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The one positive from tonight, no injuries to any of our starting five offensive lineman.

Other than that, let's put this one in the rearview real quick and move on to next week.

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I honestly didn't think the game was that bad. The first-teamers had one bad play. Other than the play in which Brunell and Lloyd had a miscommunication which resulted in an interception and Portis' injury, I think the first-team offense looked okay. The first-team defense looked awesome.

Basically, our back-ups got totally outclassed by the Bengals back-ups. The second and third team offense linemen were God awful in run-blocking. While that makes me nervous about our depth, I'm not totally discouraged.

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I agree with SGG. I also think the Bengals added some hot fudge to the usual vanilla offenses and defense we see in the preseason and that threw the Skins off.

Overall though, I'm not freaking out. The important game will be in two weeks when the starters will play the majority of the game against New England. They don't need to win that game, just look sharp

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;203065]I honestly didn't think the game was that bad. The first-teamers had one bad play. Other than the play in which Brunell and Lloyd had a miscommunication which resulted in an interception and Portis' injury, I think the first-team offense looked okay. The first-team defense looked awesome.

Basically, our back-ups got totally outclassed by the Bengals back-ups. The second and third team offense linemen were God awful in run-blocking. While that makes me nervous about our depth, I'm not totally discouraged.[/quote]

I agree with you SGG. Our depth needs to improve though. And i was impressed with that catch Lloyd made early on. Where have you been lately SGG?

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS;203067]I agree with SGG. I also think the Bengals added some hot fudge to the usual vanilla offenses and defense we see in the preseason and that threw the Skins off.

Overall though, I'm not freaking out. The important game will be in two weeks when the starters will play the majority of the game against New England. They don't need to win that game, just look sharp[/QUOTE]

Thats a good team to start testing your starters against. Portis wont play, but if Betts is in we should be able to run most of our offense

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well next week we'll be able to kill the jets and pick off ramsey a couple times

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We had to suspend SGG for a few months for violating our substance abuse policy....he wasn't abusing any substances, and as you know that's against our policy.

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Here's the breakdown, I wouldn't worry to much about the outcome, starters play the games in the regular season, Brunell will be fine but he needs to play more in the pre-season to start to develope continuity with all the new players as well as a new offense before we kick off the season, Collins you can tell is really not anything other than a future coach who could never play the position, which means Campbell needs all the snaps he can get, we need to ware him out in the pre-season with repetition to get him comfortable and confident on this level, there is no way I want Collins first off the bench.

Our backup O-linemen are horrible!

I think we have a real player in Mcintosh.

Espy is going to supplant Jacobs you can just see it coming.

Dougherty is easily fooled out there chalk it up to lack of experience, shows good closing speed though.

Portis's comments after the game where interseting, kind of like he was sending a message to the coaches about playing him in the first pre-season game, he wasen't to happy about it.

Overall our second string O-line is so bad it's tough to evaluate the rest of the offensive players, but I am not cutting Collins any slack in that deptartment, theres a reason he's been riding the bench his entire career.

Our defense I believe is going to be top 3 this year, yes cincci completed some passes but remember Williams likes to put his guys in vulnarable type of coverages to see how they react, he evaluates through failure of worst case scenerio coverages and then picks the guys who find away to rise above [what I would call] handicap coverage schemes. He did it 2 years ago when we were all worried about our ability to stop people, but opening game it was a whole nother story.

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[QUOTE=offiss;203090]Here's the breakdown, I wouldn't worry to much about the outcome, starters play the games in the regular season, Brunell will be fine but he needs to play more in the pre-season to start to develope continuity with all the new players as well as a new offense before we kick off the season, Collins you can tell is really not anything other than a future coach who could never play the position, which means Campbell needs all the snaps he can get, we need to ware him out in the pre-season with repetition to get him comfortable and confident on this level, there is no way I want Collins first off the bench.

Our backup O-linemen are horrible!

I think we have a real player in Mcintosh.

Espy is going to supplant Jacobs you can just see it coming.

Dougherty is easily fooled out there chalk it up to lack of experience, shows good closing speed though.

Portis's comments after the game where interseting, kind of like he was sending a message to the coaches about playing him in the first pre-season game, he wasen't to happy about it.

Overall our second string O-line is so bad it's tough to evaluate the rest of the offensive players, but I am not cutting Collins any slack in that deptartment, theres a reason he's been riding the bench his entire career.

Our defense I believe is going to top 3 this year, yes cincci completed some passes but remember Williams likes to put his guys in vulnarable type of coverages to see how they react, he evaluates through failure of worst case scenerio coverages and then picks the guys who find away to rise above [what I would call] handicap coverage schemes. He did it 2 years ago when we were all worried about our ability to stop people, but opening game it was a whole nother story.[/QUOTE]

I think you're probably reading too much into Portis' comments. But otherwise, I...I....I agree with you about just about everything else! So I guess the apocalypse is upon us then.

Good point about Williams.

As for Espy, he looked good. But let's not forget about Patten

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I liked what I saw from Manuel White

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I don't take tonight's performance as any indication of what the season will look like, but you can certainly judge individual performances. Two that immediately standout:

[B]Kenny Wright.[/B] He got toasted more than I would have liked tonight. He's supposed to be an improvement over Walt Harris. If that's the best we have at the 3rd corner position, well ... Let's just hope he, like the rest of the team, had a bad night and that's all there is to it.

[B]Todd Collins.[/B] He did a masterful job at proving why he's a career backup and hasn't had any significant playing time for the last 8 years. There's no way in Hades he remains the #2 QB behind Brunell.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS;203093]I think you're probably reading too much into Portis' comments. But otherwise, I...I....I agree with you about just about everything else! So I guess the apocalypse is upon us then.

Good point about Williams.

As for Espy, he looked good. But let's not forget about Patten[/QUOTE]


I actaully did forget about him my bad.

I also liked what I saw from White as well reminded me a bit of Sellars.

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The Good:
* Nice first few plays (except for the INT and the injury to Portis).
* Espy - he is good and he has heart. At worst he should make the practice squad.
* Jason Campbell - played really well with a crappy line and not so hot running back. Nice touch on the ball and spiral.
* 1'st team Defense - No need to elaborate, you so those monsters.

The Bad
* Special team play was so so.
* Our backups are bad, maybe even pretty bad.

The Ugly
* Todd Collins - Man, he stinks. No seriously, is this guy a QB in the NFL? For someone who is suppose to know the offense he played pretty awful. I shudder at the though of him being our #2. I am in favor of elevating Campbell to #2.

p.s. I'm disapointed we didn't get to see Lumsden play.

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-- Our first team defense held Cincy's first team (yeah yeah, sans Palmer, whatever) to *minus 18 yards* of total offense. That bodes well for us.

-- Thought McCune looked very sharp. Much better than Rocky did. What a difference a year of NFL conditioning and experience makes?

-- As we've all been hoping for, Campbell looks like the man. Collins might have lost his backup job tonight.

-- For as bad as the score looked, the team stats were nearly identical... they ended up with 5 more minutes of possession and 50 yards more of offense. Considering the point swing we'd get back if Collins never takes the field, I think I can live with that :D

-- Mike Espy should definitely make the team. I like his work ethic and the way he plays hard out there. I'm tired of hearing about how good Jacobs is and then watching him bone it.

-- That Lloyd grab was silly. I got all tingly when I saw that. The INT was probably the result of Brandon running the wrong route, a casualty of a 700 page playbook, I guess. But considering how long we endured Ol' 50-50 and Lavernues and Shirley, having guys who can make catches like that alongside Santana and Randle El is extremely exciting.

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Waiting weeks for this game was long. Having a crap game with CP hurt, great. Have to wait 1 week for redemption.

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[quote=saden1;203103]The Good:
* Nice first few plays (except for the INT and the injury to Portis).
* Espy - he is good and he has heart. At worst he should make the practice squad.
* Jason Campbell - played really well with a crappy line and not so hot running back. Nice touch on the ball and spiral.
* 1'st team Defense - No need to elaborate, you so those monsters.

The Bad
* Special team play was so so.
* Our backups are bad, maybe even pretty bad.

The Ugly
* Todd Collins - Man, he stinks. No seriously, is this guy a QB in the NFL? For someone who is suppose to know the offense he played pretty awful. I shudder at the though of him being our #2. I am in favor of elevating Campbell to #2.

p.s. I'm disapointed we didn't get to see Lumsden play.[/quote]

Everything is unfolding before our eyes as the stage is set for Lumsden to be our "Rudy" and run for 2K yds.

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K.Carter how hurt is he? Is he going to beat out the other RB's on the roster? He sure did a lot of dancing around when he was in! What do you think about Carter?

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Carter didn't look that hot to me. All those plays for negative gain by dancing around will not endear him to Gibbs, that's for sure.

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I don't think Carter had much of a chance really even before he got hurt. But I really wanted him to make the team so he can talk about this:


[url=http://www.torontoist.com/archives/2006/02/half_finished.php]Torontoist: Tall Poppy Interview - Kerry Carter: NFL Running Back, Poet, Entrepreneur, Ladies Man[/url]

"My goal is to bring chivalry back to the way we communicate. I feel that it is becoming a lost art. Many people assume, certainly in the NFL, that they have money and nice cars and that’s enough, that they no longer need to use words to seduce. It’s these tangibles that de-values who they are as a person. I want to help people take it to a different level of romance, something that has been missing. I want to bring back to the past. This book is intended to help you lure your woman, to help you find the right one. Observe how a woman reacts to your words, and you will be able to see her true feelings."

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I'm willing to let it all go and get on with training camp, but still:

I was feeling extremely good for a couple of minutes, the offense rolling, Brunnell finding guys, Lloyd diving, etc. Then, in one play, it was like someone kicked me in the nuts. An interception leading to the injury of our best player. Come on! It's like someone in Dallas scripted that! Wow.

Ok I'm done. Gonna wait til Gibbs watches the film and breaks it down for me. Plus, this will remove any overconfidence!

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Maybe Joe scripted it to quash all the Super Bowl talk :)

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[QUOTE=mooby;203072]I agree with you SGG. Our depth needs to improve though. And i was impressed with that catch Lloyd made early on. Where have you been lately SGG?[/QUOTE]

I was just working at a new job and had to neglect everything in my life for a while.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;203168]I was just working at a new job and had to neglect everything in my life for a while.[/quote]

ah okay. Are you gonna be around for the season or is the job gonna take up your time?

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How great was McIntosh...when he owned that lineman and got to the RB at the line....deff shows promise!!

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[QUOTE=mooby;203186]ah okay. Are you gonna be around for the season or is the job gonna take up your time?[/QUOTE]

I am 100% back for the season and next offseason.

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I was strutting cause I picked the Bengals to win 32-3 in another thread. They only got 19, but hey you have to hand it to me, I was close. So that was cool. ;)

It's early, and it will take time for the team to come together and really find itself; once again we have made a lot of changes on one side of the ball and we need time to get into a groove on offense. The offense always takes more time to come around anyway.

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[B]DEFeNSE[/B]

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our first teamers looked just fine. our second teamers leave alot to be desired. other then jason campbell, who will probably be the back up because TODD COLLINS STINKS.been in al saunders offense for how long? he looked lost and scared too death. mcintosh, with some experience, is going to end up starting before the season is over although i thought holdman looked ok with the starters.

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1st Defense - AWESOME!!!
1st Offense - Still Learning, but looks more diversified. Should look better in a couple of weeks. We have a real #2 receiver.
backups... lots of questions still remain, but they stunk up the place. O-line pass blocking improved at end of game.
Jason Campbell - Looks better than a week ago. Showed poise and good pocket presence. Moved in the pocket well. Showed good arm strength and accuracy. I was happy with his performance given his lack of run support.

Guys... what we didn't see out there was game planning. We have the top coaches in the league and that will count when the real games start getting played. Right now they are just playing simple helment-on-helment football and seeing who can play in the NFL.

Keep the faith!

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I'll agree about the miscommuncation. It's just discouraging that most of the other great teams in the league had their starters, march down, score, and then be waving to mom after that first series. B. Lloyd made the type of play that I expect him to however. And if it wasn't for that one miscommunication, we were going to march right in there for a touchdown.

The first team defense looks unstoppable. GW had some great schemes and I'm sure they were mainly vanilla. I agree with TAFKAS in that the Bengals definitely wanted to do something for the home crowd. Two flea flickers in a preseason game? Whatever helps you sleep at night bitches.

I AM however, truly concerned about our depth at offensive line and the secondary. I did keep a close eye on Pucillo and he didn't let anyone through, so he might be a decent backup, if anything.

Rocky McIntosh is going to be a monster. Without having any help up front to stuff the blockers, he was everywhere. Holdman looked good with the first team, but Rocky is going to be far better.

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i was definitley expecting more out of kenny wright. he made henry look like an all pro. and good morning malcolm

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Good morning dmek. Did I miss something though about Wright? I saw him get burned on that corner route, but otherwise I thought he played a good game.

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Another positive, is that Brunell was spreading the ball around hit moss, cooley, and lloyd. Moss and lloyd both for big gains. Though sometimes it looked as if he threw some ducks, I think it was a safe out from getting a int and he just put it in the ground to prevent the int. I hope??

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attempts going downfield, real nice. we saw a tiny glimpse of what is to come.

also, did the skins use any motion? I mean, I don't think they had any pre-snap movement at all...that tells me we were holding A LOT back, so I'm not sorry worried about the lackluster performance.

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I'm not worried either. I'm sure the second teamers will come around though. They damn well better. I was praying for them to put Lumsden in the game when Carter acted like he was auditioning for the lead in Breakin 3 The Return of Turbo every time he touched the ball. Portis getting hurt was unfortunate but he should be fine.

TODD COLLINS SUCKS DONKEY BALLS !!!!!

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[quote=RedskinPete;203153]K.Carter how hurt is he? Is he going to beat out the other RB's on the roster? He sure did a lot of dancing around when he was in! What do you think about Carter?[/quote]

tore two ligaments in his knee and is out for the season. tuf break

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campbell looked good

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1. B. Lloyd's catch.. Damn!
2. 1st string defense looked tough
3. Taylor looks like he is going to destroy the NFC this year.
4. Campbell Campbell Campbell. The future looks bright.
5. I don't have to listen to Collinsworth again anytime soon.

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[QUOTE=gortiz;203281]

also, did the skins use any motion? I mean, I don't think they had any pre-snap movement at all...that tells me we were holding A LOT back, so I'm not sorry worried about the lackluster performance.[/QUOTE]

Nice point, goritz. No motion at all. Lots of formations, but they didn't get into that Saunders shift thing. And that is a big deal. And I agree with GoSkins that beyond a certian point, it was just helmet to helmet with no scheming out there. It's early yet!