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Antonio Cromartie of Florida State, and Anwar Phillips of Penn State are two quality corners that will most likely be avaible when our 2nd round pick comes along. Cromartie was regarded as one of the best corners prior to the season last year, but suffered a season ending injury early on. Which might drop him into the 2nd round and into our hands. He showed great signs at his pro day clocking 4.37 and 4.39 40's, and had a 42inch vert. He is very big for a corner too, which I like, he's 6'2 203lbs. Phillips is rather smaller at 5'11 190lbs. He ran a 4.59 40 and had a 36inch vert. And his performance in the Orange Bowl against FSU was outstanding, shutting down 6'6 freshman wideout Greg Carr. I think both of them can have a great impact on aiding our secondary.

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anwar is too slow, stopping a 6'6" WR that sucks is no big deal. cromartie is good, either he or jonathan joseph may be there for our pick, but maybe not.

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anwar is not to slow. his football speed is faster then is forty. he is a better football player than joseph jsut not as fast. ask any gamecocks fan about that, most are glad he is gone. if you watched any PSU games or even the senior bowl you will see that he is a very solid CB. he could definatly play nickle and maybe be a 2 in a few years. i really like richard marshall from fresno state, will blackmon from boston college, and kelly jennings from miami. jennings could be gone by the time we pick in the second but blackmon and marshall should still be around. hopefully the team will try to move all of our 6th and 7th rounders and get another 5 or 4th

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wow, you guys from psu are all over your own guys. not saying its bad, but i never see anyone sweat their own guys as much as ya'll. :)

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seriously, when someone tells me every player from their school is absolutely amazing, it doesn't really help persuade.

blackmon's technique was really bad in the senoir bowl too, and he's at best a mid 3rd rounder right now.

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where are all the VT fans saying tapp is good? (which i actually agree with) even though i dont advocate us taking him.

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2005 stats:
phillips: 1int (7yard return), 30 tackles (24 solo), 10 PD
JJ: 4 ints (76 return yards), 55 tackles (42 solo), 9 PD

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[quote=PWNED]where are all the VT fans saying tapp is good? (which i actually agree with) even though i dont advocate us taking him.[/quote] i think he's have to bulk up and move to tackle :( short, and slow. good initial burst and motor though.

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true, but thats what the trainer is all for.

even though i think with the carter signing, we're good for now.

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For me, our first pick would be a tough call between the best offensive lineman available and Cromartie from Florida State. The fact that he's a rare 6'2" corner is even more enticing.

But seeing how our offense almost completely stalled when Randy Thomas went down to injury, getting a capable backup for the offensive line in the second round would be a steal.

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If Cormartie is there, I say take him...

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[quote=That Guy]anwar is too slow, stopping a 6'6" WR that sucks is no big deal. cromartie is good, either he or jonathan joseph may be there for our pick, but maybe not.[/quote]


Sorry bud, but Greg Carr doesn't suck, he had nine td's as a freshman in the one of the toughest conference in college football.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]seriously, when someone tells me every player from their school is absolutely amazing, it doesn't really help persuade.

blackmon's technique was really bad in the senoir bowl too, and he's at best a mid 3rd rounder right now.[/QUOTE]

i said anwar is a better football player than JJ but doesn't have the same kind of speed so everyone from PSU is absolutely amazing? zemaitis will be ok if he moves to saftey but he is not a cb i've said it all year, hali will be a good de not great like some are hyping him, lowery should be a solid saftey, and robinson won't do anything unless he doesn't play qb. so how absolutely amazing am i making these players sound? and if you want to look at the stats of phillips and joseph think about how many times sec teams pass compared to big ten teams.

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[quote=Staylor21]Sorry bud, but Greg Carr doesn't suck, he had nine td's as a freshman in the one of the toughest conference in college football.[/quote] maybe you should recheck his gamelogs... he got 2 TDs vs citedal and 3 vs duke.. 5 tds and 33% of his yardage came against two terriblely terrible teams. he alsso had 130 and 1 td vs wake forest. so he was only good vs teams that were 4-7 or 1-10. outide of them he was NOTHING special in any way. he also put up to 0fers.

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[quote=That Guy]maybe you should recheck his gamelogs... he got 2 TDs vs citedal and 3 vs duke.. 5 tds and 33% of his yardage came against two terriblely terrible teams. he alsso had 130 and 1 td vs wake forest. so he was only good vs teams that were 4-7 or 1-10. outide of them he was NOTHING special in any way. he also put up to 0fers.[/quote]

Carrs numbers are similar to those of two highly recruited prospects, Chad Jackson and Santonio Holmes. And Carr led the ACC in td's, a conference that has Sinorice Moss, and Calvin Johnson.

G YDS YDS/G TD
Chad Jackson 12 900 75 9
Santonio Holmes 12 977 81.4 11
Greg Carr 9 618 68.7 9
*notice the three more games they have as well.

and Holmes had 2tds vs Minn, 2tds vs Ill, 1td vs Ind, 5 out of 11 in bottom of Big Ten, and 1td vs Miami(OH).
and Jackson had 3tds vs Wyoming, 1td vs Louis, tech, 1td vs Vandy, and 1td vs SC, average SEC teams.

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[quote=That Guy]seriously, when someone tells me every player from their school is absolutely amazing, it doesn't really help persuade.
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What are the chances anyone has seen the players on their team more than the fans of the team itself? If you're looking for an honest assessment of the skills of a player, who better to ask than the people who watched every single game that player has played in?

By your reasoning, anything you had to say about Fred Smoot should be completely discounted by, let's say, the Vikings fans when they were looking to pick him up off of free agency? Does that make sense? Wouldn't you know more about Smoot's strengths and weaknesses than a Seahawks fan or a Bears fan?

By way of another example, maybe the Panthers should have paid more attention to our "biased" opinion of Rod Gardner.

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schooled!

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AC will not be there when we pick the kid from pENN STATE IS TO slow

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[quote=PSUSkinsFan21]What are the chances anyone has seen the players on their team more than the fans of the team itself? If you're looking for an honest assessment of the skills of a player, who better to ask than the people who watched every single game that player has played in?

By your reasoning, anything you had to say about Fred Smoot should be completely discounted by, let's say, the Vikings fans when they were looking to pick him up off of free agency? Does that make sense? Wouldn't you know more about Smoot's strengths and weaknesses than a Seahawks fan or a Bears fan?

By way of another example, maybe the Panthers should have paid more attention to our "biased" opinion of Rod Gardner.[/quote]

way to misread the post. there are certain guys called "homers" and listening to them is a bad idea cause they generally think everything is great. sometimes its hard to tell whos who when i see PSU in the name and PSU players are always the first (and sometimes the only) people that are brought up. sorry.

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[quote=That Guy]way to misread the post. there are certain guys called "homers" and listening to them is a bad idea cause they generally think everything is great. sometimes its hard to tell whos who when i see PSU in the name and PSU players are always the first (and sometimes the only) people that are brought up. sorry.[/quote]

Um, huh? The other PSU fan on here brought up three other non-psu names.....not just a Penn State player. I also didn't see him saying that "everything is great" with all PSU players.....or even with Anwar Phillips for that matter. He recognized that Anwar would make a good nickel CB or eventually a solid #2 CB. How is that raving about how great Anwar is? Looks to me more like a reasonable analysis of his ability based on first-hand observations made while watching the player in action. So who is really the one misreading posts here?

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[quote=Staylor21]Carrs numbers are similar to those of two highly recruited prospects, Chad Jackson and Santonio Holmes. And Carr led the ACC in td's, a conference that has Sinorice Moss, and Calvin Johnson.

G YDS YDS/G TD
Chad Jackson 12 900 75 9
Santonio Holmes 12 977 81.4 11
Greg Carr 9 618 68.7 9
*notice the three more games they have as well.

and Holmes had 2tds vs Minn, 2tds vs Ill, 1td vs Ind, 5 out of 11 in bottom of Big Ten, and 1td vs Miami(OH).
and Jackson had 3tds vs Wyoming, 1td vs Louis, tech, 1td vs Vandy, and 1td vs SC, average SEC teams.[/quote]

Though he may have only started 9 games, the official ncaa stat database on him says he played in 11 games (recording a tackle in one game where he had 0 catches and getting 0 in another game as well).
[url]http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/playerDetail.jsp?yr=2005&org=234&player=89[/url]

minn was a winning team and holmes had 124yds and 1 td vs ND and 73 and a TD vs texas. carr only had 3 good games andd they were ALL against terrible teams. holmes didn't go shrinking violet any time someone good came to play.

jackson is going high mainly on his 40 time, but he was more consistant last year and those average SEC teams are much more impressive than wailing on a 1 and 10 last place duke team.

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[quote=PSUSkinsFan21]Um, huh? The other PSU fan on here brought up three other non-psu names.....not just a Penn State player. I also didn't see him saying that "everything is great" with all PSU players.....or even with Anwar Phillips for that matter. He recognized that Anwar would make a good nickel CB or eventually a solid #2 CB. How is that raving about how great Anwar is? Looks to me more like a reasonable analysis of his ability based on first-hand observations made while watching the player in action. So who is really the one misreading posts here?[/quote]

apparently you are. I said sometimes its hard to tell if someone is homering or giving an honest assessment, i apologized if i mistook.

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I would like to know how a 4.6 guy will be able to keep up with a WR that runs a 4.27... no matter how much faster "he plays over his 40 time" it limits his versatility and upside, as does being 5'11 with a 35" vert (compared to taylor or other corners that are taller have 40"+ verts).

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[quote=That Guy]Though he may have only started 9 games, the official ncaa stat database on him says he played in 11 games (recording a tackle in one game where he had 0 catches and getting 0 in another game as well).
[URL="http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/playerDetail.jsp?yr=2005&org=234&player=89"]http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/playerDetail.jsp?yr=2005&org=234&player=89[/URL]

minn was a winning team and holmes had 124yds and 1 td vs ND and 73 and a TD vs texas. carr only had 3 good games andd they were ALL against terrible teams. holmes didn't go shrinking violet any time someone good came to play.

jackson is going high mainly on his 40 time, but he was more consistant last year and those average SEC teams are much more impressive than wailing on a 1 and 10 last place duke team.[/quote]


haha this is fun, another point on my side of this is that Carr didn't have a Matt Leinahrt type qb throwing him the ball either. He had yet another FSU freshman, Drew Weatherford, throwing the ball. Look out for the 'Noles in the near future!

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by the way im a FSU fan, although I go to PSU. I would def. rather Cromartie, I was just throwin his name out there because he shot down the FSU wr's in the Orange Bowl.

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[quote=Staylor21]by the way im a FSU fan, although I go to PSU. [/quote]

WHAT??!!!! HOW COULD YOU??!!! That just hurts me to read.

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[quote=Staylor21]haha this is fun, another point on my side of this is that Carr didn't have a Matt Leinahrt type qb throwing him the ball either. He had yet another FSU freshman, Drew Weatherford, throwing the ball. Look out for the 'Noles in the near future![/quote]

weatherford is actually a pretty good freshman qb. not nearly as good on TD/int as the other two had, but his yardage is better and it looks like the ball is spread more evenly... still when carr comes out i doubt he'll get any notice unless he can step up when the competition isn't crap.

speaking of 6'6", next year the 2nd punter taken will be 6'6"... not relevent, but really strange. the #1 WR taken in 2007 might be 6'5"-6'6" Jeff S from ND though.

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[quote=That Guy]weatherford is actually a pretty good freshman qb. not nearly as good on TD/int as the other two had, but his yardage is better and it looks like the ball is spread more evenly... still when carr comes out i doubt he'll get any notice unless he can step up when the competition isn't crap.

speaking of 6'6", next year the 2nd punter taken will be 6'6"... not relevent, but really strange. the #1 WR taken in 2007 might be 6'5"-6'6" Jeff S from ND though.[/quote]

I agree with you on Smardjza, or whatever, being number one, and in 2010 the number wr taken will be none other than 6'6" Greg Carr, that is if he doesn't leave early. And yeah Weatheford is good, just tryin to prove my point he was an experienced freshman throwin the ball to Carr, and he did a good job, most yards in the country I believe as a freshman.

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With the second rd pick the skins should take the best player of need available (LB or DB).

Maybe they can get that LB from Alabama. What are your thoughts gents?

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[quote=JBartell05]With the second rd pick the skins should take the best player of need available (LB or DB).

Maybe they can get that LB from Alabama. What are your thoughts gents?[/quote]

whic one? ryans or roach?

ryans is great, but he won't be there when we pick. roach will probably be there in the 5th, but he's a 4.95 guy, which really hurts his usefulness. at that speed, roach can't cover in man and he can't rush the passer very well either. In the 5th there's better prospects than him.

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that guy,im with you.im in the heart of psu country,and if you listened to the fans,every player on that team is "awesome,a future nfl star".after seeing a handful of psu games this year,phillips is a marginal player at best

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[quote=dmek25]that guy,im with you.im in the heart of psu country,and if you listened to the fans,every player on that team is "awesome,a future nfl star".after seeing a handful of psu games this year,phillips is a marginal player at best[/quote]

Which games did you watch in which Phillips was "marginal at best"?

I also don't understand who here is saying that every PSU player is a future nfl star. You've got two fans in this discussion thread that have said no such thing. Blanket statements aren't likely to get you very far. That'd be like me saying Redskins fans make conclusory statements without offering any support for such statements simply because you do.

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im trying to translate phillips ability to play in the nfl.he was a good college corner,but at his size,and speed i dont have high hopes for him at the next level

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[quote=dmek25]im trying to translate phillips ability to play in the nfl.he was a good college corner,but at his size,and speed i dont have high hopes for him at the next level[/quote]

5-11+ and 190lbs? What's wrong with that size? Do I really need to list all of the pro bowl caliber CBs who are that same size or smaller? More less the CBs that are having very solid careers in the NFL with less size?

I'm not saying Phillips will be a pro bowler, because I don't believe he ever will, but to say that he can't cut it in the NFL because he's too small at 5-11/190 just doesn't make sense. We're not talking about taking him in the first round with a top 15 selection.......we're talking about the potential of adding him as a #3/nickel CB with a late 2nd round pick.

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[quote=PSUSkinsFan21]5-11+ and 190lbs? What's wrong with that size? Do I really need to list all of the pro bowl caliber CBs who are that same size or smaller? More less the CBs that are having very solid careers in the NFL with less size?

I'm not saying Phillips will be a pro bowler, because I don't believe he ever will, but to say that he can't cut it in the NFL because he's too small at 5-11/190 just doesn't make sense. We're not talking about taking him in the first round with a top 15 selection.......we're talking about the potential of adding him as a #3/nickel CB with a late 2nd round pick.[/quote]

wouldn't you rather get someone at that spot that had more upside than just a #3 though?

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[quote=That Guy]wouldn't you rather get someone at that spot that had more upside than just a #3 though?[/quote]

Sure, if one is available. Personally, however, I don't think any of the CBs that will be available that late in the second round have the ability to be immediate #2 CBs. I do think that Phillips has the upside to be a #2 in a couple years, as well as a number of other CBs. My point was only that we need a #3 CB right now, and that we can get that #3 CB in the draft (whether it be Phillips or someone else). Hopefully they can grow into a #2 in a few years, but for right now, we can't expect to find a solid #2 that late in the draft. Getting Fred Smoot when we did was the exception to the rule (and even he wasn't a late 2nd rounder).

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i don't think phillips could really ever be a good #2. maybe a decent one...

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[quote=That Guy]i don't think phillips could really ever be a good #2. maybe a decent one...[/quote]

I guess only time will tell.

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the 4.6 speed is what bothers me,maybe he can play safety

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how about looking into a free agent corner?