Is Brunell a good quarterback?
 

Ever since we got Brunell I always thought he was an average quarterback at best. Even after this past season due to most of his touchdowns coming from dink and dunk passes to cooley and sellers. But according to this ESPN.com article by KC Joyner, Brunell is tied with Matt Hasselback as the 4th most accurate passer in the league. He has an explanation for what's an accurate pass if you can read it, but to sum it up, it's an intended pass to the reciever where the reciever can get his hands on the ball.
But after reading this article I'm starting to think maybe Brunell is possibly the answer to the playoffs by ranking 4 spots higher than Payton Manning. So now im thinking maybe it would be better if campbell doesn't play again all year and let Brunell take us as far as he can.

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Let's put it this way. If Mark Brunell plays at the top of his game this year and stays healthy we can win the Super Bowl.

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Check out some of the highlight clips from last season. When he's on, his passes are so on target it's ridiculous.

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History says it all. When he's healthy he wins way more often than he loses. When he's hurt, entirely different story. The capability is there to win it all with Brunell at the helm, you just have to keep him healthy.

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If healthy he brings accuracy, smarts, a little wiggle, and a knack for making good plays. He doesn't have a big arm and certainly doesn't make "big" plays with his feet or anything but he can manage a game and do good things. Health is his only real detriment. His arm strength was never great but it never was part of his game even when he was a top QB anyways. I'd take a healthy Brunell over probably 24-25 other QBs in the league at least.

Guys I'd take over Brunell
Manning
Brady
McNabb
Culpepper
Green
Leftwhich
Palmer

Maybe Delhomme

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I never bought into the "he's getting up there in age" complaint. There are plenty of QB's his age and older that perform at high levels. Brunell has always been a very reliable QB. Once he suffered that elbow injury in Jacksonville people were very quick to write him off. I do know he looked and played like crap his first year with us. It looks fairly evident that injuries had lot to do with it. He'll take us as far as he can assuming a moderately healthy year for both he and the offensive line.

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[quote=FRPLG]If healthy he brings accuracy, smarts, a little wiggle, and a knack for making good plays. He doesn't have a big arm and certainly doesn't make "big" plays with his feet or anything but he can manage a game and do good things. Health is his only real detriment. His arm strength was never great but it never was part of his game even when he was a top QB anyways. I'd take a healthy Brunell over probably 24-25 other QBs in the league at least.

Buys I'd take over Brunell
Manning
Brady
McNabb
Culpepper
Green
Leftwhich
Palmer

Maybe Delhomme[/quote]

Not sure I'd take Leftwich or Culpepper over Brunell. I'd probably take Hassleback over him though. Culpepper looked good when he had Moss. Not so goood w/o him. Leftwich is a good passer but still makes quite a few mistakes.

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[quote=724Skinsfan]Not sure I'd take Leftwich or Culpepper over Brunell. I'd probably take Hassleback over him though. Culpepper looked good when he had Moss. Not so goood w/o him. Leftwich is a good passer but still makes quite a few mistakes.[/quote]
I feel like Palmer (if he returns to last year's form, which I think he will) would be the perfect QB for our team. But that will never happen.

Brunell made me eat some huge crow last year b/c he was healthy. I'd love to see him stay that way.

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Brunell has great touch on those short passes that give a RB/WR/TE the ability to get YAC. (Yards after the catch) and as far as arm strength goes, take a look at some of those bombs to Moss last year and tell me what else you want! I agree with you guys, on him playing way down when injured. The coaching staff needs to do a better job of recognizing that this year if Brunell gets hurt and put in Collins or Campbell. A hurt Brunell, hurts the Skins.

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[quote=FRPLG]If healthy he brings accuracy, smarts, a little wiggle, and a knack for making good plays. He doesn't have a big arm and certainly doesn't make "big" plays with his feet or anything but he can manage a game and do good things. Health is his only real detriment. His arm strength was never great but it never was part of his game even when he was a top QB anyways. I'd take a healthy Brunell over probably 24-25 other QBs in the league at least.

Guys I'd take over Brunell
Manning
Brady
McNabb
Culpepper
Green
Leftwhich
Palmer

Maybe Delhomme[/quote]

Culpepper and Leftwhich...hell nawww, I would def take Delhomme instead

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[quote=724Skinsfan]Not sure I'd take Leftwich or Culpepper over Brunell. I'd probably take Hassleback over him though. Culpepper looked good when he had Moss. Not so goood w/o him. Leftwich is a good passer but still makes quite a few mistakes.[/quote]

I couldn't leave this one alone...

You wouldn't take Byron Leftwich over Brunell? You would [B]probably[/B] take Hasselback over him??? Let me guess, it is a tossup between Brunell and Peyton Manning.

The season needs to start soon. I am not even going to waste the energy on someone who makes statements like these.

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[quote=Duffman003]Ever since we got Brunell I always thought he was an average quarterback at best. Even after this past season due to most of his touchdowns coming from dink and dunk passes to cooley and sellers. But according to this ESPN.com article by KC Joyner, Brunell is tied with Matt Hasselback as the 4th most accurate passer in the league. He has an explanation for what's an accurate pass if you can read it, but to sum it up, it's an intended pass to the reciever where the reciever can get his hands on the ball.
But after reading this article I'm starting to think maybe Brunell is possibly the answer to the playoffs by ranking 4 spots higher than Payton Manning. So now im thinking maybe it would be better if campbell doesn't play again all year and let Brunell take us as far as he can.[/quote]I haven't read much by KC Joyner, but he seems to be able to break down football using stats really well. It's tough to translate sabremetrics to football, but if you can do so it's really helpful to look at since the game is in general so hard to figure out.

Brunell is a very accurate passer and has been his whole career. I think a lot of fans think he is close to the end in terms of what he has left physically. He's near the end of the line, but only because he will retire within the next 2 years. Most quarterbacks can play past 40 with no significant physical dropoff. I do think Brunell is starting to lose the desire to play, and has been contemplating retirement. As long as the Skins are winning, his drive and desire will not be an issue. If they are losing, it's time to move on anyway. But physically he can still run relatively well, and pass very, very well.

Forget 2004. It's over and done and there was obviously a reason that MB couldn't get anything on his passes.

I still can't believe the Jags let him go as early as they did.

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[quote=Grim21Reaper]I couldn't leave this one alone...

You wouldn't take Byron Leftwich over Brunell? You would [B]probably[/B] take Hasselback over him??? Let me guess, it is a tossup between Brunell and Peyton Manning.

The season needs to start soon. I am not even going to waste the energy on someone who makes statements like these.[/quote]You [I]would[/I] take Byron Leftwich over Brunell? Obviously Byron has a lot of career ahead of him, but if you had to pick one to roll with this year, you'd take Byron? That's interesting.

Here are some guys I think could QB the 2006 Redskins better than Brunell:
Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
Carson Palmer
Ben Roethlisberger
Matt Hasselbeck
Marc Bulger

Other guys that could QB this team about as well as Brunell:
Trent Green
Brad Johnson
Jake Delhomme
Eli Manning
Kurt Warner
Steve McNair

There's going to be a dropoff after that. Guys who didnt make this list could be bad game managers, or products of system or whatever. Doesn't mean I think poorly of them as QBs. Just wouldn't want to see them on the Skins.

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Leftwich isnt worthy of being compared to Brunell. He cant even fill his shoes. Hes a shoe sniffer. Byron may not even play long enough to surpass Brunells Jax records.

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One last point with the injuries. We have no idea how bad Brunell was hurt in 2004 or at the end of last year. I personally believe it was real serious, and that he tried to tough it out. I don't think it's the kind of thing that will happen again easily. MB may get dinged up a bit this year, but to affect his performance like it did last year, I just can't help but think it was probably far more serious of a knee injury than disclosed. Bruised kneecap or maybe a sprained ligament or something.

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Fox sports put out the 9 players that could influence the league the most next year.

[url]http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5781908[/url]

[quote]6. Mark Brunell, quarterback, Redskins
In the first half of the 2005 season, the Redskins lefty was among the NFL's more efficient quarterbacks. In the second half of the season, he was an eye sore. Brunell's play down the stretch was rather abysmal.

And the oft-injured quarterback missed a portion of mini-camp in 2006 after fracturing a finger on his throwing hand.

Washington is loaded with offensive talent after adding Brandon Lloyd and Antwaan Randle El to Santana Moss, Clinton Portis, Chris Cooley, and a sturdy starting five on the offensive line. And the most significant pickup Washington made this off-season was bringing Al Saunders on board to calls plays.

If Brunell can execute the Saunders playbook, the Redskins are a Super Bowl threat. If he can't keep himself on the field, they aren't a playoff team. (For the record, I love Jason Campbell's upside, but he might have to go through some growing pains if forced to play).
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brunell is slightly above average. when he's healthy he can throw deep well (even though his arm isn't amazing), and we got a guy that's pretty good at catching deep too, so...

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who the hell would take leftwich over brunell. has been injured at college, and still hasnt played a season without getting hurt. i wouldnt take rothlesberger, either. i think a good young quarterback that is a product of a system. the steelers will be interesting this year without the bus. who is going to run the ball, duce? thats funny just thinking about it

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[quote=Grim21Reaper]I couldn't leave this one alone...

You wouldn't take Byron Leftwich over Brunell? You would [B]probably[/B] take Hasselback over him??? Let me guess, it is a tossup between Brunell and Peyton Manning.

The season needs to start soon. I am not even going to waste the energy on someone who makes statements like these.[/quote]

Glad your so energy efficient! The word "probably" can be a confusing one indeed. I don't see a huge gap between the performance of Brunell versus Hassleback, especially last year. Mark had very comparable stats ([url]www.nfl.com[/url] is decent resource) even though he had a tougher strength of schedule, an injury, a ProBowl caliber lineman that went down with injury and only one wideout option. Matt had ...um...errr...well none of these problems. Having said all that, I still would [B]probably[/B] take Matt over Mark just like I would [B]probably[/B] wear a jacket outside when it's particularly cold.

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[quote=Grim21Reaper]I couldn't leave this one alone...

You wouldn't take Byron Leftwich over Brunell? You would [B]probably[/B] take Hasselback over him??? Let me guess, it is a tossup between Brunell and Peyton Manning.

The season needs to start soon. I am not even going to waste the energy on someone who makes statements like these.[/quote]

I gotta hit you for this one, because I am the type that wastes energy on someone who makes statements like the one you just made.

What is so great about Byron Leftwich at this stage of his career? Maybe you were suggesting that we're better off with Byron Leftwich for the long haul than we are with Mark Brunell, and that I could understand. But I have no idea why that kind of thinking even enters the equation when our QB of the future is already sitting on our bench.

Look at last year's performance:
They both had completion % of 57%.
Brunell's QB rating was 86, Leftwich's was 89, about the same.
Brunell fumbled 10 times in 16 games, Leftwich fumbled 8 times in 11 games.
Interception/TD ratio was similar, Brunell was 23/10 and Leftwich was 15/5.

Their performance seems the same to me. And don't forget, Leftwich is coming off a broken ankle. It will likely be fine, but wouldn't you rather have Randy Thomas coming into this season without having to recover from a broken leg? I'd take Brunell for this season. He's not coming off major injury, he's got more experience, and he produces just like Leftwich.

I just don't get how you can suggest that you'd take Leftwich in a heartbeat over Brunell. The only way it makes sense is if you're taking him for the long haul.

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Here'sthe real question:
Is he any better than JoeTheisman, Doug Williams, or Mark Rypein?
3 avergae qb's, one awesome coach, 3 Superbowl victories.

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Leftwich hasn't done jack, so yes I would take MB over him.

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[QUOTE=FaithfulFan]Here'sthe real question:
Is he any better than JoeTheisman, Doug Williams, or Mark Rypein?
3 avergae qb's, one awesome coach, 3 Superbowl victories.[/QUOTE]

Thank you, you hit it on the head. Gibbs wins Super Bowls, Qbs just play in them.

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[quote=dmek25] i wouldnt take rothlesberger, either. i think a good young quarterback that is a product of a system. the steelers will be interesting this year without the bus. who is going to run the ball, duce? thats funny just thinking about it[/quote]
A product of what system? What is so great about the Steelers offensive system? Remember how bad Maddox and Batch were in it last year? I know he didn't have to throw the ball that much, but he still played great, especially in the playoffs. Now he's going into his third year....I would love to have Roethlisberger.

And Willie Parker is going to run the ball...he got over 1200 yards last year

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[quote=wilsowilso]Let's put it this way. If Mark Brunell plays at the top of his game this year and stays healthy we can win the Super Bowl.[/quote]

hehehehehehehehe , "IF"..is a big if.:smashfrea

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hey steveo, remember how good a scrub like tommy maddox looked for the steelers before he got hurt? and willie parker had 1200 yards mainly running on the edge of the field. bettis got all of the tough yards between the tackles(where games are won) who gets those yards now? if parker stays on the field the entire game now he doesnt finish the season healthy

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i would trade 5 brunells for brett farve ;)

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[quote=Frost]i would trade 5 brunells for brett farve ;)[/quote]

Me too. I'd trade 2eli's!:food-smil

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Brunell sucks, we should get Ramsey.

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[quote=hooskins]Brunell sucks, we should get Ramsey.[/quote]We haven't had a Ramsey thread in a few days. Who's up for one?

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[quote=dmek25]hey steveo, remember how good a scrub like tommy maddox looked for the steelers before he got hurt? and willie parker had 1200 yards mainly running on the edge of the field. bettis got all of the tough yards between the tackles(where games are won) who gets those yards now? if parker stays on the field the entire game now he doesnt finish the season healthy[/quote]
Maddox had one good year in 2002 and he didn't even play the whole season, and he still threw 16 picks. Then he got crappier in 2003 and the steelers sucked. [URL="http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1005"]http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1005[/URL]. Then they lost Mike Mularkey as their offensive coordinator, but the system didn't change that much because they just promoted Ken Whisenhunt from being the Tight Ends coach. Maddox's last two seasons have been total crap, even though he only played a couple games each year.

Willie Parker had a lot of carries each game, so there is no way that he ran outside every play. Nobody gets 255 carries and doesn't go through the middle. They also have Verron Haynes and Duce Staley to make up for the few yards that Bettis got. They are both big backs that got more yards per carry than bettis last year.

And Roethlisberger will probably pass it more, now that he is more experienced and he has shown that he can handle it. He will have a great season...and it's not because of the system.

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well, you know how the old saying goes, only time will tell

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bettis was a nice guy, but his production was already tailing off. they still got krieder at FB and faneca at guard etc. they'll be alright. OLines/TEs/FBs are, on average, way more important than RBs (unless you've got jim brown or barry sanders).

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Brunell threw decent long balls last season, but Santana Moss had to wait for some of those passes. With all these speedy WRs we have now, I hope Brunell is able to get the ball to them on stride.

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[quote=Kevikazi]Brunell threw decent long balls last season, but Santana Moss had to wait for some of those passes. With all these speedy WRs we have now, I hope Brunell is able to get the ball to them on stride.[/quote]I noticed that too. As long as the QB gets it out over the reach of the defender, I'm happy. Let the WR do the work and score.

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[quote=FaithfulFan]Here'sthe real question:
Is he any better than JoeTheisman, Doug Williams, or Mark Rypein?
3 avergae qb's, one awesome coach, 3 Superbowl victories.[/quote]

Like I have said....I could have quarterbacked the 1992 squad with that awesome offensive line. The key is the line. Joe, Doug and Mark R had Super Bowl caliber offensive lines. Get Brunell some time to find the great recievers we have and we should do very well!!!
It should soon read like this....Joe, Doug, Mark and Mark !!!

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I'd keep Brunell over all these guys:
Ben Roethlisberger
Matt Hasselbeck
Marc Bulger
Brad Johnson
Jake Delhomme
Eli Manning
Kurt Warner
Steve McNair

leaving:
Tom Brady
Trent Green
Peyton Manning
Carson Palmer (healthy)

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Brunell played incredibly last season when he was healthy and his accuracy, running ability for making plays and field prowess are among the leagues best. Way smarter and field savvy than Brad Johnson and all the others.

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Yes, he's just swell!

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[quote=Luxorreb]Brunell played incredibly last season when he was healthy and his accuracy, running ability for making plays and field prowess are among the leagues best. Way smarter and field savvy than Brad Johnson and all the others.[/quote]

Did you watch the same games everyone else did?:nono: