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Just checked. According to [url]http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/daily_sked[/url], Sterling Sharpe Division breakdown for today is the NFC East

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Do we come out on top?

Sharpe is pretty unbiased I think.

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Still think its too soon to do any predicting, the east is the toughest division in the NFL, all 4 teams have claims to come out on top and i dont care what some "expert" has to say about it. In the end it will come down to the team with the least injuries, best depth and the most determination.

that doesnt mean i wont be watching it, thanks for the update :biggthump

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Don't have Network can someone put the major points in the baord that he says of each team

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[QUOTE=Hail2theskins]Still think its too soon to do any predicting . . .[/QUOTE]

Two Words:

Al

Saunders

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Well yeah as much of an impact he will have I thinnk we'll really see Saunders offense in full effect in his 2nd season

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[QUOTE=Hail2theskins]Well yeah as much of an impact he will have I thinnk we'll really see Saunders offense in full effect in his 2nd season[/QUOTE]

Yeah, maybe, but how many more games would we have won if we had had Saunders last year. I say we have at least a TD better offense, which means we probably would have had home field advantage for 1 or 2 games.

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valid point, a touchdown better a game, puts us ahead of seattle in the playoffs, KC, Denver and Tampa Bay

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[QUOTE=Hail2theskins]valid point, a touchdown better a game, puts us ahead of seattle in the playoffs, KC, Denver and Tampa Bay[/QUOTE]

Yes, Hail2, barring serious injuries, we're playing in Miami in February!!!!

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Made good points about Randel El and Archelleta being fairly bad signings for the price we paid. Pretty much said we haven't improved much from last year. Gave decent reasoning for it. Said Archelleta is a hitter and in our division will be forced to match up vs TEs and he sees that as a huge problem.

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Except that Sean Taylor and Marcus Washington will be covering the TEs.

Adam will be keying on run support!

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[quote=Daseal]Made good points about Randel El and Archelleta being fairly bad signings for the price we paid. Pretty much said we haven't improved much from last year. Gave decent reasoning for it. Said Archelleta is a hitter and in our division will be forced to match up vs TEs and he sees that as a huge problem.[/quote]

yeah that pretty much summed it up. He didn't even mention Carter or Lloyd though and the impact they are going to have.

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[QUOTE=Daseal]Made good points about Randel El and Archelleta being fairly bad signings for the price we paid. Pretty much said we haven't improved much from last year. Gave decent reasoning for it. Said Archelleta is a hitter and in our division will be forced to match up vs TEs and he sees that as a huge problem.[/QUOTE]
Here's my quarrel with that assesment. What does price have to do with performance. Randle El as a third WR and punt returner and we haven't improved much over Thrash? Isn't Brandon Lloyd an upgrade from Patten? I can agree somewhat about Archuleta being a hitter vs. a cover safety but is he better than Clark? With the way that Williams runs his defense I can't see them utilizing him in coverage much..

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[QUOTE=Daseal]Made good points about Randel El and Archelleta being fairly bad signings for the price we paid. Pretty much said we haven't improved much from last year. Gave decent reasoning for it. Said Archelleta is a hitter and in our division will be forced to match up vs TEs and he sees that as a huge problem.[/QUOTE]
I have always felt Sharpe was a big time group thinker. He tends to espouse those types of views seeing as he came from the group think training grounds of ESPN.

His points about players for the dollars are somewhat valid if taken within the [B]IN[/B]proper context. But in our case and a few others it simply takes more analysis than simply looking at it and saying we over-paid. There are basically two strategies for shaping a team's payroll. One involves careful structuring of salaries balanced with reasonable signing bonuses. The other calls for expanded bonuses with minimal initial salaries. The benefits of each can be argued but each basically allows teams to build talented teams. The Skins of course have pioneered the later. When these group thinkers say we over-paid they are looking at total value mostly which is of course often very irrelevant since no player will ever end up making the money of the entire contract. One advantage of this type of contracting is that it does allow you to seemingly pay "more" for players so when they say we over paid we actually in reality based on the context of the Skins contracting structure really didn't. They paid about market price when adjusted for their contracting structure in other words.

As far as not getting much better I am simply perplexed. Our main offensive problem last year was our lack of a 2nd WR. We added 2. Problem solved times 2. Our other offensive issues are lack of overall offensive effectiveness and an aging QB. We adde Saunders which can only be seen as helping the former and there wasn't much to be done about the latter. As far defense goes we addressed our main concern by acquiring a pash rusher of greater value than we have had in years and I am really perplexed by his valuation of Arch. Is he saying what we had was just as good? I think most objective scouts realize Arch is far better in coverage than he used to be and brings a serious upgrade in hitting the the secondary. That is definitely better than what we had.

We were one TD away from the NFC championship. With health we are obvious contnders since we have upgraded at the few spots where we needed.

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Price is right! (sorry, couldn't resist) Price has nothing to do with performance.

And one other thing FRPLG. Adam's performance in coverage while with the Rams can't be compared with what he'll do in our much more agressive, better disguised defense.

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I am simply hung up on the fact that he was so hung up on randle el as if he was going to be our #2 reciever. He completley neglected the fact that we signed lloyd and he will in my opinion easily be the number 2 next year. Randle El not only brings a better #3 reciever but he brings a lot to our special teams play.

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you value price to production, and for their current production saying we overpaid is fairly valid. we had the space, we got the guys we wanted, but at that price point it WILL limit us more down the road. That's part of why we lead in deadcap, which is a definite competitive disadvantage, but only when other teams are able to load up near the cap limit with better value contracts, otherwise it's a bit moot.

I don't see hwo they can say we haven't improved though.

Lost:
Lavar Arrington
Patrick Ramsey
Ryan Clark
Walt Harris
Ray Brown

Gained:
Al Saunders
Jerry Gray
Andre Carter
Brandon Lloyd
Antwaan Randle-El
Adam Archuleta
Kenny Wright
Todd Collins
Fauria
McIntosh
Havner
Chijioke
more OL/DL depth
better ST players

we have a 5th starter (wynn) on the DL, and besides arrington and ramsey, we have lots of upgrades. OC, DC-DBs, SS, WR #2/#3/#4/#5, TE #2, CB #3, DE #1/#2/#3/#4, DT #3/#4, KR/PR #1, coverage teams.

QB is still a question, OLB is a concern, and our OL depth has no proven starter, BUT at least this year our strong safety won't get bitched by alstott or LT trying to make a game saving tackle.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]you value price to production, and for their current production saying we overpaid is fairly valid. we had the space, we got the guys we wanted, but at that price point it WILL limit us more down the road. That's part of why we lead in deadcap, which is a definite competitive disadvantage, but only when other teams are able to load up near the cap limit with better value contracts, otherwise it's a bit moot.
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I still think our strategy allows us to spend more on paper but really get the same value to price. We can simply spend more dollars as long as the players acquired are young and productive. We do less with a dollar than other teams who contract diffrently but it allows us to have more dollars in a sense making it mostly a wash.

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Am I the only one who remembers when Gibbs first time around coaching our special teams would every now and again run reverses and latterals on kick return and punt return? We have not seen that yet on special teams. With the addition of ARE and with Moss having ST experience does anyone else think that now Gibbs may have guys that he will trust to do things like that?

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[quote=FRPLG]I still think our strategy allows us to spend more on paper but really get the same value to price. We can simply spend more dollars as long as the players acquired are young and productive. We do less with a dollar than other teams who contract diffrently but it allows us to have more dollars in a sense making it mostly a wash.[/quote]

unless they use as much cap space as us that's filled with better value per dollar it is a wash. danny spends, and while the eagles are fairly close in talent and way better in price/performance, they have 20-30mill left unspent each year. if they don't use that space, we can just waste deadcap and spend more on crap value contracts and end up even on the field.

the eagles' money is more evenly spread among their players, ours is extremely loaded towards starters (except for wynn and, in a lesser sense, collins). you can only put as much talent on the field as you can fit into those 22 starting players though, and better talent there gets exceeding expensive pretty quickly.

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when accessing the redskins,what does it matter who got what money?mr snyder will take care of paying these guys.if they fit a need for the team,then they are the right move,regardless of what they make.all the free agents picked up will start somewhere,so i say we did pretty will in our additions

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My biggest problem with Sharpe's NFC East [U]ass[/U]essment is that he picked the Pukes to win the division. Are you kidding me!

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Everyone is. It's not anything new. They think that TO is going to put them over the top. Apparently he couldn't do that for a way-better-than-the-Cowboys Eagles team, so why do think they he can do it for them?

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Where else did they improve? I think their line on both sides of the ball is going to be worse...And they got rid of Glover.

You know what, I'm happy no one's picking the Skins to win the division. I don't want them to jinx us.

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In this division, regardless of what happens, at least two teams, mayeb three, will be suprised if they don't make the playoffs. It's a real crap shoot.

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I'm quietly optomistic

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[quote=That Guy]BUT at least this year our strong safety won't get bitched by alstott or LT trying to make a game saving tackle.[/quote]

You know that's what I was thinking. Getting Archuleta should take care of the big running plays that the defense was allowing last season. That's probably gibbs's intention anyway. Those big runs really hurt last season and might have been the weakest part of the defense.

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When the middle of our d-line was banged up that's when teams were finding success on the ground against us.

Having a healthy Griffin and Salave'a in the middle makes all the difference in the world.

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Let all of these media people have their say. Let them doubt Gibbs and Co. It will make it all that much sweeter when the games start.

I dont see the Cowboy's...maybe I'm blind. The Giants are our biggest competition. The Eagles could bounce back. The Cowboys will finish in the basement of this division IMO.

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[quote=Manusky91]Where else did they improve? I think their line on both sides of the ball is going to be worse...And they got rid of Glover.
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how can you say that both lines are worse? just because we let go of Allen? we borught Fabini to help at the RT position that hurth us last year we have Adams back and you saw how mutch it hurth not having him the second time we face you guys from a 0 sack performance to a 7 sack if Adams and Rivera are 100% and with kosier there it will be an upgrade.

Also the Line don't get me wrong Gliver is 1 of the best players to use the Cowbosy uniform but his a 1 gap tackle not a NT he ddin't fit with the 3-4 system so he had to be let go we've got ferguson there and also M. Stanley our draft pick to be his backup and with Canty, Spears in their second year and allready showed great potential and to that you add Ellis and Hatcher as a more nickle treath the line looks great

and the LB corps you have Ware, B.James, FA adquisition Ayodele and 1st round pick Carpenter really you can't say they didn't improve.

You can argew wich team may b better but you can't argew that DBoiz have improved this offseason in an allready good team.

Like I can't arguew that the adquisition of Sauders, Lloyd and Randall won't make your offense better

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D'BOYZ-

I will agree that you guys had a good draft, and your LB corps should be improved. My only caution is that when you rely on a rookie for immediate impact - and Carpenter really does need to be that guy for you guys - you take a big chance. Most rookies don't get a chance to impact the game in their first year - even in a more instictual position like LB. If Carpenter isn't the impact guy you expect, it will adversely affect the whole defense (one of the curses of the 3-4 is that it requires that LB group to shine, or everyone around them suffers.)

Can we at least agree that the Eagles are in for a long year?

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The cowboys, giants, and eagles may be formidable, but they all seem to be missing something. The cowboys are missing a leader especially on offense and don't have much of a running game. The giants are overhyped as a team and still have an inconsistent passing game. The eagles are still trying to recover from T.O. and the loss of Brad Childress may also affect them.

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D'Boyz, The reason I said that about your line is because with Glover is gone on D. On offense, Fabini was hurt for half the year last year and Adams was hurt as well. Is Adams even coming back? The Cowboys are putting a lot of hope in key lineman returning from injury or filling the gaps with unprovens.

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[quote=BrudLee]D'BOYZ-

I will agree that you guys had a good draft, and your LB corps should be improved. My only caution is that when you rely on a rookie for immediate impact - and Carpenter really does need to be that guy for you guys - you take a big chance. Most rookies don't get a chance to impact the game in their first year - even in a more instictual position like LB. If Carpenter isn't the impact guy you expect, it will adversely affect the whole defense (one of the curses of the 3-4 is that it requires that LB group to shine, or everyone around them suffers.)

Can we at least agree that the Eagles are in for a long year?[/quote]

yes we can agree the Eagles are in for a long year they have a 2003 team but they aren't facing 2003 division competition I just can see them at the top as they used to.

I agree we can't relly on rookies but remmember last year dallas played 3 rookies at defense (canty,spears, ware) having great result with all of them and they also played 2 first year starters (B.James, K.Davis) 1 becomening a cornerstone of the LB and the other doing a decent job at FS, all thsi players showed tha ttehy could handle the presure of being first year started and even though they made some rookie mistakes they still produced a verry good defense a better 1 that most expected.

Now they are all i nthe second year and Carpenter shows a lot more knowledge and maturity than most rookies it's not like Ware last year that had to learn a new position all together.

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[quote=warriorzpath]The cowboys, giants, and eagles may be formidable, but they all seem to be missing something. The cowboys are missing a leader especially on offense and don't have much of a running game. The giants are overhyped as a team and still have an inconsistent passing game. The eagles are still trying to recover from T.O. and the loss of Brad Childress may also affect them.[/quote]


wow man you can say Dallas has problems with the Oline and at safety as you guys also have some holes and "?" but to say they lack a leader that's just nuts so Bledsoe isn't a leader and all those come from behind games last year who did that?.

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[quote=D'BOYZ]wow man you can say Dallas has problems with the Oline and at safety as you guys also have some holes and "?" but to say they lack a leader that's just nuts so Bledsoe isn't a leader and all those come from behind games last year who did that?.[/quote]

Are you asking me if I think Bledsoe is a leader ? I think Hellz-no - but see that's just what I think, no need to get TO'd up about anything. :)

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[quote=D'BOYZ]wow man you can say Dallas has problems with the Oline and at safety as you guys also have some holes and "?" but to say they lack a leader that's just nuts so Bledsoe isn't a leader and all those come from behind games last year who did that?.[/quote]

See I may have a bad memory or just plain tunnel-vision, but the only come from behind game that I remember seeing the cowboys being involved in was Santana Moss burning them for 2 long tds in the heart of cowboys land.

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[quote=Manusky91]D'Boyz, The reason I said that about your line is because with Glover is gone on D. On offense, Fabini was hurt for half the year last year and Adams was hurt as well. Is Adams even coming back? The Cowboys are putting a lot of hope in key lineman returning from injury or filling the gaps with unprovens.[/quote]

But Glover doesn't help or function in this defense that's why your statement doesn't apply his great as a 4-3 tackle not a 3-4. and yeah adams is comming back will have to waith untill trainning camp to see how good the Oline is and how well they can play together.

Believe me it's our mayor "?" we all just don't know who the'll play but they'll sure be better than last year once Adams went down hey any line is better than what we had last year.

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[quote=warriorzpath]See I may have a bad memory or just plain tunnel-vision, but the only come from behind game that I remember seeing the cowboys being involved in was Santana Moss burning them for 2 long tds in the heart of cowboys land.[/quote]

well yeah you have

there's SD,SF,almost Oakland drop ball in the endzone, Car, KC, NYG, PHI.

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[quote=D'BOYZ]well yeah you have

there's SD,SF,almost Oakland drop ball in the endzone, Car, KC, NYG, PHI.[/quote]

Wow that's impressive - including the Oakland loss/almost come from behind/still a loss. You were itching to use that comeback thing weren't you. Good job.

Too bad Bledsoe couldn't lead the patriots to a superbowl victory and watched on the sideline while someone else did. One from the opposing team and once from his own team's bench. And too bad he couldn't lead himself to comeback from losing his starting spot to a low draft choice in his second year.

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[quote=D'BOYZ]wow man you can say Dallas has problems with the Oline and at safety as you guys also have some holes and "?" but to say they lack a leader that's just nuts so Bledsoe isn't a leader and all those come from behind games last year who did that?.[/quote]

Maybe the cowboys have the ability to lead a horse to water like TO to Dallas. But I think in this case, it's more of leading an ass to water/Dallas.