Who starts at QB?
 

As we all saw in the playoffs, when Mark Brunell is not 100% he struggles. His injury lingered from the final game against the Giants at home, where Ramsey came in and did well. This team is Jason Campell's team (unless we drafted him for no reason), with the signing of Randle El, and bringing in the second tier to the Joe Gibbs brain (Al Saunders), is this Campell's year to take the reigns at the helm or is Mark still the starter?

Don't get me wrong, if Mark is healthy he as well as the team will do great, but is there any talk of Jason getting the call?

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well, Adam Schefter reported that Campbell is gonna be our #3 because he still isn't ready yet, so for the time being this is brunell's job.

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[QUOTE=mooby]well, Adam Schefter reported that Campbell is gonna be our #3 because he still isn't ready yet, so for the time being this is brunell's job.[/QUOTE]

When did Schefter say this? I don't see any way that Campbell is not at least our #2 by August.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]When did Schefter say this? I don't see any way that Campbell is not at least our #2 by August.[/QUOTE]

I believe it was this afternoon. I was watching total access, about the time culpepper was traded to miami, and he was talking about qb movings and such around the league. I thought that Campbell would be our #2 this season too, that's why i'm not positively sure this true, but i do remember him saying that "sources say that campbell is not ready to be a #2 at this point".

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Mark Brunell will go down with a stinger or injury within the first half of the season and Jason will step in. It will be up to him to decide whether he takes hold of this team and leads it for years to come or performs ok and hands back Brunell the starting job the next week.

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campbell, a 1st round pick who in his 2nd year, cant be a 2nd string QB? wtf?

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Why do you even bother listening to Schefter talk about a quarterback situation in the beginning of the offseason. Jason Campbell has months to prepare and with the addition of Collins the learning process will be much quicker. Add to that 4 games of preseason action there's no way he won't be our #2 by the time the regular season starts. Gibbs even said last season if he had thrown Campbell into one of the games he would've done fine.

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[QUOTE=soccercycbk]Why do you even bother listening to Schefter talk about a quarterback situation in the beginning of the offseason. Jason Campbell has months to prepare and with the addition of Collins the learning process will be much quicker. Add to that 4 games of preseason action there's no way he won't be our #2 by the time the regular season starts. Gibbs even said last season if he had thrown Campbell into one of the games he would've done fine.[/QUOTE]

don't hate the messenger hate the man who said it. I never said i believe it to be 100% true, i'm just letting you know what someone else said about the situation.

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I apologize in advance to anyone this post might annoy or if this momentarily brings back to life...the old ass tired Ramsey-Brunell debate.

but let me just say that if Cambell is truly gonna remain our number 3 then i dont know wtf they brought in todd collins for.

It is my personal belief that Ramsey given the weapons we now have...could...(and i think and have thought for a long time) should be the guy to lead us deep into the playoffs. I just really wish he had gotten a shot here.

But i feel that every single thing that has been done with Ramsey has been done completely backwards... Like even now, regarding his impending departure from the skins...the skins have now signed a 3rd QB...making it painfully obvious around the league that Ramsey will not be here next year.

This sends a message to potential trade partners that they can offer next to nothing or even nothing at all for ramsey...because they now believe we will just release him soon anyway. So what ever happend to getting fair value for the kid.

i personally believe he is better than Brunell (though i understand and of course respect people who disagree with me on that point). However, i dont think it is far fetched to assert that he is probably better than Jason Cambell at this point. And certainly better than freaking Todd Collins...

So all in all, i guess as a final mini tribute to Ramsey...i just wanted to say one last time that i really liked and believed in the kid...and i really wish we would keep our 3 QB's from last year...and actually allow Ramsey to compete with Brunell for the starting job next season. I truly believe he could lead this new and improved team to a fantastic season, and an exciting playoff chase...

Ok, sorry once again to those who didnt want to have to read that...but thats just my two cents...and i guess if you dont appreciate reading about ramsey...well you can take comfort in the fact that these "silly" arguments wont be around for very much longer as i imagine ramsey will be gone in the coming days.

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if we can only get a 7th, keep him and open the competition :P who cares.

there is no way collins is the #2, and if campbell isn't better than him, why on earth did we watse a #1 on him?

he came in early and was studying the playbook immediately. He works hard and wants to be prepared, so lets see what he has.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]if we can only get a 7th, keep him and open the competition :P who cares.

there is no way collins is the #2, and if campbell isn't better than him, why on earth did we watse a #1 on him?

he came in early and was studying the playbook immediately. He works hard and wants to be prepared, so lets see what he has.[/QUOTE]

Campbell is the # 2 QB and it will not be that unless he fails in the perseason!

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[QUOTE=NFLeurope]I apologize in advance to anyone this post might annoy or if this momentarily brings back to life...the old ass tired Ramsey-Brunell debate.

but let me just say that if Cambell is truly gonna remain our number 3 then i dont know wtf they brought in todd collins for.

It is my personal belief that Ramsey given the weapons we now have...could...(and i think and have thought for a long time) should be the guy to lead us deep into the playoffs. I just really wish he had gotten a shot here.

But i feel that every single thing that has been done with Ramsey has been done completely backwards... Like even now, regarding his impending departure from the skins...the skins have now signed a 3rd QB...making it painfully obvious around the league that Ramsey will not be here next year.

This sends a message to potential trade partners that they can offer next to nothing or even nothing at all for ramsey...because they now believe we will just release him soon anyway. So what ever happend to getting fair value for the kid.

i personally believe he is better than Brunell (though i understand and of course respect people who disagree with me on that point). However, i dont think it is far fetched to assert that he is probably better than Jason Cambell at this point. And certainly better than freaking Todd Collins...

So all in all, i guess as a final mini tribute to Ramsey...i just wanted to say one last time that i really liked and believed in the kid...and i really wish we would keep our 3 QB's from last year...and actually allow Ramsey to compete with Brunell for the starting job next season. I truly believe he could lead this new and improved team to a fantastic season, and an exciting playoff chase...

Ok, sorry once again to those who didnt want to have to read that...but thats just my two cents...and i guess if you dont appreciate reading about ramsey...well you can take comfort in the fact that these "silly" arguments wont be around for very much longer as i imagine ramsey will be gone in the coming days.[/QUOTE]


ABSOFREAKINLUTLY!

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[QUOTE=NFLeurope]I apologize in advance to anyone this post might annoy or if this momentarily brings back to life...the old ass tired Ramsey-Brunell debate.[/QUOTE]

I agree with your feelings on Ramsey but I've turned the page on the idea that someday he'd succeed here. Joe Gibbs doesn't like his game. Joe's not a good coaching fit for a young gunslinger who needs patience.

With all the FA signings, I'd like to get very optimistic about the 2006 season but I have serious doubts about our QB situation.

Last year, our passing game was customized for a 35 year-old Mark Brunell who still has the instincts of a scrambler but doesn't have the legs anymore. From the Seattle game through the San Franscisco blowout, Mark and Santana put up some amazing yardage numbers but, after that, their production fell off. At the end, in the weaker part of our schedule, we were very dependent on the running game and defensive turnovers.

At this stage of his career, Brunell's game is very limited and easily defended. Furthermore, Al Saunders' scheme utilizes a pocket passer. Mark doesn't fit the system.

I hope we didn't bring in Al Saunders to adjust his scheme for a 36 year-old ex-scrambler.

Even if the media rumors that Campbell isn't ready are false, how optimistic can we get about the potential of an offense with a QB who has never taken a snap in an NFL game where real bullets were being fired?

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I always thought that Ramsey would do well following in the footsteps of Favre in GB.
But with a new regime and Favre perhaps gone as well I wouldn't wish anyone that route. If Ramsey leaves I just hope we get value for him.
QB 1 Brunell 2 Campbell 3 Collins

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I think Brunell starts the season but Campbell has a chance at finishing it.. I don't listen to the mediots who say Campbell isn't ready.. They surely haven't been in practices, in the film room, in meetings so they have no way of telling.. I'd be suprised if Campbell doesn't start at least one preseason game and get significant time with the starters in another.. Collins is strictly an insurance policy/another knowledgeable voice for Campbell/Brunell about the offense.. I'll be glad when we can put the Ramsey stuff to bed once and for all..

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[QUOTE=NFLeurope]I apologize in advance to anyone this post might annoy or if this momentarily brings back to life...the old ass tired Ramsey-Brunell debate.

but let me just say that if Cambell is truly gonna remain our number 3 then i dont know wtf they brought in todd collins for.

It is my personal belief that Ramsey given the weapons we now have...could...(and i think and have thought for a long time) should be the guy to lead us deep into the playoffs. I just really wish he had gotten a shot here.

But i feel that every single thing that has been done with Ramsey has been done completely backwards... Like even now, regarding his impending departure from the skins...the skins have now signed a 3rd QB...making it painfully obvious around the league that Ramsey will not be here next year.

This sends a message to potential trade partners that they can offer next to nothing or even nothing at all for ramsey...because they now believe we will just release him soon anyway. So what ever happend to getting fair value for the kid.

i personally believe he is better than Brunell (though i understand and of course respect people who disagree with me on that point). However, i dont think it is far fetched to assert that he is probably better than Jason Cambell at this point. And certainly better than freaking Todd Collins...

So all in all, i guess as a final mini tribute to Ramsey...i just wanted to say one last time that i really liked and believed in the kid...and i really wish we would keep our 3 QB's from last year...and actually allow Ramsey to compete with Brunell for the starting job next season. I truly believe he could lead this new and improved team to a fantastic season, and an exciting playoff chase...

Ok, sorry once again to those who didnt want to have to read that...but thats just my two cents...and i guess if you dont appreciate reading about ramsey...well you can take comfort in the fact that these "silly" arguments wont be around for very much longer as i imagine ramsey will be gone in the coming days.[/QUOTE]

I agree completely. Patrick was (and may still be) an excellent raw talent. He's tough, he's smart and he's strong. He tried to force throws where receivers were not getting separation and was picked frequently. But that was a problem with the receivers, not the QB. He was young and wanted to make plays. With the new WR talent on the squad, he'd look like the second coming of Elway if given half a REAL chance. I will miss not seeing Ramsey blossom in a Redskin uniform. Like Lavar, he deserved better.

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We'll open the season like this:

1. Brunell
2. Campbell
3. Collins

Whether we'll close the season like that is the question.

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[QUOTE=NFLeurope]I apologize in advance to anyone this post might annoy or if this momentarily brings back to life...the old ass tired Ramsey-Brunell debate.

but let me just say that if Cambell is truly gonna remain our number 3 then i dont know wtf they brought in todd collins for.

It is my personal belief that Ramsey given the weapons we now have...could...(and i think and have thought for a long time) should be the guy to lead us deep into the playoffs. I just really wish he had gotten a shot here.

But i feel that every single thing that has been done with Ramsey has been done completely backwards... Like even now, regarding his impending departure from the skins...the skins have now signed a 3rd QB...making it painfully obvious around the league that Ramsey will not be here next year.

This sends a message to potential trade partners that they can offer next to nothing or even nothing at all for ramsey...because they now believe we will just release him soon anyway. So what ever happend to getting fair value for the kid.

i personally believe he is better than Brunell (though i understand and of course respect people who disagree with me on that point). However, i dont think it is far fetched to assert that he is probably better than Jason Cambell at this point. And certainly better than freaking Todd Collins...

So all in all, i guess as a final mini tribute to Ramsey...i just wanted to say one last time that i really liked and believed in the kid...and i really wish we would keep our 3 QB's from last year...and actually allow Ramsey to compete with Brunell for the starting job next season. I truly believe he could lead this new and improved team to a fantastic season, and an exciting playoff chase...

Ok, sorry once again to those who didnt want to have to read that...but thats just my two cents...and i guess if you dont appreciate reading about ramsey...well you can take comfort in the fact that these "silly" arguments wont be around for very much longer as i imagine ramsey will be gone in the coming days.[/QUOTE]If everyone in the league saw what you might see in Ramsey he would be gone by now. He is a low price pick up for another team and they are not going after him. I thought that a team by now might have picked up Ramsey just to bring in a QB that could compete for the starting job and if not the starter a solid back up. Maybe other teams see what Gibbs see in Ramsey and are not willing to take the chance on him. He will find a new team but I think it will be as a back up for the first year atleast.

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[QUOTE=NFLeurope]I apologize in advance to anyone this post might annoy or if this momentarily brings back to life...the old ass tired Ramsey-Brunell debate.

but let me just say that if Cambell is truly gonna remain our number 3 then i dont know wtf they brought in todd collins for.

It is my personal belief that Ramsey given the weapons we now have...could...(and i think and have thought for a long time) should be the guy to lead us deep into the playoffs. I just really wish he had gotten a shot here.

But i feel that every single thing that has been done with Ramsey has been done completely backwards... Like even now, regarding his impending departure from the skins...the skins have now signed a 3rd QB...making it painfully obvious around the league that Ramsey will not be here next year.

This sends a message to potential trade partners that they can offer next to nothing or even nothing at all for ramsey...because they now believe we will just release him soon anyway. So what ever happend to getting fair value for the kid.

i personally believe he is better than Brunell (though i understand and of course respect people who disagree with me on that point). However, i dont think it is far fetched to assert that he is probably better than Jason Cambell at this point. And certainly better than freaking Todd Collins...

So all in all, i guess as a final mini tribute to Ramsey...i just wanted to say one last time that i really liked and believed in the kid...and i really wish we would keep our 3 QB's from last year...and actually allow Ramsey to compete with Brunell for the starting job next season. I truly believe he could lead this new and improved team to a fantastic season, and an exciting playoff chase...

Ok, sorry once again to those who didnt want to have to read that...but thats just my two cents...and i guess if you dont appreciate reading about ramsey...well you can take comfort in the fact that these "silly" arguments wont be around for very much longer as i imagine ramsey will be gone in the coming days.[/QUOTE]

Ugh, no offense man and my rant isn't directed at you specifically, but when can we finally drop this debate??

Ramsey is on his way out, his time here is done. He wasn't drafted by Gibbs, and Gibbs obviously doesn't think as highly of Ramsey as some of his fanboys do. Why do we have to keep rehashing this every other day?

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[QUOTE=firstdown]If everyone in the league saw what you might see in Ramsey he would be gone by now. He is a low price pick up for another team and they are not going after him. I thought that a team by now might have picked up Ramsey just to bring in a QB that could compete for the starting job and if not the starter a solid back up. Maybe other teams see what Gibbs see in Ramsey and are not willing to take the chance on him. He will find a new team but I think it will be as a back up for the first year atleast.[/QUOTE]

some teams (like cinncy) HAVE gone after him, but he's refused to visit them.

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[QUOTE=mooby]I believe it was this afternoon. I was watching total access, about the time culpepper was traded to miami, and he was talking about qb movings and such around the league. I thought that Campbell would be our #2 this season too, that's why i'm not positively sure this true, but i do remember him saying that "sources say that campbell is not ready to be a #2 at this point".[/QUOTE]

I don't think this report by Shefter is the least bit accurate. Gibbs gave a glowing review of Campbell's progress when the season ended, and has told him that next year he better be ready to earn his keep.

I don't think there's any way Campbell will be the #3 this year. No way in hell. I think it's quite possible that Campbell is ready to START, not just be the 2nd stringer.

I don't trust Schefter's "sources". He doesn't have a reputation for being a great NFL insider. If Mort was saying this, I might buy into it a little more. But I think this is complete bullcrap.

Gibbs would not give a glowing review of Campbell if he wasn't ready to step it up next season. Gibbs doesn't make things up like that. He follows the "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all policy." With Ramsey he often finds little nice to say, and instead dances around the questions. He doesn't do that with Campbell, he has plenty of nice things to say.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]We'll open the season like this:

1. Brunell
2. Campbell
3. Collins

Whether we'll close the season like that is the question.[/QUOTE]

I agree 100%. Barring injury of course. I can't see Gibbs goin to Campbell to start the season, but as we've seen these last couple years, Brunell's health is an issue over the course of 16 games.

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Joe Gibbs likes to raise his QBs over a long time, the longer the better, Jason will be #3 next season, he will continue to learn by observing, hopefully if we get a game that will be a blowout Jason will get some snaps to see where he is at in his training.

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Guys, I will try to find the link, but I read something online yesterday about the Todd Collins signing that his agent stated that the team informed Collins that he would be the number 2 guy going into the season. Of course that could all change after the Preseason next August. Collins being the #2 is most probably based on him knowning the offense better than Campbell at this point.

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[QUOTE=firstdown]If everyone in the league saw what you might see in Ramsey he would be gone by now. He is a low price pick up for another team and they are not going after him. I thought that a team by now might have picked up Ramsey just to bring in a QB that could compete for the starting job and if not the starter a solid back up. Maybe other teams see what Gibbs see in Ramsey and are not willing to take the chance on him. He will find a new team but I think it will be as a back up for the first year atleast.[/QUOTE]

Ramsey wants to go somewhere where he has the chance to start. He isn't going to sign an extension with a team that doesn't suit him...and without that extension...there's not much value in picking up the last year of his contract. Particularly when he's probably going to be released if the team can't find someone who wants him for only one year.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]I don't think this report by Shefter is the least bit accurate. Gibbs gave a glowing review of Campbell's progress when the season ended, and has told him that next year he better be ready to earn his keep.

I don't think there's any way Campbell will be the #3 this year. No way in hell. I think it's quite possible that Campbell is ready to START, not just be the 2nd stringer.

I don't trust Schefter's "sources". He doesn't have a reputation for being a great NFL insider. If Mort was saying this, I might buy into it a little more. But I think this is complete bullcrap.

Gibbs would not give a glowing review of Campbell if he wasn't ready to step it up next season. Gibbs doesn't make things up like that. He follows the "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all policy." With Ramsey he often finds little nice to say, and instead dances around the questions. He doesn't do that with Campbell, he has plenty of nice things to say.[/QUOTE]

really? so i guess that means that jacobs really is an amazing receiver after all, and that royal is a super smart guy fighting his guts out and has great hands. or that brunell (circa 2004) wasn't doing anything at all wrong, even though he couldn't hit wide open guys 6 yards down the field.

gibbs has a bad habit of publicly blowing sh*t up his player's @$$es on a regular basis. people just believe it cause they want to.

I hope campbell is amazing, but being talked up by this staff is worthless and means nothing based on past experiences.

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As of right now Collins probably is the #2, but that will change with a strong camp by Campbell. If Campbell can't beat out Collins on the depth chart we might have a problem on our hands.

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Brunell will get us to the Super Bowl...if he fails to produce with the talent he's surrounded by then we can start talking about making a change. Until then Brunell is our guy, he's got about one more good season left in the tank.
I also heard during the end of last season that Campbell was having a hard time learning the offense and that he wasn't ready.

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All you Salary Cap Gurus out there, is Jason Campbell due any kind of bonus for playing as early as 2006 that the Redskins would avoid by not playing him until 2007?

I'm not saying that that's going to decide who will play in '06, I'm just curious.

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i heard he does have playing time incentives back when he was signed... no idea on the accuracy or numbers though.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]really? so i guess that means that jacobs really is an amazing receiver after all, and that royal is a super smart guy fighting his guts out and has great hands. or that brunell (circa 2004) wasn't doing anything at all wrong, even though he couldn't hit wide open guys 6 yards down the field.

gibbs has a bad habit of publicly blowing sh*t up his player's @$$es on a regular basis. people just believe it cause they want to.

I hope campbell is amazing, but being talked up by this staff is worthless and means nothing based on past experiences.[/QUOTE]

I don't remember Gibbs ever saying that Jacobs was a great receiver, I remember him saying that he had a lot of potential. You'll have to show me that comment. Royal did fight his guts out, worked really hard, and had good hands except for that one game. Gibbs just didn't mention the things that limit him, like his speed, strength, and agility which affects blocking skills. But Royal did work really hard. Brunell circa 2004 wasn't doing anything wrong man, it was his injury causing the problems. That's what Gibbs was getting at with that comment.

He doesn't blow smoke. He chooses his comments very carefully. He says positive things when he can, and doesn't talk about the players' limitations.

His comments regarding Campbell have pretty much covered the gamut of every skill and attribute you'd want in your QB. It was glowing.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]All you Salary Cap Gurus out there, is Jason Campbell due any kind of bonus for playing as early as 2006 that the Redskins would avoid by not playing him until 2007?

I'm not saying that that's going to decide who will play in '06, I'm just curious.[/QUOTE]

Not sure, I don't know what the incentives are in that puppy.

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I think it's funny that people seem to question Gibbs' ability to evaluate QBs.

He seems to know a thing or two when it comes to choosing his signal caller if you ask me.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I think it's funny that people seem to question Gibbs' ability to evaluate QBs.

He seems to know a thing or two when it comes to choosing his signal caller if you ask me.[/QUOTE]

Yes, the record is impeccable: Theismann, Schroeder, Williams, Rypien, Brunell.

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And didn't he choose Stan Humphries as well?

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]And didn't he choose Stan Humphries as well?[/QUOTE]

Yeah but remember he let him go to SD and stuck with Rypien who only had 28 TD passes and was a SB MVP. :rolleyes:

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I think that Schefter could be making some of these details up. Since the team lost in the playoffs, there have been approximately zero OTA's, camps, drills, or practices. It would be difficult to gauge Campbell's progress then, wouldn't it? The head coach has been raving about Campbell's ability and maturity, so perhaps his opinion differs from Mr. Schefter's.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]Yes, the record is impeccable: Theismann, Schroeder, Williams, Rypien, Brunell.[/QUOTE]

Are you talking about drafting them? Theisman was already here (George Allen). Beathard selected Schroeder, Humphries, and Rypien with fifth and sixth round draft choices.

Joe dealt Schroeder and Humphries away after Beathard left (later admitting that he was wrong about Humphries who started and played fairly well for San Diego).

Brunell and Campbell were selected by Gibbs, of course. I'm not sure who picked williams.

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[QUOTE=Huddle]Are you talking about drafting them? Theisman was already here. Beathard selected Schroeder, Humphries, and Rypien with fifth and sixth round draft choices.

Joe dealt Schroeder and Humphries away after Beathard left (later admitting that he was wrong about Humphries who started and played fairly well for San Diego).

Brunell and Campbell were selected by Gibbs, of course. I'm not sure who picked williams.[/QUOTE]

Gibbs had heavy input on those picks. You're right on Theismann though, he was inherited.

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[QUOTE=Huddle]Are you talking about drafting them? Theisman was already here (George Allen). Beathard selected Schroeder, Humphries, and Rypien with fifth and sixth round draft choices.

Joe dealt Schroeder and Humphries away after Beathard left (later admitting that he was wrong about Humphries who started and played fairly well for San Diego).

Brunell and Campbell were selected by Gibbs, of course. I'm not sure who picked williams.[/QUOTE]

Gibbs basically had no input at all. I think Bethard ran the team, and JKC actually called the offense, and was BU on Punt return as well. Naturally, Riggins was quality control Mgr, and HR