Abraham for Ramsey/picks still possible?
 

hey guys, has there been any new word on this? Jets seem to be the only ones who remember Ramsey; Miami much less so now cuz of Culpeper...

do we have the cap room/cash to sign another big FA contract? do we even have any picks left to give?

we've been starved at DE for so long, i don't think thats a position we can upgrade ENOUGH. Jets could certainly use Ramsey's arm. does signing Carter dead this scenario?

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Last word was Abraham was looking for a monster bonus, in the $16M - $18M range. I think that's too high even for Snyder's taste.

I think Carter solved our DE issue and a deal for Abraham isn't likely anymore.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Last word was Abraham was looking for a monster bonus, in the $16M - $18M range. I think that's too high even for Snyder's taste.

I think Carter solved our DE issue and a deal for Abraham isn't likely anymore.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. Plus I think it's quite possible nobody will trade anything for Ramsey at this point. Teams with QB needs are pretty much satisfied with their signings at this point. The Jets have mild interest to add him as insurance for Pennington, but if they're the only team with interest they have no reason to rush into trading any picks. They can just wait us out until we need his cap room and release him.

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Plus Aaron Brooks might come on the market sometime soon.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]Plus Aaron Brooks might come on the market sometime soon.[/QUOTE]

And Joey Harrington.

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eh that sux. everybody knows Pennington throws like a girl. Ramsey would open up the whole other half of the field for them and he's proven he isn't near as fragile.

too bad about Abraham, that deal would've matched the 2 big gains on offense we made for the defense. so the best we can hope for is a 4th round pick?

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]Agreed. Plus I think it's quite possible nobody will trade anything for Ramsey at this point. Teams with QB needs are pretty much satisfied with their signings at this point. The Jets have mild interest to add him as insurance for Pennington, but if they're the only team with interest they have no reason to rush into trading any picks. They can just wait us out until we need his cap room and release him.[/QUOTE]

The more I think about the Ramsey situation, the more I think that since the redskins have had him this long, the redskins would gain more leverage the more they wait in trying to trade him. At this point, the market for him is ice cold and has the worst trade value from this point on. The way I look at it, it couldn't get worse, only better. There are some advantages to waiting: qb is a need position, which compared to other positions is the most critical. If another team would lose a starter or highly dependable 2nd stringer, it would increase his value. The chances of someone losing a qb due to injury is pretty good. They could, at the very least, keep ramsey until they signed their higher draft choice(s). That way they could reserve that cap space and roster spot for the rookie(s).

The disadvantages for the redskins would be- taking up a roster spot if they keep him after they sign their rookies. And the draft may hurt his value a little with an influx of rookie qbs hitting the nfl - the impact would be minimal because hopefully teams would view any rookie qb differently from Ramsey in at least experience (which I would expect to count a lot) and they would view them in different roles to fill on the team (because of experience).

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brooks is already on the market. harrington is complaining, and if the lions get another average QB (like mccown) they'll ditch him to avoid his 4$mill bonus (june 15th).

JA is whiny and wants monster cash. ramsey doesn't have enough value and JA i wasted money. you can only go so crazy in FA before the signings really start forcing you to cut people (not this year, but in 2007 or 2008). daniels is a decent #2, carter is a good #1. once evans re-signs (:P) our DL will be set for the year.

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[QUOTE=warriorzpath]The more I think about the Ramsey situation, the more I think that since the redskins have had him this long, the redskins would gain more leverage the more they wait in trying to trade him. At this point, the market for him is ice cold and has the worst trade value from this point on. The way I look at it, it couldn't get worse, only better. There are some advantages to waiting: qb is a need position, which compared to other positions is the most critical. If another team would lose a starter or highly dependable 2nd stringer, it would increase his value. The chances of someone losing a qb due to injury is pretty good. They could, at the very least, keep ramsey until they signed their higher draft choice(s). That way they could reserve that cap space and roster spot for the rookie(s).

The disadvantages for the redskins would be- taking up a roster spot if they keep him after they sign their rookies. And the draft may hurt his value a little with an influx of rookie qbs hitting the nfl - the impact would be minimal because hopefully teams would view any rookie qb differently from Ramsey in at least experience (which I would expect to count a lot) and they would view them in different roles to fill on the team (because of experience).[/QUOTE]

yeah, if we hold on to him like we did Gardner last year, there might be a qb injury that makes a team step up w/a higher draft pick. I don't know if cap-wise that's feasible, but I agree, at this point nobody's gonna give us anything.

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[QUOTE=illdefined]eh that sux. everybody knows Pennington throws like a girl. Ramsey would open up the whole other half of the field for them and he's proven he isn't near as fragile.

too bad about Abraham, that deal would've matched the 2 big gains on offense we made for the defense. so the best we can hope for is a 4th round pick?[/QUOTE]


Ramsey's situation is comprable to a used car with tremendous value to the owner but little in terms of blue book value. It's hard to phantom Ramsey not garnering more interest around the league. I know hindsight is 20/20 but I'm reminded of a time (maybe early last year) when the Dolphins were considering a 1st rounder for him. My! how things have changed, and Ramsey has fallen.

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The market for Ramsey is getting colder by the minute.

At this point it looks like the Skins might get stuck having to release him.

Ramsey obviously isn't as coveted as some of us may believe.

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[QUOTE=Longtimefan] I know hindsight is 20/20 but I'm reminded of a time (maybe early last year) when the Dolphins were considering a 1st rounder for him. My! how things have changed, and Ramsey has fallen.[/QUOTE]

it wasn't all hindsight. Ramsey's trade value was a big issue for many of us at the time of the fateful Brunell switch.

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[QUOTE=illdefined]it wasn't all hindsight. Ramsey's trade value was a big issue for many of us at the time of the fateful Brunell switch.[/QUOTE]

I thought about that too, but at the time, gibbs decided that it would be too much of risk to trade Ramsey at that point and not have a veteran qb already familiar with the system to back up Brunell.

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IMHO, Ramsey is going to get a 7th rounder or be released and there is no way we get Abraham.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha]IMHO, Ramsey is going to get a 7th rounder or be released and there is no way we get Abraham.[/QUOTE]

I would release him rather than get a 7th rounder from the jets, just on principle alone. But if it were me, I'd be patient and wait it out - things in the nfl change in a flash. Just think about what was going on just 7 days ago and then 14 days ago, I know there's a big difference because cba and fa starting, but my point is the nfl landscape is always changing. It's starting to slow down a bit, but that's kinda what we might want.

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[QUOTE=warriorzpath]I would release him rather than get a 7th rounder from the jets, just on principle alone. But if it were me, I'd be patient and wait it out - things in the nfl change in a flash. Just think about what was going on just 7 days ago and then 14 days ago, I know there's a big difference because cba and fa starting, but my point is the nfl landscape is always changing. It's starting to slow down a bit, but that's kinda what we might want.[/QUOTE]

Things could definately change. The problem is that everyone knows we're going to dump Ramsey. There is no way we keep 4 QBs on the roster. Plus, the free agent market is flooded with FA QBs. Finally, the teams that really need QBs have either acquired them via FA or are in great position to draft them.

I'd prefer getting a 7th rounder over nothing, no point in shooting ourselves in the foot and getting nothing for him.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha]I'd prefer getting a 7th rounder over nothing, no point in shooting ourselves in the foot and getting nothing for him.[/QUOTE]

I know it seems like releasing him would hurt the redskins, but this might impact business with other teams in the future. I would release ramsey instead of taking a low offer. That way the jets more than likely would not get him and it would show that the redskins don't give in when negotiating trades. I would also give a 7th rounder more value if the redskins had a better result with them the past couple or so years.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Ramsey obviously isn't as coveted as some of us may believe.[/QUOTE]

I agree with this statement 1000%.

But also, I don't think we should hang onto the guy any longer just to squeeze some extra trade value out of him. We should take the best deal we can possibly get, and if we have no offers come draft weekend, we should just release the guy and let him find a new team. He worked hard for us, he gave nothing but 100% effort, he took pounding after pounding in Spurrier's offense, and didn't complain at all when Brunell took over this year. I think he's been nothing but a class act. And while I don't think he's destined to be any more than a career backup in this league, I think we should do right by him. He got a bad shake here, we should just let him go now and let him sign on with a new team of his choice. He has earned that much from us, we should treat him with respect.

In fact, if all we're going to get is a 6th or 7th rounder in a trade, I'd say just release him instead so he can sign with any team rather than be forced to go to the only team that will offer a pick. Basically, in this situation, I think the right thing to do is let him choose where he wants to go. I think he earned at least that much just by virtue of his impeccable conduct over the last four years.

When you treat players with respect, the other players notice, and they'll want to play hard for you. They'll know that even if things don't work out in Washington, they can count on Gibbs to take care of them. Plus in Ramsey's case, it's just the right thing to do. It's time to let him go.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]The market for Ramsey is getting colder by the minute.

At this point it looks like the Skins might get stuck having to release him.

Ramsey obviously isn't as coveted as some of us may believe.[/QUOTE]

With Detroit signing both Kitna and Josh McCown, and with the possible release of Harrington, the market is indeed getting cold.

Ironic that both Harrrington and Ramsey may end up on the market together.

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[QUOTE=12thMan]With Detroit signing both Kitna and Josh McCown, and with the possible release of Harrington, the market is indeed getting cold.

Ironic that both Harrrington and Ramsey may end up on the market together.[/QUOTE]

And I'd be willing to bet someone snatches up Harrington before Ramsey.

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[QUOTE=12thMan]With Detroit signing both Kitna and Josh McCown, and with the possible release of Harrington, the market is indeed getting cold.

Ironic that both Harrrington and Ramsey may end up on the market together.[/QUOTE]

I don't know, being pessimistic doesn't work with me. If it were up to me, I would be patient, but I don't think that's snyder's strong suit.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]And I'd be willing to bet someone snatches up Harrington before Ramsey.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, unfortunately for us homers, and some may argue this, but I think the perception around the league is that Harrington may be a better pick-up.

We'll see...I think Ramsey may still end up in Oakland.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]And I'd be willing to bet someone snatches up Harrington before Ramsey.[/QUOTE]

The one thing that I'm banking on and willing to wait for is fa to settle down. And then it coming down to no qbs equaling to ramsey's value and just one team needing a qb desperately, whether it be a starter or a 2nd string qb with some starts.

All it takes is one team.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]He got a bad shake here, we should just let him go now and let him sign on with a new team of his choice. He has earned that much from us, we should treat him with respect.

[snip]

When you treat players with respect, the other players notice, and they'll want to play hard for you. They'll know that even if things don't work out in Washington, they can count on Gibbs to take care of them. Plus in Ramsey's case, it's just the right thing to do. It's time to let him go.[/QUOTE]

yeah you're right, he should get that choice at the VERY least. don't think many will ever think Gibbs exactly took *care* of Ramsey, considering all Ramsey put into the franchise and how little he got back, a bad shake to say the least, but i suppose it is the rightest thing to do at this point. its way past time to let Ramsey go.

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[QUOTE=illdefined]yeah you're right, he should get that choice at the VERY least. don't think many will ever think Gibbs exactly took *care* of Ramsey, considering all Ramsey put into the franchise and how little he got back, a bad shake to say the least, but i suppose it is the rightest thing to do at this point. its way past time to let Ramsey go.[/QUOTE]


hang on a minute...i am as big a fan of ramsey as there is, but i cannot fault gibbs' actions now. he wants value and ramsey is going to be well paid this year even if the skins cut him..
after that, he willneed toprove he canstart inthe nfl. he will get a second chance, even heath shuler did. then it is onhim

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that debate is way past irrelevant now, the current debate is whether a 7th round pick constitutes 'value'.