Clayton: A 6th round pick for Ramsey
 

John Clayton just said on ESPN radio at about 8:35 a.m. that the Jets would get Ramsey more than likely for a lousy 6th round pick. If we can't get at least a 3rd rounder for Ramsey I say we just keep him. Freakin 6th round pick, that's pretty much just throwing him away for no compensation!

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I agree. I mean we're gonna' need a backup and the cost would be comparably more.

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Get rid of him and at least get something for him, even if it's just a 6th rounder it's better than what we'll get for him after this season when he walks... nothing.

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I have to believe that Ramsey is worth more than a sixth round pick. If I'm Gibbs, keep him and let him walk next year then.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Get rid of him and at least get something for him, even if it's just a 6th rounder it's better than what we'll get for him after this season when he walks... nothing.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but a 6th rounder is basically just that....nothing. Id rather keep him then get nothing for him. Whether or not you believe Ramsey should've been the starter, most of us agree that the kid has enough talent to play in the league somewhere.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Get rid of him and at least get something for him, even if it's just a 6th rounder it's better than what we'll get for him after this season when he walks... nothing.[/QUOTE]
Regardless of what he does once he leaves the team, wouldn't we get a compensatory draft pick for a first rounder leaving?

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We are in a no win situation. Teams know we have some cap issues and that we are looking to shop him. They can do that.

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[QUOTE=redsk1]We are in a no win situation. Teams know we have some cap issues and that we are looking to shop him. They can do that.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but Ramsey's cap number has to be really really small since he's in the last year of his rookie contract. Couldn't we just keep him and trade him later when some team desperately needs qb help after injury or something?

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C'mon guys, we really have no excuses for assuming info about player salaries. Just jump over to the cap sheets and you'll see Ramsey's base for 2006 is about $1.7M.

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/WarpathRedskinsCap.htm[/url]

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[QUOTE=BrudLee]Regardless of what he does once he leaves the team, wouldn't we get a compensatory draft pick for a first rounder leaving?[/QUOTE]


You get a compensatory pick when they leave for free agency. If you picked up a player through free agency then some times it can be a wash.

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The Jets are probably going to take a QB in the draft anyway, so Ramsey would likely be a short-term solution. That's probably why they're only willing to give up a 6th rounder. Plus you have to consider there's quite a few free agent QB's that will be available that are more highly regarded than Ramsey.

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True, but most of the free agent qbs or qbs that are on the trading block have some injury issues: Culpepper- shredded knee; Pennington- shredded shoulder; Brees-- shoulder (did you see how his arm was bent!). Which free agent has more talent and potential than Patrick Ramsey?

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I say take the deal; it's better than being left empty handed. Plus, you never know what you'll find in the 6th round. (I'm thinking of a quarterback in New England who has won as many Super Bowl as the Redskins.)

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i was hoping for at least a 5th. the 5th will still have some talent, in the 6th though it gets really foggy... at least its a very high 6 i guess.

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[QUOTE=paulskinsfan]True, but most of the free agent qbs or qbs that are on the trading block have some injury issues: Culpepper- shredded knee; Pennington- shredded shoulder; Brees-- shoulder (did you see how his arm was bent!). Which free agent has more talent and potential than Patrick Ramsey?[/QUOTE]

We can take Culpepper off the list as the Vikings are picking up his bonus. I'll leave Brees off the list too because I really don't think he's going anywhere.

QB's that have more value than Ramsey in my opinion

Kitna - proven veteran.
Simms - he's a RFA but I won't be surprised to see someone take a run at him.
Garcia - he had health issues last year but if he can get healthy he's still a very capable QB.

And then you have to consider guys who aren't currently available but are likely to at some point this offseason:

Griese
McCown
Brooks

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simms would cost a 1st and a 3rd... he's just not that good.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]simms would cost a 1st and a 3rd... he's just not that good.[/QUOTE]

Simms got his team to the playoffs this year so he's not bad. PR could not even beat out an old geezer for the starting job with the skins.

The skins are lucky to even get a 6th round pick for PR. He's had a million chances and just could not get it done. The skins should take this offer and let everyone move on.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Get rid of him and at least get something for him, even if it's just a 6th rounder it's better than what we'll get for him after this season when he walks... nothing.[/QUOTE]

I simply can't believe that we can't get more for him. I think people know that we are dumping him because we need the cap room and we have 2 other QBs. I say wait to trade him until we know (1) that the CBA isn't going to get extended and we are forced to dump him or (2) that we get higher compensation. A 6th round pick is friggin ridiculous.

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[QUOTE=irish]He's had a million chances and just could not get it done.[/QUOTE]

Let's not even go there again ... ever. :spank: :joke:

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lets play alittle poker with the jets.they are the one team in this league with bigger cap issues than the redskins.their starter(pennington)makes a ton of money and his arm is shot.ramsey has a modest salary,has played against an nfl defense,and is healthy.the jets have less options than the skins.i say we hold onto him for at the very least a 3rd round pick.if we cant get that,he is the skins back up this year,knows the offense and keeps a good team first attitude.a 6th round pick is basically cutting him loose for nothing

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[QUOTE=dmek25]lets play alittle poker with the jets.they are the one team in this league with bigger cap issues than the redskins.their starter(pennington)makes a ton of money and his arm is shot.ramsey has a modest salary,has played against an nfl defense,and is healthy.the jets have less options than the skins.i say we hold onto him for at the very least a 3rd round pick.if we cant get that,he is the skins back up this year,knows the offense and keeps a good team first attitude.a 6th round pick is basically cutting him loose for nothing[/QUOTE]

no way anyone is giving us a third. thats a bluff the skins would lose every time.

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[QUOTE=irish]Simms got his team to the playoffs this year so he's not bad. PR could not even beat out an old geezer for the starting job with the skins.

The skins are lucky to even get a 6th round pick for PR. He's had a million chances and just could not get it done. The skins should take this offer and let everyone move on.[/QUOTE]

i didn't say he was bad, but he's not worth a 1st rounder + a 3rd + money. most of the teams needing QBs have high picks anyways. and most rather take a shot with the draft than pay so heavily for an average QB.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]i didn't say he was bad, but he's not worth a 1st rounder + a 3rd + money. most of the teams needing QBs have high picks anyways. and most rather take a shot with the draft than pay so heavily for an average QB.[/QUOTE]

You are right, what you said was he's just not that good which to me is synonomous with bad.

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[QUOTE=irish]You are right, what you said was he's just not that good which to me is synonomous with bad.[/QUOTE]

ah, miscommunication ;)

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Despite needing the cap room trading Ramsey would provide, he is an experienced first round draft pick QB. It's the highest value position and Ramsey has proven he can be at least a back-up in this league. He has a small, expiring contract and will give a team like the Jets a reliable safety blanket. I think we would be wise to hold on to him as long as possible, let the market pan out and then trade him to the most desperate team for nothing less than a fourth rounder. Only because he has great value as a backup for our team.

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We need to get what we can. Ramsey has no value now, or atleast minimal value. He has not played in two years, and played average if that when Steve Spurrier was here. I am a Ramsey fan. he had more value at the end of last year than he does now. Plus with all the other QBs out there that are now going to be free agents, I would be happy with a 6th rounder. The compensatory pick probably would be the same thing, maybe a 5th. I think its the right thing to do. We are going to need as many picks as we get to fill the roster when we have to cut alot of players.

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The Redskins are leaking the Jets interest in an attempt to squeeze a third out of Miami but they'll settle for a fourth. The deal will be announced Thursday.



[i]This information comes from a reliable source...me. I pulled it out of the same part of my anatomy as Clayton did his.[/i]

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huddle,you say ramsey goes to miami for a third round pick?there is a god

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Our hand is forced. We're going to need his cap room sooner or later, and teams know that. We can wait until the last minute, but we're going to need to just take what we can get. Even though it sucks.

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A sixth round pick is a joke for a 1st round pick with NFL playing experience. Keep him on the roster for as long as possible and let the other teams who need QB's sweat it out. If the CBA goes thru this week, we will not be in as dire a cap situation as many think. If we get a measley 6th rounder and PR goes on the succeed for another team, we are gonna be steamed. PATIENCE!!!

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Ramsey is not worth a 3rd in a year where there is suddenly a surplus of available starting QB's on the market. This is horrible timing for the redskins. How can they expect a 3rd for Ramsey when Brees, Kitna & Griese are available for nothing and Culpepper & Simms could be available in trade.

The best opportunity for the skins to get value is to drag it out and see who still needs a QB after the bigger names have settled. Waiting depends on the cap situation though....they may not have that luxury.

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The Redskins have no one to blame but themselves for Ramsey not having any trade value. If we didn't spend the last 2 years trashing him and labeling him a turnover machine then maybe we could get some real compensation for him. I say take whatever we can get and move on. I think it's clear that the Jason Campbell era absolutely has to start sooner than later. Be it at some point this year or next he needs to get on the field. You don't use a first on a guy and have him sit forever. I say make the deal and let Ramsey get a fresh start where maybe the coaches want him.

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ah,the voice of reason!dblanche,hows it going?long time,no hear

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[QUOTE=celts32]Ramsey is not worth a 3rd in a year where there is suddenly a surplus of available starting QB's on the market. This is horrible timing for the redskins. How can they expect a 3rd for Ramsey when Brees, Kitna & Griese are available for nothing and Culpepper & Simms could be available in trade. [/QUOTE]

There are seven or eight teams badly in need of QB help. To garner a three, it only takes a couple of GMs with a higher opinion on Ramsey than yours (which obviously isn't high given that list of damaged goods and marginally competant list of "starting QBs" you offered).

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celts32,of all the qbs you have named,who holds any value?culpepper and brees are injured(both pretty severely)kitna and griese are both HORRIBLE and simms is a rfa that will probably have his contract extended.would you want any of these guys as a starter here in washington?

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[QUOTE=dblanch66]A sixth round pick is a joke for a 1st round pick with NFL playing experience. Keep him on the roster for as long as possible and let the other teams who need QB's sweat it out. If the CBA goes thru this week, we will not be in as dire a cap situation as many think. If we get a measley 6th rounder and PR goes on the succeed for another team, we are gonna be steamed. PATIENCE!!![/QUOTE]

What is a joke is the way people bitch and moan about Ramsey and how he always throws picks, he isn't going to lead us to the big game, he cant win against good teams, holds the ball to long, doesn't throw it away enough blah, blah blah. Then when we go and trade him or attempt to, those same people say hes worth a 2nd through 4th round pick. come on people. we are lucky to get a 6th rounder, especially for a player going into his 5th season and has statistically played 1 full season. 10-14 as a starter, around 50% or so completion percentage and around 70 QB rating. What makes you think he is worth more than a sixth, because we drafted him in the first, so what. What did san diego get when they traded leaf to the cowboys. I doubt it was anything about a 4th.

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Lets not talk about Ramsey's value, so much as who you replace him with. Let's say we go into next year with Brunell as the starter and Campbell as the backup. Now you need a very cheap emergency 3rd QB guy. Ramsey has got to be better than any other 3rd guy we could find. The question is more what do the Skins want to pay for a 3rd QB guy. $1.6 million seems a little much to me. But it is dirt cheap if Brunell gets hurt for the season or something and we are left with a 2nd year guy who has not seen the field yet and a backup with experience, AKA Ramsey.

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55.7% is much higher than 50%, and his TD-INT ratio is good (above 1), 10-14 on bad teams isn't terrible either and his qb rating is 75. just so the stats are right.

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[QUOTE=scowan]Lets not talk about Ramsey's value, so much as who you replace him with. Let's say we go into next year with Brunell as the starter and Campbell as the backup. Now you need a very cheap emergency 3rd QB guy. Ramsey has got to be better than any other 3rd guy we could find. The question is more what do the Skins want to pay for a 3rd QB guy. $1.6 million seems a little much to me. But it is dirt cheap if Brunell gets hurt for the season or something and we are left with a 2nd year guy who has not seen the field yet and a backup with experience, AKA Ramsey.[/QUOTE]

ingel martin should be available late in the draft and cheap... total question mark and probably not as good in 2006 as a guy with actual experience, but if we're only getting a 6th and have no cap room, its either him or try to get timmy back.

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[QUOTE=jdlea]The Redskins have no one to blame but themselves for Ramsey not having any trade value. If we didn't spend the last 2 years trashing him and labeling him a turnover machine then maybe we could get some real compensation for him. I say take whatever we can get and move on. I think it's clear that the Jason Campbell era absolutely has to start sooner than later. Be it at some point this year or next he needs to get on the field. You don't use a first on a guy and have him sit forever. I say make the deal and let Ramsey get a fresh start where maybe the coaches want him.[/QUOTE]

You must be talking about the fans trashing him because I've never heard anyone in the organization trash him. Gibbs has always supported him publicly.