Prisco, Judge Rip Redskins re: Randle El's Contract
 

Pete Prisco and Clark Judge are ripping the Redskins for giving Randle El a nice big contract. These media folks are going to be hating a lot in the next few days, drawing comparisons between this offseason and 2000.

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Prisco's Comments
After trading for Brandon Lloyd Saturday, the Redskins spent big to land Randle El on Sunday. That is a major question mark in my mind. Randle El had 35 catches last year as a No. 2 receiver for the Steelers. Does that warrant a seven-year deal with $12 million in guaranteed money? Please. We know the Redskins are desperate for help to go with Santana Moss, but paying that kind of money for a guy who has never been a top receiver on his team is crazy -- Dan Snyder crazy. There are some Steelers coaches who wonder if he's even ready to be a No. 3 receiver. Remember Az-Zahir Hakim when he left the Rams to sign with the Lions. He was never good enough to be a go-to receiver. Neither is Randle El. The Redskins blew this one.

Judge's Comments
The Redskins paid him what? I like this guy, too, but more as a third receiver and a special-teams gamebreaker. So paying him $31 million makes absolutely no sense to me. Of course, I don't understand paying assistant coaches $2 million each, either. But these are the Redskins, and they were determined to beef up their offense now that Al Saunders is in town and after they had time to digest films of the playoffs when the defense carried them. Randle El is versatile. He can return punts. He can make catches. He can throw passes. But he's not a difference maker. If he were Pittsburgh wouldn't have let him walk. Remember, this is the team that three years ago paid Laveranues Coles a $13 million signing bonus -- only to return to sender two years later. He gives Washington depth at the position but little more.

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who the hell are these guys. Writers get publicity by writing shit about the skins. I don't care. Let them bitch and cry hoping redskins nation talks about them. I refuse to click that link.

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I can't say that I disagree. I wish they had passed on him but that being said, he will give them some options.

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randle el still isnt a go to reciever, they keep saying he is in that. dumbasses...moss is the go to reciever.

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i agree that we overpaid for him...we gave him the same amount of money as moss

didnt the bears only offer him $20 million for 6 years so then we offer him $31 million for 7 years

if that was our main competition we didnt have to go that high

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I'm definetely at the point where I don't care what these guys think. If these are the guys Gibbs wants, and this is what it takes to get them, then it's fine by me.

THese are the same guys who cried "cap hell" for years, who said Gibbs lost it, etc. Whatever. Oh, and no doubt, these guys felt we blew it on the coles trade as well.

PS--it's a sellers market right now. Players are in a strong position. Prices are going to be high.

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hey the media can shove it for all i care...

they have to get attention and talking shit about the skins is the direction they keep going in.

all i can say is whatever.

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Does any1 know if Lloyd signed a contract and if soooo how long and how much?

Thanks
Peace

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Somebody was going to overpay for him, might as well be us.

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All I have to say is this:

1. We made the playoffs last year and won in the first round at that.

2. Name the last time we made it to the playoffs and who was coach.

3. How long did it take us to get to the playoffs under said coach.

4. How long did it take us to get to the playoffs with Gibbs as HC.

My point being through this extended line of questioning is this: when Pete "my boyfriend prefers Crisco" Prisco and Clark "Kant" Judge can take a team who hadn't finished above .500 for almost 5 freakin years and turn them into a playoff team (who no less loses to the team who ends up in the Super Bowl) then they can talk shit. Until then, they are nothing more than cud chewing laptop pecking sports hacks writing controversial articles so they can get beer money for the next few days.

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Redskins fans....we must be used to the criticism because we are known to pay for players that didnt yield a playoff apperance. So we should shake off the haters and know that Gibbs is controlling D. Snyders money and who care how much we paid as long as we are "under the cap" and these players arent fossils, this is a youth movement.

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[QUOTE=steveo395]i agree that we overpaid for him...we gave him the same amount of money as moss

didnt the bears only offer him $20 million for 6 years so then we offer him $31 million for 7 years

if that was our main competition we didnt have to go that high[/QUOTE]

we had to outbid chicago's contract, and the fact that chicago was his hometown, and the fact that he'd be a #2 there and a #3 or #4 here.

and whoever said it was a seller's market is right. the FA WRs suck, the draft WRs suck. either you have guys or you don't. hopefully BOTH of our WR aquisitions can step it up. otherwise randle-el is just a really expensive punt return guy.

I think gibbs might be gearing up to build a SB winner this year and blow it up in a couple years... i'm really not sure yet.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]I think gibbs might be gearing up to build a SB winner this year and blow it up in a couple years... i'm really not sure yet.[/QUOTE]

Didn't we try that before?

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Below are just a few of the comments made about the Coles for Moss trade last season:

1. The opinions on the Redskins vary, and I’m thinking this is a 7-9, 8-8 or even a 9-7 team depending on the play of whoever is the QB. Writers like Len Pastabelly, Pete Prisco, and Dr. Z have all clubbed the Redskins and penciled them in for a disastrous season. It’s obvious that at least some of these writers have a personal vendetta against Daniel Snyder’s Redskins. In Pastabelly’s case, I’ve heard that he has it in for the skins because he found out about Gibbs’ hiring, and was lied to by Skins officials when he tried to confirm it, only to be scooped by Washington Post writer Mark Maske. I have no idea is this is true; it’s just what I’ve heard. Regardless, it shouldn’t cloud the judgment of people who get paid to report about, and analyze teams. Back to the team. I think the Redskins ground attack will be an absolute force, as Clinton Portis has looked like a monster this preseason. He’s put on 20 pounds, but has lost none of the speed or elusiveness that makes him special. John Jansen returns healthy (even though he recently broke his thumb; a mere scratch for an old-school player like Jansen), and Chris Samuels appears to be reinvigorated. The Skins WRs are nothing special, and if teams are in fact able to stop Portis, [color=red]I think Santana Moss and David Patten will be hard-pressed to take the pressure of the running game[/color], and that’s where the QB comes in.


2. Will Joe Gibbs get it turned around in Washington? No, and, trust me, it hurts to say it. The classy Gibbs was a great coach who pulled the most out of his clubs in the 1980s. But that was two decades ago, and Gibbs last year seemed out of step with the times. I know, the Redskins changed their offense and blocking schemes, [color=red]but does anyone really believe this team is better with Santana Moss instead of Laveranues Coles[/color]? Without Fred Smoot? Without Antonio Pierce? Plus, what's the deal with Sean Taylor? Then there's this: If the organization doesn't believe it can win with Patrick Ramsey, as the draft of first-rounder Jason Campbell suggests, why should we?

3. And just how much damage has been done? Plenty. And I am not referring to the [color=red]trade down from Coles to Santana Moss[/color] who will be his replacement, though [color=red]that is a significant dropoff[/color]. Moss is to small to be a durable or effective WR over the course of a season. He’s a wonderful deep threat when healthy, though I would use him from the slot in 3 WR sets a lot. [color=red]He lacks physical courage [/color]and generally will be exactly what he was in New York, and [color=red]erratic and undependable[/color] player.
Throwing salt on the wound, Moss has been sitting out of voluntary workouts while demanding a new deal from the Redskins. Take this slow. Moss, who is an average player AT BEST, and has done NOTHING with his new team to merit a big pay day is creating a bad impression with this new team by sitting out of these workouts while demanding a new deal that the team cannot afford to give him until June 1st at the earliest (and even then it would be a bad idea). I don’t know whether to laugh or cry.




Okay, now how much credibility do we really have to give these morons in March? How silly they look today.

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[QUOTE=Duffman003]Didn't we try that before?[/QUOTE]

yeah, and it ended badly. at least its young talent this time. lloyd is mainly character issues, i think he has the talent (does he have the drive? will he whine?) and R-el has the character stuff, but might not be talented enough for his contract.

anyways, we'll see. if the cap explodes again its not a problem, but the more huge contracts you pass out, the more guys you have to let go once the salaries start going up.

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socio, those are great quotes. #1 isn't far off until the last sentence, but most people here thought the same thing.

#3 "He lacks physical courage and generally will be exactly what he was in New York, and that is erratic and undependable"

that one kinda pisses you off though.

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Bet they said something like that when we signed Santana Moss.

Wait & see, then laugh.

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One thing I seriously don't understand is how they can question Danny moves recently. They were all proved wrong with Santana and other recent moves. Do they really think the Redskins and Dan Synder are stupid with their moves? Do they really think we are gonna be over the cap? I mean come on,our team has plently of people working on the numbers and potential moves for the next 10 years, and I'm sure they are all consulted before big moves like this are made. They make it sound like Danny boy is the lucky rich boy at the candy shop who just buys everything that looks good without thinking..I mean damn, I am so sick and tired of people like this giving him shit. Yeah he made some mistakes in the past, but he has learned, there is a reason why he has been such a successful businessman in the past, he learns from his mistakes, and plus he has plently of other brillant people employed helping him out. He has and always will calculate and carryout what would be the best for the team. Dan has done all he can, and the rest is truely on fate and how things play out.

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[QUOTE=hooskins]One thing I seriously don't understand is how they can question Danny moves recently. They were all proved wrong with Santana and other recent moves. Do they really think the Redskins and Dan Synder are stupid with their moves? Do they really think we are gonna be over the cap? I mean come on,our team has plently of people working on the numbers and potential moves for the next 10 years, and I'm sure they are all consulted before big moves like this are made. They make it sound like Danny boy is the lucky rich boy at the candy shop who just buys everything that looks good without thinking..I mean damn, I am so sick and tired of people like this giving him shit. Yeah he made some mistakes in the past, but he has learned, there is a reason why he has been such a successful businessman in the past, he learns from his mistakes, and plus he has plently of other brillant people employed helping him out. He has and always will calculate and carryout what would be the best for the team. Dan has done all he can, and the rest is truely on fate and how things play out.[/QUOTE]

3 years ;) maybe 4, i doubt 10 though. the tv contract and cba would expire, the cap and labor situation would be unknown, and the players to scout would be in 5th or 6th grade.

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comparing moss's deal with either of our new receivers is just not fair. Moss is underpaid for the production that he puts up. He had comparable numbers to lloyd when he came here. If moss has another top 3 WR season then he deserves more but as of now he has only had one great season with us and will need to do more before we can say that randle el and Lloyd don't deserve similar contracts that moss got when he got here. Moss is worth a hell of a lot more now than when we signed him and I don't think he will hold out just yet. if he has another great season i have no problem giving him a new contract expecially if he wants it on incentives.

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you just dont go around offering guys more money. not if you want to win games and maximize talent. sean taylor averages 2.5mill a year and he's the 2nd best guy on our defense (washington and griffin both average 5mill i believe, springs averages 6).

thats why you lock them in long term. we made a mistake in not doing that with pierce, but if you noticed, we got marshall cheap for years, so the lesson was learned. because of inflation, short term deals are inherently worse, cause even if the guy's production is the same, in 2010 that level of production is worth more than in 2006 as long as the nfl remains a growth industry.

the colts weren't decisive and decided to only pay out AFTER guys had career years, so they paid guys at the peak of their production, and anytime those players don't meet that production level, the colts lose value.

as long as your scouting is as good as ours has been (at avoiding busts), you invest early and for the long term and you'll come out with MUCH more talent per dollar. saving money now with short contracts is a great way to cost yourself more down the line (unles you're REALLY unsure on a palyer).

in the business of winning, maxing price/performance is best shot, and giving money away isn't going to help. its not like moss is making vet min, he's got a 31$mill contract (at 2006 prices). His production (should it continue) would merit a 56$mill contract. that's not nearly as far off as portis doing 1500 yards for 500k (when its worth 3-5mill), or javon walker.

there's a new cba and prices are up more than 5% unlike most years (they're up 10,15, maybe 20% this year depending on the team).

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High demand high prices for named FA's. That's the way it happens this year. Redskins are among the best in the league continually bringing excitement to the fans. The difference is we have Joe Gibbs, Greg Williams and Al Saunders coaching the team. Hate to say 'we're headed to the SB' just yet, but gotta admit we're headed to the playoffs again this year!

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For all us old schoolers.....this is the SAME shit Gibbs has always done. Just now we have 24/7, STUPID (_!_) journalists tryin to be MR. News breaker. ****ING HELL YEAH !!!!!! Randle El, Saunders, and lloyd......all the pieces fit...I have never been more excited since we got Vince Lombardi as head coach in 69 .....HAIL SKINSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!

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On Mike and Mike this morning they both loved the Randle El signing, especially Greenberg.

At least some of the media is on our side.

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Cocaine is a hell of a drug. :smoker:

I AM a bit concerned about this money situation. I don't want this to turn into 2000. I don't think it will, but I can definitely see them gearing up for Super Bowl XLI NOW.

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looking at OL DE and QB #3 targets now. If they sign, only LB (2nd tier starter) and #3 CB will be left. I'm not sure we'll try for a kicker or punter (though stealing dirk johnson from the iggles would be cool).

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In two or three years when the Salary cap is at $120 million, paying $5 million a year for your number 2 receiver is going to seem like a bargin. Besides, what are we looking for in a number 2 WR? We are looking for 5-6 catches a game! Moss will get 7-10, Randle El will get 5-6, Lloyd may get 5-6, and Cooley will get 5-6. We don't have enough balls to go around! I still say the Skins will run the ball 20-25 times a game anyway.

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Look at Lloyd and Randle El's stats and project them to 90 catches. That is what they did with Moss and guess what happened. We are assembling playmakers together to make a cohesive offense. Did I mention we also got Saunders to run the offense???????

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[QUOTE=scowan]In two or three years when the Salary cap is at $120 million, paying $5 million a year for your number 2 receiver is going to seem like a bargin. Besides, what are we looking for in a number 2 WR? We are looking for 5-6 catches a game! Moss will get 7-10, Randle El will get 5-6, Lloyd may get 5-6, and Cooley will get 5-6. We don't have enough balls to go around! I still say the Skins will run the ball 20-25 times a game anyway.[/QUOTE]

best comment all thread. i agree 100%

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is it over paying if the skins get at least one step closer.our team is being built to win.so who gives a damn what anyone says?im glad we have an owner that is willing to spend money to try and reach the big game

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I dont see what all this talk is about really, i mean the media just loves to rag on snyder/gibbs and the redskins in general. (not saying im a big fan of snyder myself, but i do like his wallet.) I spent the majority of last year watching steelers games cuz i go to WVU which is part of steeler nation, and am very pleased at the signing of randle el as i saw him play all of the 05/06 season. I also think our recieving corps next year of moss, lloyd and randle could arguably one of the top in the nfl in 06... now we just need to make sure our qb can get them the ball.