Jason Campbell Mistake?
 

So the guy has one of the best accuracy ratings in SEC history and quite obviously knows how to play football so why are so many people thinking he might not pan out? He is a proven accurate passer. Accuracy is not going to be his downfall. It's all about making that adjustment to a much quicker read. It's very hard to do. He just needs some time and seasoning. Take it easy people.

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He wasn't as bad today as everyone seems to think. I didn't think any QB played particularly well. But, is it really to be expected at this point in the pre-preseason???

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even in the camps with rampant below average QB play (expected this time of year) his accuracy looked pretty good.

It's reading defences where he needs the most improvement. but week 1 we'll have a better idea of where he's at.

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i ain't got time for this shit i want ramsey back!

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[QUOTE=3rd ID SOLDIER]i ain't got time for this shit i want ramsey back![/QUOTE]

true that playa

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Ramsey back? Give the kid a chance...

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i think he was kidding.

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[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper]Ramsey back? Give the kid a chance...[/QUOTE]
Good to see you have a keen eye for spotting sarcasm.

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[quote=cpayne5]Good to see you have a keen eye for spotting sarcasm.[/quote]

Are you done changing my oil yet?

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huh?

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[QUOTE=dmek25]huh?[/QUOTE]

apparently Grim is the Tin Man

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Campbell I believe was just nervous and overly excited. Throwing balls in the dirt at the feet of recievers is just a result of wanting to perform and not settling down. I made the same mistakes when I was younger during the preseason . He just doesnt appear comfortable yet but I wouldnt write him off, it is expected that he needs time to adjust.

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I find it difficult to phantom anyone drawing serious conclusions in a negative sense about JC already. Come on guys, this is a young man who has had limited opportunities under center. He was obviously a little nervous to start which is to be expected. Let's not be so hasty to form opinions, he still has some learning to do. We'll have a chance to see more of him in the pre-season games and maybe it may be wise to sort of reserve our opinions until we see more of him on a consistent basis.

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I still think it was a big mistake getting rid of Ramsey with Brunells trouble staying healthy and Campbell being an unproven player, Collins looks horrible.

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As you know, I don't think it was a mistake to trade Ramsey. And from what I hear, he isn't exactly make us miss him with his play this summer in NY.

I think it's too early to pass any true judgement on Campbell. And I think Collins is and will continue to help the rest of the team learn Saunders' offense, though it's not all that radically different from Gibbs as I understand it.

That said however, Collins would not have been my first choice when we went out looking for a QB. Ideally, he won't take a meaningful snap this year but if we do have to go to him I would have rather had some free agent QB like a Jay Fiedler as the 2nd/3rd stringer. Or Griese, but he would have been damn expensive.

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[quote=Longtimefan]I find it difficult to phantom anyone drawing serious conclusions in a negative sense about JC already. Come on guys, this is a young man who has had limited opportunities under center. He was obviously a little nervous to start which is to be expected. Let's not be so hasty to form opinions, he still has some learning to do. We'll have a chance to see more of him in the pre-season games and maybe it may be wise to sort of reserve our opinions until we see more of him on a consistent basis.[/quote]

i don't think anyone's written him off. but if he's playing badly in the preseason, it's going to be mentioned.

Everyone should be aware that camp and preseason starts slow on offense, and one bad practice (or superstar performance against 5th stringers) shouldn't be the basis for rendering a player's true worth.

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this will be a hyped season........

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[quote=Longtimefan]I find it difficult to [B]phantom[/B] anyone drawing serious conclusions in a negative sense about JC already. Come on guys, this is a young man who has had limited opportunities under center. He was obviously a little nervous to start which is to be expected. Let's not be so hasty to form opinions, he still has some learning to do. We'll have a chance to see more of him in the pre-season games and maybe it may be wise to sort of reserve our opinions until we see more of him on a consistent basis.[/quote]

LOL, phantom. You probably meant fathom. Sorry to be the grammar guy, but that substitution struck me as funny.

Anyway, in a general response to this entire thread, it's totally normal for the defenses to be way ahead of the offenses at this point in training camp. Heck, the Skins have only been practicing for a week. It takes some time for the QBs and WRs to develop that timing they need. The best way to evaluate Campbell will be to see how he does in our 3rd and 4th preseason game when he's matched up against a first-string defense.

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JC will be our QB in the Super Bowl.
End of thread!


lol
Discuss

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I thought he looked pretty good under the conditions he was playing. He had our second string offense going up against thier first string defense. The Ravens were really bringing the heat on him and he showed how athletic he is by jumping out of the pocket and running for yardage. That caught my eye, because I forgot just how big and fast he was until I saw him at the scrimmage. He will provide a running threat that we Skins fans have never really had once he gets a little more comfortable.

I could tell that he needs more snaps under center in real game action. I think we will see him make real progress as the preseason goes on.

As to Collins, he did seem to dump the ball off quick (as I have been hearing he does a lot), but in his defense, everytime he did, our guys would run for at least 10 yards. If that is how you loosen up the defense, so be it!

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What I saw is a young man a long way from being the starter on a NFL team. So we can put the he's the guy to bed Now! He has star all over him but if we have to have him this year we a in big trouble. As for Todd C I think he could step in if neeeded!

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]LOL, phantom. You probably meant fathom. Sorry to be the grammar guy, but that substitution struck me as funny.

Anyway, in a general response to this entire thread, it's totally normal for the defenses to be way ahead of the offenses at this point in training camp. Heck, the Skins have only been practicing for a week. It takes some time for the QBs and WRs to develop that timing they need. The best way to evaluate Campbell will be to see how he does in our 3rd and 4th preseason game when he's matched up against a first-string defense.[/QUOTE]


Thanks Schneed for puting the proper touches on my grammar. You're correct I did mean fanthom, good to see you're observant.

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[QUOTE=Longtimefan]Thanks Schneed for puting the proper touches on my grammar. You're correct I did mean [B]fanthom[/B], good to see you're observant.[/QUOTE]

fanthom?....or fathom?

Sorry, couldn't resist. It was just there for the taking

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The defenses are always way ahead of the offense at this time of the year, no need to be bitter. All the teams are going through it; see CNNSI article about Parcells saying Bledsoe and offense are getting their asses handed to them so far in practice by the defense. Does that mean former Pro Bowl QB Bledsoe is also not ready for the NFL? No. Campbell is fine.
Add the fact that Campbell was working with mostly second team offense against Ravens mostly first team defense.

Campbell is learning a new system that prides itself with being voluminous, 200 new play added for each game. Let’s be realistic about our expectation for an August scrimmage.

The bitter Ramsey fans should not being throwing stones, 4th year QB Ramsey is getting beat out by Pennington (2x shoulder surgery) and rookie, that is something to get upset about.

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Give the man some playing time here...how many games has he started?....another new system he has to learn.... you guys expect him to just go in there and produce. think about what you say before you say anything. when he gets in there and on a consistant basis we will see what he's all about.

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It's way to early to draw any solid conclusions on Campbell.

I thought some of his passes in the scrimmage were absolutely beautiful. That sideline one to Jacobs where he didn't stay in bounds was just so nice, right on target, nice touch, a really well thrown ball.

Other times he looked a bit confused, but he showed some nice athleticism in the pocket. He's obviously a work in progress, but the raw talent is definitely there.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]As you know, I don't think it was a mistake to trade Ramsey. And from what I hear, he isn't exactly make us miss him with his play this summer in NY.

I think it's too early to pass any true judgement on Campbell. And I think Collins is and will continue to help the rest of the team learn Saunders' offense, though it's not all that radically different from Gibbs as I understand it.

That said however, Collins would not have been my first choice when we went out looking for a QB. Ideally, he won't take a meaningful snap this year but if we do have to go to him I would have rather had some free agent QB like a Jay Fiedler as the 2nd/3rd stringer. Or Griese, but he would have been damn expensive.[/QUOTE]


Fieldler over Ramsey? You have to be joking? Griese has no arm.

I have a bad feeling that the Ramsey trade can blow up in our face.

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[QUOTE=Defensewins]Campbell is learning a new system that prides itself with being voluminous, 200 new play added for each game. Let’s be realistic about our expectation for an August scrimmage.[/QUOTE]

From B. Lloyd's journal:

"Coach Al Saunders says we'll have anywhere from 250 to 300 plays to call in our season opener against the Vikings. WOW! I guess that explains why our playbook has more pages than the phone book."

Wow! is right

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[QUOTE=offiss]Fieldler over Ramsey? You have to be joking? Griese has no arm.

I have a bad feeling that the Ramsey trade can blow up in our face.[/QUOTE]

Ramsey wasn't going to be here. So taking him out of the equation, Fiedler has shown he can at least keep an offense moving. Collins I'm not so sure about.

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whoa...slow it down might want to pump the breaks...give the kid a chance

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Ramsey isn't even a lock to make the Jets as the #2. Sounds like that deal may blow up in the Jets' face, not ours.

Fiedler is a proven vet in this league, alot more than you can say for Ramsey at this point.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Ramsey isn't even a lock to make the Jets as the #2. Sounds like that deal may blow up in the Jets' face, not ours.

Fiedler is a proven vet in this league, alot more than you can say for Ramsey at this point.[/QUOTE]


Proven loser!

Ramsey can move a team far better than Fiedler could ever dream.

How does a 6th round pick for a young veteran QB ever blow up in your face?

It's to early to judge any QB on our staff, but not to early to judge Ramsey? The Jet coaches obviously saw something they liked or they wouldn't have extended his contract.

How do you feel about all the talk of thier rookie Clemons starting at QB? To bad Campbell hasen't been able to raise that type of controversy.

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[quote=offiss]Proven loser!

Ramsey can move a team far better than Fiedler could ever dream.

How does a 6th round pick for a young veteran QB ever blow up in your face?

It's to early to judge any QB on our staff, but not to early to judge Ramsey? The Jet coaches obviously saw something they liked or they wouldn't have extended his contract.

How do you feel about all the talk of thier rookie Clemons starting at QB? To bad Campbell hasen't been able to raise that type of controversy.[/quote]

Proven loser? Really? How do you figure Ramsey with a career W/L of 10-14 is a more proven guy than Fielder with a career W/L of 37-23??

If anyone is the loser here, it's clearly Ramsey.

As for Clemons, what sort of competition is he even facing? A rag armed Pennington? A horribly inconsistent Ramsey? Give me a break, if Clemons can't at least lock up the #2 job there he doesn't belong in this league. Campbell is trying to beat out a QB coming off a very good season in which he led his team to the playoffs. Big difference.

Ramsey received a one year extension, not exactly a huge sign of any confidence the team has in him. He can still be easily cut before this season.

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RAMSEY?!

Again?!? Ugh.

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[quote=That Guy]It's reading defences where he needs the most improvement. but week 1 we'll have a better idea of where he's at.[/quote]

Is it difficult to learn how to read defenses? It seems like it'd be better to have a guy who needs to improve on reading defenses than say his arm strength, right?

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i thought he looked good. I didnt see any starting receivers out there with him, or the line. maybe i missed it.

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[quote=Mattyk72]Proven loser? Really? How do you figure Ramsey with a career W/L of 10-14 is a more proven guy than Fielder with a career W/L of 37-23??

If anyone is the loser here, it's clearly Ramsey.

As for Clemons, what sort of competition is he even facing? A rag armed Pennington? A horribly inconsistent Ramsey? Give me a break, if Clemons can't at least lock up the #2 job there he doesn't belong in this league. Campbell is trying to beat out a QB coming off a very good season in which he led his team to the playoffs. Big difference.

Ramsey received a one year extension, not exactly a huge sign of any confidence the team has in him. He can still be easily cut before this season.[/quote]
fiedler was always on a way better team with a great defense to win the games in miami...their qb stats are similar

and idk how you could say that a 2nd round rookie qb should be out of the league if he can't lock up the second string job on the jets. Their QBs aren't that great, but they're still better than a rookie 2nd rounder

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Once again Ramsey is the teflon Don around here with some people. I don't get it, but whatever. We'll see if he can even make the Jets roster.

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[quote=Mattyk72]Proven loser? Really? How do you figure Ramsey with a career W/L of 10-14 is a more proven guy than Fielder with a career W/L of 37-23??

If anyone is the loser here, it's clearly Ramsey.


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Honestly there is nothing to counter this point, debate is finished, Fielder is better.

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[quote=hooskins]Honestly there is nothing to counter this point, debate is finished, Fielder is better.[/quote]
it takes a team to win a game, not one player