anyways.

no new CBA is the worst possible situation for the skins this season, as this team has a terrible contract roster for cap management going into a dead CBA - probably the worst with how the backloading is all taking effect this year and next.

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The reason for the thread's title is becuase if this plays out we will take an immediate hit that would probably mean Gibbs won't get another SB before the coaching timeframe he alloted himself runs out, but once GW takes over we will be in a postion to buy all the talent we need.

I also agree that it takes more than money to win, but as you pointed out sometimes it only takes that one or two guys to get you over the hump.

To answer my own question - I guess I'd be fine with it, afterall i enjoyed the 80's when Big Jack (best owner ever) used his wallet to our advantage. What inspired the question is the amount of people I meet who say they don't like the Skins because Snyder tries to buy a Super Bowl - and that is during the salary cap era. And I also admit I don't root for the Yankees because of this (the fact i grew up near baltimore is another reason).

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[QUOTE=Daseal]Didn't we learn anything with Deion, Big Daddy, etc.

You can't just buy a team. So much goes into making a productive team, it takes those guys willing to do the dirty work. A work ethic most "stars" refuse to take on. At first I was excited at the chance to have an uncapped year, but I don't want it anymore. However, I think the league realizes how important the cap is and will drop the revenue sharing down.[/QUOTE]

It wouldn't necessarily be the same situation as in 2000, Daseal. It would be like it was back in the 80's when we kept a good team pretty much all the time, because we could pay what we needed to pay our players to keep them together. If we have a potiential Super Bowl team, I would want to keep that team together as long as I possibly could.

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People do realize that the 2007 uncapped season is supposed to be followed up by a strike in 2008, right?

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What I don't understand is why would the players strike. They will be making a shit load of money in some places if there is not cap

I guess some would get pissed at others gettin 25x the amount they got but...

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]People do realize that the 2007 uncapped season is supposed to be followed up by a strike in 2008, right?[/QUOTE]

We seem to do pretty well during strike years. :)

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[QUOTE=skinsguy]We seem to do pretty well during strike years. :)[/QUOTE]

Good point, but I don't want to see another strike. A strike may or may not happen in 2008 if a deal isn't reached, but I don't want to find out.

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the strike would be for a higher percentage of revenues, BUT if the union decertifies and everything goes crazy, it means no cap, no minimum team salary (hello clippers franchises), no draft, no one way contracts (injuries can probably stop payment since they prevent a player from doing they're job, but MLB situation like sammy sosa getting $18mill to suck and suck hard would be tough luck for the owners who wouldn't be able to opt out of payment like they cap now).

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[QUOTE=jamf]Too bad we cant buy draft picks.[/QUOTE]
LOL

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[color=black][font=Verdana]This is football, unlike baseball or even basketball having the most talented guys on the field doesn't guarantee a win. Football is the ultimate "team sport", it's all about who plays better as a team. Consider the Patriots, they've created a dynasty and if you ask me with the exception of Tom Brady, there best player is the kicker. There team is not built with stars, but rather chemistry. Some of there best players would be mediocre at best if they were on other teams. If we can keep our core guys together (unlike recent years) we too will soon be saying "Win one for the thumb"...with or without a cap.[/font][/color]

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[QUOTE=Skins_4_Lyfe][color=black][font=Verdana]This is football, unlike baseball or even basketball having the most talented guys on the field doesn't guarantee a win. Football is the ultimate "team sport", it's all about who plays better as a team. Consider the Patriots, they've created a dynasty and if you ask me with the exception of Tom Brady, there best player is the kicker. There team is not built with stars, but rather chemistry. Some of there best players would be mediocre at best if they were on other teams. If we can keep our core guys together (unlike recent years) we too will soon be saying "Win one for the thumb"...with or without a cap.[/font][/color][/QUOTE]

good front seven (richard seymour anyone?), rodney harrison (when not on IR), they had ty law... plenty of people better than vinetari on that roster.