More signs the world is coming to an end (Peter King news)
 

Last week, Peter King said his mind was open to the idea of Art Monk entering the Hall.

This week (specifically [URL="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/peter_king/06/20/mmqbte.draft.redux/index.html"]here[/URL]) he said the following flattering things about the Redskins - emphasis mine:

[QUOTE]PLAY JASON CAMPBELL. NOW. From Charles of Birmingham, Ala.: "What do you think the Redskins should do concerning Jason Campbell? He clearly has talent but it seems they don't want to give him legitimate snaps.''

Well, you know Joe Gibbs is a veteran-loving guy. But he picked Campbell in the first round for a reason -- he loves the kid's potential. I do too. [I]I remember sitting in Phil Simms' office in northern New Jersey 16 months ago looking at the quarterbacks in the 2005 draft. And I remember thinking: Campbell's the best guy out there.[/I] If I were Gibbs, I would give him an equal shot in training camp. I don't think that's going to happen. I think Mark Brunell will have to be a C-minus quarterback this summer for Campbell to get a real shot to play early in the season.
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Since Alex Smith and Aaron Rodgers were supposed to be dueling for the top pick, that's rare praise. Perhaps revisionist history, but I'll take my love where I can get it (which may be why my marriage works so well).

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I kind of feel like this gives Peter King an out if the Skins offense isn't doing that well during the season; he can say, "see, I said all the way back in June that Campbell should be playing more." Maybe King has just jaded me that badly though.

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If Mark Brunell plays the way he did through week 14 (or whenever the second Giants game was -- before he was injured) then we won't need Jason Campbell just yet.

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I remember Campbell getting alot of pre-draft praise from other guys too, I think Pasta Belly might be one of them.

Personally I like that they're bringing him along slowly. You can see the coaching staff making a real effort to make sure his fundamentals are sound and that he's 110% prepared mentally. They don't want to rush him or let him develop any bad habits. He's going to see alot of work during the preseason, we should really have a good idea of how he's progressing by the end of August.

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Listening to the Brian Mitchell show and an interview with Darryl Green a minute ago. He said he would not go against Joe Gibbs conservative wish's by assessing the 2006 to high. He comprimised and said they "are a Super Bowl caliber team". BM told him about the media in general picking the skins to be third in the division. He was stunned! His response was WTF, did we not kick Dallas ass twice last year, and the others who will be owning us in the up coming season? How do you get third from that? He then reinforced it with "and look who we picked up in the offseason" (players and coach's). he was highly insulted at that.................so am I. For those of you responding, I am purely the ad hominem argumentum

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I love the idea of bringing Campbell along slowly, too, since we don't need him quite yet. Look at Carson Palmer, sitting a whole season was great for him, whereas it may have ruined Kyle Boller forever (don't bring up Peyton because he's the exception). I do wish Campbell got some playing time last year, but we were never really in a position to put him in a real game.

By the way Matty, almost didn't recognize you with that snazzy new avatar.

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From King's Post - 2005 Draft Column in the "10 things I think I think" section:

"3. I think, when history judges this draft, one of the best five players in it will be Auburn quarterback Jason Campbell, who went to Washington at No. 24. That isn't to say Washington did a smart thing, paying a ransom for the pick -- particularly when it already has another quarterback there who's good enough to win with and considering Joe Gibbs will be at some racetrack by the time Campbell is an experienced starter. I'm just commenting on the quality of the player. He's good."

[url]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/peter_king/04/25/mmqb.draft/3.html[/url]

King hyped Campbell before the draft and said he was going to be a steal for someone. He just thought we paid too much (see my signature below). Given where we finished and the first rounder we gave up, I will be more than satisfied if JC ends up being one of the top players from his draft and our franchise QB for the next 10 years.

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Thanks, Brian. But "universal truths''? I have none of those, except that the Dallas Cowboys will win the Super Bowl this year.

Except he said the above.

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[quote=JoeRedskin]From King's Post - 2005 Draft Column in the "10 things I think I think" section:

"3. I think, when history judges this draft, one of the best five players in it will be Auburn quarterback Jason Campbell, who went to Washington at No. 24. That isn't to say Washington did a smart thing, paying a ransom for the pick -- particularly when it already has another quarterback there who's good enough to win with and considering Joe Gibbs will be at some racetrack by the time Campbell is an experienced starter. I'm just commenting on the quality of the player. He's good."

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King hyped Campbell before the draft and said he was going to be a steal for someone. He just thought we paid too much (see my signature below). Given where we finished and the first rounder we gave up, I will be more than satisfied if JC ends up being one of the top players from his draft and our franchise QB for the next 10 years.[/quote]

So I guess Gibbs is going back to NASCAR in 2007?? LOL

I hope we've heard the end of these stupid rumors about Gibbs not fulfilling his contract. If he wins the SB again I can understand him stepping away early, but he's here for 5... at least.

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I think Gibb's is starting to have a GOOD time! He has the ULTIMATE staff in place. He will have much more fun in 2006, (providing the skins do well). He will fulfill his deal and maybe he signs new deal as President

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[quote=Mattyk72]So I guess Gibbs is going back to NASCAR in 2007?? LOL

I hope we've heard the end of these stupid rumors about Gibbs not fulfilling his contract. If he wins the SB again I can understand him stepping away early, but he's here for 5... at least.[/quote]Thats not what he said. He said that by the time Campbell is an experenced starter Gibbs will be at a race track. That is pretty true if Gibbs is only here for five years. This last statment is just common sence and he did not really say anything that 99% of the people who follow football and knows Gibbs don't already know.

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[quote=firstdown]Thats not what he said. He said that by the time Campbell is an experenced starter Gibbs will be at a race track. That is pretty true if Gibbs is only here for five years. This last statment is just common sence and he did not really say anything that 99% of the people who follow football and knows Gibbs don't already know.[/quote]

Back when he said this it was a popular thing to say Gibbs would retire early, and to me that's general feeling I get from that statement.

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I am really stoked to see what Campbell can do over the next few seasons but I wouldn't play him until it is clear he is ready. He comes accross as the kind of player that given time could be a stud but if he is rushed could be a disaster.

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why does everyone around here put so much stock in what fat ass, giant lovin, peter king thinks or writes?

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because its all we can do right now man. ITS ALL WE CAN DO!!!!

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Brunell is 36 and has played for countless years and this team for two, (as a different quarterback each time, one good, one abysmal) what's he got left to learn?? give him a quarter max every pre-season game. the rest Campbell.

um, yeah ok Brunell should develop chemistry with the new pair of receivers and whole new offensive coordinator thing blah, blah, blah. admittedly not so minor things, but man, i just want to jumpstart on Campbell now, and really see what the future of this franchise looks like.

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I agree that Peter King said experienced starter. I consider that as someone with about 3-5 years of playing experience under their belt.

Illdefined, I'm with you. I'm ready for the Campbell era. I simply do not trust Mark Brunell, when completely healthy he plays a really solid game, but the slightest knick seems to send him into 2004 mode. Gibbs doesn't have the heart (hes often too patient, in my opinion) to pull him and Brunell won't sit himself down for fear of losing his job like Ramsey did. I just don't feel Brunell can stay healthy enough to lead us to where we need to go, and I don't think we should have to rely on Campbell late in the year to win games when he hasn't hardly played before.

Hopefully I'm wrong and Brunell has another good year and stays injury free, but seeing as he can't make it through "non-contact" drills without breaking a finger, I'm a bit on edge.

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point taken, I really hope that campbell show flashes of a starting caliber quarterback, I think that if brunells play drops hopefully saunders will have the co-honeys to sit him and give jason a chance.

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[quote=JoeRedskin]From King's Post - 2005 Draft Column in the "10 things I think I think" section:

"3. I think, when history judges this draft, one of the best five players in it will be Auburn quarterback Jason Campbell, who went to Washington at No. 24. That isn't to say Washington did a smart thing, paying a ransom for the pick -- particularly when [B]it already has another quarterback there who's good enough to win with[/B] and considering Joe Gibbs will be at some racetrack by the time Campbell is an experienced starter. I'm just commenting on the quality of the player. He's good."

[URL="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/peter_king/04/25/mmqb.draft/3.html"]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/peter_king/04/25/mmqb.draft/3.html[/URL]

King hyped Campbell before the draft and said he was going to be a steal for someone. He just thought we paid too much (see my signature below). Given where we finished and the first rounder we gave up, I will be more than satisfied if JC ends up being one of the top players from his draft and our franchise QB for the next 10 years.[/quote]Hmmm. Never thought of him as a Ramsey fan.

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One of the local channels here was showing a replay of a game in 2004, Auburn vs LSU where JC tossed a game winning TD in the last couple of minutes.

I've got to say it was pretty cool to watch him and know that he's now the 'Skins future QB. I never payed much attention to him in college, but he seemed pretty poised in the pocket. Great arm, good accuracy, and he seemed to deal with the pressure from the D really well. He didn't strike me as quite as athletic as I expected or heard. I'm not saying he was like Drew Bledsoe in the pocket, but he didn't move any better than any other pocket passer. Maybe I just had a mistaken impression, but I thought he could run pretty well for some reason.

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[quote=BrudLee]Last week, Peter King said his mind was open to the idea of Art Monk entering the Hall.

This week (specifically [URL="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/peter_king/06/20/mmqbte.draft.redux/index.html"]here[/URL]) he said the following flattering things about the Redskins - emphasis mine:



Since Alex Smith and Aaron Rodgers were supposed to be dueling for the top pick, that's rare praise. Perhaps revisionist history, but I'll take my love where I can get it (which may be why my marriage works so well).[/quote]

Charles from Birmingham is an idiot. Last season, I saw Brunell play his most amazing season despite his heyday in Jax, everysingle pass he threw was on point and to perfection. In fact, I'll go on record and say he was robbed of a pro bowl appearance- but thats just a popularity contest and not an accurate reflection of whats really going on in sports. Brunell earned my respect but that was last season, I need a repeat performance. I can no longer call him fat boy or cap eater, though he does. Campbell needs to marinate for as long in this season as we can wait. I just love how when he is called he has an arsenal of toys and weapons. Not much he will have to do really. Roethliberger threw what 15 passes a game, half of which were just dump offs to the flat, he is the future. Im also upset that if the steelers season suck, I dont wanna hear any steelers fans talking about the accident b/c they were gonna get their asses handed to them anyway.

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Why people are always so ready to dump Mark Brunell is a mystery to me. If we go to a second year quarterback, we won't be likely to have a shot at winning the Super Bowl. We go backwards. Bringing Jason Campbell along slowly is the best thing for his development.

Artificially removing a highly talented veteran quarterback in Mark Brunell who lead us from being ranked about 30th in offense to I think 11th, who took us to a game away from the NFC Championship, who has such fine leadership ability and who did such great work basically having one wide receiver last year who could function at a high level - that would be a recipe for regression.

I wish people would support Mark Brunell, appreciate him for the outstanding player that he is. I believe that most Redskin fans do. Campbell's time will come - but I think not this season or next.

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I hope Brunell is healthy and ready to go for the entire season, but a cursory look at his stats don't tell the whole story of his season. While his rating was solid, and we made it to the playoffs, that rating doesn't take into accounts the 10 fumbles he had last season - of which we lost six. in the first eight games alone, he lost every fumble he had (four). To me a QB fumble in the pocket is more devestating than an interception - it's usually a sin of inaction, rather than a sin of aggression. One is forgivable, the other is harder to stomach.

That being said, I want Campbell to succeed as a Redskin QB. That means putting him in the best position to do so, not throwing him into the deep end to see if he can swim.

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i agree with the fumble part.it seems to me that he holds the ball very low in the pocket. its almost at waist level. i can think of 2 fumbles where if he would simply hold the ball up a little higher he wouldn't have fumbled.(tb game, and denver i think)

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I just thought I'd point out that bringing Campbell along slowly or "letting him marinate" as someone said is no surefire guarantee that we'll have ourselves a superstar for the next 10 years.

Some QBs thrive when they start immediately, some do well with a couple of years to warm the bench and learn. Others suck no matter when you start them. Conventional wisdom says let the rookie QB spend a couple of seasons learning before tossing him into the mix.

I'm just trying to be realistic about Campbell - I'm excited for him and I know everyone here can't wait to see him play and succeed, but we currently really know nothing of how he'll do. We could have the next Patrick Ramsey or Sage Rosenfels or Heath Shuler or who knows who else. Let's not latch on to the guy and assume that just because he's being brought along slowly that he's our savior.

Hindsight is 20-20, but if Campbell turns out to suck the balls, everyone is going to be saying we should have started him sooner and found out that he sucked sooner rather than later instead of wasting 2-3 seasons. I guess if he sucks we'll be complaining one way or another ;)

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mheisig, not ot change the sublect, but... i love your signature line

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[quote=MightyJoeGibbs]Charles from Birmingham is an idiot. Last season, I saw Brunell play his most amazing season despite his heyday in Jax, everysingle pass he threw was on point and to perfection. In fact, I'll go on record and say he was robbed of a pro bowl appearance- but thats just a popularity contest and not an accurate reflection of whats really going on in sports. Brunell earned my respect but that was last season, I need a repeat performance. I can no longer call him fat boy or cap eater, though he does. Campbell needs to marinate for as long in this season as we can wait. I just love how when he is called he has an arsenal of toys and weapons. Not much he will have to do really. Roethliberger threw what 15 passes a game, half of which were just dump offs to the flat, he is the future. Im also upset that if the steelers season suck, I dont wanna hear any steelers fans talking about the accident b/c they were gonna get their asses handed to them anyway.[/quote]

True very true. I don't want to change subjects either but I see you're from Baltimore and you're a Skins fan. Way to make the right choice !!!

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[QUOTE=dmek25]mheisig, not ot change the sublect, but... i love your signature line[/QUOTE]

Hey, thanks for the Man Love, dmek!

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hey dmek, you been drinking?

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dmek is always a very friendly cat.

Typically he and I have the good morning tradition, so I'm going to have to say a belated good afternoon due to my busy schedule today.

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theismann is the only veteran qb till brunnel came along to start at qb for gibbs.remember,jay schoder,humphries,mark rypien,and conklin all carried the clipboard around a few years before they played!!!!!!!!!

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[QUOTE=redskinsfanatic]theismann is the only veteran qb till brunnel came along to start at qb for gibbs.remember,jay schoder,humphries,mark rypien,and conklin all carried the clipboard around a few years before they played!!!!!!!!![/QUOTE]

Don't forget about Doug Williams...