Dockery signs qualifying offer
 

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one bit of good news today at least. Looks like we will have our starting o-line here in place for a couple more years.

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Well, at least we've got Dock on board.

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that means that the cap relief the skins got for lavar'r release will not be going to the o line..
d end?
wideout ?
several players ???

stay tuned

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That just means we can match a offer if another team signs him. Redskins could get a pick in the up coming draft if they don't match the offer.

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playing together is part of the equation of good offensive line play.this is definitly good news for the skins

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All the talk about salary purges was significant to me only if it effected the O-Line. On D, Williams has shown he can have a top-notch defense with Walt Harris and Warrick Holdman playing significant roles. On O, the starting RB, WR and QB are returning b/c they simply can't be cut to save money (not exactly the triplets, but still one more year together). It appears that the O-Line will stay intact for a 2nd year in a row - that, to me, is critical b/c that is where every offense starts. With Dock locked up, Jansen Thomas and Samuels restructing - we should be in good shape. Sure we need depth, but after Thursday so will a lot of teams.

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[QUOTE=RedskinPete]That just means we can match a offer if another team signs him. Redskins could get a pick in the up coming draft if they don't match the offer.[/QUOTE]

I don't think anyone's going to give up a 3rd rounder for Derrick Dockery (that's what it would take to get him from us, assuming we signed him to the lowest level tender). I doubt he'll get any other offers.

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doc is a lower (below average) starter, so no one is going to spend a pick getting him.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]doc is a lower (below average) starter, so no one is going to spend a pick getting him.[/QUOTE]Dockery is not the best lineman but he is better than below average.

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[QUOTE=firstdown]Dockery is not the best lineman but he is better than below average.[/QUOTE]

he really isn't. not at the LG position. 20/32 is below average and believe or not every team has starters that are below average. not every player we have is automatically above average just cause they wear a skins uniform.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]he really isn't. not at the LG position. 20/32 is below average and believe or not every team has starters that are below average. not every player we have is automatically above average just cause they wear a skins uniform.[/QUOTE]

I read, heard and saw coaches say that he did a very nice job in 05. Yes is he Randy Thomas no. But he isn't below average! Now below average is the Skins #2 WR spot!!!!

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[QUOTE=RedskinPete]I read, heard and saw coaches say that he did a very nice job in 05. Yes is he Randy Thomas no. But he isn't below average! Now below average is the Skins #2 WR spot!!!![/QUOTE]

who's he better than?

Faneca
Hutchinson
Waters
Wahle
Allen
Steinbech
Kendall
Fonoti
Andruzzi
Hamilton
Manuwai
Mulitalo
DeMulling
Piller
Brown
Jacox
Stincomb

we're already at below average and there's more left to go. plus 3-4 rookies could be better than him by next year. He runs a 5.6 40 and that's terribly slow even for an OL guy. we'll be able to pick up an even heavier guy than runs 5.3 in the 2nd round if we want.

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What I hate about the whole situation is that I'd LOVE a better guard, but it's the whole continuity thing. Would someone else be able to step in and do a better job immediately? My gut tells me so, but I'd hate to wreck this whole "team" thing we've got going on.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]who's he better than?

Faneca
Hutchinson
Waters
Wahle
Allen
Steinbech
Kendall
Fonoti
Andruzzi
Hamilton
Manuwai
Mulitalo
DeMulling
Piller
Brown
Jacox
Stincomb

we're already at below average and there's more left to go. plus 3-4 rookies could be better than him by next year. He runs a 5.6 40 and that's terribly slow even for an OL guy. we'll be able to pick up an even heavier guy than runs 5.3 in the 2nd round if we want.[/QUOTE]

Running time mean nothing if you are getting the job done! As for all these guys you listed what makes them better and what is the way that you can tell me that they are better? It's like saying S.Moss isn't better then joe Blow. With WR here you can use 40 times and stats to show he is better. With line men coaches grade thier games and they know who isn't getting the job done. Gibbs in a season ending interview said Doc came along way and was as I remember very high on his 05 play! If not true why would he say that???

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I was never worried aabout Dockery, just shaky on the
depth along the OL.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]What I hate about the whole situation is that I'd LOVE a better guard, but it's the whole continuity thing. Would someone else be able to step in and do a better job immediately? My gut tells me so, but I'd hate to wreck this whole "team" thing we've got going on.[/QUOTE]

i totally agree with you on that point. from a talent perspective though, its hard to argue his merits though. talentwise there are a LOT of teams i'd make a straight trade with.

drafting a OG/OT type would mean a cheap backup, and if they're drafted high, there's a good chance they could start challenging for the starting job pretty soon. Being as how there's no rush to get them into the lineup and they'll be in the system while learning, its a win-win.

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[QUOTE=RedskinPete]Running time mean nothing if you are getting the job done! As for all these guys you listed what makes them better and what is the way that you can tell me that they are better? It's like saying S.Moss isn't better then joe Blow. With WR here you can use 40 times and stats to show he is better. With line men coaches grade thier games and they know who isn't getting the job done. Gibbs in a season ending interview said Doc came along way and was as I remember very high on his 05 play! If not true why would he say that???[/QUOTE]

look, i mentioned the 40 time cause its relevent when we're talking about joe gibbs and pulling guards, i'm nto making a list and deciding talent on 40 times though :P

I'm not saying he needs to be replaced, but talent wise, he is NOT in the top 16 in the league at the LG position. You can tell by watching other teams and seeing how many times guys blow by their guards or how useful they are at getting downfield to block on running plays. Watching brian waters or hutchinson of KC and seattle. Very rarely do people get by them and get sacks/stuffs, and both are very good at running down and being invovled in plays beyond the line of scrimmage when running.

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also as far as "why would he say that?"

gibbs talked up ramsey and immediately benched him
gibbs talked up taylor jacobs constantly, and well... "why would he say that?"
gibbs talked about how great royal was right after he dropped about 18 balls in one game

after every loss he talks about how great the team is and how hard they fight and complains about the refs.

its just what he does. he talks up EVERYONE.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]i totally agree with you on that point. from a talent perspective though, its hard to argue his merits though. talentwise there are a LOT of teams i'd make a straight trade with.

drafting a OG/OT type would mean a cheap backup, and if they're drafted high, there's a good chance they could start challenging for the starting job pretty soon. Being as how there's no rush to get them into the lineup and they'll be in the system while learning, its a win-win.[/QUOTE]

But what you want to draft a lineman early with the other truly pressing needs we have? I'd love to have that luxury. Are you thinking with our 3rd round pick or our 2nd?

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[QUOTE=EXoffender]I was never worried aabout Dockery, just shaky on the
depth along the OL.[/QUOTE]

I hear you on this my friend! When you have to bring in a back up center to fill in to play a guard spot in a game that is bad! We do need some young talent and I thought we drafted some two years ago in Mark Wilson and Jim Molinaro? Also what about Kenyatta Jones I remember during the season he[Bugel] had good things to say about Jones come back!

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]But what you want to draft a lineman early with the other truly pressing needs we have? I'd love to have that luxury. Are you thinking with our 3rd round pick or our 2nd?[/QUOTE]

it really depends on what the choice is. if its C spencer, stovall or klopenstein with our #2, i'd take C spencer there. if pope falls, or D'q Jackson is there or one of the better corners, i'd probably wait. most of the good guards will be gone between the late 2nd and late 3rd though.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]look, i mentioned the 40 time cause its relevent when we're talking about joe gibbs and pulling guards, i'm nto making a list and deciding talent on 40 times though :P

I'm not saying he needs to be replaced, but talent wise, he is NOT in the top 16 in the league at the LG position. You can tell by watching other teams and seeing how many times guys blow by their guards or how useful they are at getting downfield to block on running plays. Watching brian waters or hutchinson of KC and seattle. Very rarely do people get by them and get sacks/stuffs, and both are very good at running down and being invovled in plays beyond the line of scrimmage when running.[/QUOTE]

I hear what you are saying and said many of the same things about Chris Samuels after the 04 season! But I also saw great improvement in 05! Was he a pro bowler I don't know. If he was then LT spot in the NFC must be thin! One thing I did see from the line was that they work together much better and Thomas along with Jansen had very nice years. You also say Rabach was a big reason for all thier turn around in 05!!!

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I'm comfortable with Doc's performance last year. Sure , he is slow, but he hasn't been injury prone and he doesn't seem to make any more mistakes than the rest of the guys. I thought he was excellent in pass pro. After seeing Raymer against the Seahwaks, they obviously need depth but I don't know if I would use the second pick. I suppose it would depend on who was available.

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I base most of my opinions on Madden ps2. My computer progressed him to an 85 overall, and at what Im paying him, that's money.

But on a more serious note. He is a fat motherfr, and I love that in a guard. Just don't pull opposite him as much. Let Randy do the work with the "Rock"

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[QUOTE=RedskinPete]I hear what you are saying and said many of the same things about Chris Samuels after the 04 season! But I also saw great improvement in 05! Was he a pro bowler I don't know. If he was then LT spot in the NFC must be thin! One thing I did see from the line was that they work together much better and Thomas along with Jansen had very nice years. You also say Rabach was a big reason for all thier turn around in 05!!![/QUOTE]

yeah, they do work well together. The difference between raymer and rabach is CRAZY though. raymer was beyond terrible. he's a turnstile... and a weak one.

and doc is definately big. but even bigger and faster OGs are available this year, and would definately be worth at least considering if they're there during our pick. We need the depth if nothing else.

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Dock gets a bad rap around here for some reason, while he still has room for improvement we certainly could be alot worse off.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Dock gets a bad rap around here for some reason, while he still has room for improvement we certainly could be alot worse off.[/QUOTE]

Yes, he seemed pretty solid this past year. He got over his false start problem that plagued him for so long and even started pulling better. Being durable doesn't hurt either...

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Dock gets a bad rap around here for some reason, while he still has room for improvement we certainly could be alot worse off.[/QUOTE]

Dock gets a bad rap everywhere i go. They think he's a below average lineman. I think he's a solid player, and besides, he has started games for like 3 consecutive seasons for the skins. That's pretty durable.

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I dont see why everyone thinks he's so bad. He's never missed a game and he has improved every year. He played pretty well last year and I would like to see someone find a better guard for the price too.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Dock gets a bad rap around here for some reason, while he still has room for improvement we certainly could be alot worse off.[/QUOTE]
Didn't Buges ALLOW him to wear Jacoby's 66 and say that he has the potential to be the best lineman he ever coached. Joe sees something in the guy and thats enough for me.

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that's just bugel talking up his players publicly again. he does that too.

remeber blache explaining how he rather not have a DE that's any good at pass rushing in defending his DL players?

the coaches have a bad habit of (publicly) telling everyone they've got superstars in waiting at every position.

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So the #66 means nothing to Buges, he is just using a scare tactic for opponents?

I will admit he may be too much of a "mountain of a man" for our system but I still think he's Solid.