Weight Of Division Record
 

So I was bored and was rummaging around some of the old threads on here and came across the link to CBS Sportsline's Power Rankings, where the Skins are currently the lowest ranked NFC East team (all four NFC East teams are in the top half of their rankings). I know we've all moaned about this and similar rankings in the past and of course, the poll is just someone's stupid opinion, but it got me riled up again, particularly since we had the best division record last season.

If I understand the rules correctly, a team's divisional record has no weight in the team's status as a 'Division Champion' (aside from the fact that the more division games you win, the better your W/L record will be compared to other teams in the division, and therefore, the greater chance you have of being the Division Champion). But on it's own, the divisional record is only used for tiebreaking procedures.

So do you guys think the divisional record, on it's own, should factor into the determination of the Divisional Champ? If so, how? Or would that unnecessarily complicate the standings? Forgive me if this idea has already been dissected.

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I think it should. I mean if the Skins wouldn't have lost those AFC games this year, THEY would have been the NFC champs.

I say let the division record determine who's the divisional champ and if there needs to be a tiebreaker, use the overall record.

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[quote=crlesh]So I was bored and was rummaging around some of the old threads on here and came across the link to CBS Sportsline's Power Rankings, where the Skins are currently the lowest ranked NFC East team (all four NFC East teams are in the top half of their rankings). I know we've all moaned about this and similar rankings in the past and of course, the poll is just someone's stupid opinion, but it got me riled up again, particularly since we had the best division record last season.

If I understand the rules correctly, a team's divisional record has no weight in the team's status as a 'Division Champion' (aside from the fact that the more division games you win, the better your W/L record will be compared to other teams in the division, and therefore, the greater chance you have of being the Division Champion). But on it's own, the divisional record is only used for tiebreaking procedures.

So do you guys think the divisional record, on it's own, should factor into the determination of the Divisional Champ? If so, how? Or would that unnecessarily complicate the standings? Forgive me if this idea has already been dissected.[/quote]No I don't think the divisonal record should be any more of a deciding factor in deciding the champion than a tiebreaker. The sample size is too small.

Don't put too much (translation: any) stock into the CBS powerrankings. They are all Pete Prisco's opinions, and he makes ST21 look like a genius in most of his writings.

-EDIT-500th post!

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And you didn't say anything about BSB?! For shame.

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Maybe at 1000...500 is too insignificant to honor him with.

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Just wait unless he sees that.

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Anyway, how are you not division champion if you've beaten EVERYONE in your division, but just had bad luck elsewhere? It's kind of pointless to me to award someone you've maybe swept, division champ.

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just win the games your supposed to and the tiebreakers dont matter.and by the way,good morning tmc

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Good morning to you sir.

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[quote=GTripp0012]They are all Pete Prisco's opinions, and he makes ST21 look like a genius in most of his writings.
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:laughing2 Awesome, I love it.

And Congrats on 500!

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I got into an arguement with a random [B]Vag-iants[/B] (I just came up with that one and I'm very proud) fan over this a couple of months ago. He randomly started talking shit to me because of my Skins hat at a bar even though (at the time) we were still in the playoffs and they had been shut out at home by Carolina. He tried to say they had such a great season b/c they won the division, but he wouldn't listen to my arguement that we had a better division/playoff record.

I honestly believe that if you go 6-10 with your only wins coming against division teams, you should have every right to claim the division championship. If the other teams couldn't beat you at least once, are they really that much better?


division.

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Don't all teams in the division the same teams except for in 2 games? We lost our division last year because we lost to KC and/or Oakland and the Giants beat them. Seems fair to me.

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[QUOTE=ArtMonkDrillz][B]Vag-iants[/B][/QUOTE]
Sorry to burst the bubble but that one has been around here for a while.

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Sorry Grillz, that reference is old unfortunately. If there's a hilarious name to call the other teams, we've all thought of it.

I always liked the OBGYants.

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Damn, we all just gang-raped Grillz. LOL

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection]Damn, we all just gang-raped Grillz. LOL[/quote]

it's like juvie all over again:( . I knew I wasn't that clever.

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I agree with the above poster, pretty much everyone in our division plays the same teams, I like how it's setup now.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz]I got into an arguement with a random [B]Vag-iants[/B] (I just came up with that one and I'm very proud) fan over this a couple of months ago. He randomly started talking shit to me because of my Skins hat at a bar even though (at the time) we were still in the playoffs and they had been shut out at home by Carolina. He tried to say they had such a great season b/c they won the division, but he wouldn't listen to my arguement that we had a better division/playoff record.

I honestly believe that if you go 6-10 with your only wins coming against division teams, you should have every right to claim the division championship. If the other teams couldn't beat you at least once, are they really that much better?


division.[/quote]

This argument makes no sense to me. We don't just play the 6 games within the division, we also play 8 other games against opponents that each of the NFC East teams also has to play. That makes 14 games against common opponents, and each one is a fair measuring stick to use to compare to your division.

Division champion based on six games??? Are you guys crazy? That would render the other 10 games of the season almost meaningless. There are 12 playoff spots, 8 of which are reserved for division champs.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz]it's like juvie all over again:( . I knew I wasn't that clever.[/quote]

But you still came up with it on your own without seeing it anywhere, right? You didn't know it was already around, so you can feel good about that.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection]Sorry Grillz, that reference is old unfortunately. If there's a hilarious name to call the other teams, we've all thought of it.

I always liked the OBGYants.[/quote]

The ones I like for the division teams are:
Gay-Ain'ts
Dall-Asses
E-Girls

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It's fine as it is now... imagine having a division winner with less overall wins than the 2nd place team?? That would be a real head scratcher. With only 6 division games, it would place way too much emphasis on those games.

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I never advocated basing the championship soley on divisional record... rather wanted to see if others thought there was merit in giving [B]some[/B] weight to divisional record as a separate entity.

Divisional rivalries might become overemphasized, however. Some good thoughts being thrown out.

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[quote=GTripp0012]Maybe at 1000...500 is too insignificant to honor him with.[/quote]
yes, you are reaching that 1000 mark rather quickly so the 500 mark is considered to miniscule to bother THE BSB with. I will be watching at 1000, yet today I don't know why I feel like I should be honored, almost like it is a special day... HMMMM.

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[QUOTE=BigSKINBauer]yes, you are reaching that 1000 mark rather quickly so the 500 mark is considered to miniscule to bother THE BSB with. I will be watching at 1000, yet today I don't know why I feel like I should be honored, almost like it is a special day... HMMMM.[/QUOTE]

Today is a very special day...Happy Birthday Itvnetop!!!!! Woooh!!!!

Happy Birthday to you as well BSB

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no, i like the fact that we play the same teams as our competition outside of 2 games and it makes more than just 6 games important but those six are still extremely important because you can serve up a loss to someone.

I do think the season could be extended though. Add 1 more bye take away 2 pre season games and play 2 more games every year agaist 2 teams of the 6 that are not played in the conference. If 4 games could be added I would say play 1 full division in each conference and 1 game in the other 5 conferences plus 6 inside the division games being 8+6+6=20 games. ehhh, 20 might be to much but I would like 2 more games a year. The off season is just to long.

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[quote=TAFKAS]Today is a very special day...Happy Birthday Itvnetop!!!!! Woooh!!!!

Happy Birthday to you as well BSB[/quote]
Thanks, but I almost forgot it was my birthday, being Itvnetop's today too. YAY ITVNETOP!!!!:food-smil

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[quote=Mattyk72]It's fine as it is now... imagine having a division winner with less overall wins than the 2nd place team?? That would be a real head scratcher. With only 6 division games, it would place way too much emphasis on those games.[/quote]

But the way it is now, a team can go 10-6, losing all of their divisional games, and they could still win the division based on overall record. That makes no sense either, IMO.

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itvnetop and bsb,happy bday!

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thanks dmek

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz]But the way it is now, a team can go 10-6, losing all of their divisional games, and they could still win the division based on overall record. That makes no sense either, IMO.[/quote]

Of course that could happen, but chances are pretty slim.

Even if that did happen, I wouldn't have a problem with that vs. a team going 6-10 and winning the division.

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[quote=Mattyk72]It's fine as it is now... imagine having a division winner with less overall wins than the 2nd place team?? That would be a real head scratcher. With only 6 division games, it would place way too much emphasis on those games.[/quote]

It would be a head scratcher no doubt, but I also believe that's based on the precedent that we KNOW that the divisional winner is also the one with the best record regardless. Hell, I'd be all for a tournament at the end of the season with the first seed playing the fourth. It would give us some more football at the end of the year.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection]Anyway, how are you not division champion if you've beaten EVERYONE in your division, but just had bad luck elsewhere? It's kind of pointless to me to award someone you've maybe swept, division champ.[/quote]

Because the NFL says best record W-L with-in your divison not best record among the divison teams.For my 2 cents ,I think it should count for more .

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It definitely should. But the problem is, it would have to be black or white. If you start having qualifiers it would get REALLY complicated, in turn making the playoff picture complicated.

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The way it's set up, the NFL desires the division winner to be the best team in that division from a leaguewide perspective. If they were to make it by division record, they would probably have to take away the automatic top 4 seed playoff berth to the division winner, which IMO renders divisions pretty insignificant. Congrats, Arizona! You are 6-10 and win this year's Mike Holmgren trophy. You can now watch the playoffs from the comfort of your own homes!

It's fine right now, IMO.