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Vinny Cerrato has, for reasons unbeknownst to me, inspired quite a bit of animosity among this and other fan sites. Here's why this doesn't upset me at all:

By and large, I've been happy with the player acquisitions of the past two years. Some of the moves (moving Coles, releasing Arrington) have been controversial, but I think we all see that the [i]team[/i] is better for them. While Cerrato may not be the guiding hand behind them, he has been the person who facilitates those moves, and clearly Gibbs thinks he handles that well.

I also wonder why "White Shirt" Vinny gets the grief he does. He has worked in football for years (1986-1991, Head of Recruiting, Notre Dame; 1991-1994, Director of College Scouting, 49ers; 1995-1999, Director of Player Personnel, 49ers) before he began to play handball with Dan Snyder, so denigrating him for his friendship with the owners rings false.

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Well, I still don't like his aftershave and you never even addressed that issue.

I guess my thought has been if Gibbs has him around...I trust that.

Good info. I didn't know that stuff.

peace
mike

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[QUOTE=Sammy Baugh Fan]Well, I still don't like his aftershave and you never even addressed that issue.[/QUOTE]

Good point. There's [I]something[/I] about an Aqua Velva man...

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I see Vinny as an asset actually. He's not someone you want making final decisions. And he doesn't make any final decisions for the Redskins. But he's good at collecting information for Gibbs to make a decision on. That's pretty much all he is. Some people seem to expect him to be more than that, or want him to be more than that. But I think you need to appreciate him for what he is, a hard worker who's willing to put in a lot of time collecting information on players.

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as a scout he's alright... a lot of people blame him for ramming the 49ers orginization head first into their ongoing state of craptitude, and he was also around here for some seriously bad drafts and free agency binges here. So either the bad ideas were his, or he had absolutely no power to stop them. Neither option is all that great.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]I see Vinny as an asset actually. He's not someone you want making final decisions. And he doesn't make any final decisions for the Redskins. But he's good at collecting information for Gibbs to make a decision on. That's pretty much all he is. Some people seem to expect him to be more than that, or want him to be more than that. But I think you need to appreciate him for what he is, a hard worker who's willing to put in a lot of time collecting information on players.[/QUOTE]

Vinny is an overpaid scout. That is all he does and makes a ton of dough.

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Vinny has really improved his own stock over the last few years. He had a run where he made some awful decesions, but he's on the up and up now.

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He must be doing something right.

He's not as involved in personnel as people think he is currently, and he seems to be an easy target for some people whenever they want to cry about personnel issues.

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I have a difficult time judging his performance, because Im not 100% sure what he does.

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Keep him. He's part of the Gibbs team.

The dislike came from the time when Daniel Snyder called the football shots and failed spectacularly. Cerrato was his deputy, but was not able to moderate Snyder's impulses. However, [B]no one[/B] at that time could have contained Snyder. So, while Vinnie shares some of the blame for the '99 - '03 teams, it is a unfair to blame it all on him. Even today, there's only one man Snyder will listen to -- and it ain't Vinnie!!!

With the Redskins improvement, there are plenty of reasons to like Cerrato and [URL="http://runningredskins.blogspot.com/2006/01/why-i-like-daniel-snyder-now.html"]Daniel Snyder[/URL].

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Lol vinny reminds me of a loan shark. I dunno why, i just get this feeling from looking at his picture.

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[quote=mooby]Lol vinny reminds me of a loan shark. I dunno why, i just get this feeling from looking at his picture.[/quote]

Yeah, it just seems like he should be working in NY.

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I say if you got a front office that wants to win as much as they do, no matter what it cost its great for us, the fans. Now I dont know what everyone does from day to day but they do know how to excite me with all of the moves they make. Joes back and he had one bad season and one good season. And so far this off season has been good, so I say someones doin somethin right and Id rather let the people that get paid for it worry about the politics. Im gonna ride with any decision they make whether its good or bad. Ive been a fan thru the worst of times and that will never change. If you remember Joe only had two losing seaons in his career, his first season as a head coach and his first season back with us. So he definately knows how to win and im sure he wouldnt want anyone around that dont make good decisions.

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Joe likes him--nuff said.

He was an easy mark when the team was sucking, but I think the FA pickups since 2000 have been generally very good--Washington, Griffen, Thomas, Rabach, etc.

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[quote=PorterHouse]I say if you got a front office that wants to win as much as they do, no matter what it cost its great for us, the fans. Now I dont know what everyone does from day to day but they do know how to excite me with all of the moves they make. Joes back and he had one bad season and one good season. And so far this off season has been good, so I say someones doin somethin right and Id rather let the people that get paid for it worry about the politics. Im gonna ride with any decision they make whether its good or bad. Ive been a fan thru the worst of times and that will never change. If you remember Joe only had two losing seaons in his career, his first season as a head coach and his first season back with us. So he definately knows how to win and im sure he wouldnt want anyone around that dont make good decisions.[/quote]

he went 8-8 his first year, that's not a losing season. I think he had one 7-9 year somewhere in there though.

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as long as coach gibbs gives him a thumbs up,im down with vinnie

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[quote=That Guy]as a scout he's alright... a lot of people blame him for ramming the 49ers orginization head first into their ongoing state of craptitude, and he was also around here for some seriously bad drafts and free agency binges here. So either the bad ideas were his, or he had absolutely no power to stop them. Neither option is all that great.[/quote]


OK you guys need to explain this to me .You just gave the answer to the question why people don't like him,why do you like him ,Gibbs makes all the calls if not him Danny so why Vinny?

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[QUOTE=Monksdown]I have a difficult time judging his performance, because Im not 100% sure what he does.[/QUOTE]

My thoughts exactly. Preach on brother, preach on.

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he gets the job done when we need him. he must be a good public relations type of guy too and i do think he is an important part of our team.

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[quote=VishsSkins]he gets the job done when we need him. he must be a good public relations type of guy too and i do think he is an important part of our team.[/quote]


What job ?

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Just as when Snyder first got here, Vinny also had a new learning curve working with the new owner, new team, etc.

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[quote=Defensewins]Vinny is an overpaid scout. That is all he does and makes a ton of dough.[/quote]

Who the H-E-double hockey sticks cares how much money he's making?? It doesn't count against the cap, so why would we care as fans whether or not he's a bargain for Dan Snyder?

You did get one part right though, he is a scout. He works well with Gibbs; he and his department collect and package information on players to provide to Gibbs. Then Gibbs (or Gregg Williams) makes the call on which players to pursue.

He doesn't have any decision making responsibilities. Those duties fall to Gibbs. But he works well with Gibbs and acts as support; and as long as Gibbs has been making the moves he has for the last two years, I don't see why we'd want to change a thing about the front office structure.

In the end he might be overpaid, but I'm not sure why we should care about that.

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[quote=Schneed10]In the end he might be overpaid, but I'm not sure why we should care about that.[/quote]

Just something to bitch about.

Who isn't overpaid in the sports and entertainment industry anyway??

Gibbs makes $5M a year to coach a football team, that's insane.

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[url]http://www.washtimes.com/sports/20040107-115523-1978r.htm[/url]

Gibbs and Cerrato each get a vote, Danny is the tie breaker, according to this article. Same way Spurriers' regime was setup.

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[quote=Daseal][URL="http://www.washtimes.com/sports/20040107-115523-1978r.htm"]http://www.washtimes.com/sports/20040107-115523-1978r.htm[/URL]

Gibbs and Cerrato each get a vote, Danny is the tie breaker, according to this article. Same way Spurriers' regime was setup.[/quote]

gibbss has veto power over everyone.

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[quote=Daseal][URL="http://www.washtimes.com/sports/20040107-115523-1978r.htm"]http://www.washtimes.com/sports/20040107-115523-1978r.htm[/URL]

Gibbs and Cerrato each get a vote, Danny is the tie breaker, according to this article. Same way Spurriers' regime was setup.[/quote]

Yeah that's what they say in the press so Vinny C can save some face and not seem like the subordinate. Gibbs is in total control.

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That Guy or Schneed, not that I don't believe you, but do you have any sources?

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[QUOTE=Daseal]That Guy or Schneed, not that I don't believe you, but do you have any sources?[/QUOTE]

I'll give you a [url=http://extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=95692]source[/url]

"Vinny Cerrato: The coach has the final say. We'll go through the whole process. We'll put everybody in an order. Then it will come down to the coach saying this is what I need or this is what I don't need.

Dan takes no say so in the player moves. He gives it all to Coach Gibbs. We all work together to come up with an answer and then the coach makes the final call. Like he says, somebody has to make the final call. He does."

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Even without a source it doesn't take a genius to see Gibbs is running the show.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Just something to bitch about.

Who isn't overpaid in the sports and entertainment industry anyway??

Gibbs makes $5M a year to coach a football team, that's insane.[/QUOTE]

I think the general rule of thumb when complaining on the internet is that "Anyone who makes more money than me is overpaid."

There's a large segment of society that hates to see other people make more money than they do, and most of them appear to have internet access.