Stephen Davis
 

According to NFL.com the Panthers are probably gonna cut Stephen Davis in the next week. Do we have a use for him? I'd be willing to sign him at a league minimum. Any thoughts on where he might end up? Does he have gas left in the tank?

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no, he doesn't, he hit the wall, he's always been injury prone and its a wasted roster spot... plus he still thinks the skins did him wrong by not giving him 10mill a year.

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We hit on this a few weeks ago

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=10642&highlight=stephen+davis[/url]

I think the answer is still a big fat no. He doesn't have much left.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]no, he doesn't, he hit the wall, he's always been injury prone and its a wasted roster spot... plus he still thinks the skins did him wrong by not giving him 10mill a year.[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure where you're getting the 10mil a year from. It seems a bit of a stretch that he wanted 10mil a year, when he had just restructured his deal, the season before he was cut, to help create cap room for the team. That deal was about 6.5mil a year. When he was cut, he settled on a a deal with Carolina, for about 3mil a year. That's a pretty big step down from 10mil a year.

As far as him coming back to Washington; I don't think he has enough left in the tank to be productive.

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[QUOTE=Southpaw]I'm not sure where you're getting the 10mil a year from. It seems a bit of a stretch that he wanted 10mil a year, when he had just restructured his deal, the season before he was cut, to help create cap room for the team. That deal was about 6.5mil a year. When he was cut, he settled on a a deal with Carolina, for about 3mil a year. That's a pretty big step down from 10mil a year.

As far as him coming back to Washington; I don't think he has enough left in the tank to be productive.[/QUOTE]

it was the headline when spurrier decided to say no thanks.

6.5 would have been way too much too.

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I much as I liked Davis when he was a Redskin and feel he should retire a Redskin, I dont think he has a place on this team. we have Betts as the back up and Broughton will play a bigger role this year on short yardage, and if he plays well could get a few carries during the games.

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i would bring him back at league mininum for a third down,short yardage back to try an save some wear and tear on c portis

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[QUOTE=Southpaw]I'm not sure where you're getting the 10mil a year from. It seems a bit of a stretch that he wanted 10mil a year, when he had just restructured his deal, the season before he was cut, to help create cap room for the team. That deal was about 6.5mil a year. When he was cut, he settled on a a deal with Carolina, for about 3mil a year. That's a pretty big step down from 10mil a year.

As far as him coming back to Washington; I don't think he has enough left in the tank to be productive.[/QUOTE]
The $10mill figure comes from the 9 year/ $90million contract he signed in 2000.

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That ships sailed. He's done. he can't play anymore. It's a waste of a roster spot...

The short yardage back the skins should try and aquire is TJ Ducket who Atlanta is shopping in trade right now. He can probably be had for a mid to low round draft choice.

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[QUOTE=celts32]That ships sailed. He's done. he can't play anymore. It's a waste of a roster spot...

The short yardage back the skins should try and aquire is TJ Ducket who Atlanta is shopping in trade right now. He can probably be had for a mid to low round draft choice.[/QUOTE]

he's good in short yardage, but we dont have the space or money for a move like that. we have much more pressing issuses than rb. davis is done.

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[QUOTE=Sean Taylor is God]he's good in short yardage, but we dont have the space or money for a move like that. we have much more pressing issuses than rb. davis is done.[/QUOTE]

He doesn't make a lot of money and Atlanta picks up any remaining signing bonus if they trae him. the skins would just need to carry his yearly salary. A short yardage back is not the most pressing need, but it is a need. A team that's identity is running the ball should never need to line up in shot gun on third and 2. Portis is a great back, but short yardage is not his thing. I would like to have someone to use like Gibbs used Riggs in the early 90's. Ducket is filling that same role right now in Atlanta and he's good at it.

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I don't know that I agree that he's necessarily done. If you don't think he can do for a team what Jerome Bettis did, you're kidding yourself. He did have 12 TD's last year. I also remember hearing that Carolina wished they didn't put him on IR cause he could have played in the playoffs.

Stephen Davis is certainly done as an every down back, but in short yardage he still looks like a beast. Trust me, I was in Carolina this season.

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[QUOTE=Southpaw]I'm not sure where you're getting the 10mil a year from. It seems a bit of a stretch that he wanted 10mil a year, when he had just restructured his deal, the season before he was cut, to help create cap room for the team. That deal was about 6.5mil a year. When he was cut, he settled on a a deal with Carolina, for about 3mil a year. That's a pretty big step down from 10mil a year.

As far as him coming back to Washington; I don't think he has enough left in the tank to be productive.[/QUOTE]


Not only that, where would Stephen Davis play in the rotation of backs we already have? There is no place on the team for him even if we could afford him, which we cant. Until there's a CBA we don't need to be thinking about signing anybody when at present we may have to consider cutting some players.

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[QUOTE=celts32]He doesn't make a lot of money and Atlanta picks up any remaining signing bonus if they trae him. the skins would just need to carry his yearly salary. A short yardage back is not the most pressing need, but it is a need. A team that's identity is running the ball should never need to line up in shot gun on third and 2. Portis is a great back, but short yardage is not his thing. I would like to have someone to use like Gibbs used Riggs in the early 90's. Ducket is filling that same role right now in Atlanta and he's good at it.[/QUOTE]

he'll want a new contract, and what would atlanta want in a trade? if the skins ask first, its going to be more than if he's shopped. we have 7 rbs right now andat least 4 that are #2-#3 quality. portis i fine in short yardage, sellers can do short yardage (280lb) and nemo was brought in to do short yardage. TJ would be a wasted roster spot and contract.

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I like our depth at RB just fine. Plus, why pay a guy to sit on the bench with an injury?Davis was great, but he's way too injury-prone.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]he'll want a new contract, and what would atlanta want in a trade? if the skins ask first, its going to be more than if he's shopped. we have 7 rbs right now andat least 4 that are #2-#3 quality. portis i fine in short yardage, sellers can do short yardage (280lb) and nemo was brought in to do short yardage. TJ would be a wasted roster spot and contract.[/QUOTE]

I heard from a few different NFL Network or ESPN guys saying that Atlanta is shopping him and it will probably be for a low round draft choice. He's under contract, the skins would only need to resign him to a new deal if they wanted to.

The skins do have a lot of good backs, but it's a fact that none of the current backs excell in short yardage situations. if they did they would not have been in shot gun half the time in short yardage situations. I only want Ducket for short yardage and goaline...I am not sugesting that Portis should lose a significant portion of his carries.

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[QUOTE=celts32]I heard from a few different NFL Network or ESPN guys saying that Atlanta is shopping him and it will probably be for a low round draft choice. He's under contract, the skins would only need to resign him to a new deal if they wanted to.

The skins do have a lot of good backs, but it's a fact that none of the current backs excell in short yardage situations. if they did they would not have been in shot gun half the time in short yardage situations. I only want Ducket for short yardage and goaline...I am not sugesting that Portis should lose a significant portion of his carries.[/QUOTE]

broughton and cartwright

Re: Stephen Davis
 

[QUOTE=Luxorreb]According to NFL.com the Panthers are probably gonna cut Stephen Davis in the next week. Do we have a use for him? I'd be willing to sign him at a league minimum. Any thoughts on where he might end up? Does he have gas left in the tank?[/QUOTE]

only to retire as a redskin...

seriously, we won't find out if nemo can be another young davis without playing him. even at vet minimum he is too expensive

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]We hit on this a few weeks ago

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=10642&highlight=stephen+davis[/url]

I think the answer is still a big fat no. He doesn't have much left.[/QUOTE]

the panthers paid a lot for 1 quality season plus a couple of games from davis

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[QUOTE=dmek25]i would bring him back at league mininum for a third down,short yardage back to try an save some wear and tear on c portis[/QUOTE]

and who do we cut in his place? rock or nemo ? both play special teams and have potential. davis is too old now

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[QUOTE=celts32]That ships sailed. He's done. he can't play anymore. It's a waste of a roster spot...

The short yardage back the skins should try and aquire is TJ Ducket who Atlanta is shopping in trade right now. He can probably be had for a mid to low round draft choice.[/QUOTE]

duckett has a lot of potential but i think he want to go somewhere he has a chance to start.

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[QUOTE=jdlea]I don't know that I agree that he's necessarily done. If you don't think he can do for a team what Jerome Bettis did, you're kidding yourself. He did have 12 TD's last year. I also remember hearing that Carolina wished they didn't put him on IR cause he could have played in the playoffs.

Stephen Davis is certainly done as an every down back, but in short yardage he still looks like a beast. Trust me, I was in Carolina this season.[/QUOTE]

davis is more like dayne than he is like bettis.. even at the end bettis had marvelous footwork- something davis never really had, even in his prime. that is what made bettis special- a hall of famer for certain

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cartwright actually has a crazy percentage in 3rd and 1 and 4th and 1 situations. its more because he's small and got some leverage than because he's running people over though. duckett could choose to withhold services (no training camp etc) if he didn't get a new deal (and he'd probably like more guaranteed money), but he might not.

I just don't think its a huge need. sellers or nemo should eb able to do it, but we haven't seen them attempt it much (sellers got one carry and on 4th and 1 he got 1 yard and a TD out of it). a 6th or 7th could always be used to sign a new punter ;)

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[QUOTE=shallyshal]davis is more like dayne than he is like bettis.. even at the end bettis had marvelous footwork- something davis never really had, even in his prime. that is what made bettis special- a hall of famer for certain[/QUOTE]

that's actually something bettis had to learn. his few few seasons he just ran right into people, but he had to learn some moves cause of how sore he was getting from all the abuse. He probably explained it better in his pre-superbowl interview story they ran like 500 times... i just thought it was interesting.

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bettis also mentioned that when he was in st louis b/c all he did was run into people they wanted him to convert into a fullback and bettis obviously was like heck no...............besides another receiver, punter, kicker, depth at Ol, i think we could really use a pure blocking fullback and tight end something we can gget both in the draft......even tho portis said his favorite person to see in front of him blocking is sellars and even tho sellars had an amazing season in the endzone i would love to see a bigger faster and younger fullback....thats what larry johnson and priest had in KC ie. tony richardson:)

Re: Stephen Davis
 

Stephen Davis? What is going on around here? He isn't worth a roster spot at minimum salary.

I will never forgive him for fumbling that Dallas game away.

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[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper]Stephen Davis? What is going on around here? He isn't worth a roster spot at minimum salary.

I will never forgive him for fumbling that Dallas game away.[/QUOTE]


Come on the guy isn't that bad. He pretty much gave up his body the entire time he was here. The only reason we've been able to forget about him is the fact that Portis is more versatile (blocking, catching, and running) and younger. Its not his fault that Spurrier decided that throwing to his Florida cronies was a better gameplan than feeding Davis the rock. Ironically that might have given Davis a few more years.

As far as bringing him back. I don't think its a good idea. I think his career is over and bringing him back to Washington will kinda be a slap in the face being that he'll be behind Portis. We already stabed him once, we don't need to do it again.