Some basic answers about the CBA from ESPN
 

[url]http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2351462[/url]

BTW, I dont give a rats ass if its "Being discussed in another thread".

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The next to last question has an interesting answer, in 2008, no more draft. Players will come out of college as free agents and sign wherever they can.

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This shit is insane. I can't believe what a piece of shit Gene Upshaw is. He's going to decertify the players' union? For what? 1% of the revenue sharing. The players are going to be hating it, although look for people to come to the Redskins cause you know Danny is going to take care of his boys. This still sucks though, the NFL is about to drastically change.

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on espn they were talking about what would happen if somone went over the cap. The analyst laughed and said there was talk that the skins would basically be like **** it. We're going to keep our players and we don't care. He said there would be fines and draft penalties. He then said that snyder could pay all the fines and the skins can't even sign draft picks if they are over the cap so it makes no difference...

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[QUOTE=BigSKINBauer]on espn they were talking about what would happen if somone went over the cap. The analyst laughed and said there was talk that the skins would basically be like **** it. We're going to keep our players and we don't care. He said there would be fines and draft penalties. He then said that snyder could pay all the fines and the skins can't even sign draft picks if they are over the cap so it makes no difference...[/QUOTE]

wouldn't we get DQ'd in every game if we were over at kickoff?

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Here was the most amazing quote in that article:

[b][QUOTE][b]What happens if a team doesn't comply with the salary cap?[/b]
No team has ever gone over the salary cap, so this is a bit of an unknown. Could Commissioner Paul Tagliabue penalize a team by taking away draft picks? Or could there be fines? With some teams in dire cap shape, we could find out sooner rather than later. The [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=was"][color=#000000]Washington Redskins[/color][/url] are one team to watch in this regard, since some other clubs which have studied the Redskins' cap closely have suggested Washington cannot mathematically get into compliance. [/QUOTE] [/b]

The big question is, can they renegotiate enough deals to get in compliance. The real doomsday scenario is if they can't. With only six hours left, we'll see. Because of the special 2006 rules, it is not that easy to do -- even with willing players. The best scenario possible is if they find a way to renegotiate enough deals to actually put them under the cap for 2K6 far enough that they will be able to be players in the FA market.

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I don't really understand what happens if a team does stay over the cap. I guess they would be forced to forfeit games, that would make sense. What if they let em play over the cap, though? I have no idea what's going on...

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This is exactly why I have said that the Redskins are in actually pretty good position as opposed to the many who have said that we would be in trouble. Look they will renegotiate the bonuses for 4 years to extend the cap number. Cut the players who are due big money and who are not a vital cog in the wheel.

Also this section from ESPN is significant to us.
[b]How does all of this affect the 2006 NFL draft?
[/b]Signing draft choices will be more difficult this year, because teams can prorate signing bonuses over only four seasons. Already, agents figure the most a top draft choice can make under that scenario is $15 million, a major reduction from recent years. That likely will lead to long holdouts by draft choices.

Since we have positioned ourselves with few draft choices we are at an advantage as compared to others. Also in the uncapped year who else is going to out spend the Dan.

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[QUOTE][b]What happens if a team doesn't comply with the salary cap?
[/b]No team has ever gone over the salary cap, so this is a bit of an unknown. Could Commissioner Paul Tagliabue penalize a team by taking away draft picks? Or could there be fines? With some teams in dire cap shape, we could find out sooner rather than later. The [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=was"][color=#000000]Washington Redskins[/color][/url] are one team to watch in this regard, since some other clubs which have studied the Redskins' cap closely have suggested Washington cannot mathematically get into compliance. [/QUOTE]

I just love Daniel Snyder. He does everything he can to help this team win. I don't understand how anyone can not like this man... :laughing2 If crippling the cap, and possibly the draft helps Washington win, they'll be Superbowl champions next season.

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[QUOTE=CRT3]Cut the players who are due big money and who are not a vital cog in the wheel. [/QUOTE]

That's part of the problem. A lot of analysts are saying that cutting big money people will actually cost more towards the cap. The only real option is to restructure a ton of deals.

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[QUOTE=jdlea]I don't really understand what happens if a team does stay over the cap. I guess they would be forced to forfeit games, that would make sense. What if they let em play over the cap, though? I have no idea what's going on...[/QUOTE]

its never happened... its like the movie where the russian sub officers open the secret black box for instructionss in case of a core meltdown on there ship... only to find a piece of paper saying that the manual has yet to be written.

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Yeah, Arrington costs more to cut than keep. It actually costs us 600k more to cut him. We really need people to restructure, but it's getting late in the day, so we might see what happens if a team stays over the cap.

There is a line in that article on ESPN that says that other teams have studied our cap and don't think it's mathematically possible to get under the cap. I guess if we get a bunch of restructuring done we'll be okay, but like I said, it's getting late.

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[QUOTE=RiggoRules]Here was the most amazing quote in that article:



The big question is, can they renegotiate enough deals to get in compliance. The real doomsday scenario is if they can't. With only six hours left, we'll see. Because of the special 2006 rules, it is not that easy to do -- even with willing players. The best scenario possible is if they find a way to renegotiate enough deals to actually put them under the cap for 2K6 far enough that they will be able to be players in the FA market.[/QUOTE]

there's no way. if we cut everybody but the 13 that are cheaper to keep, we'd have 34 rookies and a 47 man team. no way we can even make enough back to pay draft picks and keep half the current players, much less go out and sign people.

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crt makes it sound pretty simple.maybe cerrato gets fired and crt takes over the cap issues for the skins

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[QUOTE=CRT3]Cut the players who are due big money and who are not a vital cog in the wheel.
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the problem is we fall short and have 6-7mill left to cut with a list of players to choose from like:
jansen 800k
samuels 300k
washington 500k

etc. hence the importance of restructuring a LOT of money.

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[QUOTE=Southpaw]I just love Daniel Snyder. He does everything he can to help this team win. I don't understand how anyone can not like this man... :laughing2 If crippling the cap, and possibly the draft helps Washington win, they'll be Superbowl champions next season.[/QUOTE]

in his defense, if we make the playoffs in 2006, then the cba totally cripples your ability to sign FAs (the restrictions on playoff teams in FA are super harsh). so by sucking, we'll be able to sign every star college athlete and any available free agents pretty readily.

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one of the analysts on ESPN said it has happened to the 49ers before and they lost draft picks and memebers of the organization were fined. He said it has happened to the steelers but it was not even close to what happened with the 9ers???

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[QUOTE=That Guy]there's no way. if we cut everybody but the 13 that are cheaper to keep, we'd have 34 rookies and a 47 man team. no way we can even make enough back to pay draft picks and keep half the current players, much less go out and sign people.[/QUOTE]

I think you completely missed my point....

What I was trying to say is that cutting players will leave us over the cap (thought I was pretty clear). The only shot we have is renegotiating deals.

The question with redoing the deals is if it is even possible under the current year rules to create enough space to be under, and if so, will enough players "step up".

If the Ashburn brain trust HAS a method for doing this and enough players willing to deal, then the question becomes, is it possible to get below the cap enough to raid the about to be depressed FA market.

BTW, I think the key to pulling this off actually means making a commitment to Lavar.

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[QUOTE=RiggoRules]I think you completely missed my point....

What I was trying to say is that cutting players will leave us over the cap (thought I was pretty clear). The only shot we have is renegotiating deals.

The question with redoing the deals is if it is even possible under the current year rules to create enough space to be under, and if so, will enough players "step up".

If the Ashburn brain trust HAS a method for doing this and enough players willing to deal, then the question becomes, is it possible to get below the cap enough to raid the about to be depressed FA market.

BTW, I think the key to pulling this off actually means making a commitment to Lavar.[/QUOTE]

if we restructure no deals at all (pretend brunell didn't redo his either), you can get under. You ditch all but the 13 that'd cost more than rookie min to replace and you end up with a 47 man roster with 34 1st year players and you're under cap without touching any existing contracts.

you said this though
[quote]The best scenario possible is if they find a way to renegotiate enough deals to actually put them under the cap for 2K6 far enough that they will be able to be players in the FA market.[/quote]

and i was saying there's no way we'll ever make enough off the restructures to even keep our current team, much less add to it. I don't see how i misconstrued that though.

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Guy, it isn't a matter of either or, it is a matter of a combination of both.

Assume that ESPN is correct that the Skins are currently $14 mil over at this moment (granted, assuming ESPN accuracy on anything is nearly as dangerous as going to a game in Philly). Parting ways with Hall, Tupa, Ramsey, Noble, Bowen, Brown, Farris and Frost gets that number down to about $3-5 mil.

Redoing deals with Griffin, Portis, Rabach, Samuels, Springs and Washington puts us about $10-12 mil under. Making a commitment to Lavar would allow for an even better 2K6 number.

In a depressed market, $10-15 mill could go a long way.

I'm not saying this is what is going to happen, just what is possible. There is a danger that Ashburn is going to be ground zero in salary cap Armageddon. But there is also a possibility that they may be over there manufacturing massive amounts of lemonaid.

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im just glad gibbs has gotten tons of great character players that will step up and restructure

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[QUOTE=RiggoRules]Guy, it isn't a matter of either or, it is a matter of a combination of both.

Assume that ESPN is correct that the Skins are currently $14 mil over at this moment (granted, assuming ESPN accuracy on anything is nearly as dangerous as going to a game in Philly). Parting ways with Hall, Tupa, Ramsey, Noble, Bowen, Brown, Farris and Frost gets that number down to about $3-5 mil.

Redoing deals with Griffin, Portis, Rabach, Samuels, Springs and Washington puts us about $10-12 mil under. Making a commitment to Lavar would allow for an even better 2K6 number.

In a depressed market, $10-15 mill could go a long way.

I'm not saying this is what is going to happen, just what is possible. There is a danger that Ashburn is going to be ground zero in salary cap Armageddon. But there is also a possibility that they may be over there manufacturing massive amounts of lemonaid.[/QUOTE]

i've done the math, if you want to keep 18 starters and no depth at all, there's no way we'll have 10mill to spend. not unless 20+ players all min out their contracts.

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[QUOTE=steveo395]im just glad gibbs has gotten tons of great character players that will step up and restructure[/QUOTE]

Maybe part of his evil plan????? :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: People this will all work out! I have faith in Gibbs! Maybe this is why he stepped away from coaching the O knowing this train reck was coming. I bet there is a book some where here. When this is all over it be nice to hear what when on in Redskin Park on Black Thursday!

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[QUOTE=RiggoRules]Guy, it isn't a matter of either or, it is a matter of a combination of both.

Assume that ESPN is correct that the Skins are currently $14 mil over at this moment (granted, assuming ESPN accuracy on anything is nearly as dangerous as going to a game in Philly). Parting ways with Hall, Tupa, Ramsey, Noble, Bowen, Brown, Farris and Frost gets that number down to about $3-5 mil.

Redoing deals with Griffin, Portis, Rabach, Samuels, Springs and Washington puts us about $10-12 mil under. Making a commitment to Lavar would allow for an even better 2K6 number.

In a depressed market, $10-15 mill could go a long way.

I'm not saying this is what is going to happen, just what is possible. There is a danger that Ashburn is going to be ground zero in salary cap Armageddon. But there is also a possibility that they may be over there manufacturing massive amounts of lemonaid.[/QUOTE]

Very well put!!

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[QUOTE=RiggoRules]Guy, it isn't a matter of either or, it is a matter of a combination of both.

Assume that ESPN is correct that the Skins are currently $14 mil over at this moment (granted, assuming ESPN accuracy on anything is nearly as dangerous as going to a game in Philly). Parting ways with Hall, Tupa, Ramsey, Noble, Bowen, Brown, Farris and Frost gets that number down to about $3-5 mil.

Redoing deals with Griffin, Portis, Rabach, Samuels, Springs and Washington puts us about $10-12 mil under. Making a commitment to Lavar would allow for an even better 2K6 number.

In a depressed market, $10-15 mill could go a long way.

I'm not saying this is what is going to happen, just what is possible. There is a danger that Ashburn is going to be ground zero in salary cap Armageddon. But there is also a possibility that they may be over there manufacturing massive amounts of lemonaid.[/QUOTE]
Sorry but no. It is not this simple.

The details of the current CBA restrict the amount of money players can make in coming years to no more than 30% of the previous year. This is the infamous 30% clause. Doing the things you mentioned would work in other years but in this year there is very little to be gained by restructuring. I guess if by restructuring you mean all the players take massive pay cuts and forego already agreed upon bonuses then it could happen the way you say. But realistically there is no way we can get under the cap by 10-12. We have discussed this at very long and arduous length around here lately and it is tiring to have to explain it again. If it was easy as you say then all this talk would not be taking place.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]Sorry but no. It is not this simple.

We have discussed this at very long and arduous length around here lately and it is tiring to have to explain it again. If it was easy as you say then all this talk would not be taking place.[/QUOTE]

Yes, but I really don't think that the Skins are as short sighted as people here and at the sports-centers seem to think. It looks like the real deal is starting to come out now.

Just to reiterate the message from the Skins camp:
If there is no CBA, the team will have to build through the draft.
If there is a CBA, the team can be agressive in free agency.

I have heard concern for sure, but not panic out of the guys who know the contracts and the long term plan.

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with all the restructures happening (pending a fail cba argeement), i'd really kinda like to watch the cba die and see what its like...

either way, i rather not wait till sunday to figure it out.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]with all the restructures happening (pending a fail cba argeement), i'd really kinda like to watch the cba die and see what its like...

either way, i rather not wait till sunday to figure it out.[/QUOTE]

It would definately be interesting to see what the Plan B is, but I'd rather not find out.

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]It would definately be interesting to see what the Plan B is, but I'd rather not find out.[/QUOTE]

I think this whole FA thingy started with Plan B FA way back when!